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RockRunner
03-08-2010, 07:22 AM
Just read I-70 is closed and will be for some time in the Glenwood Canyon area. I remember last time this happened and it was a pain to get through, one lane each way.

read this Semi-Sized Boulders Close I-70 (http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/22772068/detail.html?treets=den&tml=den_break&ts=T&tmi=den_break_1_08130103082010)

MDH33
03-08-2010, 07:26 AM
Dang. Is there an easy detour around to the other side of Glenwood Springs?

FJBRADY
03-08-2010, 07:27 AM
Dang. Is there an easy detour around to the other side of Glenwood Springs?

Nope

Chrispy
03-08-2010, 07:41 AM
it will add 2 hours to your trip, but you can jaunt south on 24 to 82 through snowmass.. very scenic drive...

chances are this will be reopened inside of 2 weeks tho, so it may be a moot point

FJBRADY
03-08-2010, 07:49 AM
chances are this will be reopened inside of 2 weeks tho, so it may be a moot point

There's a bunch of us traveling to Moab Thursday! :rant:

MDH33
03-08-2010, 07:55 AM
I guess maybe 285 to 50 to 550 up to Grand Junction.

bh4rnnr
03-08-2010, 07:57 AM
Worst case, could always go over McClure and cut through Gateway to get to Moab, would add some time onto the drive though....

FJBRADY
03-08-2010, 07:59 AM
I guess maybe 285 to 50 to 550 up to Grand Junction.

I too was thinking this route.

Might be a crazy question: Is Independence pass open?

wesintl
03-08-2010, 08:06 AM
that would be a no...

RockRunner
03-08-2010, 08:08 AM
I just want to Google maps and any way I try it, a different route adds 3-4 hours to our trip. I-25 to the spring to 50 is 10 hours. 285 to 50 equals 9.5 hours and any other way from I-70 equals 10 hours too. Hope they fix one of the lanes by Thursday. Last time they opened the westbound lanes to two way traffic and it was slow but not 10 hours slow.

Cross your fingers.

farnhamstj
03-08-2010, 08:23 AM
how about hwy131n or hwy9n to 40w (Craig) hwy13s into Riffle? not fast but open and not 10 hours.

nakman
03-08-2010, 08:30 AM
We could go up to Craig & back down in 7.75 hours... that's only 2 more hours according to Mapquest. Does anyone know if there's a shortcut between Radium and Meeker? If so that would cut out half of the top loop and shave it down a little further...

MDH33
03-08-2010, 08:33 AM
We could go up to Craig & back down in 7.75 hours... that's only 2 more hours according to Mapquest. Does anyone know if there's a shortcut between Radium and Meeker? If so that would cut out half of the top loop and shave it down a little further...

Between Radium and Meeker are the Flat Tops, so I don't think so.

Red_Chili
03-08-2010, 08:52 AM
We could go up to Craig & back down in 7.75 hours... that's only 2 more hours according to Mapquest.
9 hours 34 minutes per Googlemaps. I have found Googlemaps to be optimistic. There will be snow all week in the high country.

FJBRADY
03-08-2010, 08:56 AM
My question is which way (through Steamboat or down through Gunny) would carry more traffic thus slowing the speed creating a longer drive. I think either way is wash mileage wise.

MDH33
03-08-2010, 08:57 AM
We could go up to Craig & back down in 7.75 hours...

9 hours 34 minutes per Googlemaps. I have found Googlemaps to be optimistic. There will be snow all week in the high country.

Yep, same time as the 285 route 9.5 hours according to Google. 460 miles up through Craig, vs 438 miles down through Gunnison.

nakman
03-08-2010, 09:03 AM
So you guys think the best plan is just sit in traffic on I-70? I guess we've got until Thursday to decide, huh.

MDH33
03-08-2010, 09:16 AM
If I were going, I would take the 285 to 550 route. I did that all summer and never saw traffic. It would also be less mountain driving (except going over Monarch pass).

:twocents:

Have fun out in Moab! :beer:

RockRunner
03-08-2010, 09:17 AM
I would pass on the Steamboat route just because of Rabbits ear pass. If it is snowing that pass can be a pain. For those of you who are driving your own rig up that isn't that much of deal. I am towing and have a camper on the back so that adds to the problem.

I guess we should wait for an announcement Thursday morning, I bet they get one side open at least.

bh4rnnr
03-08-2010, 09:22 AM
Is Cotton Pass open during winter time? I know it's a county road....

nakman
03-08-2010, 09:37 AM
Is Cotton Pass open during winter time? I know it's a county road....

Cottonwood pass at Buena Vista? nope.. no winter maintenance on that one.

Caribou Sandstorm
03-08-2010, 09:44 AM
Cotton wood is closed till summer.

You could take 285 to 50 through Gunnison, then to Montrose.. At Montrose you could head to GJ about 2.5 hours to I70, then take 70 to Moab..that route total is about 9:11 hours...

Or you could take the scenic tour via Naturita into Spanish Valley..9:48...

These would be my choice, great views of the San Juans and La Salle's, but probably will be dark by then....

If to tired to continue, we could pull into the town camping site at Telluride, 12.00 per night, showers, beers in Telluirde Thursday night and pancakes at Maggie's before heading out to Moab via Naturita route...This would be a sick detour!!!!

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=Denver,+CO&daddr=Gunnison,+co+to:Naturita,+CO+to:Moab,+UT&hl=en&geocode=FRJfXgIdgQ---SnPFx8jqoBrhzHWNoon-PSOEQ%3B%3BFVQqRwIdgV-H-SmtGoGVUYY4hzHtgJxvPjjbVw%3BFQSVTAId8WZ4-SmNLbia5eFHhzEtxNXxerEyCw&mra=ls&sll=38.987065,-107.2678&sspn=2.630174,5.828247&ie=UTF8&ll=38.861098,-107.418823&spn=2.634771,5.828247&z=8

Hants
03-08-2010, 09:50 AM
Google maps shows just under 7 hours from my door to Moab via I70.

Going across the 50 to Grand Junction, then I70 to Moab is listed at 9 hours, 17 minutes.

Going across the 50 to Montrose, then the 90 to the 46 to 191 shows as 9 hours, 35 minutes.

Given that Area BFE is South of town, I suspect the last two options are essentially equivalent (on paper).

Does anyone have experience with the 90-46 route?

FJBRADY
03-08-2010, 09:54 AM
Google maps seams to add an hour to all routes vs. Mapquest? :confused:

bh4rnnr
03-08-2010, 09:58 AM
Cottonwood pass at Buena Vista? nope.. no winter maintenance on that one.

No not Cottonwood Pass, Cotton Pass, just south of the Canyon.

Caribou Sandstorm
03-08-2010, 10:04 AM
Yep, I have done this route Hants, in the summer to Telluride from Moab.

Pretty mellow route, meanders through the desert. Good road, two lane most of the way, as I remember it.

Might be your favorite route home from Moab after CM, Hants..

Cheeseman
03-08-2010, 10:19 AM
Morning Gents. Just did Crested Butte a couple of weeks ago. Gunnison alone is 4 hours from here. Another hour to Montrose. About another 1 1/2 hours to Gunnison. Then another 2 hours to Moab. So roughly 9 hours. And no beer breaks figured in I mean gas and the usual. Long day driving. I posted up my first message about this in the members only section. We just might wait and see if they might do the 2 lane thing or not.

With any note let me know what you folks are thinking of doing or not?

Moab has rain/snow mix for the next two days. So I will not be going out early as planned to start on the new trail. So with winches and a little know how can we do the continental divide on our own. Just asking.
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Hants
03-08-2010, 10:31 AM
If I70 is open, I'll go that way (now that I've got my exhaust sawzalled even more!).

If not, I'll probably do the due West route (50 to 90 to 46). If more are going this way, we could make a caravan out of it... :)

Red_Chili
03-08-2010, 10:43 AM
Gonna be a loooooong Thursday. And Sunday!
Wait and see is my strategy.









Then again... I love driving my truck, after all. Road trip. And there might be some opportunities to help a person or two if the snow is truly nasty.

nattybumppo
03-08-2010, 10:51 AM
There is a good graded dirt road from Eagle that goes over the Mesa and connects to the main road from Carbondale to Glenwood Springs about halfway in between. It should show on a decent map, and is less than an hour end to end. That wouldn't be too bad a detour, and it is not high so it should be open.

