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farnhamstj
09-18-2011, 05:23 PM
Well, all 12 of the appeals were denied by the Forest Service. The new travel management plan will go into effect in May. I'd like to get in a couple more runs in the area before winter sets in and the trails will be closed for good. Lime Creek, Wearymans, Benchmark are the ones I'm aware of. I'm sure there are more. Also means anyone with an ATV or unplated motorcycle has nowhere to ride.

60wag
09-19-2011, 12:48 PM
That sucks. I'm still hoping to make it up there before the trails are shut down for snow.

rover67
09-19-2011, 01:01 PM
yeah that really sucks.

I'd like to get over there too.

Hulk
09-19-2011, 03:21 PM
Yeah, me too. :(

wesintl
09-19-2011, 03:25 PM
Why wasn't Lime Creek and Wearymans creek on the mvum if they are existing routes?

Jacket
09-19-2011, 03:43 PM
Hmmm - closing Wearymans surprises me more than the others. It's a pretty well established route, nicely marked and easy to navigate.

Is the FS providing a reason for the closures?

JadeRunner
09-20-2011, 08:44 AM
Just trying to understand. So the roads on the new MVUM map around Camp Hale will be closed per the Post article that Farr posted? The existing map on the Stay the Trails site shows most of the roads legal on the new plan. http://staythetrail.org/mvum/2011-09-14/WR_EagleHolyCross_Back_2011-08.pdf

Are the 12 appeals you refer too, 12 roads that will be closed that were on the map?

So I assume there will be new MVUM map is coming out? I wonder how many other changes\road closures will be added. Looking at the White River MVUM map in the Flat Tops where I like to go. It looks like every single road that was marked on all the old maps will be legal. So at least that's that good.

farnhamstj
09-20-2011, 04:02 PM
That map appears to be accurate. FR745 (lime creek) is absent from the map. 747 (wearyman) is absent from the map. FR710(Mill creek rd) is absent from the map.

www.vaildaily.com/article/20110918/NEWS/110919846&parentprofile=search

JadeRunner
09-21-2011, 08:54 AM
Ok, thanks for the clarification. I'm not that familiar with that area.

wesintl
09-25-2011, 08:02 PM
I went and ran wearymans over ptarmigan to mcallister and over to lime creek and back over shrine pass today. It's a shame those are going to close. They are clearly marked clean and I didn't see nary trail abuse or off trail routes. Just to some campsites. We are really really getting screwed losing these.

Caribou Sandstorm
09-26-2011, 10:02 AM
Wes-Farnham,

How far are these trails from Vail? Melinda and I were invited for up there this coming weekend and I wondered if it would be a good day trip from up there?

farnhamstj
09-26-2011, 01:25 PM
Mill creek starts in town. Past 1st bank, up forest rd, turns to dirt. Veer left just before the gate at Chair 10. Rest are 30 minutes away. West on i70-HWy 24 S to Town of Redcliff. PM me maybe I'll join you.

Caribou Sandstorm
09-26-2011, 03:28 PM
Mill creek starts in town. Past 1st bank, up forest rd, turns to dirt. Veer left just before the gate at Chair 10. Rest are 30 minutes away. West on i70-HWy 24 S to Town of Redcliff. PM me maybe I'll join you.

Cool, will send you my cell.

Crash
09-29-2011, 10:54 AM
Pics taken yesterday, 9/28. The trucked-in rocks start at about 1/10th of mile up from the Shrine Pass Rd and Wearyman's intersection. We stopped at 2/10ths up the trail as the rocks were bouncing us all around and we couldn't get to Camp Hale via this route. Dump truck tracks were seen and it's obvious that the culvert replacement is a big project.

farnhamstj
09-29-2011, 11:58 AM
I saw that sign last week also, but was able to get through without issue. Not sure about trucked in rocks. That's what the trail looks like when it's not underwater. photo is about 100 yard up, you can see the leaning tree.

nakman
09-29-2011, 12:54 PM
Amazing how different it looks without any water. That big rock to the left was the one that gave the whole line a little trouble a month ago.. actually one of the highlights of the run. Here's an arrow pointing to that rock Jon is looking at above.

farnhamstj
06-26-2013, 07:21 PM
Went for a little exploration today. Wearyman's is still open. However Lime Creek now has a Closed to motor vehicles sign ;(

Water in Wearyman's is running boards deep. and there is a few inches on the rest of it.

If someone wants a tour I'm happy to put something together. Mid week afternoons are best for me.

Shotshell
06-28-2013, 08:43 PM
OK, I've got to say this. This has been driving me nuts for years.
Now, before I continue, I will say that I understand the role the forest service plays in protecting the national forests. I'm not trying to be rude or start a bunch of crap here.
Aren't the national forests public land? Are they not there for the enjoyment of the public? We all work hard to keep them clean and protect them in order to preserve them for our future generations. But the forest service's indiscriminate closures of roads and access to these areas is exasperating. How will I be able to take my children, and some day my grandchildren to these places and let them explore and learn responsible use of the land? If these national forests are public lands, then why is the public increasingly barred from using them? It's ludicrous. :rant:
I'm just expressing how I feel about this sort of thing.
And how I feel is exasperated, irritated, and I feel as though we (the off road community) are being excluded and discriminated against.
There, that's all I have to say about it.:mad: