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nakman
10-25-2009, 12:21 AM
Wow!!!!! this one really lived up to the hype, I for one really got my money's worth. Did anyone take any pictures? I think we had 31 trucks at the dinner, about 25 that headed up for the upper loop, and only 4 that made it all the way around. Yeah there was some breakage, and some guys are still up there..

:risingsun

JadeRunner
10-25-2009, 08:08 AM
The kids and I had fun Tim. We came home early. They got cold and were falling asleep on the way home. Thanks for another great event!

wesintl
10-25-2009, 09:10 AM
Thank you Nakman! what a successful potluck spooky night run! Sorry we have to bail but it's tough on the youngins

Thanks for having a fire going when we got there robbie!

rover67
10-25-2009, 09:17 AM
Hey Tim, THANKS for putting this one togather again!!! and THANKS Robbie for cutting all the wood and getting the fire going for everybody!! THANKS also to everybody that brought food, setup and broke down!

It was a very Spooky night with the stars out at one point, and the wind howling with blowing snow at another. It was great getting together and seeing everybody there!

After the potluck everybody made their way up the hill, and it got slicker and more difficult. I'll have to let somebody else report on the upper section of the trail, because I didn't quite get there. A breakdown at the top (sounds like it was a snapped pinion) forced the lower group to turn around and backtrack back down the hill. Everybody worked to get turned around and a small group decended. TIMZTOY, Thanks for letting me use your radio, mine's battery dies on the way up. It was good to be able to stay connected.


How'd it turn out at the top? Sorry i didn't head back up like I had planned, It sounded like it was covered..

How did it turn out at the top?

Bikeman
10-25-2009, 09:46 AM
What an awesome time and a bit of an adventure on the loop. I'm glad I had front and rear lockers!

Thanks to Tim and Robbie for puttin' it on, and esp. to Tim for getting us over the top and out of there. Pics to come.

FJBRADY
10-25-2009, 09:50 AM
Big thanks to Tim for putting this together.....site for the cookout was ideal!

Old40dog broke his pinion near the top in the slick stuff.

Big :bowdown: to all that helped, it was a regular all star RS member who's who under Dave's truck. We had UB, Treeroot, Dave in Denver, Powderpig, Timztoy (sans flashlight), Subzali, FOS (Father of Subzali) and a couple others whom I did not catch their names all wrenching feverously to get the broken rig back home safely.

Michele and I got home at 3am.....and yes she is still speaking to me. :cool::Princess:

Looking forward to the next run.............

DaveInDenver
10-25-2009, 10:07 AM
Exhausted.

A lot of the props go to Subzali, the man in charge of the situation. Uncle Ben, Subzali and Tim did most of the hard work in the axle. The rest of us handed them tools and tried to irritate them with the flashlights.

It was a spooky night driving home, the fog was like pea soup. Couldn't see 500 feet down the road. That was cool. Just as we got into Idaho Springs a mountain lion ran between Treeroot and John. That was spooky.

As if anyone didn't know, skinny pedal + 35" tires + V8 + SOA - anti-wrap bars = dead pinion. Worst part was it was too late for beers. No trail side repair should go uncelebrated. Oh, also it also seems pretty clear that any attempt to save time by not pulling the whole third to fix a broken pinion and working with just the inspection plate off in fact doubles the repair time.

subzali
10-25-2009, 10:15 AM
I got home at 3:53 this morning.

It started nice and spooky:
http://www.risingsun4x4club.org/forum2/picture.php?albumid=44&pictureid=590
http://www.risingsun4x4club.org/forum2/picture.php?albumid=44&pictureid=591

Then it got more spooky on a steep, slick hill. My assessment: a sprung-over FJ40 with no anti-wrap bar. Sounded like a 350 under the hood, no lockers so high wheel speed, and one big bounce. Broken pinion. I'm immediately above him and everyone in front of me is quite a ways in front of me and probably not able to render assistance. We started getting those who were lower turned around while we figured out what to do. I hooked up my winch to a tree to keep me from sliding backwards, then backed down and strapped him away from a tree he had slid into, then when we unhooked he slid a few more feet into another tree. Got an FJC involved from below to swing his back end back onto the trail, then we pulled the diff cover, driveshaft, bearing caps, ring gear, and broken pinion and then reassembled the bearing caps as best we could so he could keep his rear axles in place and limp off the trail and home. Then we short-strapped him all the way back to the trailhead where he limped home in front wheel drive.

http://www.risingsun4x4club.org/forum2/picture.php?albumid=44&pictureid=592
http://www.risingsun4x4club.org/forum2/picture.php?albumid=44&pictureid=593
http://www.risingsun4x4club.org/forum2/picture.php?albumid=44&pictureid=594
http://www.risingsun4x4club.org/forum2/picture.php?albumid=44&pictureid=595
http://www.risingsun4x4club.org/forum2/picture.php?albumid=44&pictureid=596

There was gear oil involved, and where was Ige? :confuse2:
Oh well, we have the TT technical writer here so we're good :thumb:
http://www.risingsun4x4club.org/forum2/picture.php?albumid=44&pictureid=597

Very SPOOKY indeed...
http://www.risingsun4x4club.org/forum2/picture.php?albumid=44&pictureid=598

My old boss Gary (in his FJ60 "Ol' Grateful") followed them all the way to Evergreen where they lived. Everyone got off the trail safe, nobody got hurt.

And yes, it would seem that pulling the 3rd member housing would actually be a lot easier than trying to assemble the bearing caps etc. while still in the truck. Oh well you live and you learn.

Air Randy
10-25-2009, 10:51 AM
Many Thanks to Tim and everyone else who made this a great run, Dee and I had a ton of fun.

Many kudo's to the rescue team that stayed late under harsh conditions to ensure everyone got home safe.

Just goes to show you what a "different" group of people we 4 wheelers are.........everyones laying in the snow, trying to fix a severely broken vehicle well after midnight with the prospect of more bad weather on the way and yet I see most of them smiling in the pictures!:thumb: Did someone secretly sneak a flask along for "medicinal" purposes?:hill:

I sent Old40Dog a PM this morning, I have a diff if he needs it and I think we should get him a track bar fabbed up and in place before the next run.:D

Mendocino
10-25-2009, 10:56 AM
... and I think we should get him a track bar fabbed up and in place before the next run.:D

I have all the parts (brackets, rod ends, bung, DOM, etc) for a track-bar sitting in my garage that I probably won't use in the near future. He can have them for what I have into them if he wants.

DaveInDenver
10-25-2009, 10:59 AM
Just goes to show you what a "different" group of people we 4 wheelers are.........everyones laying in the snow, trying to fix a severely broken vehicle well after midnight with the prospect of more bad weather on the way and yet I see most of them smiling in the pictures!:thumb: Did someone secretly sneak a flask along for "medicinal" purposes?:hill:
Oh no, that would be wrong. The whiskey was purely for parts cleaning.
I sent Old40Dog a PM this morning, I have a diff if he needs it and I think we should get him a track bar fabbed up and in place before the next run.:D
Anti-wrap and an lunch box locker (heck, rebuilding the third...Detroit or ARB!) would go a long way for not a ton of money.

subzali
10-25-2009, 11:11 AM
he has a spare diff already. But yes he needs an anti-wrap bar and a locker.

i'm really glad everyone was in a pretty good mood last night, that made things easier. And I just happened to be the closest to the breakage and had some of the necessary things available to fix it, and I just tried to help where I could like everybody else. I just want to thank everyone - Robbie, Uncle Ben, Treeroot, DaveinDenver, my dad, TIMZTOY, Steve Brady, Gary, the patient ladies :bowdown: :Princess:, nakman for offering to come back up and help if we needed, and others that I don't really know, everyone was awesome! I wouldn't say it was fun, but it wasn't as bad as it could've been...

:risingsun:

Dr. Schlegs
10-25-2009, 11:46 AM
I want to echo everyone's remakes. Thank you Tim for organizing the event and thanks to everyone that crawled under the 40. It is the good people :thumb: of Rising Sun that make me sleep better having an open 80. I think I would have been the second rig to breakdown if I had to climb another rutted, snow covered hill last night.

PS Ige I was thinking about Nitrous in the 80 :lmao:

Old40Dog
10-25-2009, 11:57 AM
Well Matt, you beat us home by 1 minute! It was 3:54 AM when we walked in the door.

Special thanks to all that helped out, especially, Matt, his dad, Robbie, Uncle Ben, Treeroot, DaveinDenver,TIMZTOY, Steve Brady and Gary was a real trooper following us back to Evergreen.

Looks like I'll be driving the Taco for a while. As it will be several weeks until I have any time to get into this project, but I do have a 3rd member that should be in good shape that I can pop in. The wrap bar was on the list and now its moved up to the top. I'll PM Mendocino about his parts.

Think I'll also do rear discs while I'm at it too, so if anyone has any spare parts to sell for that project, I'm interested.

Again.....THANKS GUYS! As Nakman states in his signature....Rising Sun Rocks! :thumb::thumb::thumb:

Bikeman
10-25-2009, 11:59 AM
Kevin, kudos to you for making it up those hills, it was a relief each time to see you conquer each section!

RicardoJM
10-25-2009, 11:59 AM
Nakman, thanks for taking the lead on putting this event together, Rick and I enjoyed the Spooky Night run very much. Everyone that attended, pitched in did a great job. Robbie, thanks for heading up early and getting the fire going. Mat M., thanks for the spot going through the rocks on the way up and Marco C. thanks for the spot going through the rocks coming down.

We were in the lower group that turned around an headed back into town. The crew that stayed behind and got Dave off the mountain really is incredible. It was late, dark, cold and way less than optimum wrenching conditions. You folks did a great job. :risingsun

FJBRADY
10-25-2009, 12:28 PM
Now that I have had a couple of cups of coffee I am thinking clearly about what took place last night.

We had a on trail cookout that included sushi, turkey legs as well as a cook off between a couple of Kevin's. Saw many friends and met a few new ones.

I witnessed a on trail surgery of a pumpkin on a fellow members rig under adverse conditions.

Lastly, I have seen posts this morning encouraging tech knowledge, parts and enthusiasm to get the wounded truck fixed and back on the trail.

I have heard about the midnight trail fixes/recoverys before, but until you are actualy part of one you don't realize how much knowledge, experience and unsellfishness there is in this group.

Way to go Rising Sun :thumb:

TIMZTOY
10-25-2009, 01:16 PM
Thanks tim for orginizing the run.
I got home about 3:20 coundnt see but 5 feet infront ofthe truck through the mountains. Almost 10 miles of that crap. I had fun last night fixing the broken rig. I hate to say this but I look foward to the next break. Because it brings ppl togther better than just chit chatting. But no break is a good break. :risingsun:perry::perry::risingsun
Old40dog if you need help installing the track bar hit me up!:weld:

Oh ya I don't think I'm going to were steel toe boots this Winter anymore. Holly foot refrigerator batman ! Florida boy still has some learning. Lol

DaveInDenver
10-25-2009, 01:33 PM
Oh ya I don't think I'm going to were steel toe boots this Winter anymore. Holly foot refrigerator batman ! Florida boy still has some learning. Lol
Yeah, it's trade off, until you drop a diff on your foot I guess.

RockRunner
10-25-2009, 03:31 PM
I did not make it on the run, still recovering from my knee replacement, but just need to say this;

Rising Sun ROCKS!!!:thumb::thumb:

No matter what, you can always count on at least one member to help you out. A family indeed :bowdown::thumb: Sounds like all had a good time and came home safe.

Hope to see ya all at the next meeting/event if I am ready :thumb:

RedCreeper
10-25-2009, 03:45 PM
I got home around 12 but want to say thanks also to Tim for putting on a great event. Thanks Robbie for the fire. Kept us all warm in the bursts of snow and wind we got. I was part of the group that got turned around and my SPOOKY run did not start till i started back down to the camp spot. As i was going along and sliding downhill towards trees i realized i was alone. The group that turned around was already half way back down and since i was on CB i slowly lost them. I know i was no alone out there but at the time i was. After the second or third slide towards trees going downhill the SPOOKY part came to life. I took my time to make sure i did not do anything stupid and had to get out and look at the one hole and i think a few other spots to take a look but never being on this trail and pitch dark with it getting colder made me think a bit. I got a hold of Tim finnally coming down the other side when i was about half way down. At the bottom i talked to Marco and thanks for waiting there. I know OCR was further down and we went back together. That helped since things look different at night and i had no clue where i was and how to get back. Nerves aside was a good time and good to see folks again. Glad to hear everyone made it home safely. RS rules! See everyone on the trails.

Kenny

CardinalFJ60
10-25-2009, 05:05 PM
...about all the excitement! and I'm glad the "ghosts of chevy's past" didn't jump out and grab anyone amidst the sliding around. ;)

Would have loved to been there...Due date is tomorrow for #2, so being out wheelin' was out of the question. Glad everyone is safe and has some great stories too!

:cheers:

nakman
10-25-2009, 08:52 PM
Yes thanks again :robbie: for the :campfire: sure took the edge off. And thanks to everyone who came out for the good food and great attitudes. The trail condition was a lot crazier than it was 2 weeks ago, and looking outside I'm afraid that could have been the last loop of the year up there.. I sure like that area though I have a feeling we'll be back ;)

Chris I've got your handheld CB... you going to be at the next meeting? Or let me know if you want to hook up sooner.

jettaglxdriver
10-25-2009, 09:46 PM
Looking at those photos make me sad I missed the run.

Also looking at those photos makes me thing a canvas tarp might be a good idea to lay on in snowy/wet weather.

Shark Bait
10-25-2009, 10:56 PM
Jeanette and I had a great time. It was nice to meet a lot of new people. Thanks to Tim for organizing and thanks to Robbie for setting up the fire.

subzali
10-26-2009, 08:02 AM
Here are some more pictures:
Staging Area:
http://www.risingsun4x4club.org/forum2/picture.php?albumid=44&pictureid=599
http://www.risingsun4x4club.org/forum2/picture.php?albumid=44&pictureid=600
http://www.risingsun4x4club.org/forum2/picture.php?albumid=44&pictureid=601

Unveiling of Mendocino's FJ40!:
http://www.risingsun4x4club.org/forum2/picture.php?albumid=44&pictureid=602

My dad and my old boss Gary yakking it up:
http://www.risingsun4x4club.org/forum2/picture.php?albumid=44&pictureid=603

Wes and fam:
http://www.risingsun4x4club.org/forum2/picture.php?albumid=44&pictureid=604

Driver meeting:
http://www.risingsun4x4club.org/forum2/picture.php?albumid=44&pictureid=605

Marco and his new-to-him FJ40:
http://www.risingsun4x4club.org/forum2/picture.php?albumid=44&pictureid=606

Driving up to the cookout site:
http://www.risingsun4x4club.org/forum2/picture.php?albumid=44&pictureid=607
http://www.risingsun4x4club.org/forum2/picture.php?albumid=44&pictureid=608
http://www.risingsun4x4club.org/forum2/picture.php?albumid=44&pictureid=609

Night fell over the trucks while we were eating:
http://www.risingsun4x4club.org/forum2/picture.php?albumid=44&pictureid=610

A smaller group headed up into the trees as the snow started to lightly fall:
http://www.risingsun4x4club.org/forum2/picture.php?albumid=44&pictureid=611
http://www.risingsun4x4club.org/forum2/picture.php?albumid=44&pictureid=612
http://www.risingsun4x4club.org/forum2/picture.php?albumid=44&pictureid=613
http://www.risingsun4x4club.org/forum2/picture.php?albumid=44&pictureid=614

My dad had a great time driving the 40! He was really impressed with the traction and how capable it was of crawling up the mountainside!
http://www.risingsun4x4club.org/forum2/picture.php?albumid=44&pictureid=615

The bottom of the ill-fated hill!
http://www.risingsun4x4club.org/forum2/picture.php?albumid=44&pictureid=616

Airing down minutes before the carnage!
http://www.risingsun4x4club.org/forum2/picture.php?albumid=44&pictureid=617

:bowdown::Princess: Three wonderfully patient ladies (one is inside the FJC) while we were fixing what was broken!
http://www.risingsun4x4club.org/forum2/picture.php?albumid=44&pictureid=618

Anchor, tool supplier, it has many different uses!
http://www.risingsun4x4club.org/forum2/picture.php?albumid=44&pictureid=619

All is quiet on the western front...
http://www.risingsun4x4club.org/forum2/picture.php?albumid=44&pictureid=620

Patiently awaiting the outcome...
http://www.risingsun4x4club.org/forum2/picture.php?albumid=44&pictureid=621

Uncle Ben
10-26-2009, 09:22 AM
My my sir, what a nice strap you have! The rear anchor point is also impressive!

http://www.risingsun4x4club.org/forum2/picture.php?albumid=44&pictureid=619

subzali
10-26-2009, 09:37 AM
I know I know, well it's worked ok for the past several years but it is quickly coming to the top of the to-do list. Just need an extra $1000-$1200 burning a hole in my wallet...or learn how to welder one up...

Hulk
10-26-2009, 09:41 AM
Matt, I don't think I've ever noticed your chopped ambulance doors. Those are pretty cool!

Jacket
10-26-2009, 09:42 AM
Since I had to shuttle a sleeping boy home and couldn't stick around for the repair, what was the final fix to allow him to limp home? I gather that you pulled the rear driveshaft and ran in FWD, but what did you remove and how did you secure the axles in the diff? Just interested in what works for if/when it ever happens to me.

Air Randy
10-26-2009, 09:55 AM
I think they just popped the pinion gear out so it wouldn't bind up, then put everything else back together to hold the axles in. Then you duct tape up the hole in front where the pinion was to keep from slinging all of the oil out.

Uncle Ben
10-26-2009, 09:57 AM
Since I had to shuttle a sleeping boy home and couldn't stick around for the repair, what was the final fix to allow him to limp home? I gather that you pulled the rear driveshaft and ran in FWD, but what did you remove and how did you secure the axles in the diff? Just interested in what works for if/when it ever happens to me.

Broken pinions will not allow movement in one direction because the ring gear will pull them into the carrier. We pulled the rear driveshaft and the carrier, took out the broken pinion then reinstalled the criier so the axles could be retained and supported. Then he limped out on front drive. If he would have had to travel a long way home we would have had to swap thirds front to rear.

subzali
10-26-2009, 10:21 AM
If I were to do it again I would do it just like Uncle Ben said but, like stated earlier, I would just pull the whole 3rd member out and disassemble/reassemble it while it is not under the truck. Getting the bearing races, adjusting nuts and bearing caps aligned and bolts threaded is not easy underneath the truck! Especially when gravity is not helping you hold stuff in place!

I would definitely do this again if I only had a short distance to get home!

If I had a long distance to drive I would definitely do as I did in Moab a couple years ago where I pulled the front 3rd, axle shafts and drive shaft, pulled the rear 3rd, and plugged the front 3rd into the rear and drive home in rear-wheel drive...threw the front axle shafts, broken rear diff, front drive shaft, and locker components inside the truck (I carry spare spider gears with me so I can run an open diff if my Lockright breaks).

Uncle Ben
10-26-2009, 10:51 AM
If I were to do it again I would do it just like Uncle Ben said but, like stated earlier, I would just pull the whole 3rd member out and disassemble/reassemble it while it is not under the truck. Getting the bearing races, adjusting nuts and bearing caps aligned and bolts threaded is not easy underneath the truck! Especially when gravity is not helping you hold stuff in place!

I would definitely do this again if I only had a short distance to get home!