RockRunner
03-08-2010, 10:53 AM
It will make for a long drive if we need to take a detour. I do think that by Thursday they will at least have one lane open in both directions. If that is the case I will take that route and just be patient.

If not I am not sure what the best route will be for my rig while towing, I like to keep the road straight.

Like Bill said, wait and see.............I bet we'll hit I-70.

Red_Chili
03-08-2010, 10:55 AM
This one?
17531
That's Cottonwood. So it says!! But not where I expected it. TWO Cottonwoods?

timmbuck2
03-08-2010, 11:00 AM
If they do get a lane or 2 open by Wednesday night I may go late wednesday to hopefully miss a lot of the traffic...camp or hotel it and finish the drive Thursday morning...

nattybumppo
03-08-2010, 11:00 AM
That looks like it except a right turn somewhere on top brings you down closer to Glenwood, probably at "cattle creek". It looks like you pick it up at Gypsum by the map. It has been years since I drove it.

Cheeseman
03-08-2010, 11:08 AM
Just watched Channel 7 news. The hole is big enough for our trucks to fall thru. They are on the portion where it is overlapped top to bottom roadways. The only way we will get thru is if they go 2way or one lane on the eastbound side. CDOT is working on that one.

Like is being said, Wait and See.
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Red_Chili
03-08-2010, 11:09 AM
That looks like it except a right turn somewhere on top brings you down closer to Glenwood, probably at "cattle creek". It looks like you pick it up at Gypsum by the map. It has been years since I drove it.

Did you drive it in winter?

Red_Chili
03-08-2010, 11:17 AM
I see it. Looks like you take Cottonwood Pass Road (not THE Cottonwood west of Buena Vista) to Cty Rd 10A. Thence cty rd 113, thence to Cattle Creek on CO 82 and you are there.

nattybumppo
03-08-2010, 11:20 AM
I see it. Looks like you take Cottonwood Pass Road (not THE Cottonwood west of Buena Vista) to Cty Rd 10A. Thence cty rd 113, thence to Cattle Creek on CO 82 and you are there.

That would be it. I did not drive it in winter, but it might be worth a call to the county to see if it is maintained. The locals use it a lot cause it is way shorter than going around through Glenwood.

bh4rnnr
03-08-2010, 11:22 AM
This one?
17531
That's Cottonwood. So it says!! But not where I expected it. TWO Cottonwoods?

That be the one I was talkin bout:blah:

Could call Cdot to see if it's open in winter....

sno bored
03-08-2010, 11:37 AM
http://www.coloradodot.info/news/media-room.html

nattybumppo
03-08-2010, 11:46 AM
It wuld not be state maintained (CDOT no help) but would be either Eagle County, Garfield County, or maybe a little bit in Pitkin County. My guess would be Eagle county.

Romer
03-08-2010, 11:46 AM
So 40 north to Granby, over to steamboat and back down to Rifle looks like the defined detour

Hulk
03-08-2010, 11:47 AM
They need to call Corsair23 for this -- he has a 15,000 lb. winch! :D

nattybumppo
03-08-2010, 11:50 AM
They need to call Corsair23 for this -- he has a 15,000 lb. winch! :D

Looks like some fun to be had with high explosives!

wesintl
03-08-2010, 11:54 AM
http://www.coloradodot.info/news/media-room.html

sweet! that's going to be a while.

For the life of me I don't know why cdot doesn't employ some of the techniques used in europe. I guess the scenery is more important than a giant boulder crushing you to death at anytime. Lost time to users of the road not to mention the millions to fix it every year at this time when the boulders break loose. :confused::rant:

Rogue Leader
03-08-2010, 12:06 PM
This kinda put a hole in my plans today:D looks like I'm leaving tomorrow and heading south.

Sean

nakman
03-08-2010, 12:06 PM
http://www.coloradodot.info/news/media-room.html


Holy moly... get over there and patch that up, will ya Kevin? :)


http://www.coloradodot.info/news/documents/GlenwoodRockSlide2.jpg

http://www.coloradodot.info/news/documents/GlenwoodRockSlide4.jpg

Uncle Ben
03-08-2010, 12:17 PM
Holy moly... get over there and patch that up, will ya Kevin? :)


http://www.coloradodot.info/news/documents/GlenwoodRockSlide2.jpg

http://www.coloradodot.info/news/documents/GlenwoodRockSlide4.jpg

Hmmmm....maybe we can talk them into opening it as a challenge route! ;) :lmao:

Chrispy
03-08-2010, 12:28 PM
I-70 is not expected to open any time soon.

heh..

Chrispy
03-08-2010, 12:30 PM
For the life of me I don't know why cdot doesn't employ some of the techniques used in europe. I guess the scenery is more important than a giant boulder crushing you to death at anytime. Lost time to users of the road not to mention the millions to fix it every year at this time when the boulders break loose. :confused::rant:


i bet cdot bucks up for a few more 'falling rocks' signs tho...

Caribou Sandstorm
03-08-2010, 01:31 PM
That Boulder is way bigger then an 80...yikes..

They have to move it or blast it, then patch the highway, then make space for a lane?? I doubt they can work on all that and allow traffic to flow by Thursday....

I guess we will see what happens by Thursday afternoon but I am OK with taking the long road around. Doing 65 on the smaller roads, while more time consuming is a bit less stressful then busting it down 70..

I am still up for going. My hall pass is a non refundable one, so If I don't use it I lose it....:eek:

RockRunner
03-08-2010, 01:40 PM
Call Cdot direct and talk to these ladies;

Mindy Crane Nancy Shanks
CDOT Public Relations CDOT Public Relations
303-757-9469 (office) 970-749-3579
303-880-2136 (cell)

Romer
03-08-2010, 02:11 PM
With US 50 closed, motorists will now have to take SH 13 to US 40 as the detour for I-70. 23 minutes ago reply
ColoradoDOT US 50 is closed over Monarch Pass due to adverse conditions and multiple accidents. 29 minutes ago reply

corsair23
03-08-2010, 02:14 PM
I'd be more worried about the holes some of those suckers punched through the highway :eek:

I'd avoid the suggested Hwy 131 out of Wolcott up to Steamboat detour for anyone towing...IIRC the first part of that north of I70 is narrow, twisty, hilly, etc. with lots of blind corners. Pretty drive, but with a lot of detour traffic it could be sketchy.

If you want to go the Hwy 40 route but avoid Rabbits Ears you could look at Hwy 134 (just north of Kremmling) and then to Hwy 131 around Toponas. Decent 2 lane, good views, but might be more of a challenge if towing or in the snow...Took that one year when we stayed in Stage Coach (near Oak Creek) and I was breaking trail through ~1' of snow the whole way :D

http://extras.mnginteractive.com/live/media/site36/2010/0308/20100308__rebar~p1.jpg

gahi
03-08-2010, 02:32 PM
I'd do the 285-50-90/46-191 route. I've done that before its a nice drive, theres a steep, narrow switch-backy section coming out of Paradox. I dont think the Gateway-Castleton route is open yet.

Caribou Sandstorm
03-08-2010, 02:35 PM
This is turning into a real adventure!!

nakman
03-08-2010, 02:40 PM
Well the way I see it, I'm leaving work Thursday afternoon and I don't have to be back until Sunday night. Whatever happens in the interim is just details... I've got plenty of propane and propane accessories, let the adventure begin!

corsair23
03-08-2010, 02:41 PM
This is turning into a real adventure!!

Yeah :D - lots of county roads up around Yampa and Oak Creek that one might be able to take to shave off some of the additional mileage going north...No clue if they are maintained, dirt or blacktop, etc. Bummed I'm not going to be able go and join in the fun.

rover67
03-08-2010, 02:43 PM
Well the way I see it, I'm leaving work Thursday afternoon and I don't have to be back until Sunday night. Whatever happens in the interim is just details... I've got plenty of propane and propane accessories, let the adventure begin!

My thoughts exactly. Colorado Connection will be busy. We will have beer. It will be fun.

Caribou Sandstorm
03-08-2010, 03:07 PM
Hey Jeff,

what if the forcast snows/rains your daughter's sports out??

timmbuck2
03-08-2010, 03:09 PM
My thoughts exactly. Colorado Connection will be busy. We will have beer. It will be fun.

dang, I need to program all the repeaters in my HAM asap!!

corsair23
03-08-2010, 03:30 PM
Hey Jeff,

what if the forcast snows/rains your daughter's sports out??

Soccer possibly, indoor basketball tourney though isn't likely to be canceled :hill: - Silly kid has become a sports-aholic...No idea where she got that from...

nakman
03-08-2010, 03:42 PM
won't reopen "any time soon..."

Monday, March 8, 2010, 10:07am MST | Modified: Monday, March 8, 2010, 3:31pm

Major rockslide closes I-70 in Colorado's Glenwood CanyonDenver Business Journal - by Mark Harden

A large rockslide — including a boulder estimated at 66 tons — has blocked Interstate 70 in both directions through rugged Glenwood Canyon, closing the freeway between Dotsero and Glenwood Springs and severing a major east-west route across Colorado linking Denver to Grand Junction, the state Department of Transportation said Monday.

State officials said the road won’t reopen “any time soon,” and that it’ll take a couple of days to develop repair plans. There were no reported injuries.

The rockslide occurred about midnight Sunday near mile marker 125, just west of the Hanging Lake Tunnel, and left boulders and rocks scattered over an area the length of a football field, CDOT spokeswoman Stacey Stegman said.

“It is estimated that this slide brought 20 boulders onto the interstate, ranging in size from 3 feet to 10 feet in diameter,” she said in a statement. “The largest is estimated to weigh about 66 tons.

“The rocks have made holes in the elevated sections of roadway — the largest being in the westbound lanes (closest to the hillside) and measuring 20 feet by 10 feet,” Stegman added. “Another hole in the lower eastbound lanes measures 6 feet by 6 feet.”

The rockslide could have a major impact on freight movement across the state, depending on how long the closure continues, said Greg Fulton, president of the Colorado Motor Carriers Association, representing the trucking industry.

“It’s a very critical thoroughfare. We have a lot of trucks going every night to the West Slope. ... [And] you couldn’t ask for a worse point for this to happen,” Fulton said. “There isn’t an easy detour, You can’t just go a few miles out of your way.”

The biggest impact could be on the shipment of fuel and food from Denver to Western Slope gas stations, grocery stores and other businesses, Fulton said.

“In many cases, businesses are looking for a truck every day, so companies are going to have to adjust to it,” he said.

While the association and its members are still evaluating the situation and working out detours, the outcome of any sustained closure of the freeway is likely to be extra time and greater fuel costs for shipments, Fulton said.

Monday afternoon, CDOT geologists were investigating a large rock over the damaged freeway “that appears to be unstable,” spokeswoman Mindy Crane said.

“If the rock is determined to be unstable, CDOT will not reopen any lanes of I-70 until rockfall mitigation can be conducted,” Crane said in a statement. “Since the assessment will take several hours to complete, mitigation work will not take place until [Tuesday] as it will be unsafe to conduct the work at night. In the meantime, crews continue to blast the large boulders into smaller pieces for removal."

Stegman said that CDOT “will implement emergency contracting procedures and meet with contractors over the next couple of days as crews develop repair plans.”

An estimated 25,000 vehicles travel I-70 through sheer-walled Glenwood Canyon each day. The freeway is a major access route between Denver and Aspen-area ski resorts.

East-west traffic was being diverted to U.S. 40 through Steamboat Springs. Another would-be alternate, U.S. 50, was closed as of Monday afternoon at Monarch Pass “due to adverse conditions,” CDOT said.

A rockslide that blocked I-70 on Thanksgiving Day 2004 was in the same general area as Monday's fall, officials said, but rocks came from a different spot on the cliffs above.

denvernews@bizjournals.com

Beater
03-08-2010, 03:56 PM
i heard it took out a bridge. if so, NOT GOOD

rover67
03-08-2010, 04:00 PM
Man, I bet the traffic is ridiculous...

timmbuck2
03-08-2010, 04:03 PM
i heard it took out a bridge. if so, NOT GOOD

nah...didn't take it out. Just a 10 foot by 20 foot HOLE. :eek:

timmbuck2
03-08-2010, 04:08 PM
ok, Google Maps and Mapquest are usually pretty close to each other when they estimate driving times...but not with this route: 285 to 50 to Montrose, then up to grand Junction and over to 191 and down to Moab. They both agree on miles, 438 vs 439, but Google Maps says 9.5 hours and Mapquest says 7 hours 42 minutes. Almost 2 hours difference! Which one is closer to the truth??

Cheeseman
03-08-2010, 04:11 PM
I would say google cuz of gas, potty breaks, eating and just plain winter. Pure drive time probably closer to Mapquest.
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Caribou Sandstorm
03-08-2010, 04:19 PM
Well that sounds like a significant down time is eminent..

So which way are we going to convoy??

If we go the way Tim is thinking, we can pick up Hants on the way..He will be joining our route at Poncha Springs is my guess.

We can try the northern loop on the way home, so we can include some Kokopelli trail....

FJBRADY
03-08-2010, 04:20 PM
I would say google cuz of gas, potty breaks, eating and just plain winter. Pure drive time probably closer to Mapquest.

You are probably correct!

If I-70 is still closed I'm going 285....who's with me?

rover67
03-08-2010, 04:39 PM
dang, I need to program all the repeaters in my HAM asap!!

At least get the Colorado Connection repeaters in there, they'll be handy

nakman
03-08-2010, 04:51 PM
You are probably correct!

If I-70 is still closed I'm going 285....who's with me?

I'm actually leaning towards the northern route, thinking that's faster for some reason. But I'll roll with the flow, let's see what other info shakes loose this week.

Cheeseman
03-08-2010, 04:51 PM
Man now I gotta learn how to do that repeater stuff. this is getting more and more complicated.
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DaveInDenver
03-08-2010, 04:58 PM
Tell you what, the past two weekends US285 has been a skating rink from the bottom of the south side of Kenosha most of the way over to the north side of Red Hill Pass. This past Friday night average traffic speed was about 20MPG and plenty of cars still in the ditches. I would recommend US40 for sure... We came back from Monach on US50 through Canon City and up through the Springs rather than US285.

Romer
03-08-2010, 04:59 PM
Someone post up or text me how traffic was so I know what to avoid Friday.

FJBRADY
03-08-2010, 05:07 PM
Tell you what, the past two weekends US285 has been a skating rink from the bottom of the south side of Kenosha most of the way over to the north side of Red Hill Pass. This past Friday night average traffic speed was about 20MPG and plenty of cars still in the ditches. I would recommend US40 for sure... We came back from Monach on US50 through Canon City and up through the Springs rather than US285.

Thanks, Dave. Never been up US40 before so I am game. I would like to travel where the consensus is traveling because I will be driving the 40. :zilla:

RockRunner
03-08-2010, 05:08 PM
I prefer 285 but after what Dave had to say maybe not. I think it would be a good thing for people to list what way they are going just incase.

timmbuck2
03-08-2010, 05:12 PM
sounds like I will be a guinea pig...I am leaving wednesday night...will post here what I find

nakman
03-08-2010, 05:12 PM
Man now I gotta learn how to do that repeater stuff. this is getting more and more complicated.

Boy if only someone were to post up a master call sign list and list of all the Colorado Connection repeaters (http://www.risingsun4x4club.org/forum2/announcement.php?f=6) In Excel format so you could print that out and put it in your truck that sure would be handy. Oh wait. :D

FJBRADY
03-08-2010, 05:16 PM
Boy if only someone were to post up a master call sign list and list of all the Colorado Connection repeaters (http://www.risingsun4x4club.org/forum2/announcement.php?f=6) In Excel format so you could print that out and put it in your truck that sure would be handy. Oh wait. :D

Dated...........

Uncle Ben
03-08-2010, 05:29 PM
Boy if only someone were to post up a master call sign list and list of all the Colorado Connection repeaters (http://www.risingsun4x4club.org/forum2/announcement.php?f=6) In Excel format so you could print that out and put it in your truck that sure would be handy. Oh wait. :D

Repeater list is no longer on it and is that up to date?

rover67
03-08-2010, 05:32 PM
http://www.colcon.org/repeaters.html

nakman
03-08-2010, 06:04 PM
Repeater list is no longer on it and is that up to date?

Repeater list looks ok to me, has it changed? I agree the call sign list is very dated.. hey better than nothing.

Rock Dog
03-08-2010, 06:16 PM
Perry,
You cannot go over McClure going westbound, because it is just after the tunnel in Glenwood canyon that the slide happened....

For those going eastbound, they could simply turn south out of Grandjunction, and head toward Gunnison to get back to 285 "THE LONG WAY".....

Worst case, could always go over McClure and cut through Gateway to get to Moab, would add some time onto the drive though....

Gmann
03-08-2010, 06:19 PM
Well, I hope to spend only 3hrs traveling to Moab with my solution. I may need to call in a few favors though.
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Cheeseman
03-08-2010, 06:35 PM
that is good Brent.

Reminds me of a 95' aerial platform I sold to the firedepartment that covered the airport in Hartford, CT. Our factory was in Richmond, Va. This truck weighed about 68,000 lbs mind you. One of the people on their committee was the loadmaster on a C-5 galaxy transport. Hope I got the designation right. Anyway his wish was that they need practice loading and transporting different items and he wanted to fly down to Norfolk, VA to "practice". Problem was we missed the scheduled deliverydate by 1 week so I missed my chance.
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Rock Dog
03-08-2010, 06:48 PM
I never saw a followup post about Cottonwood..... I have taken that desolate road in the summer, but never in the winter... it is REALLY remote, and flat up there so i suspect Drifting could be an issue if not well maintained....

Anyone heard? that would save a big long detour...

Air Randy
03-08-2010, 07:29 PM
Since were on the South end of town I'm thinking I-25 to Hwy 24 to Buena Vista, then pick up 50 to Montrose and on in to GJ and then Moab.

Whats the long range forecast for weather in the mountains for Thursday?

I took the week off and my daughter has worked for 2 months to arrange baby sitters for this trip, so were going no matter what.

Damn the boulders! Full speed ahead!

sleeoffroad
03-08-2010, 08:05 PM
Man, this is a mess. I am supposed to deliver a truck in GJ and also pick one up. I am not really keen to take a trailer behind the Chevy via all those detours with snow on the ground. The southern route is slow and Monarch pass sucks. Done that with the motorhome in the summer. Not sure how that is going to be with all the west bound traffic suddenly on the same route.

North, might be better, but I do not know that route all that well. Really would like to be there for the planning, but right now not sure how it is going to pan out.

What about 24 from Minturn to Salida/Poncha Springs? However would still have to deal with Monarch pass.

wesintl
03-08-2010, 08:10 PM
one time i'm not jealous of you guys going to moab :D

Caribou Sandstorm
03-08-2010, 08:12 PM
I am not on that list, but all the information is helpful..

Maybe we could update it, I thought Nathaniel had an updated list?

Tim, you gotta be careful Wednesdy night. That is when the mountains and Denver are going to get hammered. Thursday looks like a break in the storm. Be carfeul, they don't plow Monarch Pass like they do the summit county passes..Monarch, has like one plow for both East and West bound..

Also when you get to the bottom of the west side of Monarch, it is deer central.. So you gotta be cool through there or your going to get a venison grille badge! Red bull and sun flower seeds are the magic bullet.

Rezarf
03-08-2010, 08:16 PM
Man, I was supposed to be in Breck for work tomorrow, with a day at Copper Mtn. think I can still get there? I am assuming so.

Thanks!

farnhamstj
03-08-2010, 08:18 PM
north on 9 is an easier drive than us40 imo. Cottonwood is closed in the winter.

bh4rnnr
03-08-2010, 08:21 PM
Perry,
You cannot go over McClure going westbound, because it is just after the tunnel in Glenwood canyon that the slide happened....

For those going eastbound, they could simply turn south out of Grandjunction, and head toward Gunnison to get back to 285 "THE LONG WAY".....

Yeah, realized that after I posted it, seemed to good to be true:rolleyes:

I never saw a followup post about Cottonwood..... I have taken that desolate road in the summer, but never in the winter... it is REALLY remote, and flat up there so i suspect Drifting could be an issue if not well maintained....

Anyone heard? that would save a big long detour...

Maps have it listed as Cotton Pass, why is everyone calling it Cottonwood? Was going to call the county tonight but worked late. You'd think they'd keep this route maint. since it was one of the other routes suggested for I-70. Instead, they just picked a canyon with lots of falling rocks....

Uncle Ben
03-08-2010, 09:16 PM
Maps have it listed as Cotton Pass, why is everyone calling it Cottonwood? Was going to call the county tonight but worked late. You'd think they'd keep this route maint. since it was one of the other routes suggested for I-70. Instead, they just picked a canyon with lots of falling rocks....

Because it is Cottonwood Pass.

corsair23
03-08-2010, 09:52 PM
Man, I was supposed to be in Breck for work tomorrow, with a day at Copper Mtn. think I can still get there? I am assuming so.

Thanks!

Shouldn't be a problem Drew...Traffic might even be lighter heading up I70 with people trying alternates to get across the state :D

Corbet
03-09-2010, 07:43 AM
Anyone look into the south route through Durango. its 2.5 hours to Moab from Durango and BFE is on the south side of Moab. Might be worth a look on your mapquests. 10 miles south of town added you your routes and removed from mine will equal 20 minutes of time save. But you'll miss out on a pit stop in Moab for any last minute supplies. But thats OK the beer is better in Durango anyway.

Also anyone looking at the HWY 46/90 route. That road is good and maintained in the winter. But slow moving 2 lane road with a lot of curves. You can not make good time on that but it is pretty.

wesintl
03-09-2010, 07:45 AM
Because it is Cottonwood Pass.

there is a cottonwood pass that goes from gypsum to carbondale. not the well known cottonwood pass to taylor park.

Hants
03-09-2010, 08:00 AM
Just re-ran the routes using Google Maps.

All routes are from my doorstep (Monument, CO) to the entrance of Area BFE (about 10 miles South of Moab).

482 Miles, 8:59 via Durango
378 Miles, 8:17 via Naturita
444 Miles, 8:38 via Montrose/Fruita

For reference, 424 Miles, 7:15 via I70 (pretty accurate)

wesintl
03-09-2010, 08:03 AM
that naturita route is really nice to lasal junction.

nakman
03-09-2010, 08:14 AM
Yeah this blows... I'm still leaning north, since it's the CDOT recommended route, that implies to me that the roads will all be plowed and in good condition, I'm sure the traffic will be heavy but hopefully it's moving.

zgcruiser
03-09-2010, 08:15 AM
Hey Guys,
I live in Glenwood Springs about 10 clicks from the rock slides and have plenty of friends in the know.. I will keep you up to date with info i hear.. as far as Cottonwood Pass (Gypsum to Carbondale-Castle Creek area) that is closed for sure.. They are blasting one more boulder off the hillside today and should be able to start accessing damages and repair estimates! Fortunately I live on the Moab side of the slide! But no trips to the front range for me for awhile!

nakman
03-09-2010, 08:23 AM
Hey, thanks ZG! Yeah let us know if there's anything new, cool. :cool:

Guys what do you think of this: anyone ever driven 14 from Ft. Collins to Steamboat? Presuming traffic in the I-70 corridor, then up to Kremmling is going to be kinda rough, this takes us out of most of that.. I've never been up that way but I know we could be in Ft. Collins relatively quickly and uneventfully from the north side here...

Romer
03-09-2010, 08:25 AM
For reference, 424 Miles, 7:15 via I70 (pretty accurate)

So If i make it to Moab in 5.5 hours from my house and its about 40 minutes from my door to yours, I can shave an hour off the other estimates because I "Optimize my speed":D.

Probably harder to do in that terrain though

FJBRADY
03-09-2010, 08:28 AM
Hey Guys,
I live in Glenwood Springs about 10 clicks from the rock slides and have plenty of friends in the know.. I will keep you up to date with info i hear.. as far as Cottonwood Pass (Gypsum to Carbondale-Castle Creek area) that is closed for sure.. They are blasting one more boulder off the hillside today and should be able to start accessing damages and repair estimates! Fortunately I live on the Moab side of the slide! But no trips to the front range for me for awhile!


That would be huge as most of us are not leaving until Thursday! I did hear the same about additional debris needing to come down in order to deem the road safe. I think today will be the turning point as to when they can forcast the East bound lanes to be open both ways. I also heard the majority of the weather in the next few days will effect parts south of I-70.

Any inside info you can add would be great. :thumb:

Hants
03-09-2010, 08:28 AM
Just for more reference, Google Maps has the "official" route at:

529 Miles, 10:22

That adds just over 3 hours to my "normal" I70 route (before accounting for traffic).

The Naturita route adds about 1 hour over the "normal" route.

My mental math (known to be suspect), for those coming from Denver is that +1 hour to get here, +1 hour via Naturita will be shorter than +3+ hours via the "official route".

FJBRADY
03-09-2010, 08:30 AM
The Naturita route adds about 1 hour over the "normal" route.



Where is Naturita?

Hants
03-09-2010, 08:30 AM
So If i make it to Moab in 5.5 hours from my house and its about 40 minutes from my door to yours, I can shave an hour off the other estimates because I "Optimize my speed":D.

Probably harder to do in that terrain though

Yeah, you're "blown"! :lmao:

Probably won't make much difference driving over the I70 versus the 50 for me (roughly the same average speed) -- not that Google knows that!

Hants
03-09-2010, 08:32 AM
Where is Naturita?

West of Montrose, on the 90.

Caribou Sandstorm
03-09-2010, 08:45 AM
Tim N. is that a paved road over that mountain section?

I am still leaning toward a southern route and catching up with Hants.

If the northern route is the Cdot recommended, I am kind of worried about the speed of that route..But that is probably the flattest route between the north and south routes..

I am hoping the southern route will be the road less traveled and while a bit longer, might provide better traffic flow. Total guess at this point.

rover67
03-09-2010, 08:54 AM
check this out... you can view the camera streaming video at the repair site at www.cotrip.org

I kinda think the north rout will be busy too since it is the recommended route... The traffic on i-70 looks surprisingly light given that it should all be slowing down on all that 2 lane.

Corbet
03-09-2010, 09:20 AM
Just re-ran the routes using Google Maps.

All routes are from my doorstep (Monument, CO) to the entrance of Area BFE (about 10 miles South of Moab).

482 Miles, 8:59 via Durango
378 Miles, 8:17 via Naturita
444 Miles, 8:38 via Montrose/Fruita

For reference, 424 Miles, 7:15 via I70 (pretty accurate)

With that info I'd definitely got the Naturita route. HWY 90/46 is slow but the savings in distance looks worth it. The one time I drove it was at night, winter, during storm, 2WD Dodge 1500. I had no issues. Those of you with trailers should not be to worried. Just be aware of tight curves and switchbacks. Also if your traveling through after 5pm don't plan on a fuel stop after Ridgeway. Its been 7 years since, but I do remember getting worried about fuel and rolling into Ridgeway on fumes.(coming from Moab) Maybe things have changed and one of the small towns got a pay at the pump and jumped into the 90's

The thing about taking the CDot recommended route is all the big rig traffic will be there too. I'd personally much rather deal with a little weather than that circus of Rabbit Ears and what ever else lies in the middle.

DaveInDenver
03-09-2010, 09:31 AM
Tim N. is that a paved road over that mountain section?

I am still leaning toward a southern route and catching up with Hants.

If the northern route is the Cdot recommended, I am kind of worried about the speed of that route..But that is probably the flattest route between the north and south routes..

I am hoping the southern route will be the road less traveled and while a bit longer, might provide better traffic flow. Total guess at this point.
I think CDOT recommends the US40 route because it's easier to keep safe and open. US285 through South Park is sporadically icy in good conditions and with any fresh snow and wind it's a just about impassable around Jefferson and Como. With I-70 closed US285 is going to be brutally slow on weekends.

timmbuck2
03-09-2010, 09:42 AM
OK what about the trip back on Sunday? With the US40 detour plus ski traffic, I-70 would be about a 12 drive from Moab????

Hants
03-09-2010, 09:55 AM
With that info I'd definitely got the Naturita route. HWY 90/46 is slow but the savings in distance looks worth it. The one time I drove it was at night, winter, during storm, 2WD Dodge 1500. I had no issues. Those of you with trailers should not be to worried. Just be aware of tight curves and switchbacks. Also if your traveling through after 5pm don't plan on a fuel stop after Ridgeway. Its been 7 years since, but I do remember getting worried about fuel and rolling into Ridgeway on fumes.(coming from Moab) Maybe things have changed and one of the small towns got a pay at the pump and jumped into the 90's

The thing about taking the CDot recommended route is all the big rig traffic will be there too. I'd personally much rather deal with a little weather than that circus of Rabbit Ears and what ever else lies in the middle.

Thanks for the heads-up. I'll plan on topping up in Montrose.

RockRunner
03-09-2010, 10:08 AM
Do we know what type of roads are on the Natruta route? I would expect two lane highway, if so it may be slow going if you get behind a row of trucks. I would like to fine 4 lane roads as much as possible. Do you think that route will be plowed or is it more of a forgotten route?

My biggest problem is that I am towing the trailer and have my full size camper on the truck.

PS I think Randy is going to bring his Ham radio. Not sure if he has a call sign or not but if you hear one of us calling please answer. we'll only use it for emergencies but ...........

I have a HT but it will only got to 146.145 not .146 so I don't think it will work. I'll bring it so that somebody can look at it and see if it can be changed, very old from 80Lolux4x4.

nakman
03-09-2010, 10:13 AM
Tim N. is that a paved road over that mountain section?

I am still leaning toward a southern route and catching up with Hants.

If the northern route is the Cdot recommended, I am kind of worried about the speed of that route..But that is probably the flattest route between the north and south routes..

I am hoping the southern route will be the road less traveled and while a bit longer, might provide better traffic flow. Total guess at this point.


Chris yes it's paved, but it's mostly 2-lane, just like most of 285 and 50 will be. My only real motive behind going up there is the hope that fewer people will be going up there.. 285 traffic can suck even when I-70 is open, can't imagine how bad it will be now, particularly on Sunday coming back.

RockRunner
03-09-2010, 10:17 AM
Chris yes it's paved, but it's mostly 2-lane, just like most of 285 and 50 will be. My only real motive behind going up there is the hope that fewer people will be going up there.. 285 traffic can suck even when I-70 is open, can't imagine how bad it will be now, particularly on Sunday coming back.

You can hit I-25 to 50 and skip 285 all together.

wesintl
03-09-2010, 10:26 AM
I don't know what the big deal with you guys and rabbit ears is. that's an easy pass. hardly any switchbacks compared to monarch.so there is snow on the top..

Red_Chili
03-09-2010, 10:30 AM
I am inclined to be a contrarian (don't follow the herd). The herd is going through Steamboat, would be my guess. The Naturita route has its attractions, chief among them, 100 fewer miles.

HOWEVER... the wild card is the snow. I would throw all the time estimates out the window. And we will certainly be doing Naturita and the LaSals very late Thursday, or the wee hours of Friday.

Red_Chili
03-09-2010, 10:35 AM
You can hit I-25 to 50 and skip 285 all together.
You can also jump off at C Springs, go through Penrose, and jump on 24. Per Googlemaps that adds 30 or so minutes over straight 285. And that does not account for the blowing snow/ice scenario in South Park. That could add hours.

The southern routes are almost certainly going to be hit with less rerouted traffic. By my thinking at least.
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The bad thing is... I figure 60 gal. of gas. This is getting expensive.

Corbet
03-09-2010, 10:40 AM
Do we know what type of roads are on the Natruta route? I would expect two lane highway, if so it may be slow going if you get behind a row of trucks. I would like to fine 4 lane roads as much as possible. Do you think that route will be plowed or is it more of a forgotten route?

My biggest problem is that I am towing the trailer and have my full size camper on the truck.



The only 4 lane road west is I-70 all the way. Everything else will have some 2 lane. HWY 40 to Craig will have the most 4 Lane but also the tractor trailer traffic. Which will make it feel like a 2 lane anyway. Especially it there is any snow.

Skip 285 out of Denver, take I-70 to Copper, through Leadville and catch 285 down at Johnson Village. Then 50 over Monarch and through Naturita. I travel those roads regualarly and never run into traffic. Snow removal is generally good too. This clousure may change that a little but generally it is wide open HWY. I've flat towed my 40, trailered the 60, and towed my overload M101a this route with the exception of Monarch (I take Wolf Creek to the south) with no issue. Monarch can't be any worse than Wolf Creek Pass.

FJBRADY
03-09-2010, 10:41 AM
I like this map....avoids 285.

nakman
03-09-2010, 10:50 AM
You can also jump off at C Springs, go through Penrose, and jump on 24. Per Googlemaps that adds 30 or so minutes over straight 285. And that does not account for the blowing snow/ice scenario in South Park. That could add hours.

The southern routes are almost certainly going to be hit with less rerouted traffic. By my thinking at least.
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The bad thing is... I figure 60 gal. of gas. This is getting expensive.

So Bill is that still in the 9 hour range per the calculation? Looks like a good route to me too..

wesintl
03-09-2010, 10:54 AM
Skip 285 out of Denver, take I-70 to Copper, through Leadville and catch 285 down at Johnson Village. Then 50 over Monarch and through Naturita. I travel those roads regualarly and never run into traffic. Snow removal is generally good too. This clousure may change that a little but generally it is wide open HWY. I've flat towed my 40, trailered the 60, and towed my overload M101a this route with the exception of Monarch (I take Wolf Creek to the south) with no issue. Monarch can't be any worse than Wolf Creek Pass.

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Red_Chili
03-09-2010, 11:03 AM
So Bill is that still in the 9 hour range per the calculation? Looks like a good route to me too..
9 hours 8 minutes per Googlemaps. For what that's worth. With snow and rerouted traffic this could take 10, or 11, or (maybe) more hours. Depending.

Now that I compare, the Copper route takes 1 more minute than the Penrose route. I think it comes down to where the brunt of the snow hits. There is just something more psychologically appealing about heading up to the mountains (Copper) rather than heading down to Pueblo (Penrose)... :lmao:

nakman
03-09-2010, 11:33 AM
Ok I'm good with that- so Copper to Leadville to Monarch pass it is then... unless they open up I-70 to 2-lane traffic by Thursday.

corsair23
03-09-2010, 12:15 PM
Now that I compare, the Copper route takes 1 more minute than the Penrose route. I think it comes down to where the brunt of the snow hits. There is just something more psychologically appealing about heading up to the mountains (Copper) rather than heading down to Pueblo (Penrose)... :lmao:

Just food for thought...

I've done the Hwy 50 to Ouray route a couple times and the only part that really sucks in the area through the canyon/gorge (twisty, narrow, like Hwy 6 out of Golden to Central City). Getting to that area, and then after that, is pretty easy going. Weather down that way tends to be less severe IMO for those towing but you have the canyon twisties to deal with.

One thought about heading up I70 to Hwy 24 and then south is that I suspect the majority of people and truckers with be doing the same, at least to Silverthorne and things might start getting backed up. So even with the potential for going a little slower through the canyon you might save time avoiding the traffic on I70.

Then again, with the I70 closure you might be dealing with mostly semis only anyway and my guess is that most of them with be taking the Hwy 9/Hwy 40 through Steamboat route. If it were me I'd be avoiding that way. Even in good weather and normal traffic that route can get backed up with just a few slow moving vehicles. Throw in some caravaning semis and I'd rather go up to 80, across Wyoming, and then back down :eek:

I'm with Wes though...I'm not so jealous anymore of you guys going to Moab now :hill:

Hants
03-09-2010, 12:19 PM
I'm with Wes though...I'm not so jealous anymore of you guys going to Moab now :hill:

The worst day Cruis'n is better than the best day work'n... :D:lmao:

Caribou Sandstorm
03-09-2010, 12:48 PM
Ok sounds like I will do the copper route also, we are all going to meet up somwehre along this route, maybe dinner in Gunnison or Montrose??

timmbuck2
03-09-2010, 12:57 PM
dang....

wesintl
03-09-2010, 01:06 PM
Geologists and CDOT crews are turning their attention Tuesday to another massive boulder which they fear could cause even more damage. This boulder is said to be as large as a mid-sized car, roughly 20 feet in diameter. Geologists arrived at the scene Monday afternoon and spent hours hiking up the mountain to inspect the boulder and determine if it was unstable. They will continuing working Tuesday to assess the safety issues around the boulder and decide if it should be blasted in an effort to remove it from the canyon walls.

CDOT says if the geologists determine the rock is unstable, it will be unable to reopen any lanes of I-70 until mitigation work can be conducted. Stegman has stopped short of giving a specific reopen date
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Romer
03-09-2010, 01:19 PM
It's just a flesh wound

nakman
03-09-2010, 01:21 PM
c'mon.. move that white truck out of the way and we can get around there easy!

FJBRADY
03-09-2010, 01:30 PM
It's on the shoulder for crying out loud!

Chrispy
03-09-2010, 01:38 PM
definitely a union job.

- one guy to drill the hole on the rock
- one engineer to ensure the hole is drilled correctly on the rock
- one supervisor to supervise operations on the rock
- one safety officer to ensure OSHA and other regulations are adhered to when drilling the rock
- one aire transfer engineer to ensure the hose doesnt get tangles
- one traffic control engineer to control traffic (on the closed highway), bright yellow outfit
- one communications officer leaning against the railing looking at his cell phone
- one scene supervisor behind the white truck
- one co driver in the passenger door of white truck.

http://www.coloradodot.info/news/documents/GlenwoodRockSlide6.jpg

FJBRADY
03-09-2010, 01:46 PM
definitely a union job.

- one guy to drill the hole on the rock
- one engineer to ensure the hole is drilled correctly on the rock
- one supervisor to supervise operations on the rock
- one safety officer to ensure OSHA and other regulations are adhered to when drilling the rock
- one aire transfer engineer to ensure the hose doesnt get tangles
- one traffic control engineer to control traffic (on the closed highway), bright yellow outfit
- one communications officer leaning against the railing looking at his cell phone
- one scene supervisor behind the white truck
- one co driver in the passenger door of white truck.

http://www.coloradodot.info/news/documents/GlenwoodRockSlide6.jpg

Or a good Polish joke!

Red_Chili
03-09-2010, 02:04 PM
Good news... talked to my boss. We agreed that endangering myself by a midnight run, on icy two-lane unfamiliar to me, with deer, when dog tired after a day of working and then driving, maybe would prove to not be among my better decisions.

I have Thursday off. Planning on leaving about 8 or 9 at the latest.

FJBRADY
03-09-2010, 02:06 PM
Good news... talked to my boss. We agreed that endangering myself by a midnight run, on icy two-lane unfamiliar to me, with deer, when dog tired after a day of working and then driving, maybe would prove to not be among my better decisions.

I have Thursday off. Planning on leaving about 8 or 9 at the latest.

Niiiiiice work Bill, :thumb:

RockRunner
03-09-2010, 02:20 PM
Good news... talked to my boss. We agreed that endangering myself by a midnight run, on icy two-lane unfamiliar to me, with deer, when dog tired after a day of working and then driving, maybe would prove to not be among my better decisions.

I have Thursday off. Planning on leaving about 8 or 9 at the latest.

Randy and I are looking at about the same time. We will be stopping in the springs to pick up his daughter and her husband, load up their truck and we will be on our way.

We'll try to keep up with you :D NOT!!!

Hants
03-09-2010, 02:23 PM
I plan on leaving around 2pm.

Romer
03-09-2010, 02:26 PM
Anybody heading out Friday morning when I am going?

wesintl
03-09-2010, 02:29 PM
can't they just push the rock back over tho hole? it will also serve as mitigation as more rocks try to fall onto the road :lmao:

nakman
03-09-2010, 02:52 PM
rock stacker.

FJBRADY
03-09-2010, 03:08 PM
I am leaving noonish. If I-70 is still closed I will be going south on I-25 through the Springs and picking up 50 in Canyon City west to Montrose then up and over the LaSal's

Hants you will probably catch up to me.....look out for a loaded down white FJ40.

Who ever get's there early make sure to have :beer: ready.:thumb:

timmbuck2
03-09-2010, 03:25 PM
getting better....

Corbet
03-09-2010, 04:13 PM
rock stacker.

:lmao::lmao::lmao:

rockcrawlincandi
03-09-2010, 04:22 PM
I am watching the news now and they said they should have the mess cleared by the weekend. I know this is a few days short of those leaving Wednesday, Thursday, or Friday for the Pre-Run. However, hopefully when you return the mess will be cleared.

nakman
03-09-2010, 05:12 PM
I am watching the news now and they said they should have the mess cleared by the weekend. I know this is a few days short of those leaving Wednesday, Thursday, or Friday for the Pre-Run. However, hopefully when you return the mess will be cleared.

Cool, thanks! I agree, that would be sweet for the drive home, even if it's a 2 hour traffic delay for 2-lane traffic (which it won't be) it'll still be faster.

Gmann
03-09-2010, 05:39 PM
Heads up. Monarch Pass is currently closed for avalanche control. Expected to be only 2-3hr delay. Keep an eye on it. Hope and pray, the stars start to aline for us rather than against!!!

zgcruiser
03-09-2010, 05:58 PM
So guys I just got a call from dispatch and they are saying that the canyon is open for emergency vehicles.. why is this good news for u guys? Because it means that there is a chance that in the next day or so they could open at least one way of the canyon!! Hopefully I get a call on the other side of the canyon and will be able to check out the damage in person!

nattybumppo
03-09-2010, 06:44 PM
I checked with the mayor. He said I can't escort you guys in my "cruiser" and call it emergency traffic.

zgcruiser
03-09-2010, 07:09 PM
I checked with the mayor. He said I can't escort you guys in my "cruiser" and call it emergency traffic.

LOL same here!

waggoner5
03-09-2010, 07:34 PM
Why not postpone the trip until next weekend?

Corbet
03-09-2010, 07:38 PM
Why not postpone the trip until next weekend?

For me personally I probably could not blow off work next weekend like I'm able to this weekend. I'm guessing that for a lot of people changing their work schedule last minute could prove difficult.

RockRunner
03-09-2010, 07:42 PM
Does everybody have their F.E.A.T tags? We are emergency personnel:rolleyes:, gotta fairy the sick from Vail to Glenwood Springs.......yeah that's it the sick people:D

RockRunner
03-09-2010, 07:43 PM
Why not postpone the trip until next weekend?

Next week would have worked much better for me but I don't think the Trail Boss can make it.

Caribou Sandstorm
03-09-2010, 07:58 PM
I am good with keeping it this weekend. I am getting packed up and loading the rig, the hall pass is burning a hole in my pocket....

sleeoffroad
03-09-2010, 08:02 PM
Why not postpone the trip until next weekend?

That would work better for me as well. Maybe we need to do the scouting / planning meeting then? Just a thought?

bh4rnnr
03-09-2010, 08:05 PM
I am good with keeping it this weekend. I am getting packed up and loading the rig, the hall pass is burning a hole in my pocket....

Thanks for reminding me of the good things of single life, think I might go grab a cold one (who needs folded laundry anyway:hill:).

Cheeseman
03-09-2010, 09:15 PM
the following weekend is the marathon. It is very difficult to work Moab when this event is on. We had to last year I believe and it sucked. Besides there are alot of hall passes on the board this weekend.
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Hants
03-10-2010, 04:42 AM
No way I can do it next weekend.

Look'n forward to the adventure! :)

sleeoffroad
03-10-2010, 07:02 AM
OK, finally figured this out. Will see you guys in Moab. :beer:

Anyone want to join me on the Amtrak to Grand Junction. 8 hrs, $164 for roundtrip. Pick up a cheap rental car / or borrow car in GJ and then shoot to Moab. Should be there early evening. Enough luggage allowance to bring camping gear. Can work on the train and not stress about traffic.

Brilliant (or sucks if there are delays, but does not show to be affected)

Here is the schedule. Service: 6 California Zephyr
Duration: 8 hr, 15 min

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Denver, CO (DEN) to Grand Junction, CO (GJT)
12-MAR-10; 8:05 am - 12-MAR-10; 3:57 pm
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Service: 5 California Zephyr
Duration: 7 hr, 52 min

<Departs>
Denver, CO (DEN)
12-MAR-10; 8:05 am

<Arrives>
Grand Junction, CO (GJT)
12-MAR-10; 3:57 pm

<Seat(s)/Room(s)>
1 Lower Level Coach Seat

Amenities: Checked baggage,
Lounge,
Dining car,
Onboard wheelchair ramp
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Grand Junction, CO (GJT) to Denver, CO (DEN)
14-MAR-10; 11:03 am - 14-MAR-10; 7:18 pm
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Service: 6 California Zephyr
Duration: 8 hr, 15 min

<Departs>
Grand Junction, CO (GJT)
14-MAR-10; 11:03 am

<Arrives>
Denver, CO (DEN)
14-MAR-10; 7:18 pm

<Seat(s)/Room(s)>
1 Lower Level Coach Seat

Romer
03-10-2010, 07:24 AM
I'll see you there. Have a flat car for my truck and trailer :D

gahi
03-10-2010, 07:29 AM
If the cost didnt matter, you could just go above the mess:D
fly to Moab - $279 rt from DIA
pick your rental FJ Cruiser or Rubicon and hit the trails.

Uncle Ben
03-10-2010, 07:30 AM
OK, finally figured this out. Will see you guys in Moab. :beer:

Anyone want to join me on the Amtrak to Grand Junction. 8 hrs, $164 for roundtrip. Pick up a cheap rental car / or borrow car in GJ and then shoot to Moab. Should be there early evening. Enough luggage allowance to bring camping gear. Can work on the train and not stress about traffic.

Brilliant (or sucks if there are delays, but does not show to be affected)



Christo, That is an awesome ride but a warning. Amtrak in Colorado is rarely on time and often hours late! Problem comes from Burlington Northern owning the rails and having priority. I surprised my wife with tickets to Glenwood last fall for our Anniversary. I was blown away by the lack of interest at Amtrak to even remotely be on time and professional! I would ride the train again but it has to be a leisure trip with minimal expectations!

sleeoffroad
03-10-2010, 07:32 AM
If the cost didnt matter, you could just go above the mess:D
fly to Moab - $279 rt from DIA
pick your rental FJ Cruiser or Rubicon and hit the trails.

Tickets I looked at was $209 one way. Where did you get $279?

sleeoffroad
03-10-2010, 07:33 AM
Christo, That is an awesome ride but a warning. Amtrak in Colorado is rarely on time and often hours late! Problem comes from Burlington Northern owning the rails and having priority. I surprised my wife with tickets to Glenwood last fall for our Anniversary. I was blown away by the lack of interest at Amtrak to even remotely be on time and professional! I would ride the train again but it has to be a leisure trip with minimal expectations!

I figured that was a probability, but then again, so is the stacked up traffic on both alternate routes plus possible snow / avalanche closures. If I get late into GJ then I will get a hotel and stay and leave early morning. I just have to be in Moab for Sat.

gahi
03-10-2010, 07:42 AM
Tickets I looked at was $209 one way. Where did you get $279?

That's just what I remembered from last time I checked, they must have come down. That's getting closer to being reasonable. It works really well for people coming from farther away then Denver. Then its just another stop and the price is nearly the same as any other trip.

Edit: OH, ONE WAY? that is crazy! They fly if they have passengers or not, its part of a Federal Commuter program.

It looks like if you book it far enough in advance its around the $270 RT

Corbet
03-10-2010, 07:43 AM
I've ridden Amtrak and have had good luck with schedules. So I would not worry too much about it. Could go either way. Better stay out of the lounge car if you want to get any work done. The scenery is pretty good out the window. Also when going through the Mofat Tunnel the track is very rough and they don't allow you to change cars. So make sure your where you want to be before that. Its not a long wait but you wold not want to be without :beer: for too long :lmao:

Chrispy
03-10-2010, 08:38 AM
So guys I just got a call from dispatch and they are saying that the canyon is open for emergency vehicles.. why is this good news for u guys? Because it means that there is a chance that in the next day or so they could open at least one way of the canyon!! Hopefully I get a call on the other side of the canyon and will be able to check out the damage in person!

hmmm i have wigwags, strobes, and fire plates on my rig...

timmbuck2
03-10-2010, 08:52 AM
if anyone does the train or plane option, I have plenty of room in the 80 for your gear. let me know, I am probably leaving tonight...

timmbuck2
03-10-2010, 09:08 AM
more fuel for not taking the official detour:
"In the meantime, roads that make up the detour, primarily U.S. 40, Colorado 13 and Colorado 131, are narrow and require drivers to slow down, said Victor Domenico, owner of trucking company Domenico Transportation in Denver. With I-70 closed, traffic is heavy, he added. "They are good roads, but it is slow; we don't want to have an accident — it is narrow. And with the increased traffic, you need to keep your speed down. It is adding about six hours a run for our drivers," Domenico said."

A typical run from Denver to Glenwood Springs is about three hours, making a round trip six hours, he said. With the interstate closed, it is taking his drivers eight and a half to nine hours for one leg of the journey.

