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isotel
07-28-2009, 02:25 PM
this is an Impromptu trip, the Gulches just opened back up after 8 years of closure do to the Fire. See the CLC thread below for more details/Changes, but as of now,

EDITED: we are going Sunday the 9th, Day after the Rally!
Denver guys can go the back way and meet us at the Trail Head at about 9:30

http://forum.ih8mud.com/co-colorado-land-cruisers/296254-hacket-longwater-trip-sun-aug-2nd.html#post4641638

nakman
07-28-2009, 09:48 PM
It would be very good of you all to read this email I received from Gene King. Obviously a forward...


----- Original Message -----
From: julie@predator4wd.com


To the volunteers, who donated their time and energy to trail work on July 18 and 19, thank you. With a small group of hard-working volunteers, the final work on the Teller County portions of both Longwater Gulch and Hackett Gulch was completed. On July 22, Teller County Officials and Forest Service Officials were driven over the trails to get their required approval. Teller County Officials and the Forest Service Officials gave their approval and the Teller County portions of Metberry, Hackett, and Longwater Gulches are now open. Hip, Hip, Hurray for the hard work and dedication of the volunteers.

Only the Teller County portions of these trails are now open. The Park County portions of these trails, the last portions of the trails that lead down to the Platte River, are NOT OPEN. Hackett and Longwater are open only to the Park County line. The Park County line is approximately .25 miles to .5 miles from the river. Metberry is still open to the river.

The volunteer effort to open the Park County portions of the trails will continue. The Park County Commissioners have not determined whether they will open the Park County portions of these trails. They would be opening these trails to provide access, recreation, and tourism to their county. We believe, once the Park County officials see the efforts and the maintenance provided by the volunteers, that they will want to open the remainder of the trails. The closures at the county line, although not popular with many, must be honored. We have the opportunity to show that we are committed to opening these trails. If the closures are not honored or damaged is perceived, Park County may decide against obtaining the easements necessary to open the trails. Park County must be assured that we, the off-road community, will stand behind our work and not abandon the task of maintaining the trails. Park County will not open the trails if they perceive that it will cost them labor, man hours, or money. It is a 100 percent volunteer effort that Park County will be using to open these trails. If they do not believe the volunteers are capable, they will walk away. We must police ourselves. The counties expect us to be responsible and the future of the trails depends upon it. If you see violators, take pictures, get license plate numbers or OHV numbers and report them to the Sheriff’s office. Because these trails are county easements, the County Sheriff can prosecute violators.

Opening these trails has been a very long and slow political process that has taken 100's of hours of volunteer time and years to achieve. It may be difficult to see the cable closure across the trails, but please respect the closures. With enough patience, energy, and time, we believe the trails will open down to the river.

"Character is what we do when no one is looking." - H. Jackson Brown, Jr.

There is evidence that motorcycles and ATV’s have been driving around the gates on Hackett Gulch. If you know any motorcycle riders or ATVers, that use this area, please encourage them to pass the word about the closures.

Julie Panek
Predator 4 Wheel Drive,llc




I am very grateful for all of the volunteers down there, this is really an accomplishment and something to feel proud about. thanks for the invite Trevor, but if I get out this weekend it's to do our own adopt-a-trail... but I think we'll have to do a run down there shortly. :cheers:

isotel
07-29-2009, 04:46 PM
We could push it back to make it another Pre-Rally Trip on Saturday if you guys want..

nuclearlemon
07-29-2009, 04:48 PM
ooooh,.....i like that idea! i'll trade chinaman for that.

MDH33
07-29-2009, 05:13 PM
We could push it back to make it another Pre-Rally Trip on Saturday if you guys want..

The Rally is on Saturday, trail runs on Sunday.

Convert
07-29-2009, 06:35 PM
We could push it back to make it another Pre-Rally Trip on Saturday if you guys want..

