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SteveH
11-04-2011, 02:12 PM
A buddy of mine in Iowa has found an '83 FJ40 in Englewood, and would like a knowledgeable cruiserhead to look it over in person for him. The truck looks very sharp, but he'd feel better if someone were there in person. PM me if you can help out. I don't know the timeframe required to see it....

I've attached a teaser pix. Can't say I have seen a lot of '83s with a plow frame on them!

Thanks!

RockRunner
11-04-2011, 03:38 PM
I would look but not much of a cruiser guy. I am sure there will be a few people stepping up. I have seen a few 40'speople with plows, nearly bought one this fall but it had no title. This one looks nice.

corsair23
11-04-2011, 03:43 PM
That picture looks really familiar but I don't know why :confused:

IMO Zepp or Ricardo or Matt or Martin or Brian and some others would be who I'd want to go look at a 40 for me...I own one but I wouldn't trust myself to go look one over :hill:

subzali
11-04-2011, 04:00 PM
I may need a break from studying on Sunday, and Englewood isn't far away for me. That would make #3 '83 FJ40 that I know of in Denver, so I'm slowly working my way up to the reported 200-300 in existence in the U.S. :D

Very rare animal indeed, and looks to be in decent condition, shame it has a plow mount on it :(

Caribou Sandstorm
11-04-2011, 07:10 PM
If your buddy passes, I might be interested. I am in no hurry or actively looking.

gr8fulabe
11-04-2011, 08:15 PM
I'd also be interested in the details & contact info if your buddy passes!

Thanks,
abe

coax
11-04-2011, 10:20 PM
I am not all that up on the 40's but I work down in englewood so might be able to stop by. Do you have an area or cross street?

SteveH
11-05-2011, 02:19 PM
Seller appears to be: Stephen Bell (303) 759-1794

Classic Investments
3940 S Mariposa Street
Englewood, CO 80110-4424

Phone:
(303) 388-9788

The truck also has an ad in Hemmings Motor News

Rzeppa
11-05-2011, 09:20 PM
Seller appears to be: Stephen Bell (303) 759-1794

Classic Investments
3940 S Mariposa Street
Englewood, CO 80110-4424

Phone:
(303) 388-9788

The truck also has an ad in Hemmings Motor News

I put in calls and left messages on both numbers.

gr8fulabe
11-05-2011, 09:34 PM
I was actually in Denver today, picking up some tires from NattyBumpo, so I stopped over there to try & take a look, but that place is only open on Saturdarys, "by appointment only", so nobody was there. The truck must be inside, as I couldn't see any part of it.
If you are posting up the contact info, does this mean your buddy is passing, or is he still interested/considering it?

Also, I can't fing the ad in on Hemmings website. Is it still valid?
Best,
abe

DaveInDenver
11-06-2011, 01:27 AM
Right down the street from me and I could do pre-work or after-work stop (would be roughly 6AM or 6PM). Very unknowledgeable about Cruisers, though. I could be over there tomorrow (Sunday) afternoon.

SteveH
11-06-2011, 07:28 AM
My friend is passing on the truck - so it's fair game. I would call first - not sure if the truck is located at that site or not. The seller mostly restores British cars, from what I understand.

I think the guy is asking ~24K. I may be able to get/post more photos in the next day or so.

subzali
11-06-2011, 08:48 AM
For anyone going to look at it, here's some things you need to know about '83 FJ40s:
-It's the last year FJ40s were imported to the U.S.
-There supposedly were only about 300 that were imported, so it's anyone's guess as to how many are still left out there.
-They share a lot of mechanicals with FJ60s - 3.73 gears, same 50-state emissions components, cat converter, power steering (optional), A/C (optional), 4 speeds only in the U.S., split t-case, large cab distributor with fully electronic ignition, fuel tank under the tub, Aisin hubs, 60 series-style wagon wheels, but factory painted white, and with center caps.
-Thin sheet metal, so the bodies are often rusted pretty bad, especially the rear will and rear quarters like a lot of 40s.
-Side defroster vents and the '83 model year only removable center dash section, which is very rare.
-AM/FM radio as opposed to AM only radio that earlier Cruisers had.
-Can bring anywhere from $20K-$40K restored, because of how rare they are.

So basically if you want something to mod and wheel, maybe not the best choice. I would check the build dates on the carb and head to make sure they match the build date of the truck, and check the engine number to make sure it aligns with FJ60 engines of the same model year.

PhatFJ
11-06-2011, 11:35 AM
Great info. Matt!! :thumb:

For anyone going to look at it, here's some things you need to know about '83 FJ40s:
-It's the last year FJ40s were imported to the U.S.
-There supposedly were only about 300 that were imported, so it's anyone's guess as to how many are still left out there.
-They share a lot of mechanicals with FJ60s - 3.73 gears, same 50-state emissions components, cat converter, power steering (optional), A/C (optional), 4 speeds only in the U.S., split t-case, large cab distributor with fully electronic ignition, fuel tank under the tub, Aisin hubs, 60 series-style wagon wheels, but factory painted white, and with center caps.
-Thin sheet metal, so the bodies are often rusted pretty bad, especially the rear will and rear quarters like a lot of 40s.
-Side defroster vents and the '83 model year only removable center dash section, which is very rare.
-AM/FM radio as opposed to AM only radio that earlier Cruisers had.
-Can bring anywhere from $20-$40 restored, because of how rare they are.

So basically if you want something to mod and wheel, maybe not the best choice. I would check the build dates on the carb and head to make sure they match the build date of the truck, and check the engine number to make sure it aligns with FJ60 engines of the same model year.

SteveH
11-06-2011, 02:31 PM
Some better photos of the truck

gr8fulabe
11-06-2011, 06:38 PM
Some better photos of the truck

I'm not actually seeing anything. Is it my computer, or were they not uploaded yet?
Thansk,
Abe

SteveH
11-07-2011, 10:14 AM
I had an upload meltdown - will try to get them up tonight.

nattybumppo
11-07-2011, 12:19 PM
Isn't that a whole lot of money for a truck that has been plowed with?

SteveH
11-07-2011, 12:23 PM
Pix added on Post #15.

subzali
11-07-2011, 12:43 PM
Isn't that a whole lot of money for a truck that has been plowed with?

Yes, but it's an '83 so it's worth it :rolleyes:

I spy aftermarket wheels.

That's two marks against it.

gr8fulabe
11-07-2011, 01:09 PM
Chrome bumperettes stock in '83, or added on by PO? They would have to go, if they weren't original from the factory...

I asked for more info, so well see what they supply. Any guess as to whether or not it's original versus resto?

PhatFJ
11-07-2011, 01:14 PM
I think the chrome bumper and bumperetts were stock, they may have been an option though..

Uncle Ben
11-07-2011, 01:20 PM
I think the chrome bumper and bumperetts were stock, they may have been an option though..

Probably a dealer promotion

PhatFJ
11-07-2011, 01:25 PM
Check this one out, sold for 41.9K

http://www.vintageoffroad.com/viewvehicle.cfm?id=317

:eek:

subzali
11-07-2011, 01:27 PM
Probably a dealer promotion

except that the bezel isn't chrome.

But yes, there was an optional factory-chrome package for some later model FJ40s.

On this one it's hard to tell if it's factory or not. I'm guessing not.

PhatFJ
11-07-2011, 01:55 PM
Interesting, I just saw this -
http://www.ehow.com/info_8610285_history-toyota-fj40.html
they state that "FJ40 production ended in 1979, but sales continued through 1983." so as UB stated, the dealer's most likely added other options as incentives..

subzali
11-07-2011, 02:37 PM
Just cause it's on the interwebs doesn't mean it's true.

Oh, and VintageOffroad doesn't have a good reputation in the LC community and I wouldn't trust their overinflated prices farther than I could throw them.

Uncle Ben
11-07-2011, 02:39 PM
Just cause it's on the interwebs doesn't mean it's true.

Oh, and VintageOffroad doesn't have a good reputation and I wouldn't trust their overinflated prices farther than I could throw them.

Unless you can find a Wikipedia on it....that makes it sacrament! :lmao:;)

DaveInDenver
11-07-2011, 02:57 PM
Just cause it's on the interwebs doesn't mean it's true.
Did Toyota make new frames and bodies for the FJ40 through 1983? I would bet that they stopped making new FJ40-unique parts at some point between 1979 and 1983 while they converted to 70 series production. It would be mildly interesting to know when the FJ40 line really did shut down and FJ40s were assembled from a stockpile of parts.

Nowadays I'd imagine a line switch would be very quick and being all just in time the number of overlap vehicles would be small. Modern production lines are highly automated and very flexible. But in 1983 I bet a factory took much longer to reconfigure and maybe they really did tear the line apart in 1981 or 1982 to convert and build up stock for a 1984 introduction of the 70. I doubt they had parallel lines for very long in any case back when they were all built in Tahara (or was it Honsha). Unless 1984 is when they opened Yoshiwara, where they make 70 now AFAIK, so 40 and 70 were never made at the same place.

subzali
11-07-2011, 03:28 PM
I don't know exactly Dave, but Toyota changed the body style for the 1979 model year and I can't imagine they would have made enough during that year to cover the remaining years (some even have an '85 build date). That said, the importation numbers did go down a little bit during those last few years, but even still...

...and I don't know how extensively the dash changed to accommodate the removable dash section for '83-end. Maybe they could have used the same dash and cut different holes in it, but there were some other miscellaneous parts needed to make it all come together too.

black95
11-07-2011, 07:14 PM
That removable dash is awesome. They should have done that to all years, had to get in a bloody knuckle fight to get the stereo in the dash on mine :)

Caribou Sandstorm
11-07-2011, 08:24 PM
24k? I am in trouble for buying a pair of Hellas.. Guess I will never own an 83..

Hulk
11-08-2011, 01:52 AM
Regarding the 1979 theory: I doubt it. The tub was new in 1979, but there were other improvements/modifications made in later production years. Most of the changes that Matt listed occurred in 8/1980 for the 1981 model year. My old 1981 FJ40 was just like this. Another oddity is that the leaf springs are wider (like an FJ60), so there are very few lift kit options. Also, the brakes on the 1981+ years are FJ60 brakes -- they are amazing. My 40 had better stopping power than my 80 does. The biggest thing the 1983 model had was the dash, which was unique, and the rarity of the year.

Also, other countries got FJ40s for a few more years after 1983.

I wouldn't pay a premium for a 1983 FJ40. It's not like a '67 Corvette where it was the best of the breed. If you're looking for a DD, any FJ40 from 1976 and later will have disc brakes in the front. Of course, if you buy an FJ40 from the mid-60s, you get that super thick sheet metal which seems to be much more rust-proof than the later bodies, and then you can upgrade the axles, transfer case, etc.

Rzeppa
11-08-2011, 09:29 AM
except that the bezel isn't chrome.

But yes, there was an optional factory-chrome package for some later model FJ40s.

On this one it's hard to tell if it's factory or not. I'm guessing not.

That was the VX option. Was quite common in the JDM. But I've never seen one with chrome bumpettes and painted bezel - all the VX 40s I have seen also had the chrome bezel.

Rzeppa
11-08-2011, 09:31 AM
Interesting, I just saw this -
http://www.ehow.com/info_8610285_history-toyota-fj40.html
they state that "FJ40 production ended in 1979, but sales continued through 1983." so as UB stated, the dealer's most likely added other options as incentives..

That article is so riddled with inaccuracies it should be blacklisted!

Rzeppa
11-08-2011, 09:47 AM
Did Toyota make new frames and bodies for the FJ40 through 1983?

They continued to make new FJ40s through the end of 1984 and some in 1985. I personally know a fellow in New Zealand who has a 1985 model year FJ40.

I would bet that they stopped making new FJ40-unique parts at some point between 1979 and 1983 while they converted to 70 series production. It would be mildly interesting to know when the FJ40 line really did shut down and FJ40s were assembled from a stockpile of parts.

In 1984 the Araco factory was making 40 series, (including BJ42s, FJ40s, FJ45s, HJ47s), and 60 series (FJ60, BJ60). 1985 was when the BJ70 was introduced, and I think that was the year they started putting the 2H into the HJ60. It is unclear exactly when all 40 series production ceased, other than "sometime" in 1985. I believe the BJ45s and HJ47s (both pickup and troopie) may have continued all through 1985 until the 70 series pickups and troopies were introduced. Josh Boltrek and Rob Mullen would be more knowledgeable than I on the timing of the changeover. Marv Spector would have a pretty good idea too.

Nowadays I'd imagine a line switch would be very quick and being all just in time the number of overlap vehicles would be small. Modern production lines are highly automated and very flexible. But in 1983 I bet a factory took much longer to reconfigure and maybe they really did tear the line apart in 1981 or 1982 to convert and build up stock for a 1984 introduction of the 70. I doubt they had parallel lines for very long in any case back when they were all built in Tahara (or was it Honsha). Unless 1984 is when they opened Yoshiwara, where they make 70 now AFAIK, so 40 and 70 were never made at the same place.

40s, 60s and 70 series were all made at the Araco plant - that was final assembly. My 1997 HZJ75 was made in the Araco plant - that was stamped on the ID plate on the firewall. But they had numerous other plants where engines, axles and other major parts were made. I don't have it in front of me right now but a lot of this stuff is in the 40th anniversary book.

DaveInDenver
11-08-2011, 11:05 AM
40s, 60s and 70 series were all made at the Araco plant - that was final assembly. My 1997 HZJ75 was made in the Araco plant - that was stamped on the ID plate on the firewall. But they had numerous other plants where engines, axles and other major parts were made. I don't have it in front of me right now but a lot of this stuff is in the 40th anniversary book.
Well, there you go. I always thought Araco made bodies but the Japanese originating vehicles were manufactured at Honsha, Motomachi, Takaoka, Tsutsumi, and Tahara.

My previous assumption was maybe they are listed in the order they opened.

http://www.toyota.co.jp/en/ir/reports/annual_reports/02/pdf/prod_manuf.pdf

0 = Honsha
1 = Motomachi
2 = Takaoka
3 = Tsutsumi
4 = Kyushu
5 = Kariya (Aichi)
6 = Tahara
7 = Daihatsu (Osaka)
8 = Hino
9 = Kanto (Shizuoka)

Largely based on that my RN11 Hilux has a '6' and was made at Tahara and our 4Runner was made at Hino and had an '8' for plant code

But I'm not sure there really is any definite significance to the actual 11th digit other than 0 (zero) through 9 indicate the vehicle was definitely made in Japan. I've seen other Hilux owner's VIN have a '4' in the 11th location, but they would have been made likely at Tahara, too.

I've also thought this because Toyota said the FJ60 was built in Honsha.
ftp://ftp.nhtsa.dot.gov/mfrmail/01-22-N11B-2140.pdf

The Corolla uses '9' for Kanto.
ftp://ftp.nhtsa.dot.gov/mfrmail/ORG4621.pdf

Not to mention the RAV4 is made at Tahara and has a '5' for plant code.
ftp://ftp.nhtsa.dot.gov/mfrmail/ORG5047.pdf

The 2009 Cruisers have '4' (Yoshiwara) and '5' (Tahara).
ftp://ftp.nhtsa.dot.gov/mfrmail/ORG5046.pdf

This is also for 17-digit trucks, your old Cruisers of course have a completely different VIN structure.

subzali
11-08-2011, 12:02 PM
That was the VX option. Was quite common in the JDM. But I've never seen one with chrome bumpettes and painted bezel - all the VX 40s I have seen also had the chrome bezel.

I think it was LX for the 40 series...I think VX came with 60 or 80 series...

And I also think it's general consensus that '85 and maybe some '84 40 series were assembled from leftover parts - i.e. production stopped sometime before then.

Rzeppa
11-08-2011, 12:36 PM
This is also for 17-digit trucks, your old Cruisers of course have a completely different VIN structure.

My HZJ75 was a 1997.

:thumb:

DaveInDenver
11-08-2011, 12:43 PM
My HZJ75 was a 1997.

:thumb:
Yes I know, it was more a general statement since the original topic before hitting the tangential off ramp was a 1983 FJ40, which had the old VIN and I have no idea if the plant codes have any connection. :-)

subzali
11-08-2011, 12:54 PM
I think by '83 the new VIN had been established.

DaveInDenver
11-08-2011, 01:13 PM
Found a few more.

ftp://ftp.nhtsa.dot.gov/mfrmail/01-22-N11B-1473.pdf
FJ40C: Honsha

ftp://ftp.nhtsa.dot.gov/mfrmail/01-22-N11B-1895.pdf
FJ60G: Honsha
Truck 0-4: Hamura (Hino)
Truck 5-9: Tahara

ftp://ftp.nhtsa.dot.gov/mfrmail/01-22-N11B-7434.pdf
LX470/Land Cruiser: Honsya
4Runner Tahara or Hamura (Hino) depending on chassis

I understand I think, from Rob's TLC FAQ.
Body Styles
===========
All Land Cruiser bodies (Except the Bundera and the 45 Wagon) are made by
Araco (Formerly Arakawa), a division of Toyota. Araco also manufactures the
interiors for Land Cruisers, Lexuses, and other Toyota cars and trucks.
Toyota manufactures the Bundera/LandCruiser II, and Gifu Body manufactured the
45 Wagon. The remainder of the vehicle (except in some cases the engines) is
manufactured at Toyota's Honsya plant (Factory code A11)

BTW, all those NHTSA PDFs I found here:
ftp://ftp.nhtsa.dot.gov/mfrmail/

Catalog:
ftp://ftp.nhtsa.dot.gov/manufacture/Archive/565_051909.xls

SteveH
11-08-2011, 02:40 PM
The Jan. 1980 I just sold had a factory chrome package - including front bumper, running boards, bezel and bumperettes. The bumper had been replaced, and I sandblasted and powdercoated the rusty bezel. I sandblasted and painted the running boards, and the rear bumperettes were in nice shape, so I left them chrome.

Rzeppa
11-08-2011, 02:42 PM
since the original topic before hitting the tangential off ramp was a 1983 FJ40

Excellent point!

:blah:

subzali
11-08-2011, 03:21 PM
The Jan. 1980 I just sold had a factory chrome package - including front bumper, running boards, bezel and bumperettes. The bumper had been replaced, and I sandblasted and powdercoated the rusty bezel. I sandblasted and painted the running boards, and the rear bumperettes were in nice shape, so I left them chrome.

Was that an LX or was the chrome package optional outside of an LX-type package?

gr8fulabe
11-08-2011, 04:48 PM
So has anyone actually heard any response back from the seller (classic investments)?

I haven't had any response.
Thanks
Abe

SteveH
11-09-2011, 09:31 PM
I think the chrome package on this 1980 truck had nothing to do with the 'LX' package.