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rockrod
08-25-2012, 04:23 PM
Is anyone into it on this forum? I am about ready to pull the trigger on a norco shore 3. From what I have read, it's a good entry level bike.

Thoughts?
Corey

Corbet
08-25-2012, 05:34 PM
Can't comment on the bike you listed but are you trying to decide between a FR or a DH bike? Personally I'd go FR unless you are committed to riding lifts every time you want to get any saddle time.

My FR bike is a Cannondale Gemini. Its pretty old now but still rides nice. I upgraded the fork and rear shock. I'm on a single crown fork to keep the overall weight manageable uphill. I've got 170mm front and rear.

Angel Fire Ski Area in NM has an excellent FR park by the way.

rockrod
08-25-2012, 10:04 PM
Yeah I am leaning more towards freeride. It's a ton of fun!

ScooterFJ40
08-27-2012, 10:43 PM
I've been riding DH for a few years, Norco makes a decent bike. All my race buddies run high end brands like Santa Cruz, Kona, etc. - but they're sponsored and practically get the bikes for free.

If you ever want to ride some fairly level trails or XC stuff, go with a FR. I'm bad about only taking the lift up, crankin my Haro up a hill blows usually.

euroford
08-28-2012, 10:39 AM
Getting into freeride/dh around here is a very very good idea. I've been a season pass holder at winter park for four years, and the place has taken off the last couple of years offering up a ton of trails of almost every style and type. Not to mention Sol Vista, Anglefire, keystone and others for when you want something different.

That Norco would definitely get your feet wet, but it is a pretty low-end build package and only a 6" travel bike. you'll definitely be left wanting to upgrade about everything if you ride it a lot. but, it is a solid frame from a good company and will get your started if thats all you can invest. save some cash for that winter park season pass :)

I ride a transition bottlerocket, 6" in the front and 5.5" in the back. its an awesome freeride bike and i ride everything with it, but it is seriously lacking when things get steep, super fast or super rocky. its perfect for jump trails like "rainmaker" where it feels more like a super duper dirtjump bike. i also do a lot of dirtjumping so that works well for me.

but... when i ride the steep, rocky or mega fast trails, the geo and short travel leaves you VERY VERY little margin for error, if you get off the line or make a mistake be ready for a quick launch over the bars.

as a short travel FR bike, i've tried to make it a 'do all' machine by running an adjustable seatpost and hammerschmidt, but its not panned out to make too much sense. to survive a day at a resort, I have to run 2.5" DH tires that bring my weight to 42 pounds. post season i can swap to lightweight tubeless tires and drop it to 34 pounds. mostly i just ride my 29er instead.

if i wasn't spending all of my money on other things (new house... heep... lawyers...) i would buy a 7" travel free ride specific rig or an 8" travel world cup downhill type rig and swap the bottlerockets parts over to a covert frame for use as a fun 'all mountain' rig.

If i was to make a recommendation for the best lift serviced freeride bike for the front range, i'd say go with a Transition TR250.

or... since we only have about a 4 weeks of downhill ridding left, why don't you just join me at winter park and i can get you a 50% discount on a rental or demo bike, and you can try some stuff out.

http://i48.tinypic.com/141b9w.jpg

bustanutley
08-28-2012, 03:41 PM
This is what I tell all my friends who eventually decide they want to join me on the “slopes” during the summer months.

If you want a DH bike do not compromise, the bikes that people claim that can be pedaled up hill and be fun at the bike parks and/or be a jack of all trades suck at everything. The geo will be wack, it will be cumbersome, heavy and have an identity crisis with the parts spec’d. To maximize fun especially living in Colorado with all our bike parks, get a legit DH bike with modern low slack geometry. A friend of mine almost bought a yeti 7 (stupid bike) and I talked him out of it with the same pep talk, got him to go into mojo wheels and they got him into a brand new nice special ed demo for a very reasonable figure. He is in love. The best thing to do is demo a bunch of bikes at the parks and form your opinion about which bike suits you. I would personally pass on the shore... The transition above is a very nice ride but I would suggest the longer travel TR450 for CO especially for a newer rider. I ride a very similar bike and love it very much.

rockrod
08-28-2012, 09:32 PM
I appreciate the input. It sounds like I need to demo some more bikes are get educated on what's out there.

I am not new to mountain biking but I have been out of the scene for about 10 years, and a lot has changed. I also have done very little resort riding, but the little I have done has been super fun. My experience has been pretty much all cross country.

The shore was appealing due to its low cost entry level status to get my feet wet, but maybe it's best to hold out and save some cash to get a better bike.

Decisions.....

Corbet
08-28-2012, 09:52 PM
If you want a DH bike do not compromise, the bikes that people claim that can be pedaled up hill and be fun at the bike parks and/or be a jack of all trades suck at everything.

I disagree. I really enjoy my Cannondale Gemini. I can ride it up or down. Is it a DH bike on the downhill, no. Is it a XC bike going up, hell no. But it does not require a lift to ride, no. If gravity is going to be your thing and you can live at the lift buy a DH. You'll just need another bike to ride elsewhere. Really its just about having fun.

In the end you'll need a lot of bikes ;) For starters...

Road
Cyclocross
XC mountain
FR
DH
Towney
Tandem (if you have a partner)

This is the most fun on two wheels without a motor IMO. Ventana soft tail on Slickrock.

rockrod
08-28-2012, 10:49 PM
Funny you mention the road bike. My wife has no interest in dh so she wants me to get a road bike so that we can ride together. This is going to get expensive.

smslavin
08-29-2012, 09:01 AM
I would suggest the longer travel TR450 for CO

I've been looking hard at that bike for next summer but I'm in a conundrum between it and Yeti's 303. Probably going to wind up with the TR though. Bummed I didn't have any gear with me when we were in Telluride or I would have demo'd one. Probably for the best though, as I'm sure that if I demo'd it, I would have tried to bring it home.

In the end you'll need a lot of bikes

Ha! It's just like skis and surfboards. :D I've got my road bike and SS hard tail. Track bike is coming whenever they decided to finish the track in Erie. I've got a parts pile started for a 6" full squish. Then, there'll be the DH bike. Weeeeeee!

That Ventana looks like a hoot.

rockrod
08-29-2012, 01:49 PM
How about a Kona Stinky Deelux?

I found one for what appears to be a decent price.

euroford
08-29-2012, 06:51 PM
I've never been a fan of Kona's personally.

I'd get out and rent for the remainder of the year, then start keeping an eye out for used stuff after the season is over.

Corbet
08-29-2012, 08:15 PM
Corey, bikes are much like anything else. There will be one person how loves a particular bike and the next who hates it for one reason or another. Much like slamming a chevy engine in a Toyota. Some love it, others are purists. I've done it twice so don't think I'm a hater.;)

The best advice you've got is to demo a few and pick what you like in your price range. If you could find something used that would be great. But keep in mind simply replacing the complete drive train on a high end bike will be very costly. So if there is any doubt in condition have someone in the know check it out.

Everyone is going to have a slightly different riding style and ability making each bike different for each individual.

rockrod
08-29-2012, 10:17 PM
That's good advice :)

I will let you all know what I end up with.

euroford
08-30-2012, 09:41 AM
Everyone is going to have a slightly different riding style and ability making each bike different for each individual.

Yup. ultimately its a highly personal and expensive decision and the only thing that really matters is that you get out and have as much fun as possible.

everybody has their own personal benchmarks in the sport, and its up to you to decide what that idea of 'fun' really is. its also an overly fashion conscious sport with a nearly unlimited level of bling available and its easy to get sucked into that.

no matter what bike you choose, it will have notable advantages and disadvantages depending on where, how, how often and with whom you ride and i would not take anybody's advice as gospel.

if your racing, obviously the clock is the only thing that counts.

otherwise, fun is the only metric that matters!!

to add: without a doubt the single best thing i've bought to enhance my DH/FR ridding experience of the last couple of years has been a Leatt brace. Do invest in quality safety equipment, the potential for some horrendous crashes exist and having quality safety equipment should definitely be factored into your purchase decisions. on top of the obvious protection, the psychological aspect is pretty huge.

Caribou Sandstorm
08-30-2012, 10:28 AM
I've been riding DH for a few years, Norco makes a decent bike. All my race buddies run high end brands like Santa Cruz, Kona, etc. - but they're sponsored and practically get the bikes for free.

If you ever want to ride some fairly level trails or XC stuff, go with a FR. I'm bad about only taking the lift up, crankin my Haro up a hill blows usually.

Hey Scooter, do you know Sean Enners? He is on the downhill circuit local. He is a buddy I work with.

rockrod
09-02-2012, 06:37 PM
I went with the kona stinky dee-lux.

The PO put a Marzocchi 888 RC2X fork and the original fox vanilla is still in place. I really like the elixer Rs with the 203mm rotors. The bike can stop.

My plan is to ride it around here and then take it apart this winter and go through it. I need to get some safety gear so I won't go up to a resort until the spring.

Woohoo! I am super excited!

art hog
09-02-2012, 07:22 PM
I disagree. I really enjoy my Cannondale Gemini. I can ride it up or down. Is it a DH bike on the downhill, no. Is it a XC bike going up, hell no. But it does not require a lift to ride, no. If gravity is going to be your thing and you can live at the lift buy a DH. You'll just need another bike to ride elsewhere. Really its just about having fun.

In the end you'll need a lot of bikes ;) For starters...

Road
Cyclocross
XC mountain
FR
DH
Towney
Tandem (if you have a partner)

This is the most fun on two wheels without a motor IMO. Ventana soft tail on Slickrock.

I have a Gemini 1000 (for sale) and it does great on all trails. It is awesome in MOAB. I think it climbs very well and hammers the down. My pro friend told me to put a boxxer fork on it and I could do 90% of the downhills in CO.

Here is a pic of my Ventana