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Rzeppa
06-14-2006, 08:23 PM
I will be leading our seventh annual Father's Day trail ride Sunday June 18th. The trail is moderate to difficult. It used to do-able in a stocker with a good driver, but in recent years has become more difficult for a stocker, so 33s and a rear locker are recommended. With a small group, this is a half day trail. This run has become very popular and will probably take longer. As always, the amount of time will depend on our group size, trail traffic and (hopefully not) breakage or mechanical issues. Tools and spares are recommended. We will be in cell phone coverage most of the way, and within hiking distance of civilization.

We will meet at the McDonalds at the El Rancho (Evergreen Parkway) exit of I-70 at 8:00AM and depart at 8:30 AM. We used to start later, but an earlier start may help us avoid too much trail traffic. The trailhead is off the Downieville exit of I-70. We will start on CB channel 4, but if we get stepped on by too many others we will switch to channel 5.

The trail starts near Downieville, and ends up either at I-70 in Georgetown or on CO-103 near Chicago Creek, depending on the route out we choose to take. The trail gets progressively more difficult as we go up until we reach the rock garden. The "big obstacle" is the rock garden near the top. There is sort of a winding bypass, but it too is difficult, and has become more so in recent years. There are several interesting obstacles before that, including a steep shelf that might remind you of Moab, some whoop dee doos right after that, a hill where we had a rollover last year but has a bypass, another dirt hill with no bypass, a difficult rocky hill after a sharp left with no bypass, and then the rock garden. After the rock garden the trail is still difficult until we reach the meadow at the top. After the meadow, it is an easy Subaru-grade drive out on dirt forest roads to either I-70 or CO-103.

Traffic back to Denver has been an issue the last several years, with stop and go on I-70. Last year we discovered how to take the frontage roads all the way from Georgetown to Idaho Springs, where the traffic generally thins out. We will play it by ear (or eyes) and see what route we take home. If we drop down into Georgetown, you can see whether I-70 is clogged with traffic from the switchbacks high above.

There were links to reports from previous runs from the old forum, I'll see what I can do to provide some visuals of what to expect. Bring lunch, water (lots), your father, kids, your camera and permagrin. This is always a fun trail and good time.

Rzeppa
06-14-2006, 08:26 PM
Here's Farnham in his 40 at the Rock Garden:

Rzeppa
06-14-2006, 08:28 PM
Jim Toepper in his 40 at the Rock Garden (note: when you lead the trail you have few opportunites for photgraphing :)

Rzeppa
06-14-2006, 08:57 PM
Forgot to ask, does anybody think my truck will have issues running Spring Creek? I have a couple pictures in my tire thread (http://risingsun4x4club.org/forum2/showthread.php?t=1529), but the highlights are that I have a Lockright in the rear and I'm getting new tires on Thursday - I stayed with the 31 x 10.50 MT/R, I think I'll be happier with that size (just for now, until the truck grows). My rocker panels are trimmed about 3 1/2 inches higher than stock, and my rear wheel well is about 1 inch higher than stock. My tailpipe hangs below my skid plate, but that's getting fixed ;) next week so I'm not concerned if it gets banged up. Any thoughts?Matt, it really depends the most on the nut behind the wheel. A locker makes the most difference in being able to get up a given trail, after driver skill in my opinion, then tires, etc., etc. We'll be there to spot you.

Romer
06-14-2006, 11:27 PM
8AM on Fathers day. I thought it was going to be 9, don't know if I can get the princesses up that early. Have to see.

Rzeppa
06-15-2006, 12:41 AM
We used to do nine, which is more my personal preference. The two issues driving an earlier start are trail traffic and then highway traffic on the way back.

Rzeppa
06-15-2006, 12:44 AM
Who's this guy? Looks like he lost his hood!

Rzeppa
06-15-2006, 12:48 AM
Kim Brown plants a tire on a rock as her father spots

Rzeppa
06-15-2006, 12:53 AM
From the inaugural run in 2000

Red_Chili
06-15-2006, 10:17 AM
Wow, the trail has changed in 5 years... THAT will be an issue for us sooner or later...
Who's this guy? Looks like he lost his hood!
Holy hoods, Batman!
Only now, it's a holey hood....

The first time I ran that trail with the group, I met Oleg, and one thing led to another... and that led to the reason for the missing hood. Is Oleg gonna go this year? I wonder what that will lead to...

I wonder if Oleg has a blower laying about looking for a home..... :grinpimp: :drool:

Rzeppa
06-15-2006, 10:53 AM
Wow, the trail has changed in 5 years... THAT will be an issue for us sooner or later...

Holy hoods, Batman!
Only now, it's a holey hood....

The first time I ran that trail with the group, I met Oleg, and one thing led to another... and that led to the reason for the missing hood. Is Oleg gonna go this year? I wonder what that will lead to...

I wonder if Oleg has a blower laying about looking for a home..... :grinpimp: :drool:Hi Bill, not sure what you mean by issue for us. If you mean cleaning it up, I believe one of the MHJ patrols has it adopted. If you mean that it's gotten more and more difficult, then yes, it already is an issue.

Are you planning to go? In fact, I'd appreciate if everyone who is going or thinking of going, please sound off here so I have some idea what size group to expect. If it gets over about 15-20 rigs we may split into two groups.

For the record, I have gone to plan B for my own rig: drive it exactly the way it is (except for putting a working CB in it). Plan A was to put a rebuilt angine in it and 4 speed conversion, but parts haven't come in anywhere near when they were supposed to, and even if the straggler parts arrive Friday as they're supposed to, it would just be cutting it too close.

Red_Chili
06-15-2006, 02:19 PM
'Issue' meaning, somebody will squeak about erosion and we (the OHV community) will need to pony up and do some reroutes, erosion barriers, etc. or see the trail lost.

Yep, me gonna be there. I understand GreenMachine will be too.

FJBen
06-15-2006, 02:32 PM
Sorry guys, can't be there this year, it's my daughters B-day :Princess: so I'm sure we'll have plenty planned.... maybe next year?

Rzeppa
06-15-2006, 02:36 PM
'Issue' meaning, somebody will squeak about erosion and we (the OHV community) will need to pony up and do some reroutes, erosion barriers, etc. or see the trail lost.

Yep, me gonna be there. I understand GreenMachine will be too.Okay; maybe we need to get with MHJ and see about helping them out?

Head count so far: 3
Me
Bill Morgan
John Henley

Who else?

Beater
06-15-2006, 10:27 PM
i'm out. we were planning on camping and fishing at chicago creek, and there is no way I am going to get camp broke, the kid and the wife fed, and trail ready at the trail head in time.

We're going to take the pickemup truck, and maybe we'll drive to the top and hike down to watch the shananagins at the garden.

j

Hulk
06-16-2006, 12:30 AM
I love this trail, but we'll be camping near Leadville. So it's a no go, no show for me.

subzali
06-16-2006, 07:28 AM
Me and my dad are planning to be there in the 40!

gcmandrake
06-16-2006, 10:02 AM
It's a maybe for me. I'm a little nervous about my transfer case. It hasn't given me any troubles yet, but...

the Other Matt

Rzeppa
06-16-2006, 12:51 PM
maybe we'll drive to the top and hike down to watch the shananagins at the garden.LOL! I seem to remember when you first joined us on this run, you were in your Range Rover, but in our group, while the REAL shananagins were with the Solihul group ahead of us :-)

Red_Chili
06-16-2006, 01:58 PM
It's a maybe for me. I'm a little nervous about my transfer case. It hasn't given me any troubles yet, but...

the Other Matt
YOIKS! Sumbunny bring straps... I don't think the classic Morgan baling-wire-and-rebar-fix is ISO certified for tcases. Bring a trail cleanup kit for auto tranny fluid...:eek:

wesintl
06-16-2006, 03:37 PM
Jeff,
I revieved a mail to the webmaster from 11thcavdrt (http://www.risingsun4x4club.org/forum2/member.php?u=222)

my veh. is a 96 tacoma
extended cab, has 4" pro comp lift, 32 x 11.50 x15 pro comp mud terrain
tires, arb locker in the rear,rock sliders, skid plates on t/case,motor,and
fuel tank.

Hopefully he (or she) is still planning on attending.

Rzeppa
06-16-2006, 04:23 PM
Jeff,
I revieved a mail to the webmaster from 11thcavdrt (http://www.risingsun4x4club.org/forum2/member.php?u=222)

my veh. is a 96 tacoma
extended cab, has 4" pro comp lift, 32 x 11.50 x15 pro comp mud terrain
tires, arb locker in the rear,rock sliders, skid plates on t/case,motor,and
fuel tank.

Hopefully he (or she) is still planning on attending.Thanks Wes! How about you? We could use a little diesel aroma! Heh...when I used to wheel my HZJ75, I always got stuck tail-gunning. Some folks just don't have the good sense to know that that fine smell is good for you!

So far,

Me
Bill Morgan
Matt Lewis
Matt Miller
11thcavdrt

5 rigs should make for a quick day ;-)

If history is a guide, about 2-4 times as many show up for this run as "raise their hands".

wesintl
06-16-2006, 04:48 PM
I'm a distant maybe. I built up some sliders with Jim the last few weeks just for spring creek. I didn't go last year for this very reason.

