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Big-J
01-09-2011, 12:02 AM
So I need a new set of tires and was thinking about going with a smaller width. They say a thinner tire does better in the mud and snow, but Im not sure what size I should go with? Currently Im running 265/70R16 on a 1999 4Runner SR5. What do you guys think about doing this, is it worth it or should I stick with what I already have? I don't like the rims I have on now, so going with something basic, no frills, cheap but durable isn't a problem.

Corbet
01-09-2011, 08:24 AM
Are you suggesting a 255/75r16 then?

Edit: meant 255/85r16. my bad

Nay
01-09-2011, 08:36 AM
A fatter tire does better in the rocks, if you are going to wheel it thinner isn't going to help you.

jacdaw
01-09-2011, 08:50 AM
Thinner helps you dig down through the slop to the hard pan. I run 235/85r16 (almost 32") but I'm not a rock crawler anymore. Airing down my tires does not increase footprint/grip but it does increase comfort.:D This is a great snowy pavement and plow-wake busting tire. I've never tried deep, off road snow. Mud has proven to be easy enough as well.

Jacket
01-09-2011, 09:14 AM
x2 on 235/85. You'll get all the height with a much smaller contact patch and reduced rolling resistance. It'll come down to whether or not you like the looks of something that skinny.

Big-J
01-10-2011, 01:07 PM
Are you suggesting a 255/75r16 then?

Im not suggesting anything, I looking for suggestions.


A fatter tire does better in the rocks, if you are going to wheel it thinner isn't going to help you.

Im not a rock crawler. I get up to the mountains for camping/fishing/boarding/hiking, so I doubt thinner tires will hurt for what I use my Runner for.

Thinner helps you dig down through the slop to the hard pan. I run 235/85r16 (almost 32") but I'm not a rock crawler anymore. Airing down my tires does not increase footprint/grip but it does increase comfort.:D This is a great snowy pavement and plow-wake busting tire. I've never tried deep, off road snow. Mud has proven to be easy enough as well.

I'll have to see what that size looks like, I don't want to go super skinny. I just want a good all around tire that Im comfortable with all year round.

Big-J
01-10-2011, 01:07 PM
x2 on 235/85. You'll get all the height with a much smaller contact patch and reduced rolling resistance. It'll come down to whether or not you like the looks of something that skinny.


Im gonna have to see what that looks like!

SteveH
01-10-2011, 01:38 PM
That's the stock tire size on late 80s-late 90s Ford F250 pickups, if you want to see that tire on an actual truck. I agree that they are skinny and find traction well, and tend not to hydroplane. I rarely see them on any other stock trucks, other than 3/4-1 ton pickups.

jacdaw
01-10-2011, 01:46 PM
That's the stock tire size on late 80s-late 90s Ford F250 pickups, if you want to see that tire on an actual truck. I agree that they are skinny and find traction well, and tend not to hydroplane. I rarely see them on any other stock trucks, other than 3/4-1 ton pickups.And they are common enough that most places will have a set in stock. My local Good Year dealer has a few sets in stock of the very capable Wrangler DuraTrac in 235/85/16. And that tire is studdable if you like.

Big-J
01-10-2011, 01:49 PM
The only thing is that I have to find rims that would fit these tires also!

Jacket
01-10-2011, 02:08 PM
Any stock 16x7 Toyota rim works. I've seen this tire size on Tacomas, both the new gen and the previous gen.

nakman
01-10-2011, 02:17 PM
... Airing down my tires does not increase footprint/grip ...

Yeah it does, John. Your footprint gets bigger, but it gets bigger by getting more longer than wider.. you're still increasing footprint and grip when you air those skinny boys down.

Caribou Sandstorm
01-10-2011, 02:17 PM
235x85x16 is like a 32" and 255x85x16 is like a 33", the width on these is around 10 inches maybe 10.5 depending on the brand.

Both should work out fine on stock toyota 16x7s, as Matt has said.

jacdaw
01-10-2011, 03:32 PM
The only thing is that I have to find rims that would fit these tires also! I was assuming what you said in the first post was still true: "I don't like the rims I have on now, so going with something basic, no frills, cheap but durable isn't a problem."

