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MDH33
01-17-2011, 09:49 PM
Any recommendations on what to get for a cheap 2M HT? I don't need bells and whistles, just a simple, sturdy 2M HT for wheeling.

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MDH33
01-18-2011, 07:16 AM
Thanks Dave. If I were to buy something new, would the FT60R be a good choice?

leiniesred
01-18-2011, 09:43 AM
On the last snow run I used and abused the crap out of a cheap Wouxun That I have had for about 8 months.
I dropped it in the snow, kicked it across the parking lot, and used it with my call sign all day.

It was great having a hand held because I was often out of the truck helping out with a strap or a winch set whenever Scott or Chris asked me what was happening at the back of the pack.

5 Watts was enough to cover all of the snow runners when I was out of the cab. In the truck, if the radio was laying sideways on the seat (poor antenna orientation and the metal cab around it didn't help), It was not good enough to count on for trail coms.

On a do-over, I would choose a smaller, slimmer, simpler HT that would be lighter and fit in a shirt pocket better. 1700mah of battery was enough to get me through 1 day of use.

I know I didn't include a recommendation, Martin, but I thought I could provide a little first hand info about the KG-UVD1P radio in real world operation.

MDH33
01-18-2011, 11:42 AM
Thanks for the input, Stephen. I'm thinking an HT along with a mag mount on the rig should work great. Then when out of the rig, I can use the HT as well. I had an FT8800r in my 40, but it was more radio than I needed. an HT will work fine for my wheeling needs I think.

wesintl
01-18-2011, 11:50 AM
the only thing that sucks about that is sound and range. It's fine if your at the trail with rigs but if your meeting them or catching up to them 5w blows. Sound also sucks unless you have a remote speaker. I had my 8r in the 80 and had trouble hearing on that little speaker.

Get the 3r It's tiny for jumping out of the rig and get a 1802/1900/2800 for the rig. my .02

CardinalFJ60
01-18-2011, 12:09 PM
ebay item: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280616503112&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

xodeuce
01-18-2011, 12:26 PM
Used Yaesu VX-170. Waterproof, basic construction, easy to program, and a good loud speaker. Or a new FT-270R.

http://www.hamcity.com/store/pc/viewPrd.asp?idcategory=36&idproduct=1795

Edit: 270R is just the new version of the 170. That ebay link looks like a solid find. I have one of the 170's and really like it. It's pretty bulletproof.

jacdaw
01-18-2011, 01:20 PM
Martin, I use an FT60 and love it. Sturdy, simple, powerful (use AA pack!), reliable. I have 4 antennas for it depending on how far away I'm working from my team or repeaters. Oh, and I should say it's my main HT rig for my work with Boulder County ARES. I carry my FT90 in my go-bag in case I need more power and there's aux power available.

I have owned an FT50 and an FT530. The FT60 is my favorite so far. Also, the FT60 with my zero gain stubby duck antenna was what I used on the Hayman rock haul run.

Seldom Seen
01-19-2011, 10:15 AM
Used Yaesu VX-170. Waterproof, basic construction, easy to program, and a good loud speaker. Or a new FT-270R.

http://www.hamcity.com/store/pc/viewPrd.asp?idcategory=36&idproduct=1795

Edit: 270R is just the new version of the 170. That ebay link looks like a solid find. I have one of the 170's and really like it. It's pretty bulletproof.

I've been using a VX-170 in the truck and it works well. Loud clear audio, easy to read display. I adapted the SMA antenna connection to BNC, makes for an easier connection to the mobile antenna. I ditched the crappy stock antenna for a Larsen BNC duck for portable use.

I haven't had much use for it lately so I'd be willing to part with it. Shoot me a PM if interested.

jacdaw
01-19-2011, 07:24 PM
I've been using a VX-170 in the truck and it works well. Loud clear audio, easy to read display. I adapted the SMA antenna connection to BNC, makes for an easier connection to the mobile antenna. I ditched the crappy stock antenna for a Larsen BNC duck for portable use.

