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Crash
05-12-2011, 02:46 PM
http://www.expeditionportal.com/resources/91-guide/351-top-10-used-overland-vehicles.html
Let the discussion begin.

Jacket
05-12-2011, 04:31 PM
Makes sense to me, given the criteria. The EP staff tends to lean toward modern comfort and reliability for long distance travel. The fact that Toyota is represented in 4 of the top 8 (I'm sorry, but the Mercedes station wagon and the Grand Vitara are jokes and don't belong on the list) is a credit to our love of these Japanese trucks.

I'm actually surprised he didn't put a Rover higher on the list (a bias I've seen him have too often), but it's probably because of the reliability issues.

waggoner5
05-12-2011, 04:52 PM
Actually the G wagon was designed an built by Steyr in Austria and was/is an incredible 4x4 vehicle. It is very much like an 80 series with solid axles, 3 lockers,etc. Although I agree that it isn't the best expedition vehicle with the 18's and body kit, in its pure form, it is as capable and durable as any 80. Steyr built the Haflinger, Pinzgauer and most of the Unimog, Mercedes just did the finish work and stuck their name on it.

Caribou Sandstorm
05-12-2011, 05:29 PM
#6? Whatever Scott.........

Hulk
05-12-2011, 05:55 PM
This is a pretty decent list, but it's obviously for U.S. buyers.

RedCreeper
05-13-2011, 11:58 AM
Hey a JEEP made the list.... See they are not so bad after all......

Jacket
05-13-2011, 12:07 PM
No XJ or ZJ though, which in my mind would be good platforms - certainly better than a Vitara.....

subzali
05-13-2011, 02:58 PM
No FJ Cruiser...guess there were already too many Toyotas...

nakman
05-13-2011, 03:39 PM
...- certainly better than a Vitara.....


Remember that ad with the horses running, where the horse says "That's a Suzuki?!" I still think of that when I see those things.. :D


but it's true, they do work as reported, I had its cousin the Tracker for a while :eek:

Nay
05-13-2011, 03:40 PM
I kind of thought this picture with the tire up in a situation that required a couple inches of articulation wasn't the best to prove the point.

Crash
05-13-2011, 05:33 PM
I kind of thought this picture with the tire up in a situation that required a couple inches of articulation wasn't the best to prove the point.

You and Schotts should have a confab! I agree, though, that is a fairly representative pic, imo, of the biggest difference between the 80 and 100, suspension-wise, anyhoo. The 80 kills the 100, in tough offroad situations, with its front suspension but the IFS of the 100 makes the truck feel absolutely nimble, in comparison, on 90% of the roads and trails on which they both will see action. And braking wise, there is simply no comparison. The 80's brakes, at their best, pale in comparison.

Nay
05-13-2011, 07:10 PM
The reality is that IFS is fine is most situations. I think you are of one of two basic camps: you either put up with some deficiencies in modern highway cruising to bet on getting in and out of anything you need to, or you figure that you should maximize the 99% of the usage you honestly experience and not worry about the exceptions.

The 80 is for the former crowd, the 100 for the latter. If I had my choice, it is a 100 with a SFA swap. But I have to say, if I am on an expedition on another continent, I am never going to be comfortable with an IFS setup. And half of enjoying such a trip is the peace of mind to be equipped to handle the unexpected.

Jacket
05-13-2011, 08:45 PM
Remember that ad with the horses running, where the horse says "That's a Suzuki?!" I still think of that when I see those things.. :D


but it's true, they do work as reported, I had its cousin the Tracker for a while :eek:

The Tracker was rockin' the rag top. :cool:

I got a kick out of these new little Suzuki's down in Costa Rica with a SFA.
http://www.crankmotoring.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/Suzuki_Jimny_04.jpg

The only nice thing I can say about the Vitara is that it's a world market platform - but too small for my tastes (and needs).

Uncle Ben
05-14-2011, 12:06 AM
I've actually been quite impressed with the Grand Vitara we got for my youngest. It gets well over 30 mpg and has decent zip. It's amazing in the snow and we have had some great belly laughs in the hills when dad took it places it shouldn't have probably went but did. It really has been a surprise and fun car!

Nay
05-14-2011, 01:25 AM
I've actually been quite impressed with the Grand Vitara we got for my youngest. It gets well over 30 mpg and has decent zip. It's amazing in the snow and we have had some great belly laughs in the hills when dad took it places it shouldn't have probably went but did. It really has been a surprise and fun car!

I had a friend get a Grand V i a g r a. He still couldn't get it up and sold it for a Jeep.

Jacket
05-14-2011, 08:47 AM
No offense to my RS brothers, but this thread is way better (unless you are a fan of Schotts). It gets good on page 2, and then turns ugly by page 4.

http://forum.ih8mud.com/chit-chat-section/482465-80-series-wins-4th-place-congrats.html

Crash
05-14-2011, 02:32 PM
[QUOTE=DaveInDenver;183134]IFS is totally for chumps.

What, no pictures of you conquering the Rubicon? Slacker. :hill:

Crash
05-14-2011, 03:33 PM
Since Dave is so modest, I will post a couple of pics of him and Imelda spanking the Rubicon Trail and camping in style.

pskhaat
05-14-2011, 03:34 PM
Why don't w'all make our own list? Order and iterate your choices and don't include Toyota. BTW, I love the Merc wagons...any year.

Bias or otherwise, it is just a list on the Internet.

wesintl
05-14-2011, 08:44 PM
Subaru outback #1

farnhamstj
05-14-2011, 09:06 PM
I pretty much agree with that list.

1loudLX
05-14-2011, 11:47 PM
But I have to say, if I am on an expedition on another continent, I am never going to be comfortable with an IFS setup. And half of enjoying such a trip is the peace of mind to be equipped to handle the unexpected.

I'd take mine around the world right now(after i add some more camping equipment). I dont mind the IFS.

Crash
05-15-2011, 09:43 AM
That's a great picture of the IFS giving some decent articulation, right before the fall, as I recall. Ouch!! Who was spotting again? :o

http://www.armbrusterweb.com/tripsfolder/longtripsfolder/rubithon08folder/files/page75_15.jpg[/QUOTE]