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treerootCO
08-20-2009, 12:09 PM
Purchased at the rally, zero compression on 4 and 5.

Here is what we found.

According to the PO, the engine had a new headgasket installed and it lasted a week. The gasket appeared to be covered in permatex and the head bolts must have been torqued to 200ft pounds. We are going to buy new head bolts, already have a new OEM (new design) headgasket, and will check the head and block for warpage. The third pic is a broken slipper.

60wag
08-20-2009, 12:12 PM
So the gasket has a bit of a weak spot showing but what's wrong with the timing chain guide?

treerootCO
08-20-2009, 12:13 PM
So the gasket has a bit of a weak spot showing but what's wrong with the timing chain guide?

John broke it :hill: The top of the slipper is missing.

Snowrun
08-20-2009, 12:42 PM
Treeroot should have warned me :)

corsair23
08-20-2009, 12:53 PM
So the gasket has a bit of a weak spot showing...

I see more than a bit of a weak spot...Looks like 1/2 of the cross section is missing :eek: - of course the cross section above that does appear to have a weak spot :)

60wag
08-20-2009, 01:09 PM
You mean the 80 doesn't have Siamese cylinders? :)

Snowrun
08-25-2009, 08:34 AM
Good news!!! The cylinder head wasn't warped.

Uncle Ben
08-25-2009, 08:42 AM
Good news!!! The cylinder head wasn't warped.

Nice! Now get it together and lets abuse it! ;)

Snowrun
08-26-2009, 09:21 AM
Hopefully we will have the cylinder head back on tonight. I have no way of checking if the cylinder block is warped or uneven so I am crossing my fingers. Hopefully we will have the rig running by this weekend.

treerootCO
08-26-2009, 09:47 AM
http://www.toolzone.com/acatalog/Tool_Zone_Catalog_Feeler_Gauge__Ruler__Scribe_2909.html

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PRICE:
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Use with your feeler gauges to measure head, block, flywheel straightness (warpage) for every application from small engines up to heavy-duty diesels
Made from high quality heat treated steel
1/4" thick for great stability
Precision ground to +/- 0.0002" per foot
Tough epoxy coating
Convenient hang-up hole
24" overall length

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PRICE:
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25-blade gauge measures clearances from 0.04 to 1mm
Blade sizes:0.04, 0.05, 0.06, 0.07, 0.08, 0.09, 0.10, 0.15, 0.20, 0.25, 0.30, 0.35,0.40, 0.45, 0.50, 0.55, 0.60, 0.65, 0.70, 0.75, 0.80, 0.85, 0.90, 0.95 and 1mm
Blade Lengths: 3" long

Uncle Ben
08-26-2009, 09:54 AM
http://www.toolzone.com/acatalog/Tool_Zone_Catalog_Feeler_Gauge__Ruler__Scribe_2909.html

Central Tools / Central Lighting CEN6429 Precision Straight Edge - 24" Long http://www.toolzone.com/acatalog/TN-CEN-6429.jpg (http://www.toolzone.com/acatalog/info%5fWTD%5fCEN6429%2ehtml)

PRICE:
$85.37
Use with your feeler gauges to measure head, block, flywheel straightness (warpage) for every application from small engines up to heavy-duty diesels
• Made from high quality heat treated steel
• 1/4" thick for great stability
• Precision ground to +/- 0.0002" per foot
• Tough epoxy coating
• Convenient hang-up hole
• 24" overall length

K-D Tools KD 2274 Metric Feeler Gauge http://www.toolzone.com/acatalog/noimage.jpg

PRICE:
$9.76
• 25-blade gauge measures clearances from 0.04 to 1mm
• Blade sizes:0.04, 0.05, 0.06, 0.07, 0.08, 0.09, 0.10, 0.15, 0.20, 0.25, 0.30, 0.35,0.40, 0.45, 0.50, 0.55, 0.60, 0.65, 0.70, 0.75, 0.80, 0.85, 0.90, 0.95 and 1mm
• Blade Lengths: 3" long

I think there is a hidden message here somewhere...
:lmao::thumb::)

powderpig
08-26-2009, 09:59 AM
I would measure the bolts to make sure none have been over streached. There is a section in the FSM that shows the area that is needs to be checked.
I would either borrow the straight edge or when you clean the top of the block, shot a pic to me and I will see what I can see for you. I am not that busy right now, depending on the day, I could come and look for you as well.
Just looking at the gasket, you have some problems some where that you are not sealing well. Either the block was not prepped well, or the block is etched so much, you will not seal any gasket unless you pull the block and have it decked. I have had to do this to a few engines now.

Uncle Ben
08-26-2009, 10:08 AM
I would measure the bolts to make sure none have been over streached. There is a section in the FSM that shows the area that is needs to be checked.
I would either borrow the straight edge or when you clean the top of the block, shot a pic to me and I will see what I can see for you. I am not that busy right now, depending on the day, I could come and look for you as well.
Just looking at the gasket, you have some problems some where that you are not sealing well. Either the block was not prepped well, or the block is etched so much, you will not seal any gasket unless you pull the block and have it decked. I have had to do this to a few engines now.

Just cut up a truck inner tube and slip the new HG inside and bolt it down! :eek::lmao::bolt:

powderpig
08-26-2009, 11:34 AM
I have seen stove cement being used on a 22 re once. They layed it on, leveled it the best they could. put a new HG on and bolted everything together and drove it off. Take a guess what border they drove it over?

chtucker
08-26-2009, 11:37 AM
Wow that this is clean compared to my beater... What did you pay if you don't mind me asking??

My beater was $1750 with a bad injector/radiator... but it looks like it too..

Snowrun
08-26-2009, 12:20 PM
I paid $1900. Not too bad considering it has factory lockers and the body is pretty straight. Also I have ordered all new head bolts. When we went to remove the old ones they were very over torqued.

powderpig
08-26-2009, 01:26 PM
Have you read where you need to remove the oil pans to take off the timing cover? The timing cover can be removed if you remove the two studs at the front of the oil pan. Remove the oil pump makes it easier as well, but is a must if you want o re-install the front t-cover with out removing the oil pans(IMHO).
Good luck John.

Snowrun
08-26-2009, 01:50 PM
I followed your advise and dropped by Tool Zone at lunch and picked up a Machinists straight edge and feeler gauges. Then I went home and opened the FSM for the specs and it turns the cylinder block is absolutely straight. Also was happy to find the fuel injectors waiting on the porch. I sent them out to Witch Hunter Performance for cleaning and flow testing. Their turn around time was awesome.

powderpig
08-26-2009, 02:25 PM
Something is amiss. With you head gasket looking like it does, you have two straight surfaces?
Must of been the last person to work on the truck, did not clean the surfaces?
You can see in your pic's where the HG was not sealing at the fireing ring in several places.
I am surprized at this.

Snowrun
08-26-2009, 02:44 PM
Me too. It looks like the mechanic that replaced the last head gasket used some type of sealant around the block. In fact most of the holes in the block for coolant were plugged with a silver rubbery sealant.

Snowrun
08-30-2009, 02:26 AM
The 80 is running!!!:)

nuclearlemon
08-30-2009, 08:11 AM
wooohooooo!!!!!!! now drive it like ya stole it, cause ya did!

bigbluefj
08-30-2009, 02:49 PM
YA what see said!!! LOL

treerootCO
09-01-2009, 11:28 AM
Runs, passed emissions, plated by days end.

Not bad for a $2,100 FZJ80 :thumb:

farnhamstj
09-01-2009, 11:40 AM
score!!!

simps80
09-01-2009, 04:04 PM
Runs, passed emissions, plated by days end.

Not bad for a $2,100 FZJ80 :thumb:

yea!
and the red/crimson/maroon one's not too bad either

subzali
09-01-2009, 05:07 PM
mike only wishes his 80 cost $2100! :eek: :bolt:

treerootCO
09-01-2009, 05:14 PM
yea!
and the red/crimson/maroon one's not too bad either

you can see the flags are at half mast because the red one, after all, is still a 94.

Kipper
09-01-2009, 05:36 PM
that's freakin' awesome, i love it when a plan comes together.

nuclearlemon
09-01-2009, 08:49 PM
now to wheel it....ouray is this weekend:hill:

Convert
09-01-2009, 08:53 PM
you can see the flags are at half mast because the red one, after all, is still a 94.

What is wrong with a 94? Do you want to race up I70 to wheel ? I would not trade my 93 for a newer one but then again it is not stock. Build it, enjoy it and wheel it like you stole it. OOOH yaaa you did steal it!!!:thumb:

Uncle Ben
09-01-2009, 09:58 PM
What is wrong with a 94? Do you want to race up I70 to wheel ? I would not trade my 93 for a newer one but then again it is not stock. Build it, enjoy it and wheel it like you stole it. OOOH yaaa you did steal it!!!:thumb:

I'll play! ;):D

Rock Dog
09-02-2009, 12:10 AM
Can't believe it came together that cleanly!! simply awsome!! Welcome to the red 80 club (Groucho,Convert, Sharkbait, RockDog, and now Snowrun) :D:D
As i recall that thing only has something around 160,000...


Can't wait to see it on the trails...

Snowrun
09-02-2009, 07:29 AM
Treeroot is just jealous that the 94 has a pair reed valve and his 95 doesn't.
I am really looking forward to getting it on the trail.

treerootCO
09-02-2009, 08:59 AM
Can you tun that thing off? I can't hear you over that flapping thing connected to your air cleaner. :D

We can make fun of FJ80s until Crase finds this thead. :hill: I knew Convert would.

Uncle Ben
09-02-2009, 09:29 AM
Can you tun that thing off? I can't hear you over that flapping thing connected to your air cleaner. :D

We can make fun of FJ80s until Crase finds this thead. :hill: I knew Convert would.

I think the flapper thing add inertia! ;):lmao:

treerootCO
09-02-2009, 10:54 AM
I didn't have an eagle to put on the hood so we created the Italian flag today.

Uncle Ben
09-02-2009, 03:57 PM
I didn't have an eagle to put on the hood so we created the Italian flag today.

:lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao: Took me a minute but I figured it out! :lmao:

https://www.delsearegional.us/Academic/Classes/highschool/business/daigle/Students/Amanda%20Goetschius/builds/Personal/Italian%20Restaurant/images/Italy_flag.jpg

timmbuck2
09-02-2009, 04:40 PM
and if he had an eagle......