How about making it the third Rally Run on Sunday? Trev you up for leading it? It would help reduce the number of rigs on the other two.:thumb:

RicardoJM
07-29-2009, 06:37 PM
How about making it the third Rally Run on Sunday? Trev you up for leading it? It would help reduce the number of rigs on the other two.:thumb:

Would be a great thing:thumb:.

isotel
07-30-2009, 03:46 PM
this is an Impromptu trip, the Gulches just opened back up after 8 years of closure do to the Fire. See the CLC thread below for more details/Changes, but as of now, we are going Sunday the 9th, Denver guys can go the back way and meet us at the Trail Head at about 9:30

http://forum.ih8mud.com/co-colorado-land-cruisers/296254-hacket-longwater-trip-sun-aug-2nd.html#post4641638

EDIT: Date Changed to the 9th, this is the day after the Rally Meet at the Western Station in Woodland Park @ 8:30 Leaving @ 9:00

Or, Meet at the Trailhead at around 9:30

Rzeppa
07-30-2009, 05:11 PM
This is AWESOME news!

Red_Chili
07-31-2009, 09:21 AM
:(
I am on call that weekend and have to be near web access. I doubt the BlackBerry would reach cellular coverage reliably enough.

Air Randy
07-31-2009, 09:59 AM
EDIT: Date Changed to the 9th, this is the day after the Rally Meet at the Western Station in Woodland Park @ 8:30 Leaving @ 9:00

Or, Meet at the Trailhead at around 9:30

Trev,

Probably because they've been closed, there is nothing on these trails in the Traildamage.com website. What are they like compared to Chinaman's Gulch?

You guys will have to be sure and get my cage/seat work done in time so the Mule is ready to go for this. :D

Man Jerk
07-31-2009, 12:30 PM
I believe that one of our members ran it in his stockish 80 series with lockers.

I'm planning on going and have a mostly stock 1st gen 4 runner w/ rear locker.

alteredvision
08-01-2009, 11:00 AM
Are runs open to anyone, or is this just a club event, I drive a Toyota?

alteredvision
08-02-2009, 08:19 PM
I see a lot of talk about the Chinaman run on this same day, is this run not going to happen and everyone going to that run?

Rzeppa
08-02-2009, 09:44 PM
Are runs open to anyone, or is this just a club event, I drive a Toyota?

All Rising Sun runs are open to anyone, no matter what brand or whether they are a member or not. The trail leader has discretion of advising whether a vehicle is capable of the trail and waving someone off if they think they might not make it. That's a help for everyone involved.

Hackett Gulch used to be do-able in any stock Toyota 4x4, but since the fire, it may or may not be easy or harder. I have seen photos of what used to be the trail and the looked like it might be harder, but that was a couple years ago, maybe it has gotten easier since then. I haven't run that trail since the fire. Rising Sun worked hard with CUSP to help mitigate erosion in that area after the fire.

If the group needs to turn around and go back up the hill, I have done that also, and it is challenging but not too difficult, just pick your lines and make sure you have momentum when you need it.

I will be leading Bill Moore Lake Trail that day, but look forward to doing Hackett Gulch Trail again this year!

Happy cruisin'!

RicardoJM
08-03-2009, 07:18 AM
I see a lot of talk about the Chinaman run on this same day, is this run not going to happen and everyone going to that run?

There are three runs on Sunday the 9th; Hacket & Longwater (Isotel), Chinamans Gulch (Convert) and Bill Moore (Rzeppa).

alteredvision
08-03-2009, 08:37 AM
I want to do the others too, but this one seems that it might not always be around and it is the closest to me.

I'm in.

Man Jerk
08-03-2009, 10:02 AM
Should be about 45 minutes from you.

Rzeppa
08-03-2009, 05:05 PM
There are three runs on Sunday the 9th; Hacket & Longwater (Isotel), Chinamans Gulch (Convert) and Bill Moore (Rzeppa).

Interesting - Hackett and Chinaman are both around 2 hours from Denver to the Trailhead, depending on what part of town you are coming from. Bill Moore may not be super-challenging, but it is a lot closer and is always beautiful.

isotel
08-03-2009, 05:23 PM
sounds like a great trip, I guess im the un-official Trail leader, and actually ive never been on these trails (I did not have a 4x4 when they where open ;) )

Any In site would be appreciated by those who have run these trails, Its my understanding that since the Park County Portions are Not Open, its no longer a loop, so do we want to run Hackett, or Longwater. then if time permits run the other?

isotel
08-03-2009, 05:26 PM
I see a lot of talk about the Chinaman run on this same day, is this run not going to happen and everyone going to that run?

Alterdvision, We welcome anyone on our trips as long as the trail leader is ok with your vehicle, You should consider coming by a Colorado Land Cruisers Meeting, we are the TLCA Club For Colorado Springs..
www.coloradolandcruisers.org/

I hope to see you on the trail, or at a meeting! ;)

Rzeppa
08-03-2009, 05:41 PM
sounds like a great trip, I guess im the un-official Trail leader, and actually ive never been on these trails (I did not have a 4x4 when they where open ;) )

Any In site would be appreciated by those who have run these trails, Its my understanding that since the Park County Portions are Not Open, its no longer a loop, so do we want to run Hackett, or Longwater. then if time permits run the other?

When I used to run Hackett, it was do-able but tough in a stocker. Hackett Rock has traditionally been the gatekeeper and some may need to be strapped over it. There used to be a bypass but it got cabled off sometime in 2001.

One time I ran Hackett there was a broken F*rd blocking the lower portion of the trail, and we all had to turn around and go back up, just it sounds like you all will have to do. It was steep, dirty (as opposed to rocky) and had a lot of whoop dee doos which caused a j**P a lot of problems.

Longwater is similar in that the bottom portions are steep and dirty, and going up requires a fair amount of momentum in a non locked rig.

Both trails were really screwed up from erosion following the fire, so it is anyone's guess as to how they have groomed the trails or not after the erosion. I saw some photos of the lower portion of Hackett from 2003 that showed 10 foot deep gullies. I would guess they've either been bulldozed or re-routed, but some folks may need a strap over Hackett Rock and once you get down to the county line you'll obviously be needing a place to turn around and go back up.

Of the 2 trails, Hackett (used to be) the most fun, and I always enjoyed crossing the Platte river at the bottom. Unfortunately you won't be able to do that, but it should still be a fun trip. Have fun and be safe!

Convert
08-03-2009, 06:43 PM
sounds like a great trip, I guess im the un-official Trail leader, and actually ive never been on these trails (I did not have a 4x4 when they where open ;) )

Any In site would be appreciated by those who have run these trails, Its my understanding that since the Park County Portions are Not Open, its no longer a loop, so do we want to run Hackett, or Longwater. then if time permits run the other?

Trev
You are here by granted " Official Trail Leader" status. Have fun,be safe and thanks for leading :thumb:

Man Jerk
08-03-2009, 08:00 PM
CB Channel #4

If you are coming from the south, we are meeting at the Western Gas station just south of Woodland park.
Meet at 8:30, leave no later than 9am.

If you are coming from the Denver area, we will meet at the Longwater Gulch Trailhead

My cell phone # is 719-433-4658
Trevors cell phone # is 719-331-7516

We plan to be at the trailhead at 9:30 +/-.

We expect that the trail can be done by a stock vehicle in good condition. I personally am driving an IFS 4runner on 31's. This may change as these trails have been closed for many years. Please keep this in mind.

As everyone has been told, the trails no longer go all the way to the South Platte River, but end at the Park County line.

If you haven't had the opportunity to do any trails in this area, you will be able to see a small piece of the Hayman Burn Area, and the extensive damage, and the amazing recovery.

We will run Longwater Gulch, followed by Hackett Gulch.

Longwater Gulch is shown as destination B on the map

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=denver,+co&daddr=CO-85%2FUS-85+to:39.098314,-105.275388+to:hackett+gulch&geocode=%3BFRQSWgIdkBe--Q%3BFcqXVAIdBKC5-Q%3B&hl=en&mra=ls&via=1&sll=39.070979,-105.281038&sspn=0.031852,0.055189&ie=UTF8&t=p&z=9

Man Jerk
08-10-2009, 08:30 AM
Trip report
http://forum.ih8mud.com/co-colorado-land-cruisers/301022-trip-report-longwater-hackett-gulch.html