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Jacket
08-30-2010, 04:21 PM
Big storms caused a huge washout at the Mineral Bottom switchbacks. The article below says "several weeks" for repairs, but I've also heard much longer than that (like over a year) before the full loop can be completed again.


http://www.utahoutside.com/2010/08/white-rim-trail-washout-closes-mineral-bottom-switchbacks/

:eek:

http://www.utahoutside.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/minbottom.jpg

TIMZTOY
08-30-2010, 04:26 PM
:eek:

DaveInDenver
08-30-2010, 04:26 PM
Man, that sucks, really so for people who want to raft Labyrinth Canyon.

FJBRADY
08-30-2010, 04:27 PM
Oh heavens :flop:

wesintl
08-30-2010, 04:39 PM
would have been awesome to see that wash out

AxleIke
08-30-2010, 04:41 PM
Repost!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:d:d:d:d

wesintl
08-30-2010, 04:45 PM
true. but it links a different article with pictures. me likey pitchers :hill:

Rock Dog
08-30-2010, 05:03 PM
Man, that sucks, really so for people who want to raft Labyrinth Canyon.

True, and it would really suck to be stuck at the bottom..:(

nakman
08-30-2010, 05:46 PM
How steep is that wash... could one drive up the river bed to get out? Just fantasizing about what I'd do if stuck down there... would you try to build the road back up? or could you get away with a more point & shoot approach?

wesintl
08-30-2010, 06:03 PM
basically 75*. f-n steep. and to drive out you would just drive out potash rd and not be stuck :meh:

DaveInDenver
08-30-2010, 07:26 PM
The climb up from Mineral Bottoms to the top of the switchbacks is about 1,000 feet in elevation gained and about 2 miles. The first mile is gentle, so like Wes says the switchbacks are f'n steep. The fisheye distorts things, but the wash out would be lower right side.

http://www.armbrusterweb.com/public/webshots/wrt_26_med.jpg

DaveInDenver
08-30-2010, 08:24 PM
basically 75*. f-n steep. and to drive out you would just drive out potash rd and not be stuck :meh:
You're thinking of the Shafer side. The Mineral Bottom side is at the end of Horsethief Point. There is no alternative other than floating the Green River or driving the whole White Rim trail, although you could hike down a couple of ways.

wesintl
08-30-2010, 08:30 PM
yeah, sorry I mixed up the ends :|

Corbet
08-30-2010, 08:32 PM
How steep is that wash... could one drive up the river bed to get out?

No not possible.

basically 75*. f-n steep. and to drive out you would just drive out potash rd and not be stuck :meh:

Unless you did not have the fuel to exit that way. That's probably 100+ miles of trail before you hit a fuel station. Plus from memory that trail is pretty much graded to the river (Subaru access) but to get out via White Rim with a Subie would prove quit the challenge

It would suck to be at the bottem when that happened. Especially if you parked in the wrong spot.

AxleIke
08-30-2010, 09:12 PM
It will be interesting to see what happens here. The rest of the Canyonlands roads are an even more interesting point (Salt creek, elephant hill, etc...).

My old man works for the Air Resources Division of the National Park Service.

Amongst the higher ups, closing roads in National Parks has always been a fantasy, and with the environmental devastation of those roads, they will likely push to have them closed down. We'll see though.

At least with the switch backs, I believe they are on BLM land, and there is a lot of tourism associated with the white rim trail. As for Elephant hill and salt creek, its a toss up.

DaveInDenver
08-31-2010, 06:58 AM
The switchbacks are indeed on BLM land. On the WRT you enter the NP a few miles down from Mineral Bottom. In this case I don't think they can or will ignore this road because of the access to Labyrinth Canyon. If it was just a recreational OHV road, maybe, but not here because of mountain bikers, rafters, commercial guides, etc.

Beater
08-31-2010, 07:19 AM
that canyon sees a lot of recreational use. tons.

DaveInDenver
09-03-2010, 05:57 PM
http://expeditionportal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=48093

http://expeditionportal.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=46110&d=1283543841

http://expeditionportal.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=46111&d=1283543841

http://expeditionportal.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=46112&d=1283543841

coax
09-03-2010, 08:54 PM
Thats gonna be one big construction project!!

Rezarf
09-04-2010, 05:05 PM
wow, I was WAY off on the scale of that project, the people in it make a huge difference!

:eek:

DaveInDenver
09-04-2010, 06:36 PM
wow, I was WAY off on the scale of that project, the people in it make a huge difference!

:eek:
Man, to have been there to see it, eh?

Imagine the amount of water and power that it took to do that. And geologically that is tiny when you consider the time and forces it took to make the canyon itself and really the whole Colorado and Green River basins.

Awe inspiring.

Rezarf
09-07-2010, 12:18 AM
I have a permit for Oct 2011. I hope it is up and running by then.