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thenimirra
08-31-2011, 11:24 AM
This could be God's way of saying, "Don't trade it!" But I can't find the title/registration for my 1963 FJ40. It was given to me as a gift from an ex-boyfriend....

would Denver have these kind of records available?

corsair23
08-31-2011, 11:31 AM
Did you ever transfer the 40 into your name? If so, for some modest amount of $$ you can go down to the DMV and get a duplicate title - been there, done that :)

If you never trasferred the 40 into your name then you'll need the ex-boyfried to go get the duplicate and sign it over to the dealership I think...

thenimirra
08-31-2011, 11:34 AM
damn never did want to talk to him again. He ended up giving me the FJ because he felt guilty: apparently he had been having a 20 year affair with a married woman and when she dumped him, he'd go out and date someone else, then dump them when she came acalling again!

I was the inbetweener!!! Bastard. But that FJ is sure cool.

Hulk
08-31-2011, 11:53 AM
That's a heckuva guilt gift. Much better than a greeting card.

thenimirra
08-31-2011, 12:02 PM
That's a heckuva guilt gift. Much better than a greeting card.

true dat. He knew I loved him....and I do believe he was sorry. But he was still a bastard.

treerootCO
08-31-2011, 12:57 PM
Ritter added a $100 'fee' if you failed to transfer the title in a timely manner.

nuclearlemon
08-31-2011, 01:49 PM
WELCOME TO MY HELL!!!!!! I've been looking for my titles for over a month now. i've completely disassembled rooms in my quest.

corsair23
08-31-2011, 02:14 PM
WELCOME TO MY HELL!!!!!! I've been looking for my titles for over a month now. i've completely disassembled rooms in my quest.

Murphy's Law states that you will find said titles shortly after getting duplicates :hill:

In my case I literally found the original title day after getting the duplicate :rolleyes:

thenimirra
08-31-2011, 03:09 PM
If I can't find it I'm gonna have to come up with the money they were gonna trade me the FJ40 for!!! and it's not exactly a small sum.

rover67
08-31-2011, 03:53 PM
Yeah, I think there is a way to get a new title in your name without the last owner being involved, but it is not easy. takes registered letters to the original owner i think? posting in the news paper? that kind of stuff? then if you can prove it's been abandoned you can apply for a title.. That's how it worked in Tn. but Co may be different.

MDH33
08-31-2011, 04:17 PM
Yeah, I think there is a way to get a new title in your name without the last owner being involved, but it is not easy. takes registered letters to the original owner i think? posting in the news paper? that kind of stuff? then if you can prove it's been abandoned you can apply for a title.. That's how it worked in Tn. but Co may be different.

Yeah that sounds right. I think in CO you also have to post a bond for the value and have it inspected and the numbers run by the State PD or something like that. I have a motorcycle frame I was trying to title and it was going to be such a headache I just gave up.

thenimirra
09-01-2011, 10:14 AM
Talked to the ex and he never had the title transferred into his name either. He just paid the man cash and went on about his business. I found the last owner and spoke to his wife a few years ago when I first got the FJ, but he was sick and likely dying. I'd feel like a vulture calling her up again to see if she could transfer the title into my name. I don't really know what else to do...but this loss is Timm's gain! He will now be the new owner of my 1963 FJ40 cause the dealership won't take it as a trade! Yah! for Timm, for me and for the FJ to go to a good home with someone who will love and cherish it!

timmbuck2
09-01-2011, 10:41 AM
Glad to help out...tracking down the title will be fun. :)

timmbuck2
09-01-2011, 02:49 PM
I am probably going to put her in storage until Spring....then slowly 'restofy', make it safer to tool around town in with some of my 4 kiddos. We should have the title figured out by then. :)

PabloCruise
09-01-2011, 03:30 PM
That's a heckuva guilt gift. Much better than a greeting card.

Yeah! I 've heard you just have to do flowers in that situation?

Corbet
09-02-2011, 07:58 AM
Timm, just apply for lost title. Not really that hard. VIN inspection, bond, and a form at the DMV. I had to do it in UT for my M101a. I helped many in Vail when I ran the dealership there.

timmbuck2
09-02-2011, 10:50 AM
Awesome, thanks Corbet! Excited to have some old iron again. I had to sell off my 40/55 herd during the divorce....the garage just looked empty without a 40!

thenimirra
09-07-2011, 09:49 AM
so Colorado law says to replace a lot title I have to have:

If your title has been lost, stolen or damaged, you can get a duplicate title by going to your nearest county office. Make sure to bring the following materials:

If your vehicle was purchased on or after July 1, 2006 you must provide appropriate identification.

VIN number and title number.

Payment of $8.20 for the duplicate title.

I found an old registration under the original owner's name that has the VIN and the Title No. Is that enough?

timmbuck2
09-07-2011, 09:59 AM
I would think that they would check to see if your ID matches what they have for the current title, and would only issue a lost title to the person who they have listed as the current owner...

thenimirra
09-07-2011, 10:15 AM
[QUOTE=timmbuck2;191241]I would think that they would check to see if your ID matches what they have for the current title, and would only issue a lo

I will call the DMV.

thenimirra
09-07-2011, 10:36 AM
so I called DMV and I gotta get a TITLE OR SALVAGE TITLE ESTABLISHED BY SURETY BOND.

http://www.colorado.gov/cs/Satellite?blobcol=urldata&blobheader=application%2Fpdf&blobkey=id&blobtable=MungoBlobs&blobwhere=1251600297241&ssbinary=true

wesintl
09-07-2011, 11:05 AM
Or track down the owner who has the title in their name and get them to sign the power of attorney to you to get the duplicate. I think that's what I did with the 66 i had

It's all a pita but I would try not to get a salvaged title and taint that baby

timmbuck2
09-07-2011, 12:14 PM
yeah I would not want a salvaged title for this...

thenimirra
09-07-2011, 04:34 PM
yeah I would not want a salvaged title for this...

but this is what the DMV said needed to be done. I'm confused, frustrated and running out of options here. Why is the salvage title an issue? The goal is to get a title for it right? and how much does a power of attorney cost?

I found the original owner's address so I guess I will go stop by

I found this: http://www.gunnisoncounty.org/clerk_pdf/2175.pdf Is this what the original owner has to sign?

Uncle Ben
09-07-2011, 05:16 PM
but this is what the DMV said needed to be done. I'm confused, frustrated and running out of options here. Why is the salvage title an issue? The goal is to get a title for it right? and how much does a power of attorney cost?

I found the original owner's address so I guess I will go stop by

I found this: http://www.gunnisoncounty.org/clerk_pdf/2175.pdf Is this what the original owner has to sign?

Salvage title will cut the value below half!

timmbuck2
09-07-2011, 05:20 PM
Salvage title will cut the value below half!

exactly...who did your BF buy it from? Might need to see whose name is on the registration at the DMV

corsair23
09-07-2011, 06:24 PM
IMO the 100% right way would be to find the original owner, have them sign over the title to your ex, fill out and sign a bill of sale, etc. Then your ex would register the vehicle in his name, get a new title, and then sign that over to you with a bill of sale etc. and then when you got the new title in your name you would repeat the process with Timm :hill:

The quick way would be to find the original owner and have him sign over the title along with a bill of sale as if Timm were buying it from him directly...That would save a lot of steps and you can consider your ex and yourself as just people that stored the vehicle for the original owner all these years :D

thenimirra
09-07-2011, 08:14 PM
I found where the original owner lives so I was just gonna go visit him. Timm wanna go with me? It might be easier that way.

timmbuck2
09-08-2011, 10:47 AM
IMO the 100% right way would be to find the original owner, have them sign over the title to your ex, fill out and sign a bill of sale, etc. ...


But would this work if there were other owner's who had a title between the original owner and now? I understood that there were other owners after the original, who had a title. The way I understand it, we need to have the last known owner who had a title sign it over. Right?? :confused:

I found where the original owner lives so I was just gonna go visit him. Timm wanna go with me? It might be easier that way.

Would love to go, but want to make sure we got to the right person!

thenimirra
09-08-2011, 10:52 AM
But would this work if there were other owner's who had a title between the original owner and now? I understood that there were other owners after the original, who had a title. The way I understand it, we need to have the last known owner who had a title sign it over. Right?? :confused:



Would love to go, but want to make sure we got to the right person!

we got the right one! My ex bf told me his name and the old registrations I found in the glove compartment confirm that. Ex says he never registered it and didn't intend to register it until it was restored (no point in paying
reg. fees and taxes every year on an inoperable project). He was given
his paperwork including bill of sale. He says he gave the bill of sale to me, but if he did, I can't find it. I have everything else associated with the rig, but not that.

Ige was right...this is hell! But I'm not giving up! :)

corsair23
09-08-2011, 12:40 PM
But would this work if there were other owner's who had a title between the original owner and now? I understood that there were other owners after the original, who had a title. The way I understand it, we need to have the last known owner who had a title sign it over. Right?? :confused:

Correct...I didn't mean to confuse the issue. I thought I remembered from back when that the original owner was the only owner until the 40 started getting "handed down". I should have stated you need to find the last owner whose name is on the title :) - as far as the state is concerned, that person still owns the 40 and hasn't registered it for years...It will be interesting to see if you get hit with the Ritter fee after it is all said and done...

timmbuck2
09-08-2011, 01:36 PM
Correct...I didn't mean to confuse the issue. I thought I remembered from back when that the original owner was the only owner until the 40 started getting "handed down". I should have stated you need to find the last owner whose name is on the title :) - as far as the state is concerned, that person still owns the 40 and hasn't registered it for years...It will be interesting to see if you get hit with the Ritter fee after it is all said and done...

The way I uderstand it, the fee is only for the old owner..."my" date starts with the date on the Bill of Sale.....but I guess it depends on how they transfer the title...

wesintl
09-08-2011, 02:07 PM
just bypass all that nonsense. Tim go with her. Get him her to sign power of attorney to get a title and take care of the rest. Just like Timm was buying it from him. Get a bill of sale too. I believe you can get everything you need with this but you might take a trip to the dmv and verify

http://www.colorado.gov/cs/Satellite?blobcol=urldata&blobheader=application%2Fpdf&blobkey=id&blobtable=MungoBlobs&blobwhere=1191399229149&ssbinary=true

thenimirra
09-09-2011, 12:01 PM
either the POA or just saying the title was lost:

http://www.dmv.org/co-colorado/replacing-a-lost-title.php

If your title has been lost, stolen or damaged, you can get a duplicate title by going to your nearest county office. Make sure to bring the following materials:

If your vehicle was purchased on or after July 1, 2006 you must provide appropriate identification.

VIN number and title number.

Payment of $8.20 for the duplicate title.

wesintl
09-09-2011, 12:24 PM
:confused: you can't get a duplicate title if it's not in your name. you need the power of attorney or the person whom's name is on the title.

Corbet
09-09-2011, 12:51 PM
so I called DMV and I gotta get a TITLE OR SALVAGE TITLE ESTABLISHED BY SURETY BOND.

http://www.colorado.gov/cs/Satellite?blobcol=urldata&blobheader=application%2Fpdf&blobkey=id&blobtable=MungoBlobs&blobwhere=1251600297241&ssbinary=true

I don't see how this means you will be issued a Salvage Title unless of course it is in deed a salvage vehicle. It says "title OR salvage title" meaning either can be issued depending on the research findings.

If anyone wants to PM me specific questions go ahead. As a previous auto dealer employee I know more than the average Joe but don't really want to openly post some of my opinions on this subject.

Corbet
09-09-2011, 12:56 PM
:confused: you can't get a duplicate title if it's not in your name. you need the power of attorney of the person whom's name is on the title.

This is correct. If you could get a POA on the PO you could then have a dup title printed (only if one has not already be issued. The DMV will only issue one dup per title). Then with the dup title and POA you can essentially sell it to yourself and sign the PO name as POA. Make sense?

Title work sucks, it was one of my least favorite jobs.

thenimirra
09-09-2011, 03:08 PM
I don't really care what process we need, as long as it's the one that will get the FJ40 with Timm and I think that's going to mean going to the last registered owner and having him sign over the vehicle to the new owner, which will be Timm. That's how I've come to understand this, but this is all new to me.

timmbuck2
09-09-2011, 04:34 PM
Agreed....we should chat this weekend to make sure we are on the same page, then I will call Corbet and make sure we are on the right path....and make sure I buy him a few :beer: