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subzali
10-26-2009, 05:02 PM
Ok, so Uncle Ben hit an insecurity...but it's okay. It's more like a kick in the butt for me to address something I've been ignoring for quite some time now.

My FJ40 needs rear recovery points. Right now it has a misshapen ill-fitting Smittybuilt-style double-tube rear bumper that I've been getting by with since I took possession of the rig. It's held up through several large tugs, but I really don't like it, it blocks some of my rear lights, and I have to loop a strap around it to pull on anything. It would be nice to shackle a strap to my rear end instead.

Problem is that most rear bumpers with recovery points seem to be at least $500 and include a tire carrier, and then work up from there.

Does anybody know of a rear bumper that is basically just square tube with recovery points that mounts to the rear crossmember?

Or what about those bolt-on shackle attachment points that MAF 4+ Plus used to sell (I emailed them and they no longer make them)? What are the cons of using something like that?

Are there any other decently good options for me to gain rear recovery points? I wouldn't mind tossing the rear bumper, but it would be nice to replace it with at least OEM bumperettes or something if I'm going to be running bumperless. Should I get a bolt-on pintle hitch in the middle and call it good?
http://www.risingsun4x4club.org/photopost/data/557/PINTLE_HOOK_BOLT_ON.jpg

Or bolt-on a 2" receiver and get a receiver shackle?
http://www.risingsun4x4club.org/photopost/data/557/hitch.jpg
http://www.risingsun4x4club.org/photopost/data/557/Shackle.jpg

Thoughts, ideas? Looking for something coming in the $100 or less range if possible...

treerootCO
10-26-2009, 05:10 PM
You need what is on the back of my dad's and my 40. 4+ recovery points...not on their web page.

Here is their broken link: http://www.man-a-fre.com/parts_accessories/shacklerec.htm

Uncle Ben
10-26-2009, 05:11 PM
A cross braced receiver is really all thats needed! Slip the end of the strap into the hole push the rated (no bolt or Chinese crap) pin back in and your set!

subzali
10-26-2009, 05:20 PM
You need what is on the back of my dad's and my 40. 4+ recovery points...not on their web page.

Here is their broken link: http://www.man-a-fre.com/parts_accessories/shacklerec.htm

Yep they don't sell them. I'm leaning that way so I can mount them more-or-less inline with the frame, but it looks like I would have to have them fabbed. If I go that way I'll be getting dimensions from you ;) However, you can't mount OEM bumperettes with that setup right?

A cross braced receiver is really all thats needed! Slip the end of the strap into the hole push the rated (no bolt or Chinese crap) pin back in and your set!

Cross-braced how? Span from the center of the frame out to each frame rail (parallel the stock rear corner gussets)?

Hulk
10-26-2009, 05:22 PM
Or bolt-on a 2" receiver and get a receiver shackle?
http://www.risingsun4x4club.org/photopost/data/557/hitch.jpg



That thing is a rock finder. I smacked the one I had in Moab so much that I tweaked the rear cross member.

I had a bolt-on solution custom made for me that simply bolted to those 4 holes, with a place to slip a D-ring through. I'll see if I can find a picture.

treerootCO
10-26-2009, 05:28 PM
Bam!


That pic is funny too...where is he going!?....yes he is on the road... :D

DaveInDenver
10-26-2009, 05:45 PM
Matt, I have a standard 5 ton pintle hook (and probably four grade 5 or 8 bolts to match) floating around if you want to use it until you figure out a better solution. Pintle hooks look cool and all that but I found it a lot less fun when it's roughly either knee or waist high...

rover67
10-26-2009, 05:55 PM
I think I have all of the bits to weld up something like what the 4+ thing was if you're initerested.

TIMZTOY
10-26-2009, 06:15 PM
Have you seen my rear bumper on the taco ? It's 2x4" 1/4" wall. With a flushed in 2" reciver and 2 x 25,000 lb weld on shackles. I've got less than 200 in it.

EWheeler
10-26-2009, 07:21 PM
Are you opposed to cutting through the rear crossmember? Sounds like you want to stay somewhat stock if you are asking if the bumperettes will stay? This is what I did to my rear crossmember. Although it is box tube, you could make it work with the stock crossmember. I know you will be fighting with those frame angled brackets that are riveted on, but aren't you an engineer?:D

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_O7kwWrOWbkk/SoTbpFFJm_I/AAAAAAAAAi4/W6OAdiEfXVs/s800/IMG_2651.JPG

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_O7kwWrOWbkk/SoTbxxveDwI/AAAAAAAAAlA/cgSvKWgsQq8/s800/IMG_2685.JPG

I love having my receiver hitch and will use if for bike racks and eventually toting around a dirtbike trailer.

subzali
10-26-2009, 09:21 PM
Hey Dave if I don't have this figured out by the time the next snow run comes around try to have that pintle ready and I would sure be pleased to borrow it! I'm leaning towards what Treeroot posted up on the back of his dad's 40 because it doesn't affect the departure angle at all, and if I wanted to I could use the stock bumperettes. I checked out my truck today and those angled braces pretty much go to the middle of the rear crossmember, so I guess that's about as good of bracing as you can get.

I like the pintle, but don't have anything with a pintle eye so it would only be for hooking a strap through. I like the trailer hitch with the pullout as I've been known to pull a small trailer with my 40, but that's happening less and less and in-between I've been known to unbolt the hitch to keep it from dragging.

I think I'm going to go with something like what Ken has. Now I gotta find someone willing to make me one.

Old40Dog
10-26-2009, 09:26 PM
Matt,

Draw up what ever you want, including mounting of the bumperettes. The recessed trailer hitch set up is a pretty clean set up. The materials can all be picked-up (drops and recycled) locally. We can fab it on a weekend if you want to put in some hours instead of cash. I've got the necessary tools including a 220v welder and would be glad to help you build this. Just let me know when you're ready:D

Dave

DaveInDenver
10-26-2009, 09:33 PM
You need what is on the back of my dad's and my 40. 4+ recovery points...not on their web page.

Here is their broken link: http://www.man-a-fre.com/parts_accessories/shacklerec.htm
Is it a shackle plate that bolts onto the 4-hole pattern? Expedition Exchange has those, $35. Is that much more than MAF? They also have pretty slick backing plates for $15. Those are designed so that you can bolt the adapter to the thin wall of an ARB and not have it tear through. Probably not needed for the rear cross member of a 40.

http://www.expeditionexchange.com/smb/DSC05438340.jpg

http://www.expeditionexchange.com/smb/DSC05441340.jpg

http://www.expeditionexchange.com/smb/

subzali
10-26-2009, 09:49 PM
yep Dave that's basically it. Hmmm...dunno if that matches the hole pattern that is already drilled in the 40 cross member?

Mendocino
10-26-2009, 09:55 PM
Ewheeler: Are you going to box the frame aft of the diagonal gussets?

TIMZTOY
10-26-2009, 10:21 PM
http://lh6.ggpht.com/_O7kwWrOWbkk/SoTbxxveDwI/AAAAAAAAAlA/cgSvKWgsQq8/s800/IMG_2685.JPG


that's allmost exactlly what mine looks like. Excpt I didn't gusset the hitch, low profile super strong easy on the eyes.
Sorry 18,000 lbs
http://www.etrailer.com/p-J-705.htm

Jacket
10-26-2009, 10:38 PM
I ended up with one of those pintle hitches like you posted. Paid around $40 IIRC. You can sorta see it here.

http://www.risingsun4x4club.org/uploads/Jacket/40sonlyrun1.jpg

Old40Dog
10-26-2009, 10:42 PM
Tim,

The link you posted are for the same "D" rings welded to my front and rear bumpers that Matt used to winch me down the "hill" and we used to jack the 40 with the High Lift! These are not the same "D" rings available at the Home Depot. :D Easy to install (welding included), clean appearance and strong as all get out! You can attach a strap with a hook, loop or a clevis. Very universal. Gary also used one of the rear "D" rings on my 40 to hold me back as we slid down the road to Idaho Springs. An option for Matt to consider if there's enough space to include them.

Dave

EWheeler
10-26-2009, 10:44 PM
Ewheeler: Are you going to box the frame aft of the diagonal gussets?

I would have if I wasn't using a Ready Welder. I would have purchased the Ruffstuff boxing kit, but it would have taken me years to weld those in with the batteries. It will likely stay this way until I link it, at which time I will probably chop the rear of the frame off....

Rezarf
10-26-2009, 11:22 PM
Matt, I have a ball/pintle combo, and a bolt up plate with a shackle mount like the one pictured above I had made several years ago that fits the factory hole pattern. PM and we can make you a good deal. :D

DaveInDenver
10-27-2009, 06:10 AM
yep Dave that's basically it. Hmmm...dunno if that matches the hole pattern that is already drilled in the 40 cross member?
I don't know the drill pattern. The holes are 1/2" and it accepts a 3/4" ARB bow shackle, so maybe it can be estimated. I would email Expedition Exchange and ask if they have a drill guide or something. But my guess is it's a standard pattern.

MDH33
10-27-2009, 08:08 AM
I have a pintle and bumperettes. The pintle doesn't effect departure because the bumperettes hit before the pintle does. I also like the pintle better than the D-Ring becasue there are no parts to drop in the snow and lose. Just open, attach strap, close, and go. I carry D-Rings, but I can usually never find them in my rig when I need them, and I wouldn't leave it attached to the rig because they are too easy to steal when I'm around town.

http://mdhuber.smugmug.com/photos/694490223_HrseB-M.jpg

subzali
11-06-2009, 09:38 PM
Got the broken bolts out of my rear crossmember, got my old rear bumper off, and here's the transformation: it's a little tight when closing my tire carrier, but it has a 15 ton rating baby :D

RicardoJM
11-07-2009, 06:56 AM
Looks good:thumb:.

DaveInDenver
11-07-2009, 07:10 AM
Your rear end is looking good Matt. :-) You sure 15 tons will be enough?

subzali
11-07-2009, 07:53 AM
well they did have the 45 ton one...

Actually, the straps I have are rated to 17,000 lbs. breaking strength (8.5 ton). They had an 8 ton pintle, which would probably have worked, but the 15 ton was the same price and will outrate any strap I would normally put on it. Also, the 1/2" Grade 8 bolts (150,000 psi tensile strength) can handle about 29,400 lbs. by themselves; if I remember correctly when there are 4 of them in "parallel" they share the load (about 1/4 of it) and can handle a higher force, in this case up to about 117,600 lbs. (58.8 tons)

shrug

timmbuck2
11-07-2009, 09:33 AM
nice...where did you get it? need to think about the same thing on my 40's

subzali
11-07-2009, 01:29 PM
I got it from Northern Tool. Got the bumperettes from Bruiser...

DaveInDenver
11-07-2009, 01:32 PM
well they did have the 45 ton one...
Nah, just giving you grief. I would have done the same, bolted the highest rated pintle that simultaneously fit the drill patten and my wallet. Keep in mind working load vs. ultimate strength, that 15 ton GTW pintle is probably derated by a factor of 2 at least and so you should have no trouble with the hook failing when you recover stuck HMMWVs and 80 series.

timmbuck2
11-07-2009, 01:45 PM
http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_6970_29325_29325

it fit the stock holes?

subzali
11-07-2009, 02:14 PM
it fit perfect with the holes on mine. I don't think they've been modified. Jacket also got one from there and it fit with no modifications.

timmbuck2
11-07-2009, 02:57 PM
sweet, looks cool Matt! thanks

subzali
11-16-2009, 01:37 PM
Okay, so since I'm staying with this configuration for a bit my taillight lenses are kinda hanging out there and could get hit. In hit they both have been hit and are both broken. I have new OEM lenses ready to go on but don't want to put them on then break them again. Here's what I get when I go to MAF and try to look at their tail light protectors:
http://www.man-a-fre.com/pa/4plustaillightprotectors.htm

I like that design a lot but it looks like they don't make them anymore. Does anybody in the club have these that could take measurements, and is anybody ready/willing/able to reverse fab these bad boys? I think it's a good option...

corsair23
11-16-2009, 02:25 PM
Link doesn't work for me but are they the big rectangular tail light protectors?

Sort of like what SOR sells? --> http://www.sor.com/sor/cat239.tam?xax=4324

If so, I sold a brand new set of the SOR ones to Georg (orangeFJ45) on MUD a couple years ago so worse case if no one else has them you could PM Georg and I bet he could get you measurements. The guards were great and very stout but wouldn't work with my rear bumper :(

subzali
11-16-2009, 02:33 PM
no they're different.

farnhamstj
11-16-2009, 02:34 PM
Those lenses are pretty cheep. You can buy a few for the cost of those protector things. But I'm short sighted like that sometimes. Or maybe the price of the lenses has gone up. $12 i think.. I believe the replacement for my 100 was in the ballpark of $180. Ouch.

subzali
11-16-2009, 02:51 PM
Possibly. But if it could be fabricated on your own it would save money...

Good point though. Maybe I'll just throw them on and see how long they last.

EDIT: here's a picture of what I'm talking about...
http://www.man-a-fre.com/pa/pictures/40TLGAURD.jpg

corsair23
11-16-2009, 04:24 PM
EDIT: here's a picture of what I'm talking about...
http://www.man-a-fre.com/pa/pictures/40TLGAURD.jpg

I like that design better but honestly those don't seem to be stout enough to really protect the lights...Maybe the metal is thicker than it looks :confused: - Sure seems like it wouldn't take much of a hit for one of the edges to get folded in and bust up your tail light...

subzali
11-16-2009, 04:36 PM
they're heavier-duty than the ones SOR sells, at least that's what they claim...I don't know if anybody around here has any experience with them - I know some guys on MUD do and they seem to hold up well...just can't find their pictures/threads etc.

corsair23
11-16-2009, 04:51 PM
they're heavier-duty than the ones SOR sells, at least that's what they claim...I don't know if anybody around here has any experience with them - I know some guys on MUD do and they seem to hold up well...just can't find their pictures/threads etc.

Interesting...Not being able to see them in person I wouldn't believe it knowing how heavy/stout the SOR ones were...Wish I still had them to compare but IIRC the metal on the SOR ones was ~1/4" thick. They weighed a lot so I shipped them USPS flat rate IIRC. But not having real world experience with either though I'll defer to those that do. :hill:

subzali
11-18-2009, 12:29 PM
BUMP - does anybody have the MAF 4+ Plus style of taillight protector that could take pictures/measurements?

Thanks

Rezarf
11-19-2009, 12:06 PM
http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_6970_29325_29325

it fit the stock holes?

Yup...:thumb:

Rezarf
11-19-2009, 12:08 PM
...and for RS members,

shameless bump (http://www.risingsun4x4club.org/forum2/showthread.php?t=10715&highlight=pintel):thumb: