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ttubb
07-26-2009, 12:51 PM
Early report as the group is not finished yet. I had to depart last night so I can only comment on Saturday's activities.

First, it was a great day! I think we had 24 rigs in all. Some joined up at St. Elmo on Sat while others came early.

A BIG thanks to Groucho (Nathaniel) for excellent leadership and commentary on the history and countryside. It is always a pleasure to be on one of his runs.

A second big thanks to the experienced folks (Cheeseman, Rover67 and several others) who assisted in a recovery that could have been very serious. I will let others brief you on this as I was up front and did not see what happened first hand. We all need to appreciate the value of these experienced folks in our group. :cheers:

We had a wonderful pot luck dinner at camp, again with more food than we could possibly eat. And Barb Miller made her famous dutch oven cherry cobler. I proposed shortly after tasting my first bite, out of earshot of Bruce.

Great group and a fun time. I will post a few more pics. Thanks again to all. Terry

subzali
07-26-2009, 08:32 PM
Don't know how to convey the awesomeness of the weekend! Jacki and I had a great time, always love hearing and talking to Nathaniel about the history of the areas we go to, and I want to thank everybody for being so gracious to my copilot and I am honored to have been recognized in the "public" setting around the campfire for our upcoming marriage and also for the little influence I had on the route that was chosen this year! Also want to thank Tim Nakari for keeping a cool head the whole day, from half hanging off a loose rock ledge :eek: (serious :eek:) to helping us find our way out of the labyrinthian trail system we got ourselves into while trying to find the "back way" into the campground on Saturday. Thanks to Marco for taking leadership when it was needed, and for shepherding a group of trucks over Hancock Pass back to St. Elmo today. Thank you Treeroot for the amazing pasta you cooked up Saturday night, it was amazing. And thank you to the Millers for putting on an outstanding run yet again!

farnhamstj
07-26-2009, 09:14 PM
We had a great time and can't wait to see everyone again soon. Thanks to all there for such a good atmospere. I got a kick out of all the different routes used to arrive and depart the event. 2m allowed us to communicate well. Last year's GTR convinced us we needed to go HAM. I'm glad I have, mostly so I don't miss out on Nathaniel's historic snipits. I'm happy that the kids are such a big part of this event.

nakman
07-26-2009, 09:21 PM
Awesome run, thanks again Groucho & family for all the efforts at setup. And special thanks to Marco, Subzali, Jacket, Jethro, Perry, Corsair & family, PhatFJ, Chris, Cheeseman, and I'm sorry anyone else who pitched in that I may have been too busy to recognize... :o we absolutely owned that recovery effort- I never once doubted our success. Next time I do Tomichi I'm going to hug the bank a little more on that loose part.. :eek:


And you know, the extra credit "get lost" run on Saturday afternoon was a ton of fun when you think about, I'd do that one again. Lots of pics, but here are a few highlights of a couple of you guys...

edit: and one video of Terry on one of the many gorgeous sections of the Saturday afternoon "shortcut" back to camp run.. link (http://www.risingsun4x4club.org/uploads/nakman/terry_gtr.AVI).

Groucho
07-26-2009, 09:29 PM
I will post an "official" trip report tomorrow. Right now just want to relax after a great weekend.
Here are a couple of teaser shots to spark everyone's interest...

Groucho
07-26-2009, 09:32 PM
OK. 5 more and that's it tonight.

bh4rnnr
07-26-2009, 10:00 PM
Wow, that's all I can say for this years run. I'll start my own picture thread but here are a few.

Marco, your becoming a valuable asset to the club. Always fun to hang out with you, Allison and Mead. Sorry I bailed on dinner.

Thank you everybody for making this run what it is. Something I very much look forward to every year. And Thank you Nathaniel, Terry and others for putting up with me.

See you guys next year, same time and place:beer::beer:

rover67
07-26-2009, 10:08 PM
Just got back and all unloaded!

Allison, Mead, and I had a wonderfull time this weekend with a great group. Thanks to Nathaniel and the others who set everything up (and tore down), it was quite a site we had all to ourselves. I have to say it was very nice to roll in friday night and have a nice campfire waiting :) .

Saturday was a great day even though the trip up Tomichi got a little exciting. Thanks to everybody who helped get Tim's truck back on the road. I have to say that one of the big reasons I love wheeling with the folks in this club is that everybody knows how to keep situations like that from getting worse... and I've learned a ton from everybody.

Driving through those Aspen groves on the "extra credit" portion after Tomichi was super gorgeous and relaxing, and finally getting into camp with a big potluck waiting after the long day just put the icing on the cake!

We had a blast today exploring the Alping Tunnel area, seeing a piece of history that well preserved was a real treat.

