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Corbet
09-11-2012, 08:37 PM
Anyone else have some serious 70 Series envy after reading the Sept/Oct issue of Toyota Trails? I've had a case of it for some time, but the recent magazine seemed to have way more 70's than average. Some sort of subliminal thing going on there.:confused: The mustard colored on the cover is almost hypnotizing to me. :drool:

simps80
09-11-2012, 09:28 PM
I still haven't received my sept/oct issue ... I guess I should have by now...??

kybrad
09-11-2012, 09:31 PM
I finally joined today. Covered for the next 3 years!

:pirate:

subzali
09-12-2012, 08:11 AM
I've had 70 series envy for years...:(

PabloCruise
09-12-2012, 08:13 AM
Why did the one on the cover have Wyoming plates?

Don't tell me the wind blew it all the way to Anarctica!

Caribou Sandstorm
09-12-2012, 11:29 AM
:drool:

from the expo portal

http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk190/seandaly/untitled.jpg

from my Costa Rica trip in June... :drool: :drool:

http://chrissandstormfj.smugmug.com/Other/Costa-Rica-June-2012/i-XtTHjs8/0/L/DSCF1053-L.jpg

subzali
09-12-2012, 11:46 AM
Mmmm..VDJ76. Nice.

wesintl
09-12-2012, 12:40 PM
I'm over it :p

Corbet
09-12-2012, 06:07 PM
Mmmm..VDJ76. Nice.

I don't think VDJ76 as there is not scoop for the intercooler. So I'm guessing some other power plant?


I'm over it :p

I should have said long wheel base 70 series. Yours is :cool: but not practical for me. I need room for the family. So I can understand why your getting over it.

wesintl
09-12-2012, 06:38 PM
I should have said long wheel base 70 series.

pickups and troopies aren't practical for a family either. The only one is the 4 door.

OilHammer
09-12-2012, 07:27 PM
Yup, that's my choice right there. Basically an updated and narrowed 60 series look....but diesel of course. :)

Corbet
09-12-2012, 07:51 PM
pickups and troopies aren't practical for a family either. The only one is the 4 door.

I could get by with a Troopie as long as M's vehicle could be the primary. I got in and out of a 2door station wagon growing up, so could Bridger with a Troopie.

nakman
09-13-2012, 09:28 AM
Just read a nice story on CU's alumni page... http://www.cualum.org/2012/09/11/thirteen-days-in-the-bush/

http://www.cualum.org/wp/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/lions.jpg

DenCo40
09-13-2012, 11:54 AM
As soon as I saw the 70 on the cover I started researching ways to get one in the states. After looking around at EXPO and other sites I realized I will either have to move out of the country or just continue enjoying what I have.

Corbet
09-13-2012, 12:15 PM
No you just need to supply a fat wallet and find a LHD 15yr old truck to import. Then fix all that is wrong with said 15yr old truck and enjoy.

subzali
09-13-2012, 12:43 PM
no You Just Need To Supply A Fat Wallet And Find A Lhd 15yr Old Truck To Import. Then Fix All That Is Wrong With Said 15yr Old Truck And Enjoy.

25.

Corbet
09-13-2012, 01:58 PM
25.

25 if RHD my understanding

njtacoma
09-13-2012, 02:08 PM
I understood 25 years to be the US regulation.

15 to be Canadian regulation. No mention of RHD or LHD in the regs.

It has been a few years since I seriously looked into it.

-Neil

Corbet
09-13-2012, 02:10 PM
I might have had it confused with that.

bh4rnnr
09-15-2012, 10:05 AM
I could get by with a Troopie as long as M's vehicle could be the primary. I got in and out of a 2door station wagon growing up, so could Bridger with a Troopie.

The Troopies didnt bother me all that much....


30463


:D

Uncle Ben
09-15-2012, 04:00 PM
Raider Reach Technology...

Corbet
09-25-2012, 07:32 PM
3-door Troopy. The solution for the family guy.

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Toyota-Landcruiser-Troopy-4x4-Diesel-4-2-litre-Manual-8-seats-side-door-/251154706163?pt=AU_Cars&hash=item3a79fcaef3#ht_500wt_1212

Complete with forward facing 2nd/3rd row seating. My soccer dad rig.

OilHammer
09-26-2012, 11:11 AM
3 door....hmmm....never seen one of those

bigcity25
10-01-2012, 07:40 AM
I saw this while on vacation in Norway last week. They were advertising "Doctors without borders" I was more interested in the cruiser. The guy said its a great truck accept they didn't have the cold weather package on it. Starting was a chore in the mornings without a block heater. Sorry for the bad pics, used my iPhone and had a lot of glare from the sun.

OilHammer
10-09-2012, 02:25 PM
Found this little gem in Italy last week. LHD, manual, diesel, 2 dr landcruiser. I'm pretty sure this is aka Prado, but it didn't say it anywhere on it.
My wife's maiden name is Prado, so we thought it was funny. Meh...

Brochure on it: http://www.toyota.it/cars/new_cars/land_cruiser/ebrochure.tmex.brochure
And web: http://www.toyota.it/cars/new_cars/land_cruiser/index.tmex

Think of it as what the FJ cruiser really should have been if it wasn't going to be a 70 series variant.
If you skipped the diesel, I bet you could import this in a snap by showing how it's really just a Lexus. Diesel would be a bit tricky. Funny though, as to why nobody thinks to import from Italy. Everything in Italy is LHD and a manual. Most things are diesel, and most people there speak English pretty well. And if you like D90's holy....those things are everywhere. Modern 60th anniv D90's too.

Caribou Sandstorm
10-10-2012, 11:34 AM
That pic with Mary looks like a retro car add!

subzali
10-30-2012, 03:08 PM
Here's your new 70 series ads...

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MountainGoat
10-30-2012, 03:20 PM
Awesome! :hill:

cruiseroutfit
10-30-2012, 07:20 PM
Rad!

Corbet
10-30-2012, 07:29 PM
If only they could apply their tag line "Land Cruiser, its newer not softer" to our market.

subzali
11-08-2012, 07:22 AM
I spy a 70 series...
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-wUefLwIgFkM/UJrsgbMiqmI/AAAAAAAACgg/BIHmEVa2gM4/s1600/2012-2013+Antarctica+Nov+8+013.JPG

OilHammer
11-12-2012, 02:38 PM
If only they could apply their tag line "Land Cruiser, its newer not softer" to our market.

No kidding. None of those ads would fly here, but oh man, they should. Funny how Toyota allows that with how conservative they are.

Whew....I can imagine the backlash and apology campaign for that first one. Lol.

Jacket
12-21-2012, 11:47 AM
Wish I could go to a lot here in the US and test drive one of these....

http://forum.ih8mud.com/70-series-tech/671992-my-new-lc-76-1hz.html

OilHammer
12-21-2012, 12:28 PM
No kidding

Corbet
12-22-2012, 06:20 AM
Wish I could go to a lot here in the US and buy one of these....

http://forum.ih8mud.com/70-series-tech/671992-my-new-lc-76-1hz.html

Fixed it for you

cruiseroutfit
12-23-2012, 01:49 AM
Devil's advocate...

While the HZJ is a killer motor, few outside of the Cruiserhead community would want one. While we all wish Toyota would build and market just to us, its not happening :D

However, the VDJ (V8 Turbo-diesel) is something I feel the US consumers would buy, now would they buy it at the est $80k USD price tag? Tough call. What about a GRJ76, i.e. the same motor as the US spec Tacoma and FJ Cruiser however instead in the 4dr 70 Series wagon chassis (making it a 76). I was shocked to know they exist and are quite peppy and popular in their markets. There is absolutely zero reason Toyota couldn't streamline these into the US in my opinion, the engine is already EPA certified, and the chassis/body should be easy enough to get through fed DOT considering it meets more stringent Euro specs. But at an est. $60k USD price tag, would it sell enough for Toyota to import? There are substantial costs with bringing a vehicle into the US, parts supplies, tech training, federal safety mandates, etc. Would they sell?

Caribou Sandstorm
12-23-2012, 08:06 AM
Devil's advocate...

While the HZJ is a killer motor, few outside of the Cruiserhead community would want one. While we all wish Toyota would build and market just to us, its not happening :D

However, the VDJ (V8 Turbo-diesel) is something I feel the US consumers would buy, now would they buy it at the est $80k USD price tag? Tough call. What about a GRJ76, i.e. the same motor as the US spec Tacoma and FJ Cruiser however instead in the 4dr 70 Series wagon chassis (making it a 76). I was shocked to know they exist and are quite peppy and popular in their markets. There is absolutely zero reason Toyota couldn't streamline these into the US in my opinion, the engine is already EPA certified, and the chassis/body should be easy enough to get through fed DOT considering it meets more stringent Euro specs. But at an est. $60k USD price tag, would it sell enough for Toyota to import? There are substantial costs with bringing a vehicle into the US, parts supplies, tech training, federal safety mandates, etc. Would they sell?

I sure like th 60k price tag better and even moded the FJC and 4th gen had plenty of power. Gas mielage, I could fill up in Denver and make it to Moab on one tank..It was a stretch but I could make it.

DaveInDenver
12-23-2012, 08:29 AM
Nope, $60K would not sell. I would pay for a diesel Tacoma, although it's been several years since I've been in a dealership and I'm assuming that to be in the $35K range. I'm lead to understand that my idea of what cars should-vs-actually-do cost is skewed. My perception is based upon the fact that we paid $5K used for our truck almost 13 years ago and $6K for our second hand Jetta 6 years ago, so $30K seems like an awful lot to begin with.

MDH33
12-23-2012, 09:11 AM
Seems like G Wagons sell here and they cost even more, so why wouldn't an 80k cruiser sell? There are plenty of rich trophy wives that need expensive mall cruisers. :p:

Jacket
12-23-2012, 09:16 AM
Does the current 200 series sell enough to justify importing it? It seems unlikely, yet Toyota is sticking with it (for now). I wonder if Toyota foresees a time in the near future when no LC is sold in this market, and the Lexus sticks around and gets pimped up a bit more - possibly based on the Sequoia platform rather than the LC?

In the current US market, SUV's in the 60-80k range with a diesel motor puts you in the luxury lineup: Audi A7, Mercedes, Porsche. 45-60k gets you an BMW X5 or probably our "best" SUV comparison - the VW Touareg. Or you can get a full size 3/4 or 1 Ton pickup like the super badass (based on factory equipment) Power Wagon.

If you are a woman in this country, would you rather have a LC 70-series with it's relatively spartan/dated designs, or a Mercedes/Audi/Porsche?

If you are a man (not a man on this forum, but a man in the break room at your job), would you buy a VDJ76, or an F350 fully decked out inside and out?

All that said, it feels to me like the Diesel market is gaining small amounts of momentum around here. I've seen BMW pimping the new X5 diesel, Porsche has the new Cayenne diesel, and VW seems to have most TDI's on the streets (mostly Jetta's though). The marketing line is not "clean diesel", or "MPG's" - it's the range: 700+ miles per tank. The Germans continue to lead the way. I wonder if any of the Japanese or US brands will attempt to compete?

Sorry - this is not a diesel debate thread and I'm taking the chat way off topic. But I've had 3 cups of coffee and a good night's sleep. :ranger: :D

Caribou Sandstorm
12-23-2012, 09:30 AM
I don't think your heading off topic in the least and if you were, so what. It's your club and forum too... I See your cups of coffee and raise you one..:D

DaveInDenver
12-23-2012, 09:37 AM
Seems like G Wagons sell here and they cost even more, so why wouldn't an 80k cruiser sell? There are plenty of rich trophy wives that need expensive mall cruisers. :p:
G classes sell in roughly 200 series annual numbers, both of which are fractions of Tacomas and probably close to the weekly Corolla/Civic sales.

G Wagon (http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2011/01/mercedes-benz-g-class-sales-figures.html)

200 Series (http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2011/01/toyota-land-cruiser-sales-figures.html)

Taco (http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2011/01/toyota-tacoma-sales-figures.html)

cruiseroutfit
12-23-2012, 10:07 PM
Great comments guys.

I think Toyota has the 200 Series here because they have to have a flag-ship, top of the line, cream of the crop. Here in the US it only comes completely loaded and catered towards the luxury price tag. I think that is a big reason Toyota skipped the US with the newer 7x models, those in the market for a $80k Cruiser are not going to choose the model with a manual trans, a smell diesel and no seat heaters :D The 200 is a very capable vehicle and I think as price drop it will be a near identical transition for 100 Series owners just as 100's were for many, many 80's. The limited US sales numbers will limit that to some degree but I think Cruiserheads will buy them up as budgets allow. Having built a handful of them for customers, I'd own one in a heartbeat if I could afford to, in the meantime the 100 will have to do :D

Again, I'm a huge, huge fan of the 70 Series rigs, I have a BJ74 that I absolutely love, spent a grip of time driving the 78's and 79's in the US, Russia and Aussie and do think they are the most Land Cruiser product Toyota offers... I just don't know that that they would work here in the US on the scale Toyota would need them to at the price Toyota has to have for them?

Older 7x's (25+ year and even some younger grey markets) are widely available here stateside but people balk at the $15-25k price range they fetch. I think they would feel the same way if Toyota had a $60k GRJ76, it would be compared to the Jeep JK by the masses.

subzali
12-24-2012, 09:45 AM
...If you are a woman in this country, would you rather have a LC 70-series with it's relatively spartan/dated designs, or a Mercedes/Audi/Porsche?

I don't think it only applies to women. I had never seen the 76 series from the rear, but I agree with your statement above. I'm not too impressed with it. Personally I like the looks of the new 4runner a lot better, and the looks of the 80 and (gasp) the 100 better too.

A VDJ79 pickup would be pretty sweet though.

Caribou Sandstorm
12-24-2012, 10:03 AM
Great comments guys.

I think Toyota has the 200 Series here because they have to have a flag-ship, top of the line, cream of the crop. Here in the US it only comes completely loaded and catered towards the luxury price tag. I think that is a big reason Toyota skipped the US with the newer 7x models, those in the market for a $80k Cruiser are not going to choose the model with a manual trans, a smell diesel and no seat heaters :D The 200 is a very capable vehicle and I think as price drop it will be a near identical transition for 100 Series owners just as 100's were for many, many 80's. The limited US sales numbers will limit that to some degree but I think Cruiserheads will buy them up as budgets allow. Having built a handful of them for customers, I'd own one in a heartbeat if I could afford to, in the meantime the 100 will have to do :D

Again, I'm a huge, huge fan of the 70 Series rigs, I have a BJ74 that I absolutely love, spent a grip of time driving the 78's and 79's in the US, Russia and Aussie and do think they are the most Land Cruiser product Toyota offers... I just don't know that that they would work here in the US on the scale Toyota would need them to at the price Toyota has to have for them?

Older 7x's (25+ year and even some younger grey markets) are widely available here stateside but people balk at the $15-25k price range they fetch. I think they would feel the same way if Toyota had a $60k GRJ76, it would be compared to the Jeep JK by the masses.

Kurt you are closer to this than most of us... Your last comment is what I wonder about, with the popularity of the Jeep and I don't know the numbers for sales, but it makes you wonder why Toyota would not want their share of that market, especially with the popularity of the FJC.

cruiseroutfit
12-24-2012, 11:55 PM
Kurt you are closer to this than most of us... Your last comment is what I wonder about, with the popularity of the Jeep and I don't know the numbers for sales, but it makes you wonder why Toyota would not want their share of that market, especially with the popularity of the FJC.

I can only assume the brains in Toyota have figured that the potential profit they would make by gaining some share of that market (albeit a small number at $60k+) is outweighed by the cost of entry for a new platform in the US market. I remember talking to a Toyota exec about the cost of roll-out for a new model, this isn't anything related to the actual cost of the vehicle/production but things like training, sales material, parts inventory, EPA/DOT testing, tariffs/taxes, etc and it was a pretty wild number. We were discussing why the 200 has been a low seller in the US and why its a $80k vehicle. Of course maybe they just do it to torture us :D

Corbet
12-26-2012, 08:08 PM
I think Kurt just hit it on the head. Setting aside the price point. There must be enough demand to justify training all the dealerships in both sales and service to introduce the vehicle state side. Granted that could be lessened with the use of a shared drivetrain. But for the diesels that would required a large investment by Toyota. All we can hope IMO is that Toyota decides to go diesel with truck based vehicle to make their cafe numbers in the near future. Making the VDJ76 an easier transition down the road. But it looks like we are destined for more hybrid vehicles from Toyota and probably just gas trucks for a while.

Caribou Sandstorm
06-14-2013, 09:54 AM
pickups and troopies aren't practical for a family either. The only one is the 4 door.

Check out what I found at Toyota of Gibraltar.... I think this is a new offering...

http://ecom.toyota-gib.com/images/Database/1446.jpg

http://ecom.toyota-gib.com/images/Database/1447.jpg

Also it has been confirmed, 2014 is the last year for the FJC, there is a thread over in the Expo Portal about it and Scott Brady mentioned something about the Globalization of the auto industry and what does that mean for us and the 70 series????

Would be awesome to have these available... dreaming i Know.

http://ecom.toyota-gib.com/images/Database/938.jpg

FJBRADY
06-14-2013, 10:13 AM
But it looks like we are destined for more hybrid vehicles from Toyota and probably just gas trucks for a while.

This is correct. I spoke to a Lexus service manager last month who has been with Lexus since the brand originated and there are no plans to bring a diesel to the US and cannibalize hybrid sales.

I do believe we will see more and more diesel's from other brands making it to the US, in fact VW has a diesel hybrid sedan in the works. Once domestic manufacturer's start putting a 3.0 diesel in full size pickups, SUV's and seeing 30 MPG +, being able to tow 9K and there is an adoption here in the US for diesel powered sedans upsetting the hybrid market you will then see Toyota import diesel powered vehicles.

It's all about market share and $.

Caribou Sandstorm
06-14-2013, 11:11 AM
This is correct. I spoke to a Lexus service manager last month who has been with Lexus since the brand originated and there are no plans to bring a diesel to the US and cannibalize hybrid sales.

I do believe we will see more and more diesel's from other brands making it to the US, in fact VW has a diesel hybrid sedan in the works. Once domestic manufacturer's start putting a 3.0 diesel in full size pickups, SUV's and seeing 30 MPG +, being able to tow 9K and there is an adoption here in the US for diesel powered sedans upsetting the hybrid market you will then see Toyota import diesel powered vehicles.

It's all about market share and $.

Hopefully that will be around the time I am ready to get a new rig...:)

Jacket
06-14-2013, 11:14 AM
Speaking of global vehicles, Mercedes continues to produce the G Wagen here in the US despite it's boxy looks, high center of gravity and relatively poor on-road manners.

http://www.mbusa.com/mercedes/vehicles/model/class-G/model-G550

Fully equipped with rigid front and rear axles, center, front and rear locking differentials, and a coil sprung suspension, it's really a great platform for off road travel. But at $113k, it's a bit out of reach for you and me until it has passed through several owners' hands. But Mercedes continues to produce these trucks and import them into the US market as a niche vehicle.

I like this lady's review. She is very cautious not to say anything too negative because it's a Mercedes, and after all most US elitists are enamored by the Mercedes brand. Similar reviews of the 200 series always get pointedly negative feedback about the "truck parts" of the vehicle.

http://money.cnn.com/video/pf/2013/06/12/pf-w-mercedes-benz-g-550.cnnmoney/index.html

Unfortunately the US market doesn't feel the same way about the Toyota brand like they do with Mercedes, so a $75000 70 series won't have the same appeal, especially without all the Mercedes finishing touches. Maybe Toyota should produce a Lexus version, improve some of the exterior styling, and sell a 70 series Lexus for $100k to compete with the G Wagen? :)

wesintl
06-14-2013, 12:30 PM
Hopefully that will be around the time I am ready to get a new rig...:)

doubtful in 2mos... :lmao:

Caribou Sandstorm
06-14-2013, 01:38 PM
doubtful in 2mos... :lmao:

:D:p:

DaveInDenver
06-14-2013, 02:20 PM
Chevy Cruze Turbo Diesel. VW has proved a TDI sedan is popular, so not a huge surprise it's gonna come down to hybrid or diesel in the future. Hard to say in passenger cars whether hybrids or diesels (why not a diesel hybrid), but I can't see hybrids being useful in truck. So wonder if a diesel Colorado is far behind, now that would be interesting.

http://media.chevrolet.com/content/media/us/en/chevrolet/news.detail.html/content/Pages/news/us/en/2013/May/0207-debuts-of-cruze-diesel.html

OilHammer
06-14-2013, 02:48 PM
Interesting quote: "With a starting price at $25,695, including a $810 destination charge, Cruze Diesel comes with a six-speed automatic transmission, four-wheel antilock disc brakes, 3.20 final drive ratio, 140-amp alternator, 800 cold-cranking amps battery, 17-inch alloy wheels, ultra-low-rolling resistance all-season tires, rear spoiler, Aero Performance Package and leather-appointed seating."

Why diesel economy cars still come in an automatic is beyond me. Maybe that's a misprint, but if you can't work a clutch, at least offer a PDK type manual tranny that's far more efficient than the old autos. The other odd thing there, is the alternator. Damn, 140amps for a diesel? Good lord...what are they powering in that?

smslavin
06-14-2013, 02:54 PM
G Wagen

Those things are rad. Tons of room inside and very capable. If you've got the cash for one, you might as well just go all the way and get the AMG version or this one... :thumb:

eKhmivp64sA

subzali
06-14-2013, 03:32 PM
Check out what I found at Toyota of Gibraltar.... I think this is a new offering...

http://ecom.toyota-gib.com/images/Database/1446.jpg

http://ecom.toyota-gib.com/images/Database/1447.jpg


Yes, I believe the double cap pickup was new for the 2013 model year, even though the 70 series has been around since 1985 - a 28 year run! Now that its run has outlasted even the FJ40's long 22 year run (1962 to 1984), I wonder how much longer it's going to last before Toyota will have to make a model change? I wonder what number they're going to go with?

http://forum.ih8mud.com/diesel-tech-24-volts-systems/608828-i-f-ing-hate-australia-toyota-right-now.html

http://forum.ih8mud.com/70-series-tech/608616-its-here-new-dual-cab.html