Gmann
03-10-2010, 09:37 AM
Heads up. Monarch Pass is currently closed for avalanche control. Expected to be only 2-3hr delay. Keep an eye on it. Hope and pray, the stars start to aline for us rather than against!!!

Monarch Pass is open. www.cotrip.org

nakman
03-10-2010, 09:52 AM
Monarch Pass is open. www.cotrip.org (http://www.cotrip.org)

For how long I wonder... supposed to snow tonight, and more in the south than up north? If Monarch Pass shut again, there's going to be camping in Salida for sure..

OTOH, 8-9 hours to Glenwood on the northern route doesn't sound that good either. My fingers are crossed they just open I-70 this afternoon. :o

timmbuck2
03-10-2010, 09:55 AM
For how long I wonder... supposed to snow tonight, and more in the south than up north? If Monarch Pass shut again, there's going to be camping in Salida for sure..

OTOH, 8-9 hours to Glenwood on the northern route doesn't sound that good either. My fingers are crossed they just open I-70 this afternoon. :o

and that web cam pic of Monarch Pass looks pretty icy...

chtucker
03-10-2010, 09:57 AM
If anyone does come through Leadville, I have another box of external speakers that I would like to get rid of...

See the ham radio section..

FJBRADY
03-10-2010, 09:59 AM
If Monarch Pass shut again



I will turn around and go home :(

Red_Chili
03-10-2010, 10:03 AM
Not me. That's why I am leaving in the morning. Kick back, put some fine tobacco in my pipe, puff away, then take a nap. Or something like that. I will bring a Dean Koontz book I've been reading that makes time fly. Also bringing a Bible and some other stuff to read.

DaveInDenver
03-10-2010, 10:04 AM
If anyone does come through Leadville, I have another box of external speakers that I would like to get rid of...

See the ham radio section..
I might have Tim Nakari (nakman) stop by.

Red_Chili
03-10-2010, 10:09 AM
BTW you can get streaming video of the workers working the boulders on I-70. :cool:

timmbuck2
03-10-2010, 10:33 AM
I might have Tim Nakari (nakman) stop by.

I can stop by too, I can use a speaker. :)

timmbuck2
03-10-2010, 10:37 AM
FYI, sounds like I am the first person leaving town?? Make sure all are on the Colorado Repeaters,I will update when possible. If you are a Facebook user, make sure to add me...I will update my status with the conditions, very quick and easy to do on my phone and will probably do that more that go on the RS fourm...

nakman
03-10-2010, 11:27 AM
Woman dies on US 40, northern route :( http://www.9news.com/news/article.aspx?storyid=134286&catid=339

Rezarf
03-10-2010, 12:05 PM
Woman dies on US 40, northern route :( http://www.9news.com/news/article.aspx?storyid=134286&catid=339

Wow, that is really tragic. My prayers are with her family and friends.

I was driving home last night from Dillon back to Louisville, and my brain was going nuts, it was snowing, icy, and dark as space... and I kept thinking of a huge rock squishing my car. I was glad to be home to say the least.

I heard on the news that this is the primary season for rock slides due to the temperature change and the ice and snow going though its melt/refreezing cycle over and over.

I usually take Hwy 6 from Idaho Spings to Golden... but last night I was too spooked to take it :eek:

Uncle Ben
03-10-2010, 12:49 PM
Woman dies on US 40, northern route :( http://www.9news.com/news/article.aspx?storyid=134286&catid=339

WOW! You can't cheat fate! My thoughts and prayers go out to the lady and her family...unreal!

60wag
03-10-2010, 03:22 PM
Can you use "fate" and "prayers" in the same comment? Isn't that something like aetheist heaven?

Hants
03-10-2010, 03:26 PM
It's snowing here in Monument... could be a fun trip tomorrow!

timmbuck2
03-10-2010, 03:29 PM
Ok sounds like I will do the copper route also, we are all going to meet up somwehre along this route, maybe dinner in Gunnison or Montrose??

probably not leaving until morning now......hope to leave early tomorrow and go through Copper, maybe just maybe they will open I70 by then

gahi
03-10-2010, 04:09 PM
ROUTE CHANGE!!!! 90 from montrose to La Sal Junction which becomes 46 at the UT border IS NOT MAINTAINED IN THE WINTER. USUALLY OPENS EARLY MAY. Just got off the phone with the maintenance supervisor for CDOT at Montrose to get this information. Try it if you want, but I will rethink my plan. Either take 550 N to Junction or play with traffic on 131.


I wonder what the people who live in Paradox do?

Gmann
03-10-2010, 04:14 PM
I wonder what the people who live in Paradox do?

You can disregard what I said earlier. I spoke with Paradox B&B in the town of, and they tell me it is open. Sorry for the confusion, thought CDOT would be a good source.

nakman
03-10-2010, 06:34 PM
Things are looking up for I-70.. could open tomorrow?


but man, the picture of the Buick is just tragic. http://www.9news.com/news/article.aspx?storyid=134296&catid=339

timmbuck2
03-10-2010, 10:08 PM
March 10, 2010 Update (8:10pm):
Our geologists returned from the rock mitigation site safely and were very satisfied with the work that was accomplished today. With the blasting, there was a clean break of the rock from the slope and all of the rocks we were concerned about were knocked down. As a result, mitigation work will not be required tomorrow. Since the blasting brought down additional rock, crews will have some cleanup work tomorrow along with drainage work and final pavement repair. The good news is that one lane of eastbound and westbound I-70 will reopen by the end of the day tomorrow. We will keep you posted as we get close to a reopening time.

nakman
03-10-2010, 10:27 PM
Oh yeah.. no Monarch for this guy. :)

zgcruiser
03-10-2010, 10:58 PM
Will open tomorrow afternoon!! :D

FJBRADY
03-11-2010, 10:33 AM
9 am update: CDOT Maintenance crews began clearing snow in the canyon early this morning and are now beginning work to make the repairs necessary to open a single lane of traffic in each direction today. They are clearing rock debris from all lanes (the blast brought down some dozen larger boulders (4 feet) and many smaller rocks), making repairs to the drainage system and completing roadway patching in numerous places. Crews have already set up traffic control cones/barrels and signage on the Interstate so that when repairs are complete, the highway can open quickly. We will send notice as soon as a re-open time is set today.

Nay
03-11-2010, 10:51 AM
I wonder what the people who live in Paradox do?

I hope that was pun intended :lmao:

sno bored
03-11-2010, 03:21 PM
I-70 through glenwood is now open 1 lane in each direction.

wesintl
03-11-2010, 03:28 PM
The lanes reopened just after 3 p.m. Because there is only one lane in each direction open, traffic could be very slow through Glenwood Canyon

MDH33
03-11-2010, 03:31 PM
I just talked to Dan (MountainGoat) and he said he cruised right through Glenwood canyon at 3:30pm Thursday and traffic was not bad. :thumb:

wesintl
03-11-2010, 03:39 PM
wow. so he left at noon taking the chance it would open this afternoon?

MDH33
03-11-2010, 04:18 PM
The lanes reopened just after 3 p.m. Because there is only one lane in each direction open, traffic could be very slow through Glenwood Canyon

I just talked to Dan (MountainGoat) and he said he cruised right through Glenwood canyon at 3:30pm Thursday and traffic was not bad. :thumb:

wow. so he left at noon taking the chance it would open this afternoon?

You know Dan. He's Crazy! He got the last minute hall pass and B-lined it for Moab. :) :headbang:

wesintl
03-11-2010, 04:27 PM
some cool pics of the rocks and a couple getting blown up

http://photos.denverpost.com/photogalleries/coloradoimages/?source=photo_static_home#num=content-1955729&id=album-99444

MountainGoat
03-11-2010, 05:27 PM
You know Dan. He's Crazy! He got the last minute hall pass and B-lined it for Moab. :) :headbang:

I don't know about all that. :hill:

I'm hanging with my brother in Junction. Will probably spend the night here and head down to Moab in the morning.

Crash
03-11-2010, 06:55 PM
Just got a call from Trail Boss Cheeseman from who is safely in Moab. An eight hour drive through Montrose and all is well and the coolers are well supplied.
That is all.

Romer
03-11-2010, 08:32 PM
Excellent news

Just got back from a business trip. Am packing up tonight and will head out in the morning. Going by myself. Girls couldn't make it.