Unfortunatly we did not bring a camera this time so we don't have any pictures to add :(

Thanks again to everybody for a heck of a trip!

wesintl
07-26-2009, 10:14 PM
Thanks Again Nathaniel and Andrea!

We'll be back next year! I didn't get many pics but here's our parting shot.

bh4rnnr
07-26-2009, 10:26 PM
Thanks Again Nathaniel and Andrea!

We'll be back next year! I didn't get many pics but here's our parting shot.

Wes, :bowdown::bowdown::bowdown::cool:

:beer::beer:

wesintl
07-26-2009, 10:40 PM
Don't worry, I have one for you too... LOL

So long perry ;)

FJBRADY
07-27-2009, 08:30 AM
Looks like everyone had a great time......great pictures, thanks for sharing.

Nakman, good to see everything turnout alright......I think we all have been in the gentle hands of the Cheeseman:hill:

Ttubb....good to see the Marmot back out on the trail!

ttubb
07-27-2009, 09:29 AM
Looks like everyone had a great time......great pictures, thanks for sharing.

Nakman, good to see everything turnout alright......I think we all have been in the gentle hands of the Cheeseman:hill:

Ttubb....good to see the Marmot back out on the trail!

The namesake came out to greet us on Hancock Pass. Still sporting the "owie" but soon to be repaired. Missed you on the run. We need more 40s. Terry

ttubb
07-27-2009, 09:58 AM
I just could not resist this one.....:D

subzali
07-27-2009, 10:00 AM
Here is a picture near the end of the recovery...

FJBRADY
07-27-2009, 10:01 AM
I just could not resist this one.....:D

That's a great sign!!!!!

nuclearlemon
07-27-2009, 11:00 AM
how'd he get off to the side like that?

nakman
07-27-2009, 11:45 AM
how'd he get off to the side like that?

Something slipped below, there were quite a few loose rocks, etc. I was probably a touch too far right to begin with too, hard to say. I think all the rain could have made that scree field looser than normal, the stuff on the edge was dang loose though, to say the least. Anyway after a small bump suddenly my line was a foot or so to the right from where it used to be, so in about one second I went from all is stable to slipping on the edge and getting worse, so my choices were crank it left and gas it, turn right and attempt to drive down & be the new tail gunner, or just stop & ask for help. I chose option 3..

Uncle Ben
07-27-2009, 01:00 PM
Something slipped below, there were quite a few loose rocks, etc. I was probably a touch too far right to begin with too, hard to say. I think all the rain could have made that scree field looser than normal, the stuff on the edge was dang loose though, to say the least. Anyway after a small bump suddenly my line was a foot or so to the right from where it used to be, so in about one second I went from all is stable to slipping on the edge and getting worse, so my choices were crank it left and gas it, turn right and attempt to drive down & be the new tail gunner, or just stop & ask for help. I chose option 3..

Good choice! :thumb:

treerootCO
07-27-2009, 01:03 PM
Awesome trip! Thank you everyone.

Special thanks to Cheeseman, Jill, and Dad for the last night rescue efforts. Silly 80, 90 weight is for diffs...

Jacket
07-27-2009, 01:37 PM
how'd he get off to the side like that?

That picture is after quite a bit of the recovery had already been done. When we started, his front end was further down the slope than his rear. It was truly a tense situation handled extremely well by all involved. I'm pretty sure everyone involved learned something that day - I sure did.

wesintl
07-27-2009, 01:37 PM
last night rescue efforts. Silly 80, 90 weight is for diffs...

huh? do tell...

Jacket
07-27-2009, 01:38 PM
Special thanks to Cheeseman, Jill, and Dad for the last night rescue efforts. Silly 80, 90 weight is for diffs...

Details?

subzali
07-27-2009, 01:59 PM
yeah bro you can't leave us hangin'...

corsair23
07-27-2009, 02:08 PM
Anyway after a small bump suddenly my line was a foot or so to the right from where it used to be....

That small bump, was a good sized (probably 2' long x 1' wide) flat topped, but NOT flat bottomed rock that looked benign but definitely wasn't...From what I could tell you hit that full on with one or both DS tires and it booted you to the right :eek:

I tossed that sucker down the hill for you though :D, which on later consideration wasn't smart because I think I nearly took out Perry hiking below us :eek: - He mentioned not knowing anything was wrong until rocks started rolling down the hill toward him :o

nakman
07-27-2009, 02:08 PM
yeah bro you can't leave us hangin'...

Yeah no doubt... I could use something else to talk about :o.

corsair23
07-27-2009, 02:13 PM
A huge thanks to everyone for the fun but especially to the Millers for putting together and coordinating such an awesome event. Everyone had a great time that even the leaky tent the last night couldn't put a damper on :)

From the drive out on Friday and talking to Marco on the HT, to the fun wheeling on Saturday (I've mentally blocked out the recovery details :hill:), to the potluck, to watching the kids have a blast, to fun on Sunday, and the drive home and dinner Sunday night, it was a great time with great friends :thumb:

I'll post up some pics tonight...

Edit: And Nathaniel, we all really enjoyed the information about the area and the history...Tell Andrea that we don't all think you are a total geek...:lmao:

nakman
07-27-2009, 02:21 PM
That small bump, was a good sized (probably 2' long x 1' wide) flat topped, but NOT flat bottomed rock that looked benign but definitely wasn't...From what I could tell you hit that full on with one or both DS tires and it booted you to the right :eek:

I tossed that sucker down the hill for you though :D, which on later consideration wasn't smart because I think I nearly took out Perry hiking below us :eek: - He mentioned not knowing anything was wrong until rocks started rolling down the hill toward him :o

Ah ha! So I wasn't dreaming then, I knew I felt somthing. Thanks, Jeff, and thanks for making the trail a little better for the next guy. :thumb:

treerootCO
07-27-2009, 03:49 PM
I'll post pictures when I get home...

80 decided to shear off all the knuckle studs and allow the steering to part ways with the wheel bits. It was impressive but not as awesome as stealing studs from the other side and driving on the trail fix. I am hoping that when the wheel tried to leave the truck it destroyed the axle seal but I cannot figure out why there was so much 90 weight pouring out of the axle housing. I drained about a gallon out the knuckle wile trying to bolt the wheel back on.

RedCreeper
07-27-2009, 04:02 PM
As always had a great time with the club. Was even better than last year. The feast was AWSOME. Thanks Nathaniel. Awsome job as usual. Hope your lunch was good on sunday. hehe. Now i need to beat the plastic gas tank skid back to shape in time for the next run. Different with a few pounds on the roof and aired down tires. Skipped off a few more rocks than i wanted to. Oh yeah, thanks for removing the boulder that did the damage AFTER i got stuck on it.... haha. See everybody next time.

Kenny and Family

nakman
07-27-2009, 04:30 PM
I'll post pictures when I get home...

80 decided to shear off all the knuckle studs and allow the steering to part ways with the wheel bits. It was impressive but not as awesome as stealing studs from the other side and driving on the trail fix. I am hoping that when the wheel tried to leave the truck it destroyed the axle seal but I cannot figure out why there was so much 90 weight pouring out of the axle housing. I drained about a gallon out the knuckle wile trying to bolt the wheel back on.

That's just scary, Mike, where did this happen? All 4 studs broke? :eek:

treerootCO
07-27-2009, 11:21 PM
That's just scary, Mike, where did this happen? All 4 studs broke? :eek:

I didn't get any pics of before...this is after stealing studs from the other side for the trail fix. We made it off Tincup and into St. Elmo. Not sure when it failed but going into the first high speed turn, she handled like an old 40. The wheel turned and the steering didn't respond. I guess all those years driving a 40 paid off because we figured a combination of greasy road and aired down tires were to blame. When we pulled off to air up, there was a river of 90 weight flowing and parts were no longer attached. Cheeseman and Jill stuck with me until we had her on the trailer and dad came through with the GMC and trailer all the way from Denver. Big thanks to all! Could have been a very, very, bad ending if the failure occured anywhere other than where she decided to die.

added action pic of the repair...

corsair23
07-28-2009, 12:52 AM
DANG Mike!!! Glad it turned out as well as it did.

corsair23
07-28-2009, 02:45 AM
As said, it was a GREAT event :thumb: - On with the pictures :D

Looking back toward Middle Quartz - you can see FR 839 cutting across the side of the mountain (center of pic)
http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x192/corsair23/GTR%202009/GTR%202009%20RS%20Pics/MiddleQuartz.jpg


Some of the sites to see
http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x192/corsair23/GTR%202009/GTR%202009%20RS%20Pics/SherrodLoop.jpg


West Side of Hancock Pass
http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x192/corsair23/GTR%202009/GTR%202009%20RS%20Pics/WestSideofHancockPass.jpg


Marco coming up the west side of Hancock Pass....We'll come back to this picture later...
http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x192/corsair23/GTR%202009/GTR%202009%20RS%20Pics/MarcoonHancockPass.jpg


Chris and Art coming up...
http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x192/corsair23/GTR%202009/GTR%202009%20RS%20Pics/ChrisandArt.jpg


Burrito anyone? :)
http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x192/corsair23/GTR%202009/GTR%202009%20RS%20Pics/BurritoAnyone.jpg


At the top...
http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x192/corsair23/GTR%202009/GTR%202009%20RS%20Pics/HancockPass.jpg


Kids doing what they do best...Playing :thumb:
http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x192/corsair23/GTR%202009/GTR%202009%20RS%20Pics/KidsPlayingonHancockPass.jpg


Nakman took some of the kids on a lion hunt
http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x192/corsair23/GTR%202009/GTR%202009%20RS%20Pics/GoingonaLionHunt.jpg


Panorama looking north from Hancock pass
http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x192/corsair23/GTR%202009/GTR%202009%20RS%20Pics/HancockPassEastPanorama-small.jpg


Heading back down the west side of Hancock pass
http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x192/corsair23/GTR%202009/GTR%202009%20RS%20Pics/HeadingDownHancockPass.jpg


Smile!!
http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x192/corsair23/GTR%202009/GTR%202009%20RS%20Pics/NakariFamily.jpg


Looking at the west side of Tomichi Pass from Hancock Pass
http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x192/corsair23/GTR%202009/GTR%202009%20RS%20Pics/WestSideofTomichiPassfromHancockPas.jpg


If you don't know what this is then you weren't listening to Nathaniel's history lesson :D
http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x192/corsair23/GTR%202009/GTR%202009%20RS%20Pics/Boiler.jpg


Where's Perry? We'll come back to this pic too...
http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x192/corsair23/GTR%202009/GTR%202009%20RS%20Pics/WheresPerry.jpg


Tomichi 'bridge'
http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x192/corsair23/GTR%202009/GTR%202009%20RS%20Pics/TomichiBridge.jpg


Little waterfall/spring on the east side of Tomichi Pass
http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x192/corsair23/GTR%202009/GTR%202009%20RS%20Pics/Waterfall.jpg


Tomichi Cementary
http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x192/corsair23/GTR%202009/GTR%202009%20RS%20Pics/TomichiCemetary.jpg


Heading toward Black Sage Pass
http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x192/corsair23/GTR%202009/GTR%202009%20RS%20Pics/GroupHeadingtoBlackSagePass.jpg


Beginning of the back way route into Middle Quartz...Or so we believe :hill:
http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x192/corsair23/GTR%202009/GTR%202009%20RS%20Pics/Backway1.jpg


Another shot of the 'back way' - beautiful drive
http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x192/corsair23/GTR%202009/GTR%202009%20RS%20Pics/Backway2.jpg


Nathaniel explains the Alpine Tunnel turntable
http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x192/corsair23/GTR%202009/GTR%202009%20RS%20Pics/AlpineTunnelTurntable.jpg


Looking down the east side of Hancock Pass
http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x192/corsair23/GTR%202009/GTR%202009%20RS%20Pics/HancockPassEastSide.jpg


Group heading down the east side of Hancock Pass, headed for home...
http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x192/corsair23/GTR%202009/GTR%202009%20RS%20Pics/HeadingDownHancockPassEastSide.jpg


Click here (http://s182.photobucket.com/albums/x192/corsair23/GTR%202009/GTR%202009%20RS%20Pics/?albumview=slideshow) for a slideshow of these pics


Click here (http://s182.photobucket.com/albums/x192/corsair23/GTR%202009/?albumview=slideshow) for a slideshow of all my GTR '09 pics

corsair23
07-28-2009, 03:08 AM
This was a much discussed "event"...We are all VERY grateful that everything turned out as well as it did...I was extremely impressed with both Tim and Michele's 'calmness' during this, especially Michele while she climbed into the back seats to get the little ones out :thumb:

I mentioned coming back to this picture in my earlier post...The area with the red circle is where the event took place...
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In this pic, Perry is just below the area...
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What we saw coming up from behind Tim :eek:
http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x192/corsair23/GTR%202009/GTR%202009%20RS%20Pics/Nakari1.jpg


As you can see, there is pretty much nothing to strap to or winch to etc. in the area other than the one tree on the wrong side of the trail. There was a tree maybe 50 yards up the trail on the uphill side but given how loose the ground is in the area, who knows if it would have held...
http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x192/corsair23/GTR%202009/GTR%202009%20RS%20Pics/Nakari2.jpg


A better view of just how precarious it was...by this time Marco and Tim had devised a plan which included getting everyone out of Tim's truck and my truck for obvious reasons...
http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x192/corsair23/GTR%202009/GTR%202009%20RS%20Pics/Nakari3.jpg


This is last shot I took before concentrating on being a good "anchor"...In the end we moved my truck as high toward the uphill side as we could and I tried to keep Tim's rear end from sliding further down the hill while he winched his front end up to the blue FJC...As heavy as the LX is, through this Tim's truck still managed to pull my front end over to the edge...
http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x192/corsair23/GTR%202009/GTR%202009%20RS%20Pics/Nakari4.jpg


Kudos to all involved, especially Marco and Tim for coming up with the plan...I'm sure we all learned from this. It was a stressful trip the rest of the way to the top and I for one hugged the uphill side of the trail for sure...Also, no matter how easy you think the trail runs are going to be on any given day, DON'T leave your recovery gear (straps, shackles, etc.) at home. I did and I felt helpless when Tim was calling out for a strap :o

bruiser6082
07-28-2009, 10:45 AM
Stacy and I just wanted to thank everyone on the Ghost Town Run for being so welcoming to first-timers and for making this an awesome trip! You all are the best group of people we have met in a long time - and we hope to see you all again at an event in the near future. The professionalism with which this run was conducted truly impressed us.

A special thanks to Nathaniel - your leadership and history lessons made us feel that we were on a guided tour. Cheeseman and Jill - thanks for leading us safely up the trails. Thanks to Subzali - if it wasn't for your Ham communications prior to St. Elmo - we wouldn't have made it to Saturdays trail runs. And Terry - Stacy says "thanks for sharing your wine!" Again - thanks to everyone involved - see you soon.

Will post some pics soon.

-- Sean

nakman
07-28-2009, 11:03 AM
Thanks for the pics Jeff, you know like the say it never looks that bad in the picture, always feels worse in real life. Anyway that last one was the first setup.. where we got it secured enough to think about our next move. The second revision involved swapping your strap with a short treesaver, and swapping the strap on the FJ out with my winch cable. With you keeping the back end in check, several guys on a strap on the B pillar, I had the security I needed to drive/winch the front end back up off of the FJ-

One of the best things I took from my Robbie/Chris Nelson Trail Team training a few years back is the quote "don't just do something, stand there!" implying that you shouldn't rush into every recovery situation- secure the truck, get everyone safe, but unless the world is about to end think for a minute and come up with a good plan. We really did a good job at this and I'm glad it happened in a manner that everyone involved could learn something, I know I did and always do.

subzali
07-28-2009, 12:37 PM
When Jacki and I walked back down to where you guys were, I was thinking through my head how I would try and rig up your truck if it were me in charge. I thought if we could get a truck in front to be as close as possible to you so that the pull on your winch would be sideways that would probably be best. When I arrived I saw that you had done just that, plus you had secured the back end, and I knew it had taken some good, careful thinking and no over-reacting to come to that conclusion. I was very impressed with the way the recovery went.

MDH33
07-28-2009, 12:49 PM
Looks like a great run. Sorry to have missed it.

I remember that stretch on Tomichi from last year when Matt, Wes, Ige and myself ran it. We spent a few minutes with shovels leveling that section of trail before driving by. It was really loose and off camber. Here's a pic of Wes' 70 going over that stretch but in the opposite direction (http://mdhuber.smugmug.com/photos/335338367_EF4ej-XL.jpg).

cougar337
07-28-2009, 04:27 PM
My wife Christie and I rode up with Treeroot in the white FJ80 and we both had a GREAT time! Christie fell and sprained her ankle pretty bad at the top of Hancock pass but she was a trooper and made it through the rest of the trip. I have never been on this run and have always wanted to go so a big thank you to Nathaniel and the rest of the Rising Sun crew for allowing me to tag along for this one.

It was really great to meet some new faces and see see those I have met before on other runs. The pot luck was amazing as it usually is with this group and there was so much food I didn't know where to begin. Another big thanks to Cheeseman and Jill for sticking with us all the way to Denver when we were having trouble with the FJ80.

Here are some of our photos. you can click the link for the rest:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/cougar337/sets/72157621750753327/

My wife Christie, Mike (Treeroot) and myself Ian
http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j65/cougar337/DSCN1143.jpg

Lined up for the beginning of our run near St. Elmo
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http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j65/cougar337/DSCN1074.jpg

Perry getting the shots that few others get
http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j65/cougar337/DSCN1104.jpg

Subzali helping out a mountain biker with a flat tire. This is why I love this group. they are willing to help out ANYONE in need!!
http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j65/cougar337/DSCN1145.jpg

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j65/cougar337/DSCN1154.jpg

Dry Stack rock Palisades
http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j65/cougar337/DSCN1183.jpg

Williams Pass sign showing the dates it's open
http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j65/cougar337/DSCN1195.jpg

At the gate near Alpine Tunnel
http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j65/cougar337/DSCN1198.jpg

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j65/cougar337/DSCN1251.jpg

cougar337
07-28-2009, 04:27 PM
More photos:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/cougar337/sets/72157621750753327/

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j65/cougar337/DSCN1253.jpg
http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j65/cougar337/DSCN1277.jpg

Everyone at the gate near the Alpine Tunnel
http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j65/cougar337/DSCN1290.jpg
http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j65/cougar337/DSCN1292.jpg

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j65/cougar337/DSCN1302.jpg

Cheeseman at Mirror lake about to start up Tin Cup Pass
http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j65/cougar337/DSCN1305.jpg

Tin Cup is a bumpy ride!
http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j65/cougar337/DSCN1315.jpg