I bought 5 16" used styled argent steel Toyota wheels for my Nissan Pathfinder from my Good Year dealer. They got them from a salvage company in Denver. They had about 20-30 dropped off and then we picked the best 5 of the bunch. They charged me $50/wheel back in 2006.

jacdaw
01-10-2011, 03:35 PM
Yeah it does, John. Your footprint gets bigger, but it gets bigger by getting more longer than wider.. you're still increasing footprint and grip when you air those skinny boys down.I guess mine are so old that the sidewalls are too hard and stiff to deflect much. I've gone down to 12 psi with no deflection. My current tires are BFG ATs of very old, but unknown age.:rolleyes: My wheels are 16x7 Centerline fakies.

subzali
01-10-2011, 03:43 PM
Tire Date Codes (http://www.risingsun4x4club.org/forum2/showpost.php?p=83780&postcount=22)

IIRC they may not have a noticeably larger contact patch until you do the Robbie-approved chalk demonstration.

jacdaw
01-10-2011, 03:51 PM
Tire Date Codes (http://www.risingsun4x4club.org/forum2/showpost.php?p=83780&postcount=22)

IIRC they may not have a noticeably larger contact patch until you do the Robbie-approved chalk demonstration.Yeah, Matt, I can't find a date code on these. I chose to replace the tires on the daily driver first, but these do need to be replaced sooner than later.

Big-J
01-10-2011, 04:47 PM
Any stock 16x7 Toyota rim works. I've seen this tire size on Tacomas, both the new gen and the previous gen.

oh nice, well then one less thing I have to worry about. Even though I don't really like my wheels, I don't wanna spend any more cash than I need to.

Thanks for all the info guys, its really helped me out.

Anyone have any tire recommendations? I'm currently running the Yokohama AT/S and have been really satisfied with them till now that they are bald, I'm not brand loyal though unless it proves to be way better.

jacdaw
01-10-2011, 04:56 PM
DuraTrac on GoodYear's site (http://www.goodyeartires.com/tire/wrangler-duratrac/)

DuraTrac on TireRack (http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Goodyear&tireModel=Wrangler+DuraTrac)

Yokohama Y742S (http://www.yokohamatire.com/tires_commercial/y742s.aspx) (my favorite year 'round tire)

Big-J
01-11-2011, 11:04 AM
So am I going to have enough room in the wheel well with this tire (235x85x16), its definitely a taller tire?

I like that Y742S, going took more into that one.

MountainGoat
01-11-2011, 12:18 PM
So am I going to have enough room in the wheel well with this tire (235x85x16), its definitely a taller tire?

We have 235/85x16 BFG ATs on our 2000 4Runner with no lift. They are tall but I can't get them to rub at all. I really like tall skinny tires.:hill:

Big-J
01-11-2011, 12:52 PM
Thats awesome, I think I will like the taller tires!

jacdaw
01-11-2011, 03:21 PM
So am I going to have enough room in the wheel well with this tire (235x85x16), its definitely a taller tire?

I like that Y742S, going took more into that one.The photo in my sig is of my truck with no lift and 235/85. They have never rubbed. Make sure when you buy your new 16" wheels to get the correct backspace for your truck and you'll be fine.

I bought my first set of Y742S from Tirerack but they don't seem to carry the 235/85 anymore, just the 7.0-15. Big-O is a Yoko dealer so that's where I'm going to order them next time.

Big-J
01-12-2011, 03:51 PM
Anyone in need of a set of tires? I can usually talk them down more if I buy more than one set! Group Buy?

Big-J
01-14-2011, 10:27 AM
No one needs tires? Bueller Bueller........

jacdaw
01-14-2011, 12:56 PM
I do need tires, but no :twocents: right now for such trivialities. :( If you decide to get the Y742S, tel us where you get them and for how much.:thumb:

Big-J
01-20-2011, 11:53 AM
Just got a set of Goodyear DuraTrac for $165 at Discount, getting them mounted tomorrow.

Have to give 5 stars to Discount Tire and the manager Matt Walters on 2446 South Colorado Boulevard! Customer service is second to none!

jacdaw
01-20-2011, 12:25 PM
Just got a set of Goodyear DuraTrac for $165 at Discount, getting them mounted tomorrow.

Have to give 5 stars to Discount Tire and the manager Matt Walters on 2446 South Colorado Boulevard! Customer service is second to none!Studs or no?

Big-J
01-20-2011, 12:37 PM
Studs or no?

no studs.