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subzali
02-24-2011, 04:23 PM
http://forum.ih8mud.com/co-wy-horsetooth-4-wheelers-cruiser-club/461173-bad-news-regarding-our-favorite-adopted-trail.html

FJ40zen
02-24-2011, 09:15 PM
Thanks for posting the link Matt. :thumb:

There is still much more info we need to acquire about this issue. I missed the Forestry Service meeting on Tuesday due to a work conflict, but other members attended. The conflict seems to be with the state rather than the FS on the access. In the worst case scenario, we will permanently lose the trail, which is totally not acceptable. One option is that we may need to find another route that bypasses this particular road and that bypass will actually be on FS land rather than state owned land. The FS seems to be open to that proposal, but only time will tell. We are getting the newest maps of the area tomorrow and will request some coordinates that we can use to step across, flag and let the FS decide upon our proposed route.

-Bob

Hulk
02-25-2011, 01:14 PM
Bob, let us know how we can help. We have a big group of guys that we can mobilize when and where needed. We also have a history of putting our money into the game when needed.

FJ40zen
02-25-2011, 08:03 PM
Thanks Matt,

I am going to meet with the Prez of the club tomorrow and look at the newest map he now has in hand. I will get more details so everyone knows what is going on. I will get back here with the names, email addresses and phone number of all involved.

Also posted up on Colorado4x4.org for extra exposure.
"Bad News regarding our favorite Adopted Trail (http://www.colorado4x4.org/vbb/showthread.php?t=179391)" is the thread.

Glad to hear of all the support.

Thanks! :D

Jacket
02-26-2011, 08:55 AM
As I recall, the exit out of Crystal Mountain has also been a point of contention with the private land owners along that road, the gate falsely marked as private, etc. Likely that will work against us if those folks can organize and help push the case for closure.

FJ40zen
02-27-2011, 05:05 PM
Here is some contact info regarding what is going on. I will be calling tomorrow when I can to see if I can get through.

David Rodenberg
Front Range District Manager
Office (303) 861-3702
Cell (303) 501-0677
Fax (303) 861-1033
E-mail david.rodenberg@state.co.us (david.rodenberg@state.co.us)

Jacket
04-04-2011, 05:59 PM
Any news on the fire in this area? I sure hope it wasn't started by folks recreating on or near the trail....

FJ40zen
04-07-2011, 10:12 AM
Hey everyone,

I am pretty busy with other personal things, so I have not been as involved as I was initially. Gov't lays off contractors first when in a pinch. :mad:

The fire missed Moody Hill, so that trail is still good. The starting point of the Crystal fire was quite a ways east of the Crystal Mountain trail. They initially closed access to Crystal mountain road Sat/Sun (The road that takes you back out to Buckhorn 44H) because it was the only way in and out for the people that live on the western portion of where the fire was. Buckhorn road, that comes up from Masonville, was closed to local traffic for most of the week at Masonville and at Rist Canyon to the north. Check out the link for more info.

https://inciweb.nwcg.gov/ftp/InciWeb/COARF/2011-04-03-08:34-crystal-fire/picts/pict-20110406-181022-0.jpeg

Crystal Mountain trail is still in a snafu state. We are trying to contact the lesees, but do not expect any decent response. 1/2 of them are probably ok with allowing public access through the area and the other 1/2 are definitely not. The lease states No public access AFAIK. The FS is not happy at all about it because they will need to unlock a new gate to get to their land and in order for the lesees to get back there, they will need to cross FS land, so we actually have three parties butting heads, with the FS basically on our side. I think the best thing to do may be to head up the chain of command of the Colorado Land Board. We are checking out some of the documents on BRC and would welcome any other tips from RS, since you folks have probably dealt with this extensively. I am definitely not experienced with this stuff.

-Bob

nuclearlemon
04-16-2011, 12:55 PM
Mud thread is updated

FJ40zen
04-19-2011, 09:04 AM
Thanks Ige...and Colorado4x4.org (http://www.colorado4x4.org/vbb/showthread.php?t=181849) was updated. Our mud site is lucky to get 5 readers a month...


I was not able to make it to the meeting Saturday.

Fire update. (http://www.coloradoan.com/article/20110419/NEWS01/104190334/Crystal-Fire-blamed-man-burning-debris-home-owned-by-NFL-players?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|FRONTPAGE) Another Darwin award...

Jacket
04-19-2011, 09:46 AM
Yet another fire started by a slash-burning operation.:( Not that I'm for more gov't control, but at some point the lawmen are going to connect the dots between private spring burning activities, high winds, and forest fires....

Uncle Ben
04-19-2011, 10:56 AM
Yet another fire started by a slash-burning operation.:( Not that I'm for more gov't control, but at some point the lawmen are going to connect the dots between private spring burning activities, high winds, and forest fires....

The trouble is beetle kill. Slash piles are usually always cut down infected trees. Fire is natures way of cleaning the forest but catch is there is hardly any area anymore that does not have homes in it. A home owner takes care of his property and cleans his beetle killed trees out which leaves him slash piles. The problem is going to manifest +10 fold in out future. Work on that solution and you'll cut down on slash pile burning created fires.

Jacket
04-19-2011, 11:11 AM
I don't disagree at all, but at minimum postponing the burn until a day when don't have 30-50 mph winds would be preferred.

Uncle Ben
04-19-2011, 11:24 AM
I don't disagree at all, but at minimum postponing the burn until a day when don't have 30-50 mph winds would be preferred.


I couldn't agree more! Then before you light the match water everything around the pile! And just for fun stay on hand with the live garden hose while the pile is burning! Hmmmmm I guess this kind of thinking is what keeps me from being a celebrity.....

FJ40zen
04-24-2011, 12:29 PM
Update on the trail:


-Check the "Coloradoan" this week for an article about the trail.

nuclearlemon
04-24-2011, 05:15 PM
is this something that's not yet in print? the only thing i see is that howie tried to say he didn't start the fire, but evidence proved otherwise.

FJ40zen
04-28-2011, 10:54 AM
The article was weak to say the least. So much that I missed it! Here is a link from yesterdays news...

http://www.coloradoan.com/article/20110427/NEWS01/104270340/-1/7daysarchives/Public-tries-come-terms-change-state-roadless-rules

Sounds like we have a little problem. The money that was going to be used for the Wilderness Designation was is not going to be available, but the media circus is hyping the Roadless Rule even further to get public consensus. We are not wanting to build more roads, we just want to keep what we have...and they keep grabbing...:rant:All Mountain bikers also need to be aware of these grabs.

This stuff makes me want to puke.:bawl:

Uncle Ben
04-28-2011, 02:42 PM
The article was weak to say the least. So much that I missed it! Here is a link from yesterdays news...

http://www.coloradoan.com/article/20110427/NEWS01/104270340/-1/7daysarchives/Public-tries-come-terms-change-state-roadless-rules

Sounds like we have a little problem. The money that was going to be used for the Wilderness Designation was is not going to be available, but the media circus is hyping the Roadless Rule even further to get public consensus. We are not wanting to build more roads, we just want to keep what we have...and they keep grabbing...:rant:All Mountain bikers also need to be aware of these grabs.

This stuff makes me want to puke.:bawl:


Reading that article between the lines sure paints a picture of Bobby's loyalties in the issue!

Getting mad is what we need to do! Apathy is most off-highway enthusiasts biggest enemy! Thanks for keeping us informed!

FJ40zen
04-28-2011, 03:47 PM
No doubt about that UB...

This is really not the article that was to be about the trail... I musta jumped the gun, huh?

I received a call from the Coloradoan (Bobby) and was interviewed just a few minutes ago on the issue. I will post up what may be published.

FJ40zen
04-30-2011, 11:05 AM
Here is the article from today's Coloradoan.

http://www.coloradoan.com/article/20110430/NEWS01/104300358/Crystal-Mountain-trail-may-soon-off-limits?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|FRONTPAGE

FJ40zen
07-07-2011, 05:05 PM
I musta been sleeping. As of last week, we received news from the FS that Crystal Mountain trail is OPEN until further notice. As long as there are no "No Tresspassing" signs and a gate, we are free to use the trail again. Negotiations continue concerning the lease.

The club is actually doing the cleanup this weekend, with a campout in our usual place across sheep creek west of the playground area. We welcome any visitors that may be up our way! :beer:


-Bob

Jacket
07-08-2011, 04:14 PM
Great news Bob. Thanks for keeping us posted. I wouldn't mind taking a run at the quarry and then up Crystal Mtn, but alas it won't happen this weekend.....

FJ40zen
07-08-2011, 04:55 PM
Great news Bob. Thanks for keeping us posted. I wouldn't mind taking a run at the quarry and then up Crystal Mtn, but alas it won't happen this weekend.....

I may be running it in a couple of weeks, depending if I get the bed and fenders done by next weekend. Bring some people up and let me know...