PDA

View Full Version : '64 FJ Build


baja1d
05-26-2010, 07:15 AM
Here's the plan for my '64 FJ40: I'd like to keep the stock look but make a decent daily driver. My commute is roughtly 60 miles and 1/2 of it is through the mountains here in CO. I'm in the process of swapping axles as we speak to 1976's. So here's what else I plan to do:

1. 33" Tires
2. 3.70 Gears
3. 4-speed tranny
4. Keep 3-speed T/C but add an Orion if I can- Anybody know?
5. 2" lift w/ shakle reversal.
6. Add power steering
7. Drive the "F" until it dies and then swap in the "2F" I'm rebuilding.
8. Lock front and rear w/ ARB's
9. Add a full cage, seat belts, ARB style bumpers, and a winch.
10. Might put a soft top on.

So much for the stock look!!! Currently the she has a "home paint job" that kept the rust down but looks crappy. Once I've made the modifications I'm sure I'll be out of money. I'm hoping to drive her for awhile and work out the bugs. Once the FJ fund has been "refunded" I'd like to tear her down and do a frame off resto. Let me know what you think, all opinions welcome!!!

TIMZTOY
05-26-2010, 08:58 PM
i might be parting out my 40 !! all of the specs are under "timz new toy" the older one..

wesintl
05-26-2010, 09:03 PM
Piiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiics man pics. all these words... :o

baja1d
05-29-2010, 02:12 PM
Sorry, My internet was acting up @ the time of original post! I've also put the 3.73's on hold for awhile.

Uncle Ben
05-29-2010, 03:13 PM
I would not restore a '64! I love my '64 but the thought of original ball and claw axles course spine everything, remote turn signal switch trucker steering wheel, 1 bbl carb on a siamese port engine and 7.00-15 tires makes me cringe. If you want to keep the original look but have a fully drivable and capable vehicle thats a whole 'nuther aspect! :thumb: Best part of a '64 is the thick tub and the look. It will not rust out like a 70 something Cruiser and the old retro look is priceless....everything else on a '64 sucks! ;) ;) :bowdown: :zilla:

baja1d
05-29-2010, 11:07 PM
I agree and the only thing that will probably be left on her is the tub and the look. However, I'd like to keep it Toyota.

Uncle Ben
05-30-2010, 08:03 AM
I agree and the only thing that will probably be left on her is the tub and the look. However, I'd like to keep it Toyota.

I went off this quote: " Once the FJ fund has been "refunded" I'd like to tear her down and do a frame off resto." A restoration means "restoring" it to stock. My 40 has been rebuilt from the ground up several times. It is still 90.....well maybe 85% Toyota. It is in the midway of it's current morph but will still be that "85%" Toyota when done ready for the next morph. :rolleyes: Build it to meet you needs!

baja1d
04-06-2012, 11:22 PM
Can't believe it's been nearly 2 years since I started this thread but there has been progress! Many thanks to Jeremy for letting me watch him build my cage. I'd like to say that I helped but I think that I was in the way more than assisting!!! The 2F is going in this week along with the H55, split case w/ parking brake drum attachment, and tilt column/power steering. In addition I'll be installing a 4" alcan lift and wheel spacers. Then it's back to Jeremy's for final weld on cage.

baja1d
04-06-2012, 11:26 PM
BTW, anybody have a link to a 2F swap into an older 40? I'm not too concerned with the swap but I'd like to have something on hand if I hit a snag rather than searching for an answer.

Tommy the Cat
04-07-2012, 09:35 AM
I have a set of 3.70s from an '87 FJ60 if you are interested. Just throwing it out there...

subzali
04-07-2012, 07:49 PM
Won't you have tranny tunnel issues with this swap? Typical 3spd-4spd stuff? What are you doing about the steering column with no column shifter now? And where did you source a parking brake that will mount to a split case? I thought those were unobtanium... :confused:

baja1d
04-07-2012, 09:15 PM
I have a set of 3.70s from an '87 FJ60 if you are interested. Just throwing it out there...

Thanks for the offer. I have a set but then got the h55 for a steal. I think I'm going to stick with the 4.11's

baja1d
04-07-2012, 09:28 PM
Won't you have tranny tunnel issues with this swap? Typical 3spd-4spd stuff? What are you doing about the steering column with no column shifter now? And where did you source a parking brake that will mount to a split case? I thought those were unobtanium... :confused:

Yes I do believe that I'll have to do some mods to the tunnel but it shouldn't be anything more than what I'd have to do if I were to put a four speed in. As much as I'd like to keep the column shift it's just can't stay. Furthermore, removing the straight column for a tilt column is slightly safer IMHO. In regards to the parking break, they are very difficult to find. I just happen to look at the classifieds on Mud one day and a guy had just listed one that he never installed. It wasn't cheap but eliminated a lot of headache. Having my kids over the last 3 years didn't lend too much time for physical wrenching but I did source a ton of parts, most of them for pennies on the dollar.

baja1d
04-09-2012, 08:14 AM
Let the games begin.

1. Breaker Bar...check
2. PB Blaster...check
3. BFH...yep

This was no easy feat for a solo operation and no manual. Started at 4pm after the Easter activities were finished and had it out at midnight.

subzali
04-09-2012, 08:40 AM
Make sure to fix that bezel while you have things apart!

baja1d
04-09-2012, 08:49 AM
Make sure to fix that bezel while you have things apart!

On the list

baja1d
06-17-2013, 03:41 PM
Boy, how things have changed. I guess when you live so close to outstanding off-roading and 6 hours from Moab it was inevitable. She's definitely not stock anymore but she is back on the road!!!

This has been a long build with a steep learning curve. Like most, one thing leads to another. I've learned some invaluable lessons along the way; for example, patients, how to fabricate, weld, and ignore naysayers that seem to find their way onto every forum. I've also encountered a few setbacks; i.e., mini or power assist p/s that just wasn't going to cut it and the H55/ unobtainable parking brake drum kit debacle. Let's face it, a 2F and five gears are for sea level but not here in the Rockies!

In addition to setbacks & burnout, we’ve moved once, flipped two houses, and had two kids.... yes; life does continue to go on even when building a 40. Although my wife recently accused me of being more in love with the 40 than her! Yeah, she was really thrilled when, like most Cruiser Heads, I came home with another Landcruiser and proclaimed "that each kid needed one"!!! Fortunately she really digs the “family” aspect of wheeling and the fact that I'm in the garage (often with both kiddos) rather than the local pub.

On that note, we get out a dozen times per year and have made two Cruise Moab rallies, both in the 80. This last trip we wheeled with the infamous Woody and, thanks to JKimmel, definitely came back with some lifelong stories. Rising Sun has been awesome and we've met some incredible people along the way. It’s a sport that has stuck and, therefore, the rig had to match the style. So here's what I’ve done:

-1986 2F motor swap
-Four speed tranny/ split case with Marlin Crawler Box
-4 wheel disc brakes conversion
-SOA with flipped springs and anti-inversion shackles
-Saginaw P/S with GM tilt column
-Cryo'd shafts & Longfields
-FJ60 knuckles
-4x4 Labs hi steer and 6 shooter steering arms
-35's and rear Lockrite
-Family cage with tumble/fold rear seats
-Painless wiring harness

Still to come:
-Front ARB locker
-Bumpers, tubed fenders, and sliders

For those of you that are ready to give up, sell the rig, or even light it on fire; it truly is an incredible feeling to finally drive a “labor of love” and know that you’ve done 95% of the work. I’d relate it to catching a fish on a fly you tied only greasier! All the eye injuries from 49 years of crap falling in them and the countless busted knuckles was worth it!!!

This Wednesday will be her christening. I thought that it would be appropriate to run (Red Cone) the same trail where many of the earlier pictures in this thread where taken; back when she was truly “stock”……..

Thank you to all that helped along the way, Hope you like her.

Travis

OilHammer
06-17-2013, 04:56 PM
Sweet! They are fun with the top off, eh?

Been a long time, but what did you do with the 1F? That had a part or two on it that I would be interested in.

baja1d
06-17-2013, 04:58 PM
Treeroot has virtually everything that I took off

Jacket
06-17-2013, 10:11 PM
Very cool! Nice to see 3 years of work pay off.

FJCDan
06-18-2013, 07:21 AM
Lookin good Travis.

74fj40
06-18-2013, 08:22 AM
Looks good!!

AxleIke
06-18-2013, 08:59 AM
Looks good!

baja1d
08-16-2013, 03:31 PM
Got the rear tumble/fold seats mounted. Just about ready to do the final weld and paint3417634177

Rzeppa
08-17-2013, 10:06 AM
I just saw this thread - saw the rig in person on Wednesday in the King Sooper's parking lot. Now I know why you wanted to do Redcone. Why did you not use the H55F? I love mine in my 60 (goes perfect with the 3.70s and 33s) and loved the one I had in my HZJ75, which went perfect with 35s and 4.11s.

baja1d
08-17-2013, 11:17 AM
I just saw this thread - saw the rig in person on Wednesday in the King Sooper's parking lot. Now I know why you wanted to do Redcone. Why did you not use the H55F? I love mine in my 60 (goes perfect with the 3.70s and 33s) and loved the one I had in my HZJ75, which went perfect with 35s and 4.11s.

60 MPH is all she's got on the flats & generally floored. With the 35's I figure that's about 65. I'm not sure I would have ever hit 5th gear. Furthermore, my rear driveshaft is 19" with the crawl box & flipped springs. Can't imagine how short it would be with the H55 + Crawler

Rzeppa
08-18-2013, 02:11 PM
60 MPH is all she's got on the flats & generally floored. With the 35's I figure that's about 65. I'm not sure I would have ever hit 5th gear. Furthermore, my rear driveshaft is 19" with the crawl box & flipped springs. Can't imagine how short it would be with the H55 + Crawler

That makes sense. H55Fs are pretty long for a shorty 40 and an F series motor (they fir better with a V8 that you can move way up to the front). What ratio are you running in the diffs? Stock 4.11? I had 4.11s in my HZJ75 with 35s, and the overdrive was nice on the flat or downhill, but you could forget about being able to go uphill in 5th. Pretty similar in the wagon with 3.70 and 33s. But it sure was nice to be able to drive to Moab and back and be able to cruise at the posted speed limit for most of the 75 MPH sections.

Fishy
08-18-2013, 04:09 PM
Looks great Travis.....
I was pretty surprised how well you moved on the highway. That thing tools right along at 60mph!

It really seemed right at home on the trail too.

J Kimmel
08-18-2013, 04:29 PM
Looks great!

baja1d
10-09-2013, 03:37 PM
Made a little progresshttp://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/10/10/qerupypy.jpg

baja1d
11-01-2013, 03:25 PM
A little more progress today on the front shocks

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/11/02/eruta7a7.jpghttp://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/11/02/tuderahy.jpghttp://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/11/02/te9y8eje.jpghttp://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/11/02/yhabubun.jpg

rover67
11-01-2013, 03:46 PM
Nice work, me likey

AxleIke
11-01-2013, 04:22 PM
Looks great! Nice work!

Uncle Ben
11-01-2013, 04:31 PM
Very cool! That 40 is looking bad arse!

baja1d
11-01-2013, 05:19 PM
Thanks guys. It's been a real challenge to get anything done with the family but I'm getting close. The wife even blew me away with 40 compliment & then said that if I paint it she'll ride in it. I just about hit the floor!!!

baja1d
11-07-2013, 05:07 PM
Planning on burning the midnight oil to get the final weld & fenders done. Hopefully I'll be sticking this all back on permanently tomorrow http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/11/08/pezavumy.jpg

FJCDan
11-07-2013, 06:39 PM
Crazy stuff you have going on there Travis, Looks killer!!!!!

baja1d
11-08-2013, 11:36 AM
Just waiting for the paint to dryhttp://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/11/09/8ypaby3a.jpghttp://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/11/09/ubyqugez.jpg

baja1d
11-08-2013, 05:04 PM
Other than a few welds, this portion of the build is done- ran out of welding gas.http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/11/09/yjeranab.jpghttp://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/11/09/7amape6a.jpghttp://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/11/09/qederavu.jpghttp://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/11/09/upasamup.jpghttp://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/11/09/dysu2yjy.jpghttp://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/11/09/azyge2e8.jpghttp://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/11/09/6eduzupu.jpg

Rzeppa
11-08-2013, 10:43 PM
There is a lot of workmanship going on there, and a lot of details and time that only those who have done this kind of work understand. Hats off to you Travis.

baja1d
11-08-2013, 10:53 PM
Thanks you. This rig was actually purchased as a retirement gift for my Dad in 2003; he's responsible for this addiction! He retired in 2005... I guess it's good that I've never mentioned that I intend on presenting him with it. Fingers crossed, he'll wheel it with us at CM2014!!!

Shotshell
11-09-2013, 05:04 PM
That is a fantastic looking build, sir. :wrench:
Very well done. :thumb:

baja1d
11-11-2013, 04:54 PM
Front bumper timehttp://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/11/12/hema3e8a.jpghttp://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/11/12/ypu9edu7.jpghttp://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/11/12/taneme6a.jpghttp://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/11/12/ysu2y6un.jpg

Rzeppa
11-11-2013, 07:05 PM
Do you need cable for that 8274? I have 150' of 3/8 GAC leftover from when I switched to Synthetic on mine, it's yours free if you're interested.

baja1d
11-11-2013, 07:20 PM
Thanks Jeff, I've got a ton so please pass it along

J Kimmel
11-11-2013, 08:24 PM
Looks good man I like it.

Next up is a tow rig when your wife tells you how much she hates riding in it to Moab :laughing:

subzali
11-11-2013, 09:15 PM
I'll take the cable Jeff! What condition is it in?

baja1d
11-11-2013, 09:40 PM
Looks good man I like it.

Next up is a tow rig when your wife tells you how much she hates riding in it to Moab :laughing:

Yeah, no doubt. We'll be flat towing for a bit

J Kimmel
11-12-2013, 07:15 AM
with WHAT??!

:eek:

baja1d
11-12-2013, 07:21 AM
with WHAT??!

:eek:

The 80 for now... Rented a condo for the week of CM2014. The camper & the 40 weigh about the same so it'll still be slow going

Rzeppa
11-12-2013, 05:50 PM
I'll take the cable Jeff! What condition is it in?

It is in serviceable condition, a few kinks and a few frayed strands here and there, but completely serviceable. Yours free, I'd like to see it go to a good home.

baja1d
11-25-2013, 01:37 PM
Which color to choose? I can't decide so I thought I'd throw it up on here. http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/11/26/myzady9u.jpghttp://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/11/26/jyzy6a6a.jpghttp://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/11/26/2u3a9a8u.jpg

baja1d
11-25-2013, 01:39 PM
Two morehttp://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/11/26/syvesy4e.jpghttp://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/11/26/evaduga2.jpghttp://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/11/26/hyhezejy.jpg

MDH33
11-25-2013, 04:33 PM
Is that Nebula Green? One of my favorite 40 colors. :thumb:

baja1d
11-25-2013, 04:45 PM
Is that Nebula Green? One of my favorite 40 colors. :thumb:

I'm leaning towards the green. 1/2 the 40 is almond color & the other 1/2 is sage green. Being that this is a toy, & will get scratched, I wanted colors that I could easily touch up. Therefore, these are the two colorshttp://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/11/26/7u5y8ege.jpg:http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/11/26/e5y7ybev.jpg

Shotshell
11-25-2013, 06:10 PM
I hope all that steel tubing on your floor isn't getting in the way…:D

I'd go with the green. Looks pretty good. :thumb: I am partial to black and white though...

rover67
11-25-2013, 06:10 PM
GREEN!!! I think it looks great.

Caribou Sandstorm
11-25-2013, 08:38 PM
I bet that green will look cool with a little Colorado sun fade on it also.

FJCDan
11-26-2013, 06:38 PM
Like the green.

MDH33
11-26-2013, 08:53 PM
Ah yes. My first 40 (a '78 in 1990) was a similar shade of rattle can. Avacado Green if I recall. Need to scan a photo and post it sometime. :thumb:

baja1d
03-07-2014, 11:47 AM
Back at it. What better way to spend a rainy/snowy Friday?363943639536396

baja1d
03-11-2014, 10:26 PM
It never ends!3641436415

Bruiser
03-11-2014, 10:29 PM
If you paint in step one, you won't be able to read step 2-4 so you'll be done. Nice

Sent from my DROID RAZR using Tapatalk

baja1d
03-12-2014, 07:22 AM
If you paint in step one, you won't be able to read step 2-4 so you'll be done. Nice

Sent from my DROID RAZR using Tapatalk


Precisely!!!

rover67
03-12-2014, 08:40 AM
nice respirator, I have been using one like that under my welding hood lately... not sure why it took me so long to start.


nice work on the rig, if all goes well maybe a few 40's will be getting paint this spring :)

baja1d
03-13-2014, 12:58 PM
Cage day36427