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TIMZTOY
07-02-2010, 11:30 PM
so after much planning and pre planning along with scrutinizing my own autocad file several times. i've finally started building my m416 trailer. i went and picked up all the steel.. and holly crap.. its heavy. when the forklift droped it onto my truck my truck droped like 2" :eek: but my little 22r had no problems..

TIMZTOY
07-02-2010, 11:39 PM
ill have some more pic's tommorw or the next day.. i ran out of welding wire..
at first i was mocking it up on the floor and when i was almost done, i lifted the frame up on end to grind down some corners.. and noticed that none of the joints were flat.. so i proped the trailer up on 2x4 in 4 corners, so that i can work on all the joints. i ended up cutting all my tack welds and using a c-clamp and 2x4 to press them togther.. to make a flat joint. And i had to do 6 joints, with 4 tacks per.. lol :gaah:

AddictedOffroad
07-03-2010, 09:04 AM
What wall thickness tubing are you using? Looks like .250 wall. :eek:

I built my old camping trailer frame out of .090 wall 1.5x2.5" tubing.
http://www.toyotaholics.com/support/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=296&SearchTerms=camping,trailer

FWIW, it was a tiny little trailer, but did exactly what I needed and was a perfect size for a mini truck to pull. I pulled it to King of the Hammers in 2009 and back.

I sold it earlier this year though.

DaveInDenver
07-03-2010, 09:16 AM
What wall thickness tubing are you using? Looks like .250 wall. :eek:
LOL! The military M416 I think uses 0.120" wall tubing. I think the M35A2 might use 0.250" wall thickness in its frame...

TIMZTOY
07-03-2010, 11:00 AM
It's 2x3 box 1/8" and the toung is 3 x 3 x 1/4" and the telosoping toung is 2.5 x 2.5 x 1/4" for the reciver. And the rear bumper is 2x4x1/4" for pure rear end colision impacts. (just incase) I know its over kill but it wont bend in a colision. Or when you slide off the road on black ice. Lol

DaveInDenver
07-03-2010, 11:23 AM
I know its over kill but it wont bend in a colision
It's only overkill until your truck is so heavy it can't move. Which with a 22R-E is a real possibility. :-)

Unless of course you plan to cargo rate it the same as a deuce and a half, which is 22,000 lbs gross for the highway. If so, never mind.

TIMZTOY
07-03-2010, 12:18 PM
It should be relitevlly ballanced and possibly 1000 lbs when done and with lid dry.

TIMZTOY
09-01-2010, 01:16 AM
its been a while since i posted up. becaue the progress has been really slow. pretty self explanitory.. first couple are just me welding in the suspention.. then me checking it out in the street..

TIMZTOY
09-01-2010, 01:32 AM
got the sheet medal for the tubs today. the lids will be ariving later this week.. its kinda a pain in the ass to put all this togther.. defentlly need two ppl and some magnets.. just tack weld one spot then flex it to fit properlly, then tack it.. and keep going.. had to place it togther upside down to gaurentee that the top of the tub was flush.

the end cap goes on the outside of the floor and the sides sit ontop of the floor ;) and somthing on the floor was just a tad off my about the material thickness..

TIMZTOY
09-01-2010, 01:36 AM
:hill:

SteveH
09-01-2010, 07:18 AM
That looks outstanding - excellent work! Thanks for providing the great photos.

Beater
09-01-2010, 07:37 AM
probably already going to, but are you bracketing the tub to the chassis? Just curious.

TIMZTOY
09-01-2010, 11:01 AM
probably already going to, but are you bracketing the tub to the chassis? Just curious.

Yes. Problly 2 "L" brackets on each side. welded to the bottom of the tub and bolted into the frame. That way if you took the tub off it would self align when you put it back on.

corsair23
09-01-2010, 12:16 PM
:thumb:

Looking AWESOME Tim :D

rover67
09-01-2010, 02:09 PM
looking good!

Beater
09-01-2010, 02:22 PM
my unsolicited advice. provide a plate/dispersion point for the mounts to absorb the vibration and not fatigue the bed. you would want a 3:1 ratio probably on the pad. Meaning, if you are going to place 2" strap/bracket on the bed that is 6" long, you would at least a 6" plate for the tab to mount to, then that would be mounted to the bed. Capiche?

TIMZTOY
09-01-2010, 04:21 PM
my unsolicited advice. provide a plate/dispersion point for the mounts to absorb the vibration and not fatigue the bed. you would want a 3:1 ratio probably on the pad. Meaning, if you are going to place 2" strap/bracket on the bed that is 6" long, you would at least a 6" plate for the tab to mount to, then that would be mounted to the bed. Capiche?


Capiche

Beater
09-01-2010, 06:54 PM
Capiche

you might want to also have it be half the thickness of the strap to help dissapate, and have some give.

ideally, your buffer will be twice the thickness of the sheet metal bed, and the strap double the buffer.

wesintl
09-01-2010, 07:12 PM
awesome TiM!

BreckBJ44
09-01-2010, 09:26 PM
Nice work! Love the telescoping tongue!

K

TIMZTOY
09-01-2010, 11:22 PM
Thanks guys.

Rezarf
09-01-2010, 11:47 PM
Looking good man!

TIMZTOY
09-02-2010, 03:03 PM
Well after much deliberation and trying to talk my self out of it (I lost the debate) I've decided to move the axle back 2" because there is almost NO toung weight. Like 2-5lbs with the tub on it ! So even a tong tool box and locating the cooler and water to the front would help its not going to loaded with camping gear and water and food 100% of the time. like the transport between owners. Exc exc. Yea more work for me :rant:

TIMZTOY
09-06-2010, 08:16 PM
i got the axle moved back 2" which was a good thing, because it made the toung weight from about 10lbs to 45lbs with the toung inwords and about 35lb extended. actually i gotta give props to my roomate, he actually did the grinding and welding while i was at work. :D:D

also got the tub compleatlly welded togther. all i have left is to finsh the 1" tube around the tub..

TIMZTOY
09-06-2010, 08:18 PM
i also got my rear bumper finshed up.

farnhamstj
09-06-2010, 09:13 PM
nice work. I love the welding in socks and sandals.

TIMZTOY
09-06-2010, 10:41 PM
nice work. I love the welding in socks and sandals.

yea we were laughing about it.. thats why i tool a pic of him doing it.. :lmao::lmao: and no :beer: was involved that day.. out keg ran out.. :mad:

TIMZTOY
09-28-2010, 09:46 PM
more updates
the first two are of us welding on the tabs and supports for the tabs.
the others are us welding on the barrel hindges

nakman
09-28-2010, 09:52 PM
that looks awesome man :beer: :thumb: :beer:

What about putting another hinge at the back, and then hitch pins through the tabs? That would make it really easy to clean out, plus you could use it as a dump bed :) :weld:

TIMZTOY
09-28-2010, 11:40 PM
i am putting a 3rd hinge on the back , i just need to make it removable (bolted on) and have it face the opisite direction, other wise it could just slide off when opened. you could easilly just flop the trailer on end, and its virtually stright up and down, and because its almost perfectlly ballanced about 60lbs of toung weight, the wife could easilly put her back right when emptied. :cheers:

Jacket
09-28-2010, 11:47 PM
man - that thing is beautiful. Nice job so far.

TIMZTOY
09-29-2010, 09:19 AM
Thanks

corsair23
09-29-2010, 02:26 PM
Schwaeeeeeeet Tim :thumb:

TIMZTOY
09-30-2010, 09:40 PM
cupple more pics.
i got the third hinge mounted/welded.
then showing the trailer's telescoping toung.
and just pics as it sits now. started on the fenders , only got 2 pieces cut.

TIMZTOY
09-30-2010, 09:51 PM
just a few more pics, of the trailer from diffent views.
the rear bumper sticks out only like 1/8" from the tub (on purpos)

corsair23
10-01-2010, 12:49 AM
:drool:

TIMZTOY
10-17-2010, 11:19 AM
got the fenders made last week, just havent had a time to post up any pics..

Mendocino
10-17-2010, 06:20 PM
Looks great Tim!:)

TIMZTOY
10-17-2010, 07:12 PM
Thanks

Uncle Ben
10-17-2010, 07:16 PM
That looks awesome Tim! :thumb::thumb:

corsair23
10-19-2010, 02:06 AM
Looks better, and better, and better every time :thumb:

Beater
10-19-2010, 08:19 AM
those aren't fenders...


there exo-cages for your tires...

lol

farnhamstj
10-20-2010, 11:00 PM
Sick

TIMZTOY
10-21-2010, 02:52 PM
those aren't fenders...


there exo-cages for your tires...

lol

to sha... lol :lmao:

TIMZTOY
11-08-2010, 10:36 PM
more updates..

TIMZTOY
11-08-2010, 10:45 PM
more updates

Gerdo
11-09-2010, 08:14 AM
That is a great looking trailer

wesintl
11-09-2010, 08:20 AM
are those ground hawgs? i haven't seen someone run those in years. Sweet build!

Corbet
11-09-2010, 08:46 AM
Did you take any special steps to line up the hinges for the lid? I'm looking at using the same this winter/spring for my build. But I'm wondering how to line them up good enough to be able to slide the lid off the hinge pins and back on?

TIMZTOY
11-09-2010, 02:09 PM
As long as your two mounting locations are straight there's no tricks. Once I unbolt the center hindge (reversed to keep it from coming off) just give er a good shuve and she slides right off the pins and revers for install. I do have to shimmy the center up a tad because I gave tolerance for bed liner and it's no sprays on Yet. Other wise perfect. I would imagine if you smaller ones they could pose a little more difficulty installing

Jacket
11-09-2010, 02:29 PM
Did that guy with the Lexus try to steal it? ;)

TIMZTOY
11-09-2010, 06:45 PM
Did that guy with the Lexus try to steal it? ;)

Weirdest thing! He just swong buy and flashed me his pink thong !!! :lmao::lmao:

Hulk
11-09-2010, 07:17 PM
Tim, that is awesome. Looks great behind your truck!

TIMZTOY
11-09-2010, 07:23 PM
Tim, that is awesome. Looks great behind your truck!

thanks. thats what i was thinking also

timmbuck2
01-04-2011, 03:22 PM
here is your next build:

http://forum.ih8mud.com/dto_garage.php?do=viewvehicle&vehicle_id=1323

FJBRADY
01-04-2011, 03:51 PM
That's awesome right there!

TIMZTOY
01-04-2011, 04:26 PM
here is your next build:

http://forum.ih8mud.com/dto_garage.php?do=viewvehicle&vehicle_id=1323

Shoot that'd be hella easy to build. Anyone wanna donate a 40 so I can get started ? I could have that don't In about 2 days.

timmbuck2
01-04-2011, 05:27 PM
I would go grab one but it would look silly behind my 80. :) Wonder what he did to the interior? All kinds of stuff you could do...heater, radio, bed, etc,. Heck make a big camper out of a Pig!

TIMZTOY
01-04-2011, 06:08 PM
then how about get me a 80 rolling chassis !! i could do that to any suv or truck you give me.. just need some steel, and good coupler. then strip the front end off. and bam done.. i would actually make a functual hood but chop the front end to look like a toung tool box (v shaped ) either w/ or w/o headlights. then weld the hood back togther. and chop the fenders also to box it all in.. :thumb:

timmbuck2
01-04-2011, 07:36 PM
hmm...bet a 80 with no motor could be had cheap......but heavy

TIMZTOY
01-04-2011, 09:38 PM
not that heavy when your striping out all the front steering, suspention, motor, tranny, transfercase, interior, dash, seats, and trim.. bla bla bla.. your only left with 4 doors, and possibly wood floor's :rolleyes:

TIMZTOY
05-26-2011, 11:51 PM
well finally some more updates.. I have actually not really worked on it at all in quite a while.. just kinda here and there, at first i finshed up the tail lights, (thanks nathanial) then dry ran the electrics. then the next day i took the frame over to B&T bed liners after cleanin up a few welds.. while the frame was out, i cleaned up the tub. ground down all the welds on the out side. set up the shocks on the lid a little better ..

TIMZTOY
05-26-2011, 11:55 PM
more pics

TIMZTOY
05-27-2011, 12:02 AM
yesterday evening i drove the trailer up to marco's house in boulder, trailer towed perfectlly. with Marco's help and his tubing bender i was able to bend up the 1" tubing for the roof rack, being as it was my first time bending, and marco was rusty we didnt get the length's perfect. which is 100% ok to me because i was planning on it not being perfect anyways, and having to cut them down.. i do have to say that we almost got it perfect on the second bar.. only a 1/4" long overall ..
THANKS MARCO

Hulk
05-27-2011, 10:11 AM
Looking really good! How did you get the holes for the tail lights so perfectly symmetrical?

corsair23
05-27-2011, 12:55 PM
:thumb:

Will there be cross posts on the rack for say attaching a RTT to or would it attach to the outside bars somehow? :)

TIMZTOY
05-27-2011, 01:33 PM
Looking really good! How did you get the holes for the tail lights so perfectly symmetrical?
Laser cut pieces from nathanial on a 4"x12" ish piece of steel that I grafted into the rear end. The bumper was to thick to acomidate the gasket.

:thumb:

Will there be cross posts on the rack for say attaching a RTT to or would it attach to the outside bars somehow? :)

I don't know how your tent ataches, so I was keeping it like you see it. Because I can always fab up 2x cross bars that just bolt in.

TIMZTOY
05-27-2011, 01:36 PM
Looking really good! How did you get the holes for the tail lights so perfectly symmetrical?

OOPS...... Um I mean trick of the trade. Yea. :D

Mendocino
05-28-2011, 07:34 AM
It looks good Tim, nice to see it progressing.:thumb:

TIMZTOY
05-28-2011, 03:48 PM
It looks good Tim, nice to see it progressing.:thumb:

Thanks jeff

Rezarf
05-30-2011, 11:24 AM
Tim- your trailer is like McDonalds... I'm lovin' it! :D

TIMZTOY
05-30-2011, 02:20 PM
Tim- your trailer is like McDonalds... I'm lovin' it! :D

Lol nice. Thanks

cbmontgo
06-03-2011, 02:06 PM
Wow. This thing is going to be a beauty!

Beater
06-03-2011, 02:19 PM
my only feedback is around the wiring harness. Do you have the ability to pull the wiring back out, enlarge the hole, then grommet it? you may not think that point will wear, but....

TIMZTOY
06-03-2011, 06:09 PM
my only feedback is around the wiring harness. Do you have the ability to pull the wiring back out, enlarge the hole, then grommet it? you may not think that point will wear, but....

yes i have the ability to do so, and i was going to do that initinally but couldnt find a gromet that i liked.. but thank you though

Beater
06-04-2011, 08:05 AM
you can make your own. take some 6mm high pressure fuel line and slit down the middle. I have had good luck with the ones from mcmaster out of their assortment. There are firewall specific ones too.

trust me, I know just how much work this was.. great build.

Unlimited04
06-23-2011, 04:23 PM
i found this build with a google search since i'm going to build my own like this for my Jeep. I'm impressed - very nice work man.

couple questions -
what thickness of sheet metal did you use, and what wall thickness & tubing size did you use for the tub rim?

where did you get the sheet metal bent at & how much did they charge you for the bending & material? Might save others (and me :D) some time vs going down the list in the phone book.

Rezarf
06-23-2011, 11:11 PM
i found this build with a google search since i'm going to build my own like this for my Jeep. I'm impressed - very nice work man.

couple questions -
what thickness of sheet metal did you use, and what wall thickness & tubing size did you use for the tub rim?

where did you get the sheet metal bent at & how much did they charge you for the bending & material? Might save others (and me :D) some time vs going down the list in the phone book.

We know all the best places in town for all things fab, however, we cannot reveal them to anyone who doesn't drive a Toyota! :thumb:

Kidding aside, I will let Tim chime in. :p:

Unlimited04
06-24-2011, 10:38 PM
My dad used to have a Tundra, my buddy has two Land Cruisers, and I've bought gas cans at Slee before...does that count? :D

Rezarf
06-25-2011, 03:34 PM
My dad used to have a Tundra, my buddy has two Land Cruisers, and I've bought gas cans at Slee before...does that count? :D

Of course! :D Just messing with you.

FWIW, I used 16 ga tubing and sheet on my trailer build. It is holding up fine with a nice balance between strength and weight. :thumb:

TIMZTOY
06-26-2011, 12:38 PM
i found this build with a google search since i'm going to build my own like this for my Jeep. I'm impressed - very nice work man.

couple questions -
what thickness of sheet metal did you use, and what wall thickness & tubing size did you use for the tub rim?

where did you get the sheet metal bent at & how much did they charge you for the bending & material? Might save others (and me :D) some time vs going down the list in the phone book.

sorry for the delay.. I dont really remember what gauge the tub is. i think it's either 16 or 18.. and the rim to the tub is 1"x1"x1/8" total over kill on the entier trailer.. my next trailer im going to go down to 1/16" for everywere i did 1/8.. but i was wanting to be able to role the thing over on the trails and not have to think twice about if the trailer is ok. as far as who formed the sheet medal.. lol i know but you dont.. muwahahahha :hill:

JK give me a few to find the info

Epocs MFG
4064 Camelot Cir
Longmont, CO
80504
970-535-4540

Unlimited04
06-28-2011, 08:03 AM
JK give me a few to find the info

thanks, look forward to it :cheers:

TIMZTOY
06-28-2011, 12:01 PM
Epocs MFG
4064 Camelot Cir
Longmont, CO
80504
970-535-4540

TIMZTOY
09-09-2012, 04:33 PM
i finally got the trailer finshed up. there are of corse some touch ups needed here and there. but the fab is finshed.
i pulled it out and stretched its legs, so to speak :hill:

RedCreeper
09-09-2012, 05:42 PM
nice work

FJ_Mark
09-09-2012, 06:05 PM
Looks great!

TIMZTOY
09-09-2012, 07:38 PM
thanks guys

nuclearlemon
09-09-2012, 08:00 PM
any sort of stabilizer at the rear of the trailer (trailer to ground)? i'd be afraid it'd tip while i was sleeping in there;)

05rub
09-09-2012, 08:21 PM
If you need an easy idea for the rear stabilizer, this is what I made for my trailer. They pin up when not in use.
http://i393.photobucket.com/albums/pp12/bagndragblazer/IMAG0061.jpg

SteveH
09-10-2012, 10:34 AM
There are many cool stabilizers in the pop-up camper world - either crank down or flip-down. Some are stouter and better engineered than others.

TIMZTOY
09-10-2012, 05:44 PM
Yea. Jeff has it.
I was just setting up for photos.
And it's pretty stable w/o it. But it did tip a tad when the wife was inside and I jumped in. :)

corsair23
09-10-2012, 06:07 PM
:thumb:

That thing is looking great. Awesome work!!!

TIMZTOY
09-10-2012, 11:39 PM
:thumb:

That thing is looking great. Awesome work!!!

Yea I think so too. Thank you
Now to just get the owner to get it out my hair. :hill:

Rezarf
09-11-2012, 11:32 AM
Looks fantastic Tim! No tailgate?

corsair23
09-11-2012, 02:02 PM
Yea I think so too. Thank you
Now to just get the owner to get it out my hair. :hill:

Owners can be such a PITA :D

TIMZTOY
09-11-2012, 10:09 PM
Looks fantastic Tim! No tailgate?
nope.. no use.. just allows for dust and dirt into the sealed cargo area.

Owners can be such a PITA :D

:rant: some of them :hill:

simps80
09-11-2012, 10:30 PM
wow! that's an awesome trailer, nice finished product!

FJCDan
09-12-2012, 09:08 AM
Nice job Tim, That thing looks great and tough.