I haven't had much use for it lately so I'd be willing to part with it. Shoot me a PM if interested.Did the packaging have attenuation figures for that SMA-BNC adapter? I would never use one of those on an HT to run a duck. A mag mount, sure, in a pinch. I looked into them years ago when the SMA became the Yaesu standard (with my FT50, iirc) and the attenuation on the one HRO had was something close to 15db.

Seldom Seen
01-19-2011, 09:08 PM
The cheapest adapter will only have 1-2db insertion loss. 15 db? I doubt it. Even at 2db it's mach's nix if you bugger threads on the SMA rendering the radio useless. A well made adapter, with a wide base, will reduce the amount of torque to the SMA connector.

jacdaw
01-21-2011, 01:09 PM
P I would be surprised if a SMA-BNC adapter had even 2dB of loss. No way they have 15dB, that seems like a dropped decimal and was maybe 1.5dB. Just one man's opinion.I hate using this forum on my crackberry, sorry for missed decimal.

jacdaw
01-21-2011, 01:13 PM
Yeah, found what I was looking for.

http://www.minicircuits.com/pdfs/SM-BF50+.pdf

"Insertion Loss (dB) 0.05 (typ)"

That's from DC to 2GHz.That's about the same design as the one I looked at so many years ago, pretty narrow o.d. and not much support at the screw collar. Attenuation is way better than what HRO quoted me tho.

CO Hunter
01-21-2011, 07:38 PM
Dave,

Thanks for posting up that picture of the diamond adapter. I have been using the style shown in your first picture. The j-poles we made were attached with pre-installed bnc connectors to double shielded coax. I'll try and find the Diamond style.

nakman
01-31-2011, 08:35 AM
I have noticed a significant different in receiving capability, VX-3r to VX-7r. I have one of those longer Diamond antennas that greatly improves send/receive quality. I also have an antenna on my roof, a portable J-pole, point being I've tested this with a variety of antennas. Bottom line, the VX-3r does not receive as well as the VX-7r.

Can anyone explain this? I had been under the naive impression that their performance difference would be on the transmit end, since the 3 has so much less power. But I can screw the rubber duck to the 7, and the better Diamond to the 3, and the 7 hears the Colorado Connection repeater tone while the 3 just sits there. When I connect either my J-pole or homebrew roof antenna to the HT's, I consistently receive signal reports that the 7 is better... ok that makes sense but when they transmit back I hear the same thing. The Vx-3R does not receive as well as the VX-7r.

I still think the little 3 is a great portable trail/camp radio, and it has met every need I've come across in those situations. I'll continue to recommend it for a "second radio," once you've got a solid 2m mobile big in your truck. But I'm a little disappointed in its receive capability, compared to the VX-7r.

nakman
01-31-2011, 09:10 AM
Yeah that makes sense Dave, and out in Moab or in my pocket out on the trail it's the perfect little radio. But in my basement, when I can keep all other variables constant, the difference is significant.. not the best 2m base station platform. :)

MDH33
01-31-2011, 09:46 AM
Wouldn't receive performance be somewhat related to (battery) power as well? The vx3r would have less power to work with since the battery is so much smaller as well right? I know that my bendix radio I use for Forest service work is definitely worse at receiving and transmitting a signal when the battery isn't fresh.

nakman
02-02-2011, 01:26 PM
Thanks, Dave, I'll read through this tonight or tomorrow night when I have more time..

so when you're up at 04:30 surfing around Ham Radio archives, are you up early, or still up? :)

CardinalFJ60
03-17-2012, 10:49 AM
Just saw this http://www.hamradio.com/detail.cfm?pid=H0-010075 not a bad price for that radio. I have an FT-250, a VX6R and one of d'em Wuoxun dual banders. I'd have to say, the ft-250 is probably my favorite of all of them due to the simplicity and upward facing screen.