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nakman
08-30-2010, 12:22 PM
School me on 100's. I've read Christo's newbie guide.. have read a few hundred mud posts. Tell me if these assumptions are correct:

98-99
- weaker front diff (2 pinion vs. 4 pinion),
- rear diff lock pretty standard?
- exhaust manifold issues?

2000-2002
- better front diff
- no diff lock, instead A-Trac?
- possible tranny issues?

2003 +
- More HP

I'll stop there... I can't swing a 2003 anyway... but yeah I've been thinking a lot lately of KEEPING THE 80, dropping the Taco, and getting a hundy... all comments welcome.

Beater
08-30-2010, 12:33 PM
what type of fuel economy do you get in the taco real world?

nakman
08-30-2010, 12:37 PM
what type of fuel economy do you get in the taco real world?

15-16. Would likely get a couple better with either smaller tires, or bigger gears.. not sure when that ROI would kick in though.

Worst case to date has been about 12, driving across Wyoming in a head wind/bug storm, 70+MPH completely loaded with bikes and a box on top of the topper. We had every cubic inch of the bed filled with something.. :hill:

Nay
08-30-2010, 02:26 PM
KEEPING THE 80

When you keep the 80, you don't need a hundy. ROI is instant and infinite :lmao:

wesintl
08-30-2010, 02:29 PM
Rear Ac!

nakman
08-30-2010, 02:39 PM
Rear Ac!

Yeah rear AC ftw! also faster pulling the popup on I-70 & 285, better mileage, more pimpin' inside..

Nay I can't see DD the 80 on 37's, plus I need something I can leave at the airport, the 80 stands out a little too much while a 100 would park a little more under the radar, IMO.

theboomboom
08-30-2010, 02:58 PM
[QUOTE=nakman;160625]
98-99
- weaker front diff (2 pinion vs. 4 pinion),
- rear diff lock pretty standard?
- exhaust manifold issues?

2000-2002
- better front diff
- no diff lock, instead A-Trac?
- possible tranny issues?

2003 +
- More HP
QUOTE]

98-99, I believe the rear diff lock is probably as common as factory locked 80's, there's definitely a good number that don't have them. I'm not sure whether or not the 100s got A-Trac, for some reason I'm thinking it debuted with the fj cruisers but I could be wrong. Other than that, my dad's rig has been rock solid. It hasn't been really modified either but I think he has 130k+ miles and the only thing that he has had issues with was the starter a few years ago.

RicardoJM
08-30-2010, 02:59 PM
I really like mine:D. It is a 99, I've had it since August of 2003. It is "bone stock" and has safely taken me and my family everywhere we've needed to be and without failure. The only issues of note are; had to replace the starter and had to replace a ignition coil.

treerootCO
08-30-2010, 03:02 PM
...the only thing that he has had issues with was the starter a few years ago.

And where is the starter? :confused: I guess they legalized crack in Japan.


20594

wesintl
08-30-2010, 03:21 PM
the could have put it up in the frame rail so you have to pull the engine? at least you'll replace it with a toyota reman and not have to fiddle with the contacts yourself :hill:

Jacket
08-30-2010, 03:35 PM
Is your issue with the Tacoma the size of the cab vs. family size/needs, or is it something else?

sleeoffroad
08-30-2010, 03:47 PM
And where is the starter? :confused: I guess they legalized crack in Japan.
20594

Yes, but when you do this, you don't get kaka in it and it stops working or grind the internals up. :hill:

http://www.sleeoffroad.com/trails/ua2007/p7ssm_img_1/fullsize/UA2007_128.jpg

nakman
08-30-2010, 03:54 PM
Is your issue with the Tacoma the size of the cab vs. family size/needs, or is it something else?

I think Tacomas are very cool, and that the 01-04 double cabs are the best of the bunch. I've made it work well with the family, even 2500 miles to northern Minnesota and back. But yeah it's tight inside.. I like it when both front passengers can use the arm rest, and when the kid strapped into one side of the back seat can't reach the kid who's strapped into the other side of the back seat... that's the difference between my two trucks, we're all about a foot closer to each other. Heck for truck stuff (lumber, rocks, branches, etc.) I just use my utility trailer anyway, even with the Taco, I haven't done any real truck activities that a wagon couldn't have done. I guess I'm just more of a wagon guy...

60wag
08-30-2010, 04:17 PM
I guess I'm just more of a wagon guy...

I could have told you that but some things you just have to learn for yourself.

Personally, With the 80 as a recreational vehicle, I like my other wagon to get 30+ mpg, use cheap tires, have a short stopping distance, and be easy to drive and park, IOWs why not drive a car instead of another Cruiser? I know, blasphemous but practical.

RicardoJM
08-30-2010, 04:22 PM
Oh yeah, when the starter was replaced I also did the water pump - seemed like the prudent thing to do given the labor involved.

nakman
08-30-2010, 04:26 PM
IOWs why not drive a car instead of another Cruiser? I know, blasphemous but practical.

that's what the Volvo is for..

60wag
08-30-2010, 06:57 PM
Volvo? What happened to the Prius? That musta been last year. 100s are cool, as long as you don't call them "hundys" :)

subzali
08-30-2010, 07:00 PM
Volvo? What happened to the Prius? That musta been last year. 100s are cool, as long as you don't call them "hundys" :)

word.

bh4rnnr
08-30-2010, 07:59 PM
And where is the starter? :confused: I guess they legalized crack in Japan.


20594

That starter is easy to replace, try doing one on a Lexus LS:eek:.

AxleIke
08-30-2010, 09:14 PM
Meh, can't argue with Power, room, and comfort. Get that hundy, and sell me that taco for 25 dollars. :D

Seriously.

nakman
08-30-2010, 09:59 PM
Edward Cullen drives a Volvo, so Michele had to get one. We traded the Prius in last December, right before all the braking stuff hit the news.

Ok, last time I say hundy, got it. ;) Hundo? can I say hundo? Bennie?


Isaac I wish I could man, but the Taco heeds to buy the next one.


how about this one: http://denver.craigslist.org/cto/1919131752.html

60wag
08-30-2010, 10:15 PM
I had to Google Edward Cullen.... oh well, whatever.

Is the rear AC an option or is it on all 100s?

subzali
08-30-2010, 10:24 PM
Buy Farnham's so he can buy a GX470 :D

MDH33
08-30-2010, 10:34 PM
Tim, how much will you sell the Taco for? Maybe we'll sell our stocker and buy yours since it has exactly all the mods I want to do but have no time to do. :hill:

nakman
08-30-2010, 10:58 PM
Bruce I'm surprised your daughters don't have that guy all over their rooms.. :rolleyes: But rear AC is on the must have list, was an option 99 and later per Slee's site (http://www.sleeoffroad.com/newbie/newbieUZJ100.htm).

Hey does anyone know if the Active Height Control Suspension and Adaptive Variable Suspension (AHC & AVS), which were standard in 98+ LX470's are available in the Land Cruiser (non-LX) version?

I'll send you a PM Martin.. :D

corsair23
08-31-2010, 12:07 AM
Christo had a 100 for sale at the Rally :D

I chatted with him about it a bit as I've been wondering why we didn't buy the :Princess: a 100 series vs. the 80 - But, I just can't seem to talk the :Princess: out of her 80 (yet)...Of course I really don't need anything more challenging to work on right now :hill:

sleeoffroad
08-31-2010, 07:24 AM
Hey does anyone know if the Active Height Control Suspension and Adaptive Variable Suspension (AHC & AVS), which were standard in 98+ LX470's are available in the Land Cruiser (non-LX) version?

I'll send you a PM Martin.. :D

Always on the LX, option on 06 and 07 LC I believe. Might be wrong on 06.

nakman
08-31-2010, 09:27 AM
Always on the LX, option on 06 and 07 LC I believe. Might be wrong on 06.

Thanks Christo... after reading 1000 more posts about it sounds like I may like the ride of the OME suspension better anyway, is that your experience? I am just intrigued by the adjustable ride height, in a rollin' with Dre (http://s0.ilike.com/play#Dr.+Dre:Let+Me+Ride:105527:m28387641) sort of way.. :cool:

Let me know if you run across a truck I can't pass up.. :D

AxleIke
08-31-2010, 09:54 AM
No worries dude! I was only teasing!

RicardoJM
08-31-2010, 10:05 AM
The AHC is a nice feature to have. I can drop the truck when my mom needs to get in/out. I can raise the truck for some additional ground clearance when I need it. That said, there is a weight limit for raising the truck and if it was full of people and gear I'm not sure it would go up.

Corbet
08-31-2010, 08:43 PM
Tim, I was originally going to get a 100 when I found my super clean 80. I wanted an 03 or newer for the 5 speed trans. Personally I would not do it unless I got that. Pulling the camper I think you'd notice that. Definitely more space in the 100 vs 80 for the kids.

Sounds like what you really need is a mini van unless your planning your future wheeling rig.

nakman
08-31-2010, 09:27 PM
Got the new TT today... that cover shot, it's a conspiracy I tell ya.

farnhamstj
08-31-2010, 09:37 PM
Nice things about 100's. Temp gauge is real. Rear seats recline, Heated seats. V8 has a little more umph than an 80. Lights go off automatically if you leave a door open. Doesn't really matter about the front diff. You're gonna break it. ARB it and that will be the end of the problem. 4.88 kit is now available so it's reasonable to regear. 2005 has factory lower 1st gear. CV's are pretty hard to break. I haven't had it happen yet (who wants to go wheel, guess what I'm gonna break) You still have a tailgate. 3rd row jump seats. Fit 33's with no lift. You can't get caught up in overbuilding because 2.5 inches is all there is for a lift. People are regularly running 35's now, but I prefer 33's 295.75.r16. You pretty much know that any 100 you buy is a grocery getter soccer mom rig and has never seen 4l. Skip the AHC with the load. It will give out. OME the springs and shocks. Best 100 shop in the world is just up the road. You can borrow mine sometime if you like.

nakman
08-31-2010, 09:41 PM
thanks Farnham, great stuff...

hey Corbet have you driven both? Is is that much of an upgrade to get the bigger engine and 5-speed? I admit sounds like the right plan.. but the price point of the 2003+ kind of ruled them out.. maybe I'm underestimating what I can get for my Taco.

Martin, what did she say? :)

wesintl
08-31-2010, 09:56 PM
http://images.cars.com/supersized/DMI/192032/099230.jpg

nakman
08-31-2010, 10:01 PM
LOL I was just looking at that one http://www.cars.com/go/search/detail.jsp?tracktype=usedcc&csDlId=&csDgId=&listingId=40925765&listingRecNum=2&criteria=sf1Dir%3DDESC%26alMdId%3D21381%26mkId%3D20088%26stkTyp%3DU%26mdId%3D21381%26rd%3D50%26crSrtFlds%3DstkTypId-feedSegId-mkId-mdId%26zc%3D80020%26rn%3D0%26PMmt%3D1-1-0%26stkTypId%3D28881%26sf2Dir%3DASC%26sf1Nm%3Dprice%26sf2Nm%3Dmiles%26alMkId%3D20088%26rpp%3D50%26feedSegId%3D28705&aff=national

Corbet
08-31-2010, 10:34 PM
Have not driven both side by side but did drive a 99 for a week or two as my Demo when working the car business in Summit. Then sold it to my neighbor. I disagree with Farnham, the 100 offers much more power on the pass. Night and day IMO at 9000+ feet. I had to be careful in the snow where as my 80 will not spin all 4 by accident.

But the trans would still search a little for different gears much like an 80(same trans). I just assumed the 5 speed would be better with more for the rig to choose from. That comes from my experience with other cars up there. Marianne's Subie a perfect example. The H6 in our 01 had plenty of power but all the wrong gears to put it to the ground. Our 05 with the new at the time 5 speed auto does not search all the time. I've had similar experience with other cars/trucks as 5 speed autos were coming out in a lot of stuff at the time. Towing a camper will make this even more obvious.

Personally I'd lean more towards a LX470 as I like the styling better. Projector headlamps, colors, etc... But thats just me.

I don't know what your budget looks like but what about a new 4Runner Trail Edition. They are very roomy. About the same as a 100 IMO. Plus all the advantages of a new vehicle warranty. In the long run "maybe" a better value if you keep it for a while. Man I just reverted into the car guy there pretty quick.:o:bolt:

MDH33
08-31-2010, 10:45 PM
Martin, what did she say? :)

$7000 home heating system install this week and bathroom remodel in the works next has priority over lifts, bumpers, sliders and racks... :o :banghead: :Princess: :hill:

nakman
08-31-2010, 10:54 PM
thanks Corbet good to hear about power, and on a 99 too.. I'm the other way on the LX's though, I can't stand gold and don't really want a white one either, and the off-center L on the steering wheel drives me crazy, just doesn't feel right. I think I've ruled out AHC.. maybe I'm just not Lexus material.. :confused:

And I can't do a 4Runner.. I've already had one (3rd gen) which is the last good body style of those, IMHO... they keep getting worse. Keep it for a while? who are you kidding.. :lmao:



sorry, Martin. :(

MDH33
08-31-2010, 11:03 PM
Martin, what did she say? :)

$7000 home heating system install this week and bathroom remodel in the works next has priority over lifts, bumpers, sliders and racks... :o :banghead: :Princess: :hill:



sorry, Martin. :(

Yeah, I tried. What she actually said was "ARE YOU F#%&K!&G OUT OF YOUR MIND!?".................. :p:

wesintl
08-31-2010, 11:21 PM
Yeah, I tried. What she actually said was "ARE YOU F#%&K!&G OUT OF YOUR MIND!?".................. :p:

that's some funny stuff martin. :D

corsair23
09-01-2010, 01:04 AM
Yeah, I tried. What she actually said was "ARE YOU F#%&K!&G OUT OF YOUR MIND!?".................. :p:

I wonder if our :Princess:'s are related :confused:

That's pretty much the same response I got everytime I showed the :Princess: another offroad trailer post by Romer :hill:

Beater
09-01-2010, 07:40 AM
Yeah, I tried. What she actually said was "ARE YOU F#%&K!&G OUT OF YOUR MIND!?".................. :p:

funny thing. I don't hear that any more.



Not from my stb-ex wife, but I do hear it from myself when I look at my finances these days

Corbet
09-01-2010, 08:49 AM
I wonder if our :Princess:'s are related :confused:

That's pretty much the same response I got everytime I showed the :Princess: another offroad trailer post by Romer :hill:

Long lost triplets? I don't show trailer threads anymore. Can't take the verbal abuse.

theRash
09-01-2010, 08:51 AM
I thought I'd stick my nose in and comment on this.

I've owned a 98 100.
I now own a 2003 100.
I now own a 97 LX450.

From my experience, my 98 had a great ride, mileage wasn't too different from the LX450. the V8 was great for towing and the ride was great. My opinon is that the stock suspension of the 98 was more stiff then teh 2003. The stock ride height was higher too. I do miss the rear locker. My 2003 is my wife's/ famly vehicle and it is quite a bit more powerful with I believe is the first year the 100 series went to 3.73 gearing. When I travel and from las cruces, NM to see family and I take my family and gear, i consistently get between 17.9 to 18.6 mpg both ways. The interior dash area is redesigned for navigation and has radio controls on the steering wheel. Since the 03 is my wife's / family vehicle that rarely sees dirt, its perfect. We have taken both the 98 and the 03 to Ouray. The 98 definately had better clearance in stock form. However, both did excellent.


One thing I didn't consider when I went to 2003 is the 18 inch tires which are much more expensive.

Now that I own a LX450 also. Its my DD and wheeling rig. Its stock now minus the running boards. I love my LX450. Yes its underpowered in comparison. Slightly tighter fit for the family but only slightly. The only thing I don't like in stock form about the 97 LC/LX450 is the front seats are not ideal if you are a large person. The seats don't move back too far. I know there is a mod out there to fix it. the 98+ LC/LX are great for larger people.

Not sure which way to influence but I thought I'd chime in with my experience... Bottom line is I love all 3 vehicles I've driven but I do know the 03 is on the fancy side and I felt bad taking it offroad and hearing rocks scrape underneath. The 97 I love for wheeling and I am not afraid to go places in it or get it scratched or put in hairy situations. The 98/99 might be a great combination of the two depending on your needs.

nakman
09-01-2010, 09:22 AM
Great stuff, thanks Scott... here's a picture of your seat mod http://forum.ih8mud.com/merchandise-storefront/40158-80-series-electric-seat-mod.html though I have no idea if Landtank is still doing those...

....and there's no question in my mind the 80 series is the better wheeler. :bowdown: :thumb:

nakman
09-01-2010, 09:31 AM
Long lost triplets? I don't show trailer threads anymore. Can't take the verbal abuse.


You guys need to work on your approach, you're trying to boil a frog here... (look it up!). You'll never get a trailer until she goes camping with you and gets her own version of trailer envy... ;)

sleeoffroad
09-01-2010, 11:12 AM
I believe is the first year the 100 series went to 3.73 gearing.

Just a fyi, went from 4.30 to 4.11 in 2003 when they introduced the 5 speed tranny.

nakman
09-01-2010, 04:37 PM
Got the new TT today... that cover shot, it's a conspiracy I tell ya.

Oh sure, now I flip my RS calendar to October and there's a picture of Farnham's truck? conspiracy indeed.. :eek:

Corbet
09-01-2010, 06:06 PM
You guys need to work on your approach, you're trying to boil a frog here... (look it up!). You'll never get a trailer until she goes camping with you and gets her own version of trailer envy... ;)

We looked at the Kimberly that Christo had on his showroom floor years ago. She loved it until she saw the price. Same for Adventure Trailers. She wants a camper but more like an E3 or Baja. I want something more trail worthy.

wesintl
09-01-2010, 06:13 PM
believe me get what makes her comfortable and you will have a good time. It's needless to pull these campers all over trails. park it and go out from there. If you feel the need to do some kind of expedition have a guys long weekend tenting it etc.

Bighead
09-01-2010, 06:36 PM
You'll never get a trailer until she goes camping with you and gets her own version of trailer envy... ;)

True...my wife saw Paul May's AT Chaser at CM and that was it. :cheers:

subzali
09-01-2010, 07:15 PM
Wasn't this kind of thinking blasphemy just a few years ago? Did Shotts change all y'alls' minds about 100s? :p:

wesintl
09-01-2010, 07:25 PM
We're talking about land cruisers :confused: I thought Tim wanted a land rover series 100 :D

LARGEONE
09-02-2010, 12:51 PM
Great stuff, thanks Scott... here's a picture of your seat mod http://forum.ih8mud.com/merchandise-storefront/40158-80-series-electric-seat-mod.html though I have no idea if Landtank is still doing those...

....and there's no question in my mind the 80 series is the better wheeler. :bowdown: :thumb:

I installed a seat extender from Landtank in my truck a few years ago and did my neighbor's truck this past weekend. It's an afternoon or morning project. Not difficult. Just a bit of grinding drilling and slight cutting. I went from cramped to not even pushing the seat back all the way. Not the first time I've been told that having a couple extra inches makes a big difference!

Jacket
09-02-2010, 02:55 PM
I installed a seat extender from Landtank in my truck a few years ago and did my neighbor's truck this past weekend. It's an afternoon or morning project. Not difficult. Just a bit of grinding drilling and slight cutting. I went from cramped to not even pushing the seat back all the way. Not the first time I've been told that having a couple extra inches makes a big difference!

I need this! (the seat extension, not the other thing....:D)

100's are cool (just pretending I'm on topic).

Corbet
09-02-2010, 06:28 PM
. Not the first time I've been told that having a couple extra inches makes a big difference!

Someone will have that in their sig line soon.

Nay
09-02-2010, 10:11 PM
I say drop one of these in the 80. 50 state emissions compliant, 434 HP. That'll daily drive some 40's :D

http://www.gmperformanceparts.com/erod/

rover67
09-02-2010, 10:52 PM
I say drop one of these in the 80. 50 state emissions compliant, 434 HP. That'll daily drive some 40's :D

http://www.gmperformanceparts.com/erod/

Man, that makes me want to wear my motor out faster.... giggidy :D

bolt in deal for me!

wesintl
09-03-2010, 10:56 PM
rear ac and a rear locker

http://denver.craigslist.org/cto/1923492215.html

nakman
09-07-2010, 09:56 AM
So can someone confirm what the buttons and switches that are forward of the gear selector are for? I am seeing some 100's with switches there, and others with just a hole there for change or something... :confused: appears to be the variable height control and ride stiffness?

These are both LC's, not LX... which answers that other question about non-LX coming with height control?

Jacket
09-07-2010, 10:00 AM
Did Cruisers come with the XREAS like the 4th gen 4Runners?

Corbet
09-07-2010, 10:41 AM
that is the adjustable suspension controls

theboomboom
09-07-2010, 12:20 PM
Tim- The dial controls suspension firmness (comfort, normal, sport), the up and down selector controls the ride height. It will stay in its low setting if you set it at that position at slow speeds, and I think it automatically drops to the low setting at highway speeds. You can also set it to high and it will stay there until the vehicle travels faster than ~19mph. The rest of the time it defaults its normal setting. The off button will turn off AHC and the suspension acts basically like a normal suspension would- it will not auto-level the vehicle.

The PWR button is like the ECT(?) button on other automatic toyotas, it changes the transmission shift points and make it more "sporty". The 2nd button starts the truck, from a stop, in 2nd gear. Useful for starting on snow/ice because it prevents wheel spin.

Rezarf
09-09-2010, 06:00 PM
Tim-

Call me before dropping the Taco :eek:

Kipper
09-13-2010, 01:14 PM
had to post up here because you're my homeboy nakman. i have a 2001 LX470, i've owned it longer than any other cruiser, 3 or 4 years, the wife currently daily drives it and loves it. super comfy, blah blah blah.

I can tell you the transmission issue for these years is real. I did a bunch of PMing on 'mud and found that the bad run of transmissions was late 2000/early 2001 production dates. this is from PM's to other 'mud members that had reported tranny failures. My manufacture date is 12/2000 and the tranny quit on me without showing any signs of issue and a fully documented dealer maintenance it's whole life. Just thought I'd let you know, it's a pretty crappy way to spend the weekend changing those things out and they ain't cheap. If you can, avoid those production dates if the truck has the OG tranny. word.

100's rock.

nakman
09-13-2010, 10:52 PM
Yo Kipper, crawling out from under that rock to post up! wow, I am touched brother.. :lmao:

yeah I have been filling Christo's email box with multiple inane questions, and he's warned me about the 2000-2001, so that puts me at 98-99 or 2003+, so I've honed my sights on a 1999 model, that way get the rear locker and save some funds for upgrades down in Golden.. :D Looking for a clean one if anyone sees some.

Drew.. may be too late man,sorry, I've got a guy coming over tomorrow night with a checkbook :eek: I will let you know if it falls through though!

Shark Bait
09-13-2010, 11:48 PM
So Tim, the Tacos aren't very roomy? I sat in a double cab version a couple of weeks ago and it didn't seem too bad. It almost seemed a little roomier than the new 4-Runner. And I agree about the looks of the new Runner. :eek: Maybe it would grow on a person.

I've been considering a change, in part because I'm worried that at 230k miles there undoubtedly will be some costly repair in my future. I suppose some of it is just boredom. I love my 80. I guess a repair is still cheaper than a new vehicle. Hadn't considered a 100 series. Can you really get 18-19 mpg in a 100? Aren't they cheaper to maintain?

nakman
09-14-2010, 09:27 AM
Depends on the Taco.. they got roomier in 2005 what year did you sit in?

I think 15-16 is more realistic for MPG in a 100, once you bolt on a couple extras.. maybe 18 on your best day.

Doubtful in my mind they're any cheaper to maintain... in fact some ways it's more.

Corbet
09-14-2010, 10:35 AM
I'd say the front end of the 100 is requires less PM than an 80's solid axle. But you have a timing belt in the 100 that needs to be replaced every so often. So its probably a wash. The rest of the vehicles are pretty similar.

powderpig
09-14-2010, 11:01 AM
I would say a 100 is easier and cheaper. Only front wheel bearing to do a repack on. Sure the timing belt and stuff (90-100k miles). Semi floater rear end, so no repack there. Then it is just fluids(similar to 80, PS, brakes, transmission, t-case and diff, grease u-joints).
Starter may seem like a bitch, but not really if you do it once or twice, just a bit more time involved.
CV can be easier and quicker to change on the trail if you have problems, Brakes last longer. But some parts could cost more if they fail. Like the Brake electric booster, most of the computers. The climate control system.
they are a nice ride, have plenty of room and handle all the weather condition with confidence.
Nice choice, but I would look at the later ones with the 5 speed and opt of installing air lockers later. The 5 speed is IMHO a far better package for drive ability. But you really can not go wrong if you can get the dual AC in the early ones.

nakman
09-14-2010, 11:24 AM
I would say a 100 is easier and cheaper...

Yahoo! Looking forward to your next tech visit, Robbie.. :D :bowdown: :robbie:

Shark Bait
09-14-2010, 06:34 PM
Depends on the Taco.. they got roomier in 2005 what year did you sit in?

I think 15-16 is more realistic for MPG in a 100, once you bolt on a couple extras.. maybe 18 on your best day.

Doubtful in my mind they're any cheaper to maintain... in fact some ways it's more.

2010, I think. It was new on the lot at GO. Seemed roomier than the new Runner. Interesting, there was kind of a flimsy looking 2HI-4HI-4LO switch on the dash of the Taco. The Runner still has a t-case shifter.

Old40Dog
09-14-2010, 08:26 PM
So Tim, the Tacos aren't very roomy? I sat in a double cab version a couple of weeks ago and it didn't seem too bad. It almost seemed a little roomier than the new 4-Runner. And I agree about the looks of the new Runner. :eek: Maybe it would grow on a person.

I've been considering a change, in part because I'm worried that at 230k miles there undoubtedly will be some costly repair in my future. I suppose some of it is just boredom. I love my 80. I guess a repair is still cheaper than a new vehicle. Hadn't considered a 100 series. Can you really get 18-19 mpg in a 100? Aren't they cheaper to maintain?

IMHO....FWIW...I have a 98 X-tra Cab Taco and I love it, but being a little guy myself....I'd dump the Taco idea and strongly consider doing a 1HD-T diesel conversion and being done with it for the rest of a lifetime....:lmao: At least that's what I'm lookin' at up here for Idelle's 80! Crap you can adapt the diesel to run on just about anything.....Contact DanS on the forum for more info on the conversion.:thumb: It's a one and done deal...and not all that difficult.

subzali
09-14-2010, 08:33 PM
FWIW, my stock 2000 Tundra (basically the same engine as a 100) gets about 15.5 to 16.5 mpg, with my best ever being 17.2 mpg. And that's stock. YMMV of course, but in case you were wondering.

nakman
09-14-2010, 10:37 PM
Well the Taco drove away tonight.. kind of bitter/sweet. Went to a really nice couple though, friend of a club member, so I'm sure we'll see it again many times...

But there's a big hole in my garage now, so actively looking for a 100 if anyone sees one. Ideal truck is a 99, rear locker, rear AC, 120k miles in good shape and up to date maintenance for $12k. And a color that doesn't show scratches.. :)

MDH33
09-15-2010, 08:29 AM
Sad the Taco went. Wish I could have snagged it. :rolleyes: ;)

Here's a 100 in Phoenix that has the rear ac and locker (I think) for 12K. Slightly higher miles, but looks nice.

http://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/ctd/1953428163.html

sno bored
09-15-2010, 11:31 AM
Down to 14K, on MUD http://forum.ih8mud.com/vehicles-trailers-sale-wanted/412960-99-fzj100-lc-wifes-cruiser-lockers-never-off-road.html

CardinalFJ60
09-15-2010, 11:38 AM
Man, I also wish I could have snagged that Taco. the good news is that it DID in fact go to a great couple who completely appreciates how Nakman built and maintained that truck. He'll use it as intended and I have a feeling he'll be joining us in the club shortly. (yes, it's a guy in my office who bought it). :D :thumb:

corsair23
09-15-2010, 12:17 PM
Sad the Taco went. Wish I could have snagged it. :rolleyes: ;)

Here's a 100 in Phoenix that has the rear ac and locker (I think) for 12K. Slightly higher miles, but looks nice.

http://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/ctd/1953428163.html

Dealership...Might be able to snag that for $10K or less :) - IIRC typical markup on used cars is 25% - at least it use to be.

nakman
09-15-2010, 01:29 PM
Down to 14K, on MUD http://forum.ih8mud.com/vehicles-trailers-sale-wanted/412960-99-fzj100-lc-wifes-cruiser-lockers-never-off-road.html

Yeah I was drooling over that one last night Kevin, looks very clean. Too bad Santa Barbara is so far away...

edit: that Phoenix one is temping too, if that same deal were in Denver I'd be looking at it. Keep 'em coming! :cheers:

nakman
09-15-2010, 01:36 PM
... . (yes, it's a guy in my office who bought it). :D :thumb:

btw Shawn I owe you dinner, check your email already! :D :beer:

Corbet
09-15-2010, 03:15 PM
in Durango. Not the year you want but you could call for the build date. It's silver, needs glass but other wise the body looks straight. I did not go over it close. But if the build date checks out I could take a closer look for you.

nakman
09-15-2010, 11:00 PM
Oh boy.. http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?ct=p&car_id=280880551&dealer_id=65357521&car_year=1999&rdm=1284609203153&lastStartYear=1981&model=LC&num_records=25&systime=&make2=&highlightFirstMakeModel=&start_year=1998&keywordsfyc=&keywordsrep=&engine=&certified=&body_code=0&fuel=&awsp=false&search_type=both&distance=500&marketZipError=false&search_lang=en&sownerid=42237177&showZipError=n&make=TOYOTA&keywords_display=&color=&page_location=findacar%3A%3Aispsearchform&min_price=&drive=&default_sort=newsortbyprice_DESC&seller_type=b&max_mileage=&style_flag=1&sort_type=priceDESC&address=80020&advanced=&end_year=2003&doors=&transmission=&max_price=15000&cardist=586&standard=false&rdpage=thumb

simps80
09-15-2010, 11:24 PM
best part of that ^^^^^ auto trader ad


"3 Inches of Old Man a mule suspension"


hmmm.....:D

btw google still rocks.... you put that phrase in there first hit is that 100 add on auto trader

old man a mule .... I should start a knock off brand ....

corsair23
09-16-2010, 12:49 AM
Oh boy.. http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?ct=p&car_id=280880551&dealer_id=65357521&car_year=1999&rdm=1284609203153&lastStartYear=1981&model=LC&num_records=25&systime=&make2=&highlightFirstMakeModel=&start_year=1998&keywordsfyc=&keywordsrep=&engine=&certified=&body_code=0&fuel=&awsp=false&search_type=both&distance=500&marketZipError=false&search_lang=en&sownerid=42237177&showZipError=n&make=TOYOTA&keywords_display=&color=&page_location=findacar%3A%3Aispsearchform&min_price=&drive=&default_sort=newsortbyprice_DESC&seller_type=b&max_mileage=&style_flag=1&sort_type=priceDESC&address=80020&advanced=&end_year=2003&doors=&transmission=&max_price=15000&cardist=586&standard=false&rdpage=thumb

Nice looking 100 but I'm not digging the headlamps so much...Too Land Roverish :hill:

60wag
09-16-2010, 06:59 AM
So do the aftermarket HID lamps have auto leveling function? If they don't, I would stay away fro them.

MDH33
09-16-2010, 07:42 AM
Oh boy.. http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?ct=p&car_id=280880551&dealer_id=65357521&car_year=1999&rdm=1284609203153&lastStartYear=1981&model=LC&num_records=25&systime=&make2=&highlightFirstMakeModel=&start_year=1998&keywordsfyc=&keywordsrep=&engine=&certified=&body_code=0&fuel=&awsp=false&search_type=both&distance=500&marketZipError=false&search_lang=en&sownerid=42237177&showZipError=n&make=TOYOTA&keywords_display=&color=&page_location=findacar%3A%3Aispsearchform&min_price=&drive=&default_sort=newsortbyprice_DESC&seller_type=b&max_mileage=&style_flag=1&sort_type=priceDESC&address=80020&advanced=&end_year=2003&doors=&transmission=&max_price=15000&cardist=586&standard=false&rdpage=thumb

Planning a trip down to AZ yet, Tim? :D

rover67
09-16-2010, 08:27 AM
Oh boy.. http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?ct=p&car_id=280880551&dealer_id=65357521&car_year=1999&rdm=1284609203153&lastStartYear=1981&model=LC&num_records=25&systime=&make2=&highlightFirstMakeModel=&start_year=1998&keywordsfyc=&keywordsrep=&engine=&certified=&body_code=0&fuel=&awsp=false&search_type=both&distance=500&marketZipError=false&search_lang=en&sownerid=42237177&showZipError=n&make=TOYOTA&keywords_display=&color=&page_location=findacar%3A%3Aispsearchform&min_price=&drive=&default_sort=newsortbyprice_DESC&seller_type=b&max_mileage=&style_flag=1&sort_type=priceDESC&address=80020&advanced=&end_year=2003&doors=&transmission=&max_price=15000&cardist=586&standard=false&rdpage=thumb

I kinda dig it.....

Uncle Ben
09-16-2010, 08:31 AM
Oh boy.. http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?ct=p&car_id=280880551&dealer_id=65357521&car_year=1999&rdm=1284609203153&lastStartYear=1981&model=LC&num_records=25&systime=&make2=&highlightFirstMakeModel=&start_year=1998&keywordsfyc=&keywordsrep=&engine=&certified=&body_code=0&fuel=&awsp=false&search_type=both&distance=500&marketZipError=false&search_lang=en&sownerid=42237177&showZipError=n&make=TOYOTA&keywords_display=&color=&page_location=findacar%3A%3Aispsearchform&min_price=&drive=&default_sort=newsortbyprice_DESC&seller_type=b&max_mileage=&style_flag=1&sort_type=priceDESC&address=80020&advanced=&end_year=2003&doors=&transmission=&max_price=15000&cardist=586&standard=false&rdpage=thumb




Pre Rooted.....I like it! It separates it from the sea of IFS Mall wagons!

sleeoffroad
09-16-2010, 09:33 AM
Those lights are the same I had in the Blueberry. They are not very good. I did them since it was a rock truck and OE Toyota was expensive for something that might get broken again. Not something I would run on the street in a family waggon. They do look cool though.

Hulk
09-16-2010, 12:45 PM
Oh boy.. http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?ct=p&car_id=280880551&dealer_id=65357521&car_year=1999&rdm=1284609203153&lastStartYear=1981&model=LC&num_records=25&systime=&make2=&highlightFirstMakeModel=&start_year=1998&keywordsfyc=&keywordsrep=&engine=&certified=&body_code=0&fuel=&awsp=false&search_type=both&distance=500&marketZipError=false&search_lang=en&sownerid=42237177&showZipError=n&make=TOYOTA&keywords_display=&color=&page_location=findacar%3A%3Aispsearchform&min_price=&drive=&default_sort=newsortbyprice_DESC&seller_type=b&max_mileage=&style_flag=1&sort_type=priceDESC&address=80020&advanced=&end_year=2003&doors=&transmission=&max_price=15000&cardist=586&standard=false&rdpage=thumb

It's even got a giant subwoofer box. I wonder if it comes with some gold chains and a baseball cap with a flat brim.

nakman
09-16-2010, 02:09 PM
Ok I'm glad to see you guys are getting on board with this.. I can't buy that AZ one because it's already done, but some of those mods sure got me thinking.. :)

http://images.autotrader.com/scaler/565/421/images/2010/6/5/280/880/16257873503.280880551.IM1.14.565x421_A.562x421.jpg

corsair23
09-16-2010, 03:45 PM
I can't buy that AZ one because it's already done, but some of those mods sure got me thinking..

I know you enjoy the build up but maybe it is time to let someone else spend all the $$ building them up and taking a loss :hill:

I wonder though, can the 100 handle 35" tires well? I got the impression 33's were the limit before things got real expensive...

nakman
09-16-2010, 04:28 PM
I know you enjoy the build up but maybe it is time to let someone else spend all the $$ building them up and taking a loss :hill:

I wonder though, can the 100 handle 35" tires well? I got the impression 33's were the limit before things got real expensive...

I wouldn't run 35's unless the truck was regeared. And it's doubtful the AZ guy did that, or else he would have mentioned that in the ad, right? But yeah I hear it's expensive to put 35's on an 80 too for that matter.. :o

pmccumber
09-16-2010, 07:24 PM
If I buy a 100, I'm looking Oregon and Washington. Coolant probably never sees 200. Leather and paint never sees a UV ray. Pristine. Buy it, bring it back her, and bake the life out of it.

farnhamstj
09-16-2010, 07:32 PM
You can run 35's with 2.5" lift. Lower the rear bumpstops and add 1" spacers to the rims. Oh yeah and regear. I choose not to run 35's because 33's seem to go everywhere I need to go. I don't do mud. Factory difs on the earlier ones is 4.3. So it is possible. If money were no object I'd ARB the rear diff instead of a factory locker. I run 4.88's and 33's, my truck is happy pulling my camper over the pass. I'm not sure I can tell the difference off road bacause of the automatic tranny.

Tim, I'm glad you're excited about the 100 series. I am very happy with mine. There is a big difference in mini truck ifs and Land Cruiser ifs. You will not be disapointed.

coax
09-18-2010, 08:07 PM
Well the Taco drove away tonight.. kind of bitter/sweet. Went to a really nice couple though, friend of a club member, so I'm sure we'll see it again many times...

But there's a big hole in my garage now, so actively looking for a 100 if anyone sees one. Ideal truck is a 99, rear locker, rear AC, 120k miles in good shape and up to date maintenance for $12k. And a color that doesn't show scratches.. :)

http://denver.craigslist.org/ctd/1902702080.html

That one is a 98 for 16k, but 76k miles.

Corbet
09-18-2010, 08:20 PM
http://denver.craigslist.org/ctd/1902702080.html

That one is a 98 for 16k, but 76k miles.

its at a dealer so you should be able to talk him/her down a few grand if they own it right. Plus not too many buyers in todays market will get approved for a $16K loan on a 10+ year old vehicle. Its pretty much a cash transaction type rig for a dealer. I'd go check that one out. But the wheels:doh:

nakman
09-18-2010, 11:44 PM
Nice ride, but I'm not a LX guy.

I looked at one today that seemed nice mechanically, but cosmetically was pretty trashed..
http://images.autotrader.com/scaler/565/421/images/2010/9/16/286/036/17409201682.286036865.IM1.MAIN.565x421_A.562x421.jpg
http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?ct=u&car_id=286036865&dealer_id=1363082&car_year=1999&rdm=1284871232046&lastStartYear=1981&model=LC&num_records=25&systime=&make2=&highlightFirstMakeModel=&start_year=1998&keywordsfyc=&keywordsrep=&engine=&certified=&body_code=0&fuel=&awsp=false&search_type=both&distance=25&marketZipError=false&search_lang=en&sownerid=42237177&showZipError=y&make=TOYOTA&keywords_display=&color=&page_location=findacar%3A%3Aispsearchform&min_price=&drive=&default_sort=newsortbyprice_DESC&seller_type=b&max_mileage=&style_flag=1&sort_type=priceDESC&address=80020&advanced=&end_year=2003&doors=&transmission=&max_price=16000&cardist=13&standard=false

The fender flares were loose, panels in the cargo area were pretty dinged up, that speaker grill thing was torn, lots of little tears in the 3rd row seats.. plus the carpet looked like it had been puked on multiple times, or maybe the whole thing got wet? And the steering wheel had some new cover thing on it, and the aftermarket head unit wouldn't shut on its own, and the key didn't fit in the passenger door, but the alarm works so it goes off every time you unlock the driver door (oh because there's no key with the remote buttons) and the windshield was cracked, on and all the fake wood was peeling up. Now some of that would be destined for the trash regardless, but this one a little too far gone, IMO...


edit: saw a much nicer one later, am looking at it again on Monday.. :bolt:

farnhamstj
09-19-2010, 07:38 PM
That lexus looked pretty sweet to me. If you could get it for $13, That would be hard to pass up. You know you're gonna 4.88 and ARB anyway. And your gonna replace the AHC for 2.5" lift anyway. It's gonna need 100k service in a year $1500ish and starter rebuild. Good luck with the search. Don't be afraid of torn seat stitching. It can be restitched pretty easily. Another thing to watch for is rusted cables on the tailgate. The plastic holds water and they break. Only $10 for new ones but you have to catch it before they break or you get tailgate damage.

farnhamstj
09-19-2010, 07:39 PM
I'd like to take those bling rims and smash them into some rocks.

nakman
09-23-2010, 09:50 AM
alright Corsair, you caught me.. :rant:





:D

Shark Bait
09-23-2010, 09:51 AM
alright Corsair, you caught me.. :rant:
:D

Well, are you happy with it? :rolleyes:

wesintl
09-23-2010, 10:02 AM
ptarmigan strikes again... congrats

Uncle Ben
09-23-2010, 10:41 AM
Poor 80 has be kicked out....discarded like and old shoe..... :(

nakman
09-23-2010, 11:28 AM
Poor 80 has be kicked out....discarded like and old shoe..... :(

that's only because all of those kid toys took over that space.. I tell ya the toys and bikes and scooters are like a fungus.. they just grow and grow into whatever open space is available.


Anyway the 100 is really really nice. Grey leather is almost new, way softer than the 80... interior is just a little bigger & posher compared to the 80, but if feels very pimpin', and Michele likes it a lot. Kind of fun having a little more power, that's for sure..

I've got two disappointments so far compared to the 80- the front headrests don't tilt, and the firewall doesn't have a bunch of wire grommets on it.. took me forever to fish the power & coax through for the ham radio. Plus the truck sits too low to roll under on the creeper, but at least there's a fix for that one.

Hulk
09-23-2010, 11:33 AM
Awesome, Tim! Congrats!

Jacket
09-23-2010, 01:56 PM
that's only because all of those kid toys took over that space.. I tell ya the toys and bikes and scooters are like a fungus.. they just grow and grow into whatever open space is available.


So true.....

Congrats Tim. She's purty! Are you gonna post up some specs/options/features?

nakman
09-23-2010, 02:19 PM
thanks all.. this is going to be fun. Not sure what specs/options there are..

1999, 142K miles, white, gray interior, completely stock. 2 owner car, both in Arizona.. first one about 10 years, second one only long enough to move to Colorado then trade it in on something else. All PM has been done- fluids, timing belt, etc. I poked the first of many wires through the firewall on Tuesday night. :D

corsair23
09-23-2010, 02:22 PM
Sweet :thumb:

Sorry for outing you :hill:

I've been working on the :Princess: to start seriously consider "trading" her 80 in for a 100 - The 80 never goes offroad and I believe gets worse gas mileage than a 100 would so I see no downside other than maintenance issues, and probably the additional $$ to move up to the 100.

pmccumber
09-23-2010, 02:41 PM
Tim - got a link to the one you ended up with?

Sounds kind of fun.

wesintl
09-23-2010, 05:14 PM
I've got two disappointments so far compared to the 80- the front headrests don't tilt,

you're gonna put DVD's in them anyway... :p:

nakman
09-23-2010, 05:22 PM
Paul, they took down the listing already, but it didn't have any pictures anyway. I'll get some more pictures up tonight. $13K is probably the number you were looking for anyway.. probably on the high end of the year/miles/price continuum but everything cheaper was just trashed, so we were willing to go a little more for nicer shape.


you're gonna put DVD's in them anyway... :p:

That's funny you say that, I had these picked out like 4 weeks ago.. :rolleyes:

http://www.crutchfield.com/p_435ESS71RG/ESS-Headrest-Video-Package-Gray.html?c=3&tp=80&avf=N

http://a248.e.akamai.net/pix.crutchfield.com/products/2010/4/435/h435ESS71RB-f.jpeg

Corbet
09-23-2010, 05:26 PM
Time to change the title on this thread. Your no longer thinking about... You've done it.

nakman
09-23-2010, 11:19 PM
Time to change the title on this thread. Your no longer thinking about... You've done it.


Yeah except now you're thinking about it.. though I predict Corsair's next. :D

corsair23
09-24-2010, 12:24 AM
Yeah except now you're thinking about it.. though I predict Corsair's next. :D

I wish :) - Need to wait till next year once I know how the job situation settles out. For now, all vehicles are paid for which is a good thing.

Shark Bait
09-24-2010, 12:43 AM
They look nice. I'm probably going for a car next. Hmmmm... Which Land Cruiser do I sell to come up with the down payment? :eek:

DaveInDenver
09-24-2010, 06:52 AM
Whoa, double rainbow. Cool.

Corbet
09-24-2010, 08:41 AM
Yeah except now you're thinking about it.. though I predict Corsair's next. :D

It's much more likely that our next LC is a 200 series. My 80 only has 123K. Plan to drive it for a long time to come.

farnhamstj
09-24-2010, 09:12 AM
Nice Tim. I like the Bling gold emblems. You wear the sombrero around your neck like Flava-Flave and get gold teeth.

My headrests tilt???


The Nakgadgets for the 100 is about to go off!!! I'm excited. How about a solution for the overly big cubholders?

I'm sure you've already searched for all the upgrades. But be sure to check out Zanes 100. He's done some great work.

FJBRADY
09-24-2010, 09:40 AM
Nice Tim. I like the Bling gold emblems. You wear the sombrero around your neck like Flava-Flave and get gold teeth.



Yeah Boyyyyyy

sleeoffroad
09-24-2010, 10:47 AM
Pot O'Gold at the end of the rainbow. Pretty cool :) Working on the add-ons. I would like to think that console piece I gave Tim to design the mic holder is what inspired him to get a 100 :)

bh4rnnr
09-24-2010, 12:48 PM
Good looking rig Tim! Expo white none the less:). Look forward to seeing the mods:thumb:

:beer:

Crash
11-16-2010, 10:52 AM
Nak, it's been a couple of months now since you bought the 100, so any further thoughts and experiences you could share with possible future 100 owners? If you have already started another thread on the subject, please direct me to it. Thanks.

Jacket
11-16-2010, 10:56 AM
so any further thoughts and experiences you could share with possible future 100 owners?

Uh oh....:)

Mendocino
11-16-2010, 11:24 AM
Nak, it's been a couple of months now since you bought the 100, so any further thoughts and experiences you could share with possible future 100 owners? If you have already started another thread on the subject, please direct me to it. Thanks.

Ive only had mine a short time but am extremely happy with it. I would buy another one in a heartbeat. I took it on a road trip last weekend to go elk hunting and it was great.:thumb:

nakman
11-16-2010, 11:38 AM
No regrets at all.. I don't miss the truck one bit and I'm liking the 100 even more than the 80 on some levels. There are other areas where the 80 will always be the superior vehicle.. but the 100 is a real pleasure to drive, ride around in, and even work on. I'm glad I made the jump, come on over, Steve! :beer2:

Crash
11-16-2010, 02:38 PM
Thanks, Tim. Make the jump? Definitely maybe. :)

timmbuck2
11-16-2010, 02:55 PM
also thinking of trading Amber's 80 in for a 100...

timmbuck2
11-16-2010, 05:00 PM
OK, so officially looking to sell Amber's locked 80 and find her a 100 about the same as what Nakman was looking for...I know I know, my 80 keeps looking more and more like his and now I want to copy him some more!! :)

Nay
11-17-2010, 04:31 PM
I'm liking the 100 even more than the 80 on some levels.

100 is the new black.

This trend may actually make 80's cool again :D

Crash
11-20-2010, 07:27 PM
Getting closer to definitely. White w/ gray interior is a cool color combo!

Crash
11-20-2010, 10:19 PM
Oh boy, NOW I start reading about 100 series keys on Mud. Maybe I should stick with old school 60 series stuff. Too late now, though. Maybe. ;)

nakman
11-20-2010, 10:55 PM
Don't fear the keys, Steve, as long as you get one with the remote buttons you can add more easily. Is there a new 100 in the club? :)

Crash
11-21-2010, 10:12 AM
Don't fear the keys, Steve, as long as you get one with the remote buttons you can add more easily. Is there a new 100 in the club? :)

No, not yet, but......