If I had a long distance to drive I would definitely do as I did in Moab a couple years ago where I pulled the front 3rd, axle shafts and drive shaft, pulled the rear 3rd, and plugged the front 3rd into the rear and drive home in rear-wheel drive...threw the front axle shafts, broken rear diff, front drive shaft, and locker components inside the truck (I carry spare spider gears with me so I can run an open diff if my Lockright breaks).


What made this such a PITA was gravity! Having the truck at such a steep angle and having a spring over setup with the pinion rotated up made putting it back together tough as nothing would stay in place so the caps could get put back in. I made a bad call by saying "Lets fix it right here." Just too many negative factors to deal with made it time consuming trail fix ending in lousy repair. Hey, I'm still learning! :rolleyes:

subzali
10-26-2009, 10:53 AM
It was a GREAT learning experience for just about everybody I would say! :thumb:

treerootCO
10-26-2009, 11:40 AM
I wish I had brought the Prius Nak said could make it because it only got worse from here. When your spotter says to stop posing and drive out out it....then comes running down the hill to grab the bumper.... that's funny :hill:

RedCreeper
10-26-2009, 11:55 AM
WOW wish i had a shot of mine when i did it. All i remember was the passenger fender reaching the sky.

Uncle Ben
10-26-2009, 12:09 PM
I wish I had brought the Prius Nak said could make it because it only got worse from here. When your spotter says to stop posing and drive out out it....then comes running down the hill to grab the bumper.... that's funny :hill:

Nice IFS flex! :lmao::lmao::lmao: ;)

subzali
10-26-2009, 12:15 PM
By the way my dad counted somewhere around 31 trucks at the cookout.

And even though Dave was broken we had lots of laughs - think he was in a little bit of shock that 5-6 guys dove under his truck to get everything fixed, I think the only tool he got a chance to pick up was his Hi-Lift jack...

:risingsun:

FJBRADY
10-26-2009, 12:58 PM
think he was in a little bit of shock that 5-6 guys dove under his truck to get everything fixed

:risingsun:

That was pretty cool.....

(that 5-6 guys dove under his truck) the only other place you would see that is Bagdad!

Bikeman
10-26-2009, 01:29 PM
I wish I had brought the Prius Nak said could make it because it only got worse from here. When your spotter says to stop posing and drive out out it....then comes running down the hill to grab the bumper.... that's funny :hill:

Swaybars=YUCK:D

FJBRADY
10-26-2009, 01:48 PM
I wish I had brought the Prius Nak said could make it because it only got worse from here. When your spotter says to stop posing and drive out out it....then comes running down the hill to grab the bumper.... that's funny :hill:

Michele was driving the FJC until we saw you ahead of us all twisted up and at that point she gave me back the truck....I thank you Root :thumb:

RedCreeper
10-26-2009, 02:26 PM
i was wondering if i needed to switch also... do you think Fritz could reach the pedals?

DaveInDenver
10-26-2009, 03:02 PM
Nice IFS flex! :lmao::lmao::lmao: ;)
Oh, THAT'S the 'wheel stand spot' they were talking about coming down. I came up the hill late, just before you came up Kevin, and I don't remember doing anything like that. Maybe I took a different line being that it was dark. Or it's possible that IFS without sway bars flexes some place between a solid axle with and without. Shrug.

subzali
10-26-2009, 03:06 PM
you took a different line Dave, you went up the right side and most everybody else went up this (left) side (you weren't avoiding the left side as far as I could tell, it mostly had to do with the fact that you were shedding/reorganizing passengers with another truck that was sitting on the right hand side).

DaveInDenver
10-26-2009, 03:16 PM
What made this such a PITA was gravity! Having the truck at such a steep angle and having a spring over setup with the pinion rotated up made putting it back together tough as nothing would stay in place so the caps could get put back in. I made a bad call by saying "Lets fix it right here." Just too many negative factors to deal with made it time consuming trail fix ending in lousy repair. Hey, I'm still learning! :rolleyes:
Just as a FYI to those not at the repair, the 40 ended up in a stable enough spot that happened to be about, what, 15% grade pointed up hill, would you say UB? So the decision was that it seemed safe enough even if not ideal. There was a flat spot that we'd scoped out that people were using to turn around and would have been a better spot to wrench. But that would have meant fighting the ice down another 500 feet downhill and we'd already seen the 40 slide uncontrolled once about 50 feet into another tree. So while hindsight is on UB's side right now, dealing with a pinion that wanted to jam the diff, the ice and winching him down made the decision a lot less obvious at the time. I think a lot of us learned a lot, like for me what to do if you break a pinion gear. Never been at the scene during a pinion fix, just seen the tail end of one being fixed. I would say this is one place where a mini axle has an advantage over the rear axle of a Cruiser. You are not tempted to short cut and work through the inspection cover, there is no question that you pull the diff... :-)

Uncle Ben
10-26-2009, 03:36 PM
Just as a FYI to those not at the repair, the 40 ended up in a stable enough spot that happened to be about, what, 15% grade pointed up hill, would you say UB? So the decision was that it seemed safe enough even if not ideal. There was a flat spot that we'd scoped out that people were using to turn around and would have been a better spot to wrench. But that would have meant fighting the ice down another 500 feet downhill and we'd already seen the 40 slide uncontrolled once about 50 feet into another tree. So while hindsight is on UB's side right now, dealing with a pinion that wanted to jam the diff, the ice and winching him down made the decision a lot less obvious at the time. I think a lot of us learned a lot, like for me what to do if you break a pinion gear. Never been at the scene during a pinion fix, just seen the tail end of one being fixed. I would say this is one place where a mini axle has an advantage over the rear axle of a Cruiser. You are not tempted to short cut and work through the inspection cover, there is no question that you pull the diff... :-)


The 8" mini diff also does not have c-clips so that also speeds things up a bit. The rear cover, pin and block still would have had to come out before the drop out would drop out so in theory 4 bolts on the carrier bearing caps vrs 12 holding the drop out should have been a lot faster especially since we would still have had to pull the carrier after it was out to get the broken stub out.

nuclearlemon
10-26-2009, 03:52 PM
I would say this is one place where a mini axle has an advantage over the rear axle of a Cruiser. You are not tempted to short cut and work through the inspection cover, there is no question that you pull the diff... :-)

don't see how you had so much trouble going that way. that's how i did kevin's rig in moab and, having pulled numerous diffs, i'd do it that way over pulling the diff in a heartbeat. but, i wasn't there either.

Uncle Ben
10-26-2009, 04:25 PM
don't see how you had so much trouble going that way. that's how i did kevin's rig in moab and, having pulled numerous diffs, i'd do it that way over pulling the diff in a heartbeat. but, i wasn't there either.

It was just the cold conditions and the downward angle of the opening that made it a PITA. Job itself would have been super quick especially on nice warm slickrock or sand! Like hanging a diff from the ceiling and putting the caps on when your fingers need to hold everything in place......in a freezer.... :rolleyes:

treerootCO
10-26-2009, 05:33 PM
Oh, THAT'S the 'wheel stand spot' they were talking about coming down. I came up the hill late, just before you came up Kevin, and I don't remember doing anything like that. Maybe I took a different line being that it was dark. Or it's possible that IFS without sway bars flexes some place between a solid axle with and without. Shrug.

Hole.... :eek:

DaveInDenver
10-26-2009, 05:41 PM
Hole.... :eek:
Yeah, I went to the right at that spot. Subzali said the left was harder, probably because of the hole, since the right was not really that much different. Just less flex required I think.

powderpig
10-26-2009, 10:22 PM
Well the family and I had fun. I enjoyed starting a fire, using the chain saw and the spliting maul. I am glad that every one enjoyed the fire. It added a cheeryness to the spooky night(keep the real bad juju away).
Even had fun with Dave's 40 braking in a real fun spot.
Thanks Tim and who ever pointed you to this area. It has been a great 2 runs we have done in the area.

pramjockey
10-26-2009, 10:30 PM
That fire was an absolute lifesaver.