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gahi
03-30-2010, 07:52 PM
Picking a lift. I know this has been beat to death, but theres so many opinions it has me confused.
Lift for the 80
Slee vs FOR

Things I want:
3.5" - 4" lift
315/75r16's
Bumpers front and rear
Winch
Sliders

I here about the stiffness of the Slee lift for ruff roads, but the trade off is stability offroad? Is it really that stiff? The progressive rate FOR sounds good for the rough dirt roads, but not designed for the additional weight of bumpers? So would I be past the soft rate and into the stiff (and lower) just sitting. I dont plan on adding any drawers or fridge to the back, and am going to keep the 3rd row seats. One of my excuses for buying the 80 was that I needed a softer ride for our newborn than my '93 3/4 ton dodge provides. Its pretty bad, back ache on long road trips bad, My wife once got out of the truck and walked between potash and the bottom of Shafer trail bad. We turned around and she was pissed the rest of the day, bad.

I've also think I've read somewhere on MUD that FOR might not be doing progressive rate springs anymore

If anyone could give some input it would be great. Slee, I'd love to here any input you have. I know its not a simple answer but I've never been in a lifted 80 so I have no idea. I finally sold the Bradley GT so now I'm ready to lift.

I know I originally said small lift and 33's but I figured I skip that expensive stepping stone.

Bikeman
03-30-2010, 08:19 PM
Anything having a spring rate higher than stock will ride differently. That may be a bad thing or a good thing. I have been down lots of desert roads with my Slee suspension on a lighter than usual 80. Stiffer is good in some ways and not in others. Shocks have a lot to do with ride. OME shocks have way too much compression damping and alot of people blame that stiff ride on the coils. For instance,Ii have heavy OMEJ on the front of the LX with soft Pro-Crap ES3000's and it is bouncy and far from stiff. I have not heard of any broken Slee springs like other brands supposedly have had. Slee is proven over the years, can you say that about other domestic brands. If your wife didn't like the ride of a 3/4 ton empty or not, she probably won't like an 80 with aftermarket suspension unless you have it really loaded down with accessories and gear. I have had 3 lifted late model 3/4 ton Superdutys and my picky wife never complained. I would suggest having both of you ride in modded 80s to see for yourself. You may want to leave it stock or just do a small medium or low-level lift. You could also choose any lift and make a sizeable investment on custom valved shocks from Fox or slee and get the best ride possible. Good luck.

gahi
03-30-2010, 08:41 PM
Thanks for the info, as far as my truck being stiff, its common to the 1st gen Dodges (made to be loaded), every other 3/4 and 1 ton I've had or been in has been good.

nakman
03-30-2010, 08:50 PM
I have had no regrets with the Slee kit, I love the ride. I think it handles great, and far less body roll than the OME kits I had before, feels really stable at any speed, even on corners. You're welcome to take mine for an extended spin when I get to Moab in a few weeks, send me an email. ;)

gahi
03-30-2010, 09:18 PM
I have had no regrets with the Slee kit, I love the ride. I think it handles great, and far less body roll than the OME kits I had before, feels really stable at any speed, even on corners. You're welcome to take mine for an extended spin when I get to Moab in a few weeks, send me an email. ;)

That would be awesome.

corsair23
03-31-2010, 12:24 AM
Can't help really since all I've got is the OME 2.5" heavy lift but I've been happy with that...Although I went into it knowing that the rear would be stiffer than optimum when I wasn't loaded (camping stuff in back and pulling the popup) just like Christo said it would :).

That said, I spent a LOT of time behind the wheel of Hulk's 80 with the Slee 4" kit and I thought it drove great (on the road only, Matt never let me get behind the wheel offroad which was probably a smart move on his part :hill:).

I've heard nothing but good about FOR's lift but if you've read any of "Filmpros" threads on MUD it seems you have to have pretty deep pockets and a lot of patience to get a lift dialed in for heavier weighted 80s. Nay is the only guy "local" that I know has the FOR lift but I've never driven it and he believes in the "lighter is better" approach.

That said, if I had the $$ I'd probably sit down with Christo and have him put together a 4" lift for me that matched my truck's weight and setup (front & rear bumpers, winch, slider, dual batts (someday), no drawers in the rear, etc.).

farnhamstj
03-31-2010, 08:09 AM
What I don't see on your list is regear to turn those 315's. A good friend has the Slee 4" kit with 285's. He has no bumpers or drawers. Rides great. I can't say enough good things about the quality of Slee's products and staff.

gahi
03-31-2010, 08:26 AM
What I don't see on your list is regear to turn those 315's. A good friend has the Slee 4" kit with 285's. He has no bumpers or drawers. Rides great. I can't say enough good things about the quality of Slee's products and staff.

gears are a future "if needed" mod.

nakman
03-31-2010, 08:55 AM
gears are a future "if needed" mod.

If you plan to wheel, then I'd suggest you move the gears up the list sooner rather than later, even do it before you get the big tires. With 315's, you'll struggle a bit climbing stuff... just puts more stress on your torque converter. And then you'll be going mach 10 down hills. Not to mention the highway performance, and off the line patheticness. 4.88's and 35's is very sweet, IMO.

sleeoffroad
03-31-2010, 09:07 AM
I've heard nothing but good about FOR's lift but if you've read any of "Filmpros" threads on MUD it seems you have to have pretty deep pockets and a lot of patience to get a lift dialed in for heavier weighted 80s.

FWIW, you also have to know that Filmpros is planning to open a shop. He already has the name "North America 4x4" (see his sig on mud). I am pretty sure they plan to sell and install FOR lifts, hence the hugely supportive posts that appear to be from an enthusiast, but it really is bias.

I have also spoken to people on the east coast that have driven FOR kits on the road and did not like the fact that they are so soft. On Expo portal there was a post showing a video of one of his trucks jumping a snow bank. It appeared in the video that it hit the bump stops pretty hard.

That said, I have never driven in one of their trucks, but seen Nay's video's. In all cases it seems like it is soft springs that are under damped by the shocks. Best thing is to drive the trucks off-road and see what you like.

rover67
03-31-2010, 09:29 AM
Having ridden in Nakman's truck back and forth from moab and while wheeled a few trails there, I can say I am impressed by the ride and handling characteristics of his truck. On trail performance has been proven well also. But all this is from a guy who owns a 60 with OME heavies and crappy steering..

I honestly thought it was pretty cush.

Hulk
03-31-2010, 10:58 AM
If you plan to wheel, then I'd suggest you move the gears up the list sooner rather than later, even do it before you get the big tires. With 315's, you'll struggle a bit climbing stuff... just puts more stress on your torque converter. And then you'll be going mach 10 down hills. Not to mention the highway performance, and off the line patheticness. 4.88's and 35's is very sweet, IMO.

X2. The 4.88s are key if you're planning to actually wheel your truck with 315s.

gahi
03-31-2010, 01:26 PM
anyone know off hand what F&R gear sets and install kits go for? I thought I saw a sale somewhere but I dont know where or what brand stuff it was.

gahi
03-31-2010, 01:41 PM
Just looked a little and it seems between $750-$1050.
Now I need to find something else to sell.

corsair23
03-31-2010, 05:29 PM
anyone know off hand what F&R gear sets and install kits go for? I thought I saw a sale somewhere but I dont know where or what brand stuff it was.

This thread might help estimate the cost a little better --> Link (http://www.risingsun4x4club.org/forum2/showthread.php?t=11323)

Not sure if you are planning to do the gear setup yourself but the reality is going to 4.88s for me was quite a bit more than I was thinking it would cost :o - But I'm happy with the results and I'm still only on 285s :hill:

There is a lot of "while you're in there" with a gear swap...I.E. it makes perfect sense to go ahead and do the front and rear axle service since you have to take everything apart to get the 3rds out. If your brakes/rotors are near mins you might as well go ahead and get that done then as well. Speedo correction? If you got the Mark's Box route it is a lot easier to install the box while the front DS is out so might as well get that done. And the list goes on....