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Jacket
08-24-2009, 08:48 PM
Just got this email from the Boulder County Clerk. Folks with cars and trucks built between 1976 and 1984 that previously qualified for collector plates will now have to renew their registration and pass emissions every year. Cars and trucks that already have the plates are grandfathered in...phew...


FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
August 24, 2009

Contact: Jessie Cornelius, Boulder County Clerk & Recorder Communications Specialist, 303-413-7766

Collector vehicles are now defined as model years 1975 and older

(Boulder County, Colo.) - A new state law that becomes effective on September 1, will require vehicles to have a model year of 1975 and older in order to be eligible to register for a “Collector Vehicle” license plate. Collector vehicles were previously defined as those 25 years and older.

Vehicles with a model year of 1976 and newer that already display “Collector Vehicle” license plates will be allowed to maintain their plate status as long as the registration is renewed on time. If the registration expires on models 1976 and newer, the vehicles will be required to pass an emissions test and will be registered with standard license plates. Additionally, if a vehicle with a model year of 1976 and newer is sold to a new owner, it will no longer qualify for the “Collector Vehicle” license plate.

The Boulder County Motor Vehicle Division has sent letters to vehicle owners who could be immediately impacted by the new law. Colorado Governor Bill Ritter signed Senate Bill 09-003 into law on June 1, which changed the definition of collector vehicles.



If you have any questions, please contact the Motor Vehicle Division at 303-413-7710 or email motorvehicle@bouldercounty.org.

-END-

Uncle Ben
08-24-2009, 08:50 PM
Just got this email from the Boulder County Clerk. Folks in Boulder County with cars and trucks built between 1976 and 1984 that previously qualified for collector plates will now have to renew their registration and pass emissions every year. Cars and trucks that already have the plates are grandfathered in...


FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
August 24, 2009

Contact: Jessie Cornelius, Boulder County Clerk & Recorder Communications Specialist, 303-413-7766

Collector vehicles are now defined as model years 1975 and older

(Boulder County, Colo.) - A new state law that becomes effective on September 1, will require vehicles to have a model year of 1975 and older in order to be eligible to register for a “Collector Vehicle” license plate. Collector vehicles were previously defined as those 25 years and older.

Vehicles with a model year of 1976 and newer that already display “Collector Vehicle” license plates will be allowed to maintain their plate status as long as the registration is renewed on time. If the registration expires on models 1976 and newer, the vehicles will be required to pass an emissions test and will be registered with standard license plates. Additionally, if a vehicle with a model year of 1976 and newer is sold to a new owner, it will no longer qualify for the “Collector Vehicle” license plate.

The Boulder County Motor Vehicle Division has sent letters to vehicle owners who could be immediately impacted by the new law. Colorado Governor Bill Ritter signed Senate Bill 09-003 into law on June 1, which changed the definition of collector vehicles.



If you have any questions, please contact the Motor Vehicle Division at 303-413-7710 or email motorvehicle@bouldercounty.org.

-END-




Ouch! And unfortunately you missed out on the Cash for clunkers program! :rant: Don't get me going........:mad:

jettaglxdriver
08-24-2009, 08:55 PM
wow so my cruiser needs these plates this week?

CardinalFJ60
08-24-2009, 09:08 PM
DO it!! It's nice to have the peace of mind with year renewals and no more tests.

rover67
08-24-2009, 09:26 PM
sucks, mine's an 85.

FJ40zen
08-24-2009, 10:15 PM
Greetings from the north.

I am not going to be all that surprised if I get the same letter from Larimer County soon. I am up in Feb 2012. Sounds better than sending us all back for emissions tests tho.

Hulk
08-24-2009, 10:46 PM
Glad I got them on my 1981 FJ40. And here I was thinking that I was already halfway home on my 1996 FZJ80. :rolleyes:

corsair23
08-24-2009, 10:49 PM
Colorado Governor Bill Ritter signed Senate Bill 09-003 into law on June 1, which changed the definition of collector vehicles.

Crikey!

http://www.leg.state.co.us/clics/clics2009a/csl.nsf/billcontainers/F2A88B9B258F49A487257537001A2FF9/$FILE/003_enr.pdf


CONCERNING THE AUTOMOBILE INSPECTION AND READJUSTMENT PROGRAM, AND, IN CONNECTION THEREWITH, EXPANDING THE ENHANCED EMISSIONS PROGRAM TO WELD AND LARIMER COUNTIES, MODIFYING THE GEOGRAPHICAL BOUNDARIES OF THE PROGRAM AREA, ALTERING CRITERIA USED TO DETERMINE WHICH COLLECTOR'S ITEMS ARE EXCLUDED FROM THE EMISSIONS TESTING PROCESS, AND MAKING AN APPROPRIATION

CardinalFJ60
08-24-2009, 11:50 PM
my 60 is an 87, and I was soooooooo close.

subzali
08-25-2009, 06:13 AM
Uh, what? Who came up with 33 years old as the cutoff date?

This is stupid. Way to ask the taxpayer what their opinion was...:mad:

Beater
08-25-2009, 06:58 AM
ok - devils advocate, (and remember - I used to run a '59 international pick up) and maybe a little to stir the pot to get people to think...

I have never seen a law that states that the vehicle has to pass standards past when that law was enacted. i.e. a vehicle in 81 has to pass 81 standards, and a vehicle from 59 has to pass standards set from that particular clean air act standard. Meaning, my 1959 pickup didn't have emissions standards to pass. However, the emissions act that covered 82 and older had vehicle cut-offs based on when epa standards were enforced at the manufacturer level for that particular age.

as an ex-cyclist, I can tell you that there is a difference between riding behind a well tuned emissions test passing pre-82 vehicle, and a bad one. no, you can't small carbon monoxide, but you sure can "smell" excess hydrocarbon.

Point?

As a vehicle enthusiast, most of use want a great running vehicle, and that means a healthy valve train, as well as carb/intake system. granted, in tuning many pre-82 cars to pass emissions, power was reduced due to a lean mixture.

The problem with having this "collectors" plate thing linked to emissions through age, is that we are getting into "collectors" status via age, and there were emissions equipment mandated on these vehicles now. The original intent of the "collectors" status wasn't meant to function just on age, however, that is how it passed.

You couldn't have expected the ride to go on forever could you? I see NO problem in a true "collector" wanting to have his vehicle registered to drive on the street (not track only or off road only) and having to have said vehicle perform or operate as the manufacturer intended or was required to outfit said vehicle to the standards set for that "manufactured in" year. You can't expect a vehicle manufactured in the epa era, where emissions tests were required, to suddenly be exempt can you?


This is a huge issue in the motorcycle world right now, as we collectively as a nation haven't had much in the way of emissions standards on motorcycles until recent years, and even then, it is only at the manufacturer level. There is a very good chance that my ducati, which runs VERY clean (tested) mind you, would be "illegal" in the near future. The problem here is that the manufacturer had no standards at the time, except for noise emissions.

the 25 year and older was written incorrectly the first time, and was short sighted.

Groucho
08-25-2009, 07:02 AM
Uh, what? Who came up with 33 years old as the cutoff date?

This is stupid. Way to ask the taxpayer what their opinion was...:mad:

They probably did, in their eyes. This is the biggest problem with big government is that there is sooooo much going on that may effect our lives, if you don 't make being a watchdog of legislation coming to pass your job, you will miss 90% of it and not even have a clue. That is why such things like BRC is so necessary. If they didn't pay someone just to watch this crap, we would already be limited to wheeling only in our cul-de-sac. My guess is that this wasn't something that they "snuck" by the taxpayer, but rather it was deliberated for a while. Because main stream news (esp in Boulder County) won't report on this type of thing or the needles eye tunnel stuff, we miss it. Then it becomes law. When you finally hear about it is when they tell you you are affected by it. Rather, what they need to be doing in cases like this,, or the late fees for paying registration late on a vehicle, is send out notices to all potentially affected people before legislation is passed so we have a chance to fight it. But they know what they are doing, and do so to get what they want. The less the taxpayers know about, the more the bureaucrats and politicians can take from them.

All in the name of "democracy". Yeah right.

jettaglxdriver
08-25-2009, 07:10 AM
This isn't just a Boulder county thing is it? I have read it to be state wide unless I missed something.