Anyway the inlaws are in town and I invited my father in law out for some wheelin. I guess he's not really into that sort of thing and I don't want a pregnant wife upset with me because I spent a family day doin my own thing.
We'll see but don't wait for me. I'll find my way if i'm late.

farnhamstj
06-16-2006, 11:28 PM
Farnham and family of 4 will be there in the 100. Brent is also driving down from Vail. We're Planning on meeting everyone in Downeyville. What time do you expect to be there?

Rzeppa
06-17-2006, 09:31 AM
Farnham and family of 4 will be there in the 100. Brent is also driving down from Vail. We're Planning on meeting everyone in Downeyville. What time do you expect to be there?Should be between 9:00 and 9:30 if we leave El Rancho by 8:30. Monitor the CB, and remember that if there are a lot of other groups using channel 4 we will switch to channel 5. As you know, the first part of the trail is well within radio range of the highway. Looking forward to seeing you there!

Romer
06-17-2006, 07:35 PM
Should be between 9:00 and 9:30 if we leave El Rancho by 8:30. Monitor the CB, and remember that if there are a lot of other groups using channel 4 we will switch to channel 5. As you know, the first part of the trail is well within radio range of the highway. Looking forward to seeing you there!

So does this mean we could be at the BK in Downeywill as late as 9 or 9:30? Thats 20 miles form El Ranch. I could leave the house in the tech center at 8 and get to Downeyville in about an hour.

Rzeppa
06-17-2006, 07:44 PM
So does this mean we could be at the BK in Downeywill as late as 9 or 9:30? Thats 20 miles form El Ranch. I could leave the house in the tech center at 8 and get to Downeyville in about an hour.The meeting spot is the McDonalds at El Rancho at 8:00 AM, depart at 8:30. We will drive through Downieville about a half hour after we leave El Rancho. Hopefully by 9:30 we will be aired down at the trailhead and having a driver's meeting.

Romer
06-17-2006, 07:58 PM
Well, I guess I'll decide in the morning. The likely scenario is we would catch up with you if we go. I would not be meeting at El Rancho at 8 with two teenagers, at least my teenagers. They both said, if they had to leave the house before 8, forget it!


I have not been to this trail head, could you post direction to the trailhead.

Thanks Jeff, maybe Sarah and I'll be there and maybe even Rachels in her runner.

Romer
06-17-2006, 08:15 PM
Is this it:

Access: Take I-70 west from Denver to Downieville which is 7 miles west of Idaho Springs, exit 234. Go west 1.1 miles on north access road (CR 308) which crosses under I-70. Turn left on Alvarado Rd, cross bridge, turn left immediately on trail up the hill.

http://www.4x4trails.net/media/map_springcreek2.jpg

Rzeppa
06-17-2006, 08:26 PM
They both said, if they had to leave the house before 8, forget it!Frankly, I'm not to keen on such an early start either. We used to meet an hour later. In the last couple years, Scott Yoder convinced me that an earlier start works better due to trail traffic and then highway traffic on the way back. After doing both, I reluctantly have to agree with him.

So far it still looks like we may have a relatively small group. Some years, when we've had 15-20 rigs it takes a LONG time to run the trail, and we don't get home until early evening instead of late afternoon.

Romer
06-17-2006, 09:47 PM
Ok, looks like we will be coming, but we won't be leaving the house til 8AM. So we will catch up to you. I think I can be around Downyville at 9AM. Could you please verify were the trailhead is in case I have to catch up with you there. I guess I will have to bring the Lexus to make sure I can catch up to you.

Rachel is bringing 2 or 3 friends, they will make sure she gets up on time.

bh4rnnr
06-17-2006, 10:18 PM
Dont know if i'll be there or not... If anything, will meet you all at the top....... My friend Jason from work might go. Just put 35's on and wants to test them out...

Rzeppa
06-18-2006, 12:24 AM
Could you please verify were the trailhead is in case I have to catch up with you there.After you go through Downieville (an even smaller town than Kittredge) you parallel I-70 for a short distance, then plunge under it to the left (south), then go along for a short distance and go across the creek to the left and head up the hill eastward until the first switchback.

Rzeppa
06-18-2006, 08:11 AM
So far,

Me
Bill Morgan
Matt Lewis
Matt Miller
11thcavdrt
Ken Romer
Rachel Romer
Farnham St. John
Brent Gehrman

9?

treerootCO
06-18-2006, 04:32 PM
I was planning on going but...apparently my mom is moving this weekend, not next weekend.