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sardi55
05-25-2011, 11:32 AM
I am contemplating selling my 1996 80 series because I need and somewhat want a truck. I am thinking of getting an early 2000-2002 first gen Tundra. I am just super lost and need input that will help me make a decision. Fyi the 80 is my dd and my wheeling truck is an 84 fj60.
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Thanks

subzali
05-25-2011, 12:02 PM
I DD a 2000 Tundra. It's not without its share (or more than its share) of issues. If I were to look for another 1st gen Tundra, I would look for at least a 2003 or 2004 - whenever they changed to the larger calipers. These trucks are hard to find in good condition, with low miles, for a reasonable price. You're also not going to save much on gas mileage; I get between 15 and 17 with the 4.7L V8. The 3.4L V6 may be a little bit better, but maybe not.

If you don't really need the V8 power or the extra cab size I would highly recommend getting a similar model year Tacoma, say from '96 to '04 with a 3.4L V6. Less issues (in my mind), more available options, better fuel economy, still a very utility-oriented vehicle, probably less expensive. The one reason I think that drove me to a Tundra over a Tacoma is that so I wouldn't be tempted to wheel it. But even that didn't work out so well; I got a few pinstripes last summer in NM. But they'll buff out :D The high gas prices are hurting though; even with my short commute I need to get more serious about velo-commuting or something.

nakman
05-25-2011, 12:24 PM
Why do you need a truck? A utility trailer has met all of my truck needs and then some, plus it's much easier on me emotionally to loan out..

sardi55
05-25-2011, 12:38 PM
I need a truck for throwing stuff in the back and towing a small 15ft travel trailer. The 80 tows the travel trailer ok; I guess I just want to be able to do more around the house. I never thought of just buying an old 4cyl pickup and using that dd duties and house chores. I am just afraid that if I decided to get rid of the 80 that I would regret it forever. Eventually I want to sell the 60 and start decorating the 80. I also thought the tundra would get better gas mileage but 15-17 yuck I guess I will stick with the 80 and get either a utility trailer or an old pickup.

simps80
05-25-2011, 01:12 PM
The 15' trailer part would not be a great match to a standard cab 22R truck. :-)

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1972 2WD Hilux, $1,500 (this is super cool, I'd buy this on principle)
http://denver.craigslist.org/ctd/2391734510.html

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oh that one is really cool :thumb: somebody get that one, get that one :clap:

sardi55
05-25-2011, 01:49 PM
The 15' trailer part would not be a great match to a standard cab 22R truck. :-)

1990 2WD Pickup, $1700
http://denver.craigslist.org/cto/2342315914.html

1987 2WD Pickup, $1,200
http://denver.craigslist.org/cto/2401222909.html

1994 2WD Pickup, $1,900
http://denver.craigslist.org/cto/2393342240.html

1978 2WD Hilux, $1,000
http://denver.craigslist.org/cto/2392850287.html

1972 2WD Hilux, $1,500 (this is super cool, I'd buy this on principle)
http://denver.craigslist.org/ctd/2391734510.html

1977 2WD Hilux long bed, $1,000
http://denver.craigslist.org/cto/2372355005.html

If I were to buy one of these I would definately keep the 80 to build and tow the trailer. I think a nice little gas sipping pickup is going to be just the ticket. I cant wheel a 2wheel drive right? LoL :cheers:

subzali
05-25-2011, 02:13 PM
...I cant wheel a 2wheel drive right? LoL :cheers:

I've done it. Wouldn't recommend it.
http://risingsun4x4club.org/forum2/showpost.php?p=106672&postcount=180

Beater
05-25-2011, 02:13 PM
I have a t100, and preferred them over the 1st gen tundra.

Zero issues and the 3.4 returns the same fuel as the v8. However, it is down on HP compared to the v8, but torque is reasonable. Will tow about 5k pounds very respectively.


Maybe the 22re is a gas sipper, but to my knowledge there isn't a gas sipping toyota truck. Seems to be a falicy. I know lots of taco guys who thought they'd get way better than they do.

subzali
05-25-2011, 02:57 PM
Best I ever got in my 22RE 2wd truck was 32 mpg. That was basically a tank of hypermiling. Usually I got around 28 mpg. A 4x4 I would expect to sit around 22-24 mpg. But I think the new 4.0L V6 can almost do that in the new Tacomas.

Jacket
05-25-2011, 05:09 PM
If you have the pickup itch, you'll need to scratch it at some point or it won't go away.

Beater
05-25-2011, 05:21 PM
then you never will be without one.. tooo handy
even if you have to pay insurance just to have it sit for 28 out of 30 days...

nakman
05-25-2011, 05:52 PM
If you have the pickup itch, you'll need to scratch it at some point or it won't go away.

Tru dat!



And best mileage I've ever seen from a 01-04 has been about 22.. and that's mostly highway, no big loads. More typical is mid teens... and if you mod them and/or load them up, low teens. I can base that on experience: I've owned two (02 extended cab and 01 DC), my brother owned one (02 DC), and my dad owns one (01 Extended) and I've put some saddle time in each of them, including multiple road trips.

sardi55
05-26-2011, 09:43 AM
Yeah, I think I have decided to sell my 60 to by a truck, whether that be a tundra,tacoma or older 4cyl pickup is yet to be seen. Then that will leave me with the 80 to start building and moding. All in favor say I. I would love to keep both cruisers and then get a truck but i think the wife would kill me.:D

subzali
05-26-2011, 09:57 AM
Why not keep the 60? It's already built and ready to go. The 80 with no magic button would make me hesitate to build it.

sardi55
05-26-2011, 10:29 AM
I love the 60 all except the carb,leaf spring set up. My wife wont even wheel with me in it anymore because she says it stinks and and its uncomfortable, which naturally means I love it. The 80 on the other hand is comfortable and it smells good.

Nay
05-26-2011, 10:47 AM
I love the 60 all except the carb,leaf spring set up. My wife wont even wheel with me in it anymore because she says it stinks and and its uncomfortable, which naturally means I love it. The 80 on the other hand is comfortable and it smells good.

If wheeling is about your family, you can't beat an 80/100 (depending on the wheeling you do).

80's are on the market again due to gas prices. Bad time to sell any of these pigs.

Corbet
05-26-2011, 12:42 PM
another vote for a utility trailer for house chores. I have an old M101a that I use for just that.

sardi55
05-26-2011, 02:50 PM
How does the m101a hold up when it comes to weight? If I want to get a yard of river rock put in the back is it going to handle the weight well?

thefatkid
05-26-2011, 03:56 PM
I just put 1.25 tons of river rock in my Toyota pickup bed trailer. It did the job. I'm sure the M101 would do better.

Corbet
05-26-2011, 08:52 PM
How does the m101a hold up when it comes to weight? If I want to get a yard of river rock put in the back is it going to handle the weight well?

Its rated at 1500lbs offroad and 2200lbs HWY payload. Its 1350lbs empty.

I've exceeded it many times with no issue. Just picked up a cubic yard of wet top soil last weekend. Probably could have put another yard in but it would have been on the bump stops if I did. Pictures of a load of firewood. That was towed offroad 10 miles at least. Those rounds of wood easy averaged 60lbs+ each. Again no issue. They are great trailers if you don't care about how heavy they are

sardi55
05-27-2011, 09:42 AM
wow that looks like it will work just fine. Even being towed by an 80!! The search begins M101a. Thanks

wesintl
05-27-2011, 09:53 AM
http://cosprings.craigslist.org/rvs/2401141365.html

nakman
05-27-2011, 10:24 AM
http://cosprings.craigslist.org/rvs/2401141365.html

well that was easy.
http://blog.kazaamweb.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/easy-button.jpg

Corbet
05-27-2011, 02:58 PM
Couple words of warning on purchasing a M101a or any other USA military surplus trailer.

1st: Make sure it has a clean title preferably a Colorado title before buying. The State of Colorado is very strict about this. At least they were when I got mine. A trailer with no title will be considered stolen. I applied for a lost title in UT, then brought my clean UT title & registration with me when I moved to Colorado.

2nd: Some trailers were coated with some sort of special chemical weapon absorbing paint? Maybe during the 70's? Don't remember the details just the fact you don't want to be sanding or blasting the paint off with out proper respiration protection. I can't find the online reference that explained it. (its been 10 years)

The trailer lighting came with 24v bulbs, just swap them to 12v units I used LEDs ;)

Let me know if you have any other questions.

Corbet
05-27-2011, 03:03 PM
long drive but this place used to have a field full of them. Also many M105 trailers. You DON'T want that.

http://www.smithandedwards.com/

sardi55
05-27-2011, 03:54 PM
Sweet, Thanks everyone for their great input, I am going to stick with the 60 as my wheeler and weekend fun truck and keep the 80 and get my self an m101a I might head out tommarow and look at the one in Kiowa. As for the paint I would probably just keep it with camo maybe its the little kid in me but I kinda like it.

nakman
05-27-2011, 04:56 PM
1st: Make sure it has a clean title preferably a Colorado title before buying. The State of Colorado is very strict about this. At least they were when I got mine. A trailer with no title will be considered stolen. I applied for a lost title in UT, then brought my clean UT title & registration with me when I moved to Colorado. .

In Colorado you can register any trailer as a home-made trailer. There's no inspection, just a document you fill out and sign.. 5 minutes and $30 later you've got plates and a title.

http://www.dmv.org/co-colorado/custom-built-cars.php#Homemade_Trailers

If your nose starts bleeding (Niles Crane ref.) then perform some mods to it first- paint it, new tires, new leaf springs.. whatever you need to be ok saying "yeah, I built that."

Corbet
05-27-2011, 07:43 PM
My statement was about military surplus trailers only. Registering it as home made could be a way around it but personally I would not attempt it.

I got pulled over on my way to CM11 this year while towing my M101a. I had forgotten to put my new registration sticker on it, but had it in the glove box. Anyway the Sheriff's Deputy took the time to inspect the VIN and everything else on the trailer. I have never had one take the time to do anything like that before. Can't say for sure it it had anything to do with what it was. I just would not want to have my trailer impounded for lack of documentation.