Corbet
08-25-2009, 07:17 AM
This isn't just a Boulder county thing is it? I have read it to be state wide unless I missed something.

I don't see how it could be, unless they plan to add emissions testing down here where we currently don't have any? Didn't in Summit County either. And I hope not as my FJ60 will never pass.

jettaglxdriver
08-25-2009, 07:32 AM
I didn't clarify enough. I mean the changing the classification of Collectors vehicle to 1975 being state wide.

MDH33
08-25-2009, 07:37 AM
I wouldn't sweat it too much. If my FJ60, that burns a quart of oil every 600 miles and is running on 5 cylinders can pass the aircare dyno test (just did in June) then almost any vehicle in decent running condition should be able to pass it. :hill:

jettaglxdriver
08-25-2009, 07:46 AM
How close do they look at the emissions equipment in an FJ60 in Denver here? I am pretty confident I can make my Jetta pass when running again (fully programmable stand alone engine management with a cat and O2 sensor) by leaning it out to run real clean but I don't know about the visual inspections.

Jacket
08-25-2009, 07:58 AM
This is a new state law, and not just Boulder County. I clarified my original post, but unfortunately I can't change the thread title.

I can only guess that the choice for 1975 has something to do with when vehicle makers started to implement emissions control systems and catalytic converters on vehicles?

And to be clear, anyone that already has a collector plate is grandfathered into the old law so long as the owner keeps registration renewal current. And anyone that has a vehicle built between 1976 and 1984 that does not have collector plates oughta run right down to the DMV and get signed up!

Air Randy
08-25-2009, 08:02 AM
ok - devils advocate, (and remember - I used to run a '59 international pick up) and maybe a little to stir the pot to get people to think...

I have never seen a law that states that the vehicle has to pass standards past when that law was enacted. i.e. a vehicle in 81 has to pass 81 standards, and a vehicle from 59 has to pass standards set from that particular clean air act standard. Meaning, my 1959 pickup didn't have emissions standards to pass. However, the emissions act that covered 82 and older had vehicle cut-offs based on when epa standards were enforced at the manufacturer level for that particular age.

as an ex-cyclist, I can tell you that there is a difference between riding behind a well tuned emissions test passing pre-82 vehicle, and a bad one. no, you can't small carbon monoxide, but you sure can "smell" excess hydrocarbon.

Point?

As a vehicle enthusiast, most of use want a great running vehicle, and that means a healthy valve train, as well as carb/intake system. granted, in tuning many pre-82 cars to pass emissions, power was reduced due to a lean mixture.

The problem with having this "collectors" plate thing linked to emissions through age, is that we are getting into "collectors" status via age, and there were emissions equipment mandated on these vehicles now. The original intent of the "collectors" status wasn't meant to function just on age, however, that is how it passed.

You couldn't have expected the ride to go on forever could you? I see NO problem in a true "collector" wanting to have his vehicle registered to drive on the street (not track only or off road only) and having to have said vehicle perform or operate as the manufacturer intended or was required to outfit said vehicle to the standards set for that "manufactured in" year. You can't expect a vehicle manufactured in the epa era, where emissions tests were required, to suddenly be exempt can you?


This is a huge issue in the motorcycle world right now, as we collectively as a nation haven't had much in the way of emissions standards on motorcycles until recent years, and even then, it is only at the manufacturer level. There is a very good chance that my ducati, which runs VERY clean (tested) mind you, would be "illegal" in the near future. The problem here is that the manufacturer had no standards at the time, except for noise emissions.

the 25 year and older was written incorrectly the first time, and was short sighted.

Personally, I believe this is only partially related to better emissions on vehicles, it has everything to do with budget shortfalls and trying to come up with new ways to increase revenue. Someone sat down and did the math on how many vehicles were qualifying for cheap plates via the old collector program and determined how much additional revenue the state can generate if they require regular plates to be purchased each year.

I do agree that by letting more people qualify for collector plates under the old system they realized they were giving people an incentive to keep clunkers with no emissions requirements. This way, if there is no real collectible reason to keep a vehicle, people will tend to trade them off for newer vehicles to avoid spending money on the clunker to pass emissions.

rover67
08-25-2009, 08:09 AM
How close do they look at the emissions equipment in an FJ60 in Denver here? I am pretty confident I can make my Jetta pass when running again (fully programmable stand alone engine management with a cat and O2 sensor) by leaning it out to run real clean but I don't know about the visual inspections.


When you go to pass emissions, make sure you have it tuned to be running as closely to 14.7:1 as possible. Running it leaner than that will not put enough fuel in the exhaust for the cat to work. Richer does OK, but cats (at least the normal ones) were designed to run at 14.7:1. turn the boost way down to avoid and issues and go for it.

I have no idea how the visuals work with aftermarket turbo cars here.

jettaglxdriver
08-25-2009, 08:27 AM
I do have a innovate LM1 wideband so I can tune right where I want the AF. I do know to drive it and run it a bit hot to wake the cat up also. With a simple twist of a knob I can manually adjust my richness by 1% increments.

leiniesred
08-25-2009, 08:49 AM
Aw this blows.

I was REALLY looking forward to just a couple more e-tests on my ol' 4Runner there. *sigh* I mean how many more years can I expect the original CAT to work?

That Rush song, "Red Barchetta" is sounding more and more plausible.

Beater
08-25-2009, 08:59 AM
When you go to pass emissions, make sure you have it tuned to be running as closely to 14.7:1 as possible. Running it leaner than that will not put enough fuel in the exhaust for the cat to work. Richer does OK, but cats (at least the normal ones) were designed to run at 14.7:1. turn the boost way down to avoid and issues and go for it.

I have no idea how the visuals work with aftermarket turbo cars here.

My favorite emissions test ever:

My porsche turbo was an 82, therefore it had to go the new route, the first year it started. There were only something like 2500 of my car made world wide, so it was not exactly well known. The turbo system and injection was (ahem) slightly modified and I was quite concerned on the visual inspection. I had installed boost filters, wastegate controls, different injectors, etc etc etc. I was quite confident though, due to the motronic/cis system, it would pass. Especially with the boost set to 7psi.

so anyway, I pop the hood latch and wait. The 21 yr old methed out looking dude working the line comes up with his clipboard to check it out. He can't figure out the bonnet, so I go open it with him. He immediately says: "holy sh!t" when he looks at the motor, shakes his head, closes the bonnet and marks me as a "pass". He then looks at my factory 3" exhaust, and says: "you still have a cat?" I say yes, and onto the dyno I go.

That dyno run was one of the scariest things I've witnessed. If any of you have ever driven an early porsche turbo, you know they had some lag issues, and i thought that driver was going to piss himself all over my recaro's...

jettaglxdriver
08-25-2009, 01:03 PM
Yeah if my Jetta ever gets on their dyno (2" off the road I doubt it) I will have the boost controller turned off so it makes 5psi.

nakman
08-25-2009, 01:33 PM
Personally, I believe this is only partially related to better emissions on vehicles, it has everything to do with budget shortfalls and trying to come up with new ways to increase revenue. Someone sat down and did the math on how many vehicles were qualifying for cheap plates via the old collector program and determined how much additional revenue the state can generate if they require regular plates to be purchased each year.

I'm not sure I buy that.. in fact from operating costs alone, I don't see how there's any profit at at all either the Air Care place or the DMV, particularly on older vehicles. You spend 30 minutes at the emissions place while 3 guys run around all doing their part... what's their burdened labor rate? what about the overhead of the joint? How does my $25 even cover that? They do a little better at the DMV, there may have actually been profit in that transaction for the state when I trade them $50 for some stickers... but man, not much. I would guess the motivation is more on improving air quality, and knowing that it will further burden the loser aircare establishments, and figuring they'll just increase tax elsewhere to cover the shortfall.

nuclearlemon
08-25-2009, 03:09 PM
Uh, what? Who came up with 33 years old as the cutoff date?

This is stupid. Way to ask the taxpayer what their opinion was...:mad:

76 is when fed emissions began.

nuclearlemon
08-25-2009, 03:30 PM
I have no issues with us making our cars run better. it's when they pass the sniffer but fail because they don't have something on them that i get pissed!:rant: what a vehicle has on it has nothing to do with the sniffer. my dearly departed nuclearlemon passed the sniffer with flying colors but failed because there was no air rail. wtf is that?!

i agree, it's a budget thing. i don't think they mean to eliminate collector plates, they'll still be around at the f'n $40 increase per year (thanks governer a-hole ritter), but they will collect the emissions fees on the vehicles every year now.

air care colorado is hiring minimum wage monkeys who probably don't even have a car, so yes, they are making money. they wouldn't be doing it if they weren't making money. so two $7.25/hr employees are running three cars through every 20 minutes or so, costing $14.50/hr and bringing in $225/hr. not including what the gov't gives air care to run the program.

corsair23
08-25-2009, 03:39 PM
What has always had me stumped is how the vehicle in front of me that is OBVIOUSLY burning oil (you'd have to be blind to miss the plume of blue smoke) passed the etest? How do I know it passed? Just look at the tags...

Case in point was a small sedan that was in front of me the other day (Accord or similar) that was spewing a trail of blue smoke...Tags on the plate showed an expiration of 8 2010 :dunno:

Air Randy
08-25-2009, 03:42 PM
I have no issues with us making our cars run better. it's when they pass the sniffer but fail because they don't have something on them that i get pissed!:rant: what a vehicle has on it has nothing to do with the sniffer. my dearly departed nuclearlemon passed the sniffer with flying colors but failed because there was no air rail. wtf is that?!

i agree, it's a budget thing. i don't think they mean to eliminate collector plates, they'll still be around at the f'n $40 increase per year (thanks governer a-hole ritter), but they will collect the emissions fees on the vehicles every year now.

air care colorado is hiring minimum wage monkeys who probably don't even have a car, so yes, they are making money. they wouldn't be doing it if they weren't making money. so two $7.25/hr employees are running three cars through every 20 minutes or so, costing $14.50/hr and bringing in $225/hr. not including what the gov't gives air care to run the program.

Totally agree, and to further address Nakman's rebuttal think even bigger picture: By making it tougher for people with older cars to pass emissions they force them to upgrade to a new or newer vehicle. They accomplish the goal of getting older, dirtier vehicles off of the road PLUS they also make huge amounts of money for the fees they collect on plates for new/newer vehicles not to mention the sales tax collected.

nakman
08-25-2009, 04:01 PM
...By making it tougher for people with older cars to pass emissions they force them to upgrade to a new or newer vehicle. They accomplish the goal of getting older, dirtier vehicles off of the road PLUS they also make huge amounts of money for the fees they collect on plates for new/newer vehicles not to mention the sales tax collected.

No I agree the motive is to get old cars off the road and replace them with cleaner ones. And I also don't really mind that, it seems reasonable and responsible to me. Relying on them to look for equipment that is/isn't supposed to be there is another thing though, I'm surprised they even know what an air rail is, and I know some have bolted on fake cats to pass the visual test.

But I just don't see the profit center in those air care places like you guys do.. with all the wages, management overhead, insurance, rent, utilities, plus the maintenance and payments on those machines & equipment... you think you can gross a couple grand a day and cover the nut? Heck no, and you you already said it "...including what the gov't gives air care to run the program.." that's right whole operation is subsidized, and increasing the burden for more testing will only increase that tax burden. and that figure is going to go up, not down.

Brand new cars are emissions-exempt anyway, if there was profit in emissions testing how is that even allowable?

Beater
08-25-2009, 06:23 PM
a good friend of mine oversees the program from a state point of view. "they make target" is all I have ever gotten out of him.

nuclearlemon
08-25-2009, 06:53 PM
But I just don't see the profit center in those air care places like you guys do.. with all the wages, management overhead, insurance, rent, utilities, plus the maintenance and payments on those machines & equipment... you think you can gross a couple grand a day and cover the nut?

we sell approx $15k-20k in our parts department every day at work. we're open 24 hours, from 9pm to 7am we are not making any money (trust me i've subbed on that shift a lot) so that is a complete loss. we have the same issues...mortgage, utilities, managment, overhead, wages, cell phones for half the parts department, delivery truck insurance/fuel/maintenance/purchase, building maintenance, equipment costs, plus we have the cost of parts. the biggest dollar tickets are usually at the lowest percentage, so we're not making a huge percentage on the majority. true, we have a service department, but they are not a huge money maker and have lost money the last few months. yes, we have truck sales, but they also have been hit hard the last year and a half are currently losing money.

if they are making $225/per lane per hour, at approximately 8 lanes, and only 10 hours a day, they are making $18k/day. i'm guessing at 8 lanes, that seems about right from what i remember. throw in vin inspections at $12/per. now add what the state pays them to run the program (i don't know how much that is, but i do know it is there...that's why all the little shops that used to do 81 and older are gone...they weren't subsidized).

nuclearlemon
08-25-2009, 06:56 PM
a good friend of mine oversees the program from a state point of view. "they make target" is all I have ever gotten out of him.

tell your friend to never meet me. i will have to kill him after the last two times i went there when one of their monkeys totally screwed up the hood of my 76 and they said that they didn't see that in the video. he slammed it hard enough twice for me to hear it from inside the booth, with a car on the dyno right next to me, then tried to drive over the wheel chock and didn't disconnect whatever they put on the hood before driving off. I have heard horror stories from almost every single person i've talked to regarding airscare colorado. :rant::rant:

btw, they supposedly don't allow videotaping or cameras there. wonder why? afraid the public have their own proof of the incompetant crap that goes on there?

Air Randy
08-25-2009, 08:10 PM
Nakman, I agree the air test center may be marginal on profit. My point is they will make it up on license plate revenye because you're paying the full value each year versus a fraction of that total for a 5 year collector plate. And, if you give up on trying to keep the old one running they make a killing on the sales tax on new plates when you buy another vehicle.

Are they making enough with this move to pay off the national debt? No, but in todays budget environments they are looking at any increase in revenue, no matter how small. This way, come election time, they can say they didn't raise taxes but still met the financial obligations................

nakman
08-25-2009, 08:47 PM
I have seen those kids drive all of my built trucks on those dynos, and it really scares me. The worst was the 80 once, he had that thing going side to side for a second there and I about ran out and moved the fan out of the way, figured if it got away he'd be able to drive it out... :eek: I really hate that experience.

and enough said on revenue, I think we're all pretty much in agreement. If you really want to get me going ask me what I think about paying sales tax every time a car changes hands... :rant:

nuclearlemon
08-25-2009, 09:30 PM
ask me what I think about paying sales tax every time a car changes hands... :rant:

nothing quite like a double tax...get taxed when you make the money and get taxed when you spend the money:rant:

MDH33
08-26-2009, 08:31 AM
What has always had me stumped is how the vehicle in front of me that is OBVIOUSLY burning oil (you'd have to be blind to miss the plume of blue smoke) passed the etest? How do I know it passed? Just look at the tags...

Case in point was a small sedan that was in front of me the other day (Accord or similar) that was spewing a trail of blue smoke...Tags on the plate showed an expiration of 8 2010 :dunno:

I just passed with my 60 (good numbers too!) and I guarantee you do not want to be behind that thing in the morning as it blows thick, huge clouds of blue smoke for the first 10 minutes, or anytime I'm engine braking. The compression is so bad I have to drive all the passes (and most hills) in second gear. :o When it was on the dyno, they weren't able to get it to go over 60MPH. :hill:

corsair23
08-26-2009, 10:57 AM
Interesting Martin...Maybe I need to re-read the pass/fail requirements because my understanding was that any visible smoke coming from the exhaust (diesel vehicles exempted) would result in an immediate failure of the test :confused:

MDH33
08-26-2009, 11:21 AM
Interesting Martin...Maybe I need to re-read the pass/fail requirements because my understanding was that any visible smoke coming from the exhaust (diesel vehicles exempted) would result in an immediate failure of the test :confused:

That's true. Mine doesn't show visible smoke when the engine reaches operating temps. I made sure it was warmed up when I took it in. ;)

Beater
08-26-2009, 01:13 PM
well - it is a 60... :bolt:

I just passed with my 60 (good numbers too!) and I guarantee you do not want to be behind that thing in the morning as it blows thick, huge clouds of blue smoke for the first 10 minutes, or anytime I'm engine braking. The compression is so bad I have to drive all the passes (and most hills) in second gear. :o When it was on the dyno, they weren't able to get it to go over 60MPH. :hill:

60wag
08-26-2009, 01:29 PM
I just don't know where the state gets off on telling me how to manage my collectors plates

PabloCruise
08-26-2009, 02:50 PM
I am really starting to get pissed about registration changes.

Glad I put the '74 Pig and '78 40 into collector plates before the June rate increasse...

PabloCruise
08-26-2009, 02:51 PM
I just don't know where the state gets off on telling me how to manage my collectors plates

That Worf plate is the bomb!!!

Hulk
08-26-2009, 08:55 PM
...how many vehicles were qualifying for cheap plates via the old collector program and determined how much additional revenue the state can generate if they require regular plates to be purchased each year.

Collector plates aren't any cheaper. You just pay all 5 years at once, rather than every year.

PabloCruise
08-27-2009, 03:44 PM
Just got this email from the Boulder County Clerk. Folks with cars and trucks built between 1976 and 1984 that previously qualified for collector plates will now have to renew their registration and pass emissions every year. Cars and trucks that already have the plates are grandfathered in...phew...


FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
August 24, 2009

Contact: Jessie Cornelius, Boulder County Clerk & Recorder Communications Specialist, 303-413-7766

Collector vehicles are now defined as model years 1975 and older

(Boulder County, Colo.) - A new state law that becomes effective on September 1, will require vehicles to have a model year of 1975 and older in order to be eligible to register for a “Collector Vehicle” license plate. Collector vehicles were previously defined as those 25 years and older.

Vehicles with a model year of 1976 and newer that already display “Collector Vehicle” license plates will be allowed to maintain their plate status as long as the registration is renewed on time. If the registration expires on models 1976 and newer, the vehicles will be required to pass an emissions test and will be registered with standard license plates. Additionally, if a vehicle with a model year of 1976 and newer is sold to a new owner, it will no longer qualify for the “Collector Vehicle” license plate.

The Boulder County Motor Vehicle Division has sent letters to vehicle owners who could be immediately impacted by the new law. Colorado Governor Bill Ritter signed Senate Bill 09-003 into law on June 1, which changed the definition of collector vehicles.



If you have any questions, please contact the Motor Vehicle Division at 303-413-7710 or email motorvehicle@bouldercounty.org.

-END-


Greetings from the north.

I am not going to be all that surprised if I get the same letter from Larimer County soon. I am up in Feb 2012. Sounds better than sending us all back for emissions tests tho.

I wonder what they will do regarding e-testing and collector plates up here?

Jacket
08-27-2009, 04:05 PM
It's a state law, so Larimer County will have the same requirements.

PabloCruise
08-27-2009, 04:47 PM
It's a state law, so Larimer County will have the same requirements.

Does that mean pushing collector plate rigs into e-testing?

ElliottB
08-30-2009, 08:39 PM
Um, how did I just run across this?!

So basically in the state of CO any vehicle built since 1974 will have to have emissions tested every year? Even if it's registered in El Paso Co? Crikey. I wonder if there is anyone way to lean out a desmogged 2F carb to pass emissions.

jettaglxdriver
08-30-2009, 08:52 PM
The testing still only applies in counties doing the testing now. It just means the new vehicles with collectors place under the new definition of collectors vehicle has to get tested annually. The ones who have it are grandfathered. The non emissions test counties don't have to start testing you just cannot get collectors plates on your 60 there only regular.

ElliottB
08-30-2009, 09:00 PM
Ohhh I see. Well I guess I'm safe then. I did want collector plates though. :(

treerootCO
09-14-2009, 02:53 PM
Effective: September 1, 2009:

Vehicles 1975 or older can apply for collectors plates at DMV
One (1) Tail-pipe emissions test is not required
Registration is done every 5 years
If ownership changes: emissions test is not required if new owner applies for collectors plates at DMV
But if new owner applies for regular plates, emissions test & registration is required every year.

"Grandfathered" Collector Vehicles:
1976 to 1984 vehicles registered as collector vehicles before September 1 2009 If owner does not register vehicle before end of grace period, collector plates are no longer valid; therefore, owner must get the appropriate emissions test and will receive regular plates

If ownership changes:
Vehicle cannot be automatically registered as collector vehicle; must comply with emissions standards.
1984 to 1982 dyne test - 1981 & older tail-pipe test - 1975 & older no test (see above definition)