Treeroot and Cheeseman at the top of Tin Cup pass
http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j65/cougar337/DSCN1327.jpg

Mike working on the missing/broke studs
http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j65/cougar337/DSCN1362.jpg
http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j65/cougar337/DSCN1364.jpg
http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j65/cougar337/DSCN1367.jpg

Much more photos:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/cougar337/sets/72157621750753327/

JadeRunner
07-28-2009, 07:56 PM
Thanks for the pics Jeff, you know like the say it never looks that bad in the picture, always feels worse in real life. Anyway that last one was the first setup.. where we got it secured enough to think about our next move. The second revision involved swapping your strap with a short treesaver, and swapping the strap on the FJ out with my winch cable. With you keeping the back end in check, several guys on a strap on the B pillar, I had the security I needed to drive/winch the front end back up off of the FJ- truck, get everyone safe, but unless the world is about to end think for a minute and come up with a good plan. We really did a good job at this and I'm glad it happened in a manner that everyone involved could learn something, I know I did and always do.

I know what you mean that the pics don't do it justice. It reminds me of snow runs when people were teetering on the side of a self road. A short winch of the engine directly up onto the road is the trick. Securing the rear was a nice bonus for you guys, way to go. I was glad to hear your wife and family weren't freaked out. It's a bad feeling that could change your opinion about wheeling.

I still don't understand how Treeroot's built 80 had those issues. It just doesn't make sense.

subzali
07-28-2009, 08:12 PM
one of the things I love about Mike and I can never figure out is that no matter what seems to be happening he's got a big grin on his face and usually laughing as well. Even when his own truck is broke.

Caribou Sandstorm
07-30-2009, 09:45 AM
We had a great time also! Thanks for having us! Perry we love the poster and it is already at the framers getting a "Barn Wood" frame. Going up in my office ASAP! Thank you! A few more pics...

http://chrissandstormfj.smugmug.com/photos/606114307_9kksG-M.jpg

http://chrissandstormfj.smugmug.com/photos/606120529_GziW3-M.jpg

http://chrissandstormfj.smugmug.com/photos/606114580_sUk4f-M.jpg

http://chrissandstormfj.smugmug.com/photos/606120282_UjMT5-M.jpg

http://chrissandstormfj.smugmug.com/photos/606114822_mgHpn-M.jpg

Jethro
07-31-2009, 06:49 AM
My daughter, Kerry put her pictures up here (http://www.facebook.com/ext/share.php?sid=109567533877&h=c8_Wf&u=6adBf&ref=nf). We had a lot of fun. This is always a great run. Special thanks to Groucho. Hope you got your nose cleaned out.

Groucho
07-31-2009, 09:56 AM
OK, so I guess it is about time I get the trip report done. Here goes.

Thursday morning we loaded up the family in the 80 with our popup in tow and headed out for Pitkin and the campsite. We decided to take Thursday to head out to ensure that the campsite was available to our large group and to relax as a family before the event started.

After being very nervous that the campsite would be open, we arrived there about 4pm to find that three 5th wheel campers were already in part of the campsite. Regardless, we took the same spot we occupied last year and set up camp. The stream that ran 30 feet from our popup was beautiful, and the kids and Andrea and I had a fun time splashing around in the warm afternoon mountain air and cold mountain stream. After realizing Thursday night that we had forgotten the marshmallows at home, we decided to take a quick trip into Gunnison to get some, along with a hummingbird feeder and a couple other necessities. The campsite had several hummingbirds, and we thought the kids might enjoy watching them feed, which they did.

Shortly after our early afternoon return to the campsite, and while splashing in the stream again, Cheeseman and Jill and the Nakman family arrived at the campsite. We helped Tim and Michelle set up their popup and listened to the stories about the chatter on the 146.460 from many of the vehicles somewhere on the road to the campsite that afternoon. Pretty soon it was like a bees nest in the evening, with everyone setting up camp and getting ready to have a barleypop (or drink of their choice).

Initially the group could have been 30 rigs total, if everyone who had previously said they were going actually showed up. After our quick count at the top of Hancock pass we had 23 rigs in attendance, and if we included Neil Quigley, we met the record of 24.

On Saturday morning, we did what may be called a tradition on the GTR, we had to get up uber early (for a vacation) to head over Hancock pass to meet the group from Denver in St Elmo. We made fairly good time in awesome weather (about 50F all the way) with nar a cloud in the sky and arrived just ahead of the Denver group by 10 minutes. Since the highlights of St Elmo included the ghosts in town, the wooden sidewalk, the hummingbirds and feeding the chipmunks, everyone soon walked from our large gathering of vehicles to hit their favorite activity. We had lots of fun feeding the chipmunks, and some people mentioned that it was the first time they had actually seen them storing nuts in their cheeks. It was amazing, you could actually see the cheeks getting fatter until they went away to put them in storage.

