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Corbet
08-28-2010, 03:14 PM
We are getting ready to have a wood stove insert installed into an existing fireplace. Anyone have any experience with Avalon Wood Stoves. The Pendleton model is the only one we have found so far that will fit into our fireplace. Its pretty small but anything will be better than the open fireplace is now.

nakman
08-28-2010, 06:01 PM
No experience with Avalon. our last Broomfield house we had one installed and my only recommendation is get one that sticks out onto the hearth, not one that's recessed all the way in the existing fireplace. It will put out more heat if it can radiate both in the front and on top, if it's just in the front you'll have the fan on a lot. At least that was my experience, hth...

Corbet
08-28-2010, 08:20 PM
this one will stick out and have the blower option

RockRunner
08-28-2010, 08:59 PM
No exp. with your model but you eill notice such a difference, you'll love it. Ours heats nearly 2500 sq' and that is with pine.

Corbet
08-29-2010, 08:46 AM
I need a big difference. I'm tired of buying 300+ gallons of propane per month to heat the house.:eek::banghead:

RockRunner
08-29-2010, 11:29 AM
I need a big difference. I'm tired of buying 300+ gallons of propane per month to heat the house.:eek::banghead:

Holly cow:eek: Have you had Excel come out and do a leak test? It is a great thing to do. We found leaks that we never even thought would be there.

If they offer it I would do it ASAP.

Good for you to switching to wood.:thumb:

Air Randy
08-29-2010, 12:33 PM
Unless you have an endless supply of free firewood I would recommend getting a pellet stove insert instead.

We have the Winslow pellet stove, it's our 3rd one (3 different houses) and they work great and last forever.

Our house is 3,000+ sq ft and we heat the entire house, all winter long using only the pellet stove. We leave the gas furnace set on 50 degrees as a backup when were gone but our gas bill runs around $50 per month in the dead of winter. Keeping in mind we have a gas cooking stove and gas water heater, thats pretty good.

The Winslow stove will burn 1 40 lb bag of pellets per 24 hours at the heat level we run it on. It works just like your furnace where it lights itself and turns itself off depending on heat requirements. I can go 7-10 days and then I use a shop vac to vacuum out the ash.

I buy 5 tons of pellets from Home Depot every year in Sept, that costs around $1,000. I start burning them as soon as it's cold enough to want heat at night and they will last me until the 1st of May.

The other nice thing is they are near zero pollution especially compared to a wood stove. The burn so hot and clean they are the only type of stove you can get a permit for these days in most of the major metro areas.

Corbet
08-29-2010, 12:59 PM
I can get national forest fire wood permits at $10 per cord. Its a lot of work but I kind of enjoy it. Plus I've got a few more cords of standing dead on the property when even I want it. Call it emergency wood ;)

I might be off a little on my consumption in gallons, I just did not want to post the dollar amount. We ave a 500 gallon tank that is regularly 1/2 empty or more per month in the winter. I could look into a leak but I'm not loosing it all summer. So I doubt that is my problem. 3265 square feet worth of house, with 9'/10'/24' ceilings depending on the room. Crappy windows. Can't comment on the insulation as I did not build the place. But I'm sure its nothing special.

I'll be happy if this wood stove cuts my propane bill in half. Any more will be even better.

MDH33
08-29-2010, 03:12 PM
We put in a Jotul 550 Rockland (http://www.jotul.com/en-us/wwwjotulus/Main-menu/Products/Wood/Wood-inserts/Jotul-C-550-Rockland/) insert last year. Tons better than just the regular fireplace, but it didn't put much of a dent in our natural gas heating bill. Maybe 30% savings.

I agree with Tim regarding getting an insert that sticks out further onto the hearth. Ours is flush and it doesn't put out nearly the same amount of heat as a freestanding unit and the blower needs to run while burning to circulate the heat. I recall Tim had a freestanding Quadrafire at his place in Evergreen and that thing seemed to crank the heat in comparison.

This week we're upgrading our 40 year old gas boiler to a higher efficiency model and getting some of the radiator lines in the house modified. Hopefully this will help decrease our winter gas consumption. We had a few $400+ bills the last three winters we've been here and we never turn the heat up past 65.

DaveInDenver
08-29-2010, 03:54 PM
We had a few $400+ bills the last three winters we've been here and we never turn the heat up past 65.
We're similar, although not nearly as cold here in town as you guys. Our heating bills can be $200 per month and we have a thermostat that goes up and down, 63 at night, 67 during morning & evening (the minimum to keep our second bathroom pipes from freezing). However, we put a pellet stove insert in our fireplace last fall and it actually did help our heating bills, around 20%, or roughly 10~15% after figuring in pellets. The electricity to run the fan didn't seem to make much dent in that bill.

RockRunner
08-29-2010, 06:05 PM
Pellet stoves are great but like Randy said he pays a $1000 for the pellets. We thought about going that way but just did not want to pay and store the pellets.

Wood also cost us money but a lot less. I just split 3+ cords of wood for the winter for the total cost of $38.50 for the permits and about $30 for fuel driving to get it from the hills.

Extra costs of course are a chain saw, splitter and fuel+oil. So far we have had the fireplace for 5 years and it cuts our bill in half if not more. Plus the fact that we do not have to worry about what we set the thermostat at, always argued about that.

Randy, the new wood stoves have certain added items to them like ours has a catalytic converter so we can burn on red days. The newer ones burn even cleaner and are more efficient so you go through less wood.

I do have to give the pellet stoves their due, since you can set a thermometer and they work automatically they can keep your house on temp while you are gone.

MDH33
08-29-2010, 06:16 PM
We considered pellets too, but it's hard to beat the ambiance of a fire.

here's the insert i installed last fall:

http://mdhuber.smugmug.com/photos/504165723_XvBCG-M.jpg


:beer:

Corbet
08-29-2010, 06:37 PM
can't argue the advantages of pellet stoves but if I have to spend a grand to fuel it what's teh point. I can save teh cost of the stove and just keep buying the propane.

Some time, sweat, and lets say $200 a year(permits, fuel, oil, new chain, whatever) for all the wood I need. So wood stove it is.

I just hope we can cut the propane bill in half. That way the stove pays for itself in a few years and we then start getting ahead.

DaveInDenver
08-30-2010, 12:24 AM
No don't mistake, I would go with a wood stove with a fan if I had access to enough fuel. Pellets are easier for us to get being at Home Depot and the stove place at the end of the block. We also live in the city and pellets are more dense, maximizing space. BTW our stove wasn't expensive but doesn't have a thermostat and so we just turn it on when it's chilly. I was just adding $0.02 that heating smaller spaces can help the energy budget. Our stove will pay itself off in about 4 years even at the cost of pellets.

Air Randy
08-30-2010, 12:55 PM
can't argue the advantages of pellet stoves but if I have to spend a grand to fuel it what's teh point. I can save teh cost of the stove and just keep buying the propane.

Some time, sweat, and lets say $200 a year(permits, fuel, oil, new chain, whatever) for all the wood I need. So wood stove it is.

I just hope we can cut the propane bill in half. That way the stove pays for itself in a few years and we then start getting ahead.

I heat my entire house 100% of the time with the pellet stove, not just a supplement when we get home. The $1000 worth of pellets heats the house from October 1 to May 1st. Thats $165 per month in pellets plus $50 max for a gas bill. $200 to $215 per month total in the middle of winter seems pretty reasonable to me. How much does 300 gallons of propane cost each month?

As far as storage the pellets are all stacked in a 4' x 10' area at about 5' high. Thats probably less space than 3 cords of wood and a lot less messy, plus that lasts the entire winter.

As far as ambiance the pellet stove has a glass front and you can see flames too. Nice thing about it is you fill it up once every 24 hours and forget it, everything else is automatic.

Corbet
08-30-2010, 07:53 PM
Randy, my main problem is I'm limited to the size of a unit I can fit into my existing zero clearance fireplace. I'm not starting from scratch. There is just no way I can install a unit big enough to heat my whole house wood or pellet without reconstructing the untire fireplace/mantel/chimney/etc.

Wood is cheap for me($30 month) and storage space is a non-issue.

My gas bill is just shy of 5 bills a month in the winter. I need to cut that in half.

If this were new construction I'd be going a much different direction.

thisGuy
09-14-2010, 03:08 PM
I need a big difference. I'm tired of buying 300+ gallons of propane per month to heat the house.:eek::banghead:

PER MONTHHHH:confused::confused::confused::confused:


uh, do you have a 3 story house? or just a ton of windows?

you should be buying propane like very 2\3 months, 1.5\2 in the winter omg =O

Air Randy
09-14-2010, 04:56 PM
Randy, my main problem is I'm limited to the size of a unit I can fit into my existing zero clearance fireplace. I'm not starting from scratch. There is just no way I can install a unit big enough to heat my whole house wood or pellet without reconstructing the untire fireplace/mantel/chimney/etc.

Wood is cheap for me($30 month) and storage space is a non-issue.

My gas bill is just shy of 5 bills a month in the winter. I need to cut that in half.

If this were new construction I'd be going a much different direction.

Understood but keep in mind my living room had a gas log fireplace in it that I removed and just inserted the pellet stove insert. How efficient it heats your entire house is also dependent on your floorplan layout and how well the heat distributes, etc.

thisGuy
09-15-2010, 03:37 PM
I can get national forest fire wood permits at $10 per cord. Its a lot of work but I kind of enjoy it. Plus I've got a few more cords of standing dead on the property when even I want it. Call it emergency wood ;)

I might be off a little on my consumption in gallons, I just did not want to post the dollar amount. We ave a 500 gallon tank that is regularly 1/2 empty or more per month in the winter. I could look into a leak but I'm not loosing it all summer. So I doubt that is my problem. 3265 square feet worth of house, with 9'/10'/24' ceilings depending on the room. Crappy windows. Can't comment on the insulation as I did not build the place. But I'm sure its nothing special.

I'll be happy if this wood stove cuts my propane bill in half. Any more will be even better.

I think our house is 1000 or 2k ft.

that's a big @!S house...