After our visit to St Elmo, we got everyone together to start the ascent of Hancock pass, where we would meet about 12 trucks consisting of the campers who weren’t ready to get up uber early. We headed up the railroad grade, passed the oldest auto bridge in Colorado not still in use, past the Mary Murphy Mine (which had been a stop on previous GTR in this region), under the leaning mine building and on through the town site of Hancock. After Hancock, the road became more of our flavor, with more of a 4WD feel to them. We met up with the late group at Hancock pass at about 11:30, and after a brief stay at the summit, we headed down toward Tomichi Pass.

The way down Hancock to the intersection of Hancock and Tomichi was quick, with the exception of a traffic jam at the only 3 point turn on the trip. After that it seemed to be smooth sailing upwards toward Tomichi, until (albeit late) we learned that the Nakman family was clinging precariously to the loose edge of the shelf road along the east side of Tomichi pass. With that, I asked Cheeseman to make his way to the rescue location (we were already at the summit of the pass) where he could be the point man if need be, while I guided the rest of the flock not directly engaged in rescue matters who were ahead of Tim’s 80 to follow me down the pass to the lunch spot.

After a slow go down, we finally picked a wide spot in the road a gingerly parked out of the way to eat lunch while we waited anxiously to hear about the recue mission. We heard that Tim was back on terra-firma and was on his way down shortly after we stopped. When we had all had our fill of watermelon, the trip started up in earnest again, this time headed for Black Sage and Waunita passes. The roads toward these passes are paved gravel, so speed was quick. After cresting Black Sage pass, and knowing that there was a shortcut to the campsite that did not go through Pitkin, I asked Subzali if he was up for a challenge. He accepted, and soon was joined by about 5-7 rigs who were going to try and weave their way along Middle Quartz Trail to the campsite. Thr group split up, and we remained in contact until just before the main group got to Pitkin, about 4PM.

After a brief stop in Pitkin to fuel up and see the general store, we all made our way to the campsite to start cooking for the potluck. It was at this time we heard faintly on the 2M that the Middle Quartz group was lost, but willing to find their way or go back to trace our path over Waunita if need be. So we continued cooking, even through the rain that came down for about an hour.

Shortly after the rain stopped, the 2nd group started to arrive just as appetizers were ebing consumed in mass quantities. Everyone was safe and beginning their feast. We had everything from Brie and guacamole, to ribs and cherry cobbler and sushi. We had more food than we could consume and a great time was had by all (and their stomachs). Thankfully no one got sick this year.

Groucho
07-31-2009, 09:56 AM
Sunday morning started with everyone leisurely taking camp down, and three groups heading out. One group left for the Alpine Tunnel right at 10AM, followed by a second group at 10:20. A third group decided to go over Cumberland Pass and not go to the Alpine Tunnel. While getting our history lesson on the way up to the tunnel, we passed the water tanks, Woodstock (home to the avalanche that killed 13, including the boarding house owners 6 children), Sherrod loop and the palisades. These are all marvels of the area, and were wonderful to take pictures of and pass. But the best was yet to come. The Alpine Station is a greatly restored area (most of it anyway) preserved for future generations to learn about the hardships, challenges and achievements of those who came before us to open up this great country of ours.

After getting our history fill, and the start of a brisk rain, we all headed out in our own directions. Some folks took Hancock back toward Buena Vista and home, others went over Cumberland and others went back to Pitkin and over Monarch pass to home. All in all we ended up about reaching our destination all within an hour of each other.

I hope that everyone enjoyed the trip as we did, and my family would like to thank everyone for coming along our little tour of history. See you all again next year!!

cougar337
07-31-2009, 02:28 PM
My daughter, Kerry put her pictures up here (http://www.facebook.com/ext/share.php?sid=109567533877&h=c8_Wf&u=6adBf&ref=nf). We had a lot of fun. This is always a great run. Special thanks to Groucho. Hope you got your nose cleaned out.

What beautiful pictures you must tell her for me. I really like her style of photo taking and the website as a whole is very nice. We tried using Simpleviewer once and it was a little bit of a pain for us to update photos but it sure looks cool!

cougar337
07-31-2009, 02:30 PM
Trip report pt 1
Trip report pt 2


Nice report Nathaniel!!! There was so much going on it was hard to keep track, very detailed here. Thanks again for such an awesome trip and the history behind what we saw and where we were, I really enjoyed that!!

cougar337
08-12-2009, 12:12 AM
My wife Christie put up a post on our blog of this trip. Let us know what you think

http://ian-and-christie.com/2009/08/11/ghost-town-run-2009/

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j65/cougar337/I-C-GTR09-BLOG.jpg (http://ian-and-christie.com/2009/08/11/ghost-town-run-2009)

Uncle Ben
08-12-2009, 07:48 AM
Great Blog! Whole trip sounded awesome as usual! :thumb::thumb: :(

subzali
08-12-2009, 08:17 AM
To add a little bit to the "other" group taking the "shortcut" to Middle Quartz:

The trip was going well for the better part of an hour. I wouldn't call this route a shortcut, but I would call it a scenic route. It was going up through a safari-like grassy fields and meadows, up through some trees with some babbling brooks, and was just pretty in general. We were following the maps and GPS fine but we got to a point where loggers had altered/created trails and carsonite was missing at some intersections. The area didn't quite match what my map (National Geographic) showed as far as trail intersections were concerned, and the GPS wasn't helping very much either. So we decided to try and take the left fork, which should have circumvented the knob of the hill we were trying to go over and then zigzag back down the other side to the Middle Quartz campground. Well it didn't. It took us WAY left and ended up pointing us back down towards the valley from whence we had come. Finally we got to an intersection that was numbered, but I couldn't find the numbers on my map. Tim Nakari pulled out his Gazetteer and when we looked at the trails (at a much smaller scale than I would normally try to navigate by) we thought we were at such-and-such an intersection that would take us down to our desination. We started that way and came to another intersection that again had poor signage. We went left and down and ended up at a closed gate :mad:. Before we had a chance to turn around, an ATV came up from the other side of the gate and we discussed briefly where he thought he was and compared it to where we thought we were. We were still on the east side of Waunita Pass, it was discovered, and so we had to go back up to the last intersection where we had gone left, as we should have continued straight instead of turning. After a few minutes of going through the woods we came out at Waunita Pass and continued down to Pitkin.

I felt bad about the whole thing for a couple reasons:
1. I was the "leader" of the group and ended up getting us lost. I wasn't diligent with my mapping skills and didn't completely adhere to the rules you are supposed to use when navigating with a map. I think there were times I was trying to fit the terrain to where I thought I was on the map rather than let the terrain tell me where I was on the map. I also didn't use a compass like I should have to orient myself and make sure we were travelling in the right direction.
2. I also didn't have a complete map of the area; the trail we were supposed to go on was JUST on the edge of the map I had and by the time we got lost we were off of my maps so I was useless.
3. I didn't want to trust the GPS units in some of the other vehicles; because we were pretty far off of a paved road I didn't think the GPS had any idea where we were. I still think the GPS units were wrong in a couple instances, but I should have been more willing to stop and try to match what they were saying up with what the map said so that we could use two tools instead of one.

So I apologize to those who were there and had to put up with me and my stubbornness and then ended up bailing us out of the situation. While it wasn't critical at any point (we weren't low on fuel, have an injured person with us, low on food, we knew how to go back the way we came etc.) it was a wake-up call to me that it's been a few years since boy scouts and I haven't been keeping in good practice with orienteering and I need to brush up on it some more. That and maybe get a GPS unit (which I've been wanting to do anyway), learn how it works, and learn how to use it in parallel with the maps.

rover67
08-12-2009, 08:43 AM
Hey Matt, I think we all went into it knowing what we were getting into. It was an adventure.. that's what it was supposed to be :)

corsair23
08-12-2009, 10:38 AM
Hey Matt, I think we all went into it knowing what we were getting into. It was an adventure.. that's what it was supposed to be :)

x2 - The scenery was amazing and well worth the detour :D...Next year we'll have to try going to the right at the logging area and see where that takes us.

Personally it was a lot of fun for me because that is how I use to "wheel" in the old days....Just drive until I found a side road and head off on it to see where it took me :thumb:

Although next year I think I'll bring some trimming shears or something to cut back the growth...The new pinstriping doesn't look so great on a Lexus :lmao:

nakman
08-12-2009, 10:40 AM
Yeah same here, I thought the adventure was a lot of fun- we always run trails where we know where we're going, it's fun to get a little lost every now and again and have to figure your way out of it-

I think next time we should just go right instead of left way at the start of the trail.. the first decision we made. Would have put us right of that whole logging mess altogether and closer to Middle Quartz instead of back towards Waunita pass.

ttubb
08-12-2009, 11:30 AM
x4 - I had a great time, got to spend more time talking to Perry and saw some great country. You certainly do not need to apologize! :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:

bh4rnnr
08-13-2009, 09:27 PM
Matt, like others have said, dont stress. It was a great adventure and I can now cross of the list of coming to one of those gates you can get to from either end.

To be honest, i'm starting to think we made a wrong right (should have gone left at one of those intersections) hand turn higher up, but who am I kidding, last time I was on this trail it was 2am and I was riding passanger for Neil.

The trail was awesome, company spectacular, and just a grand ol time. And by the time we got to camp, the food was cookin:bowdown: