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Crash
09-22-2012, 03:37 PM
Worth $10K? 78K miles, always garaged, desmogged, never been offroad, recent exterior repaint, etc.

Crash
09-22-2012, 03:49 PM
Couple more pics. Second owner has had it for 30 years and bought it from a Toyota dealer service manager. He retired last year - an 84 year old banker and it was used as his pheasant hunting truck. I guess I should have said it hasn't been wheeled but has been on dirt roads. :thumb: Has MAF header. Original hard top was damaged when a tree limb fell on it so the Bestop is it. No rust anywhere. Check out "Hubs Locked" magnetic sign on heater! Upside down for when they aren't. Cute and yes, the bezel is upside down.

J Kimmel
09-22-2012, 03:55 PM
probably easily worth 10K

nice jeep

Romer
09-22-2012, 03:59 PM
Nice rig Steve. Did you buy it?

subzali
09-22-2012, 04:02 PM
Could be worth that much, especially if really no rust and with the low miles (are they documented?). Repaint the rear frame black like it's supposed to be, and paint the bumperettes pewter and you're good to go. Bummer it doesn't have a hardtop, those are getting pretty expensive...

Crash
09-22-2012, 04:18 PM
Jeremy, you are too funny! Haven't bought it, but you know how it goes, the more you think and talk about it, things happen. Haven't owned a 40 since the two I had between '73 and '77 but this one grabbed my eye as it is so clean. Just got off the phone with the owner and he says he has some spare parts and the original wheels. How difficult is it to resmog this vehicle or should I just register it in a different - non-Denver - county?

probably easily worth 10K

nice jeep

subzali
09-22-2012, 06:11 PM
'77-specific smog parts are hard to find, if you don't want to pay $OR prices. Even SOR doesn't have everything all the time. The smog pump and EGR cooler and valve aren't too hard, but the VSVs and VTV are unique to that model year. Does it have the original carb on it? '77 carbs are hard to find too for some reason...

Crash
09-22-2012, 06:52 PM
'77-specific smog parts are hard to find, if you don't want to pay $OR prices. Even SOR doesn't have everything all the time. The smog pump and EGR cooler and valve aren't too hard, but the VSVs and VTV are unique to that model year. Does it have the original carb on it? '77 carbs are hard to find too for some reason...

Matt, keep the reality check info coming and everyone else too! Good bargaining material. :D I can only guess that the carb is original. I've even heard that the original Toyota radio for that year has become a high dollar item on eBay.

rover67
09-22-2012, 07:20 PM
I personally think it looks sweet.

my concerns would be the following.

As Matt mentioned, resmogging. This could prove difficult but a quick search to see what the replacement bit would cost and the availability would answer that question. Certainly having the option of registering in a non testing county would be nice, but your resale might suffer still. depends on what your plans are for it. not sure what that system looked like or else I could give more specific estimated costs, but if it had a smog pump those are expensive. People now have finally switched from desmogging and giving away smog bits, to resmogging/maintaining so these bits are getting pricey and hard to find.

Rust. you know this of course, but I'd make sure it is relatively rust free. the paint job could have been part of body work that was done to hide stuff. pretty easy to tell though since it will be that damned rear sill that is rusty and a look from underneath would show it's true colors. same with the rear fenders. are all the seams original looking? Again, I figure you know all this stuff but maybe it is worth mentioning.

The top. I wanted a hard top with mine and bought it with only a soft top. I had to look for a while for a hard top that was complete with good ambi doors. initially folks would say that tops were easy to find, but it wasn't for me. AND the ambi doors pull a PREMIUM. this may or not be important. it added a lot of $$ to my investment though. Actually for some reason I feel like the lack of top might not make it worth 10k for me, but again if this is not important for you than maybe no big deal.

Otherwise I think it is a sweet rig, I mean it is probably relatively rust free, and in my book that might trump any thing else. It'd mean you wouldn't be tempted to go to work on it and instead you could enjoy it immediatly without stopping. that's worth a lot to me now that i got my project 40.

nuclearlemon
09-22-2012, 08:32 PM
if it were smogable...probably worth it if it's really that clean, since it has things like original wheels available. why is the front door not closing correctly tho?

Jenny Cruiser
09-22-2012, 10:35 PM
Not worth 10K. The paint, carpet and especially no top put it in the 6Kish range. Is that a trailer brake in there? How big were those pheasants? :confused:

Crash
09-22-2012, 11:20 PM
Thanks and keep the comments coming, folks, I'm making a bargaining list. Ige, I think the door wasn't latched. Something to look at more closely, though. The pics were taken at the car show we had the Mercury's in last weekend and I wasn't in critical inspection mode. Owner told me about the trailer brake being installed by the first owner but I can't remember the details. Carpet doesn't look original? From what I've seen on fleabay, $6K doesn't buy much of a Cruiser but I'm just starting to look and learn.

Corbet
09-23-2012, 08:57 AM
The lack of hard top is probably the biggest negative. Smog... I don't live in a smog area so that part never concerns me. But if a full resto is your plan it is an issue.

If your just looking for a fair weather driver that looks like a winner to me. Confirm there is no body repair work and I could see paying 8K for that easy.

nattybumppo
09-23-2012, 11:19 AM
I love it! Steve in a 40!

MDH33
09-23-2012, 05:34 PM
Steve, if you pull the trigger, I have a box full of '77 2F smog stuff that came from my engine. ('77 transplanted into my '73).

If you have the garage space, I wouldn't worry about it not having a hard top. It's more fun to drive them topless anyway. :thumb:

Crash
09-23-2012, 07:13 PM
Thanks, Martin and I agree with your thought on going topless. It would definitely be a garage queen.

Steve, if you pull the trigger, I have a box full of '77 2F smog stuff that came from my engine. ('77 transplanted into my '73).

If you have the garage space, I wouldn't worry about it not having a hard top. It's more fun to drive them topless anyway. :thumb:

subzali
09-23-2012, 10:10 PM
Steve, if you pull the trigger, I have a box full of '77 2F smog stuff that came from my engine. ('77 transplanted into my '73).

If you have the garage space, I wouldn't worry about it not having a hard top. It's more fun to drive them topless anyway. :thumb:

What!? And you never told me!? I need the two VSVs and the red VTV and I've been looking high and low for them!

MDH33
09-24-2012, 08:48 PM
What!? And you never told me!? I need the two VSVs and the red VTV and I've been looking high and low for them!

Didn't know you were needing stuff, Matt. I don't read the forum/communicate with the club much these days. :o Will look to see what I have specifically.

subzali
09-24-2012, 08:58 PM
Didn't know you were needing stuff, Matt. I don't read the forum/communicate with the club much these days. :o Will look to see what I have specifically.

Don't feel bad Martin, I'm just ribbin' ya a little.

I don't think I've brought it up on the forum at all, but I've been scoping the MUD classifieds for a while...

OilHammer
09-24-2012, 11:16 PM
I would assume there's lots of rust (underneath) until proven otherwise. The paint job on that is WAY sloppy. Hood bumpers are painted, frame is painted, and on and on. Looks a lot like a MAACO job to me and if they shortcut that, what else got quick fixed?

I could be wrong, but typically people that fix things "right" fix it ALL right.

Of course....if it was all right, it would be pushing $30k and on ebay. :)

Crash
09-25-2012, 06:04 PM
While checking CL for comparables I ran across this in CS: http://cosprings.craigslist.org/ctd/3284231925.html
If only it wasn't a scam!!

Old40Dog
09-26-2012, 07:59 AM
Ahhh, yes! Back to where it all started! :D

IMHO, You just can't get a 40 completely out of your mind once you've owned one!

Make him an offer he can refuse. Then you'll know where he's really at on it. You can always make another higher one if you still feel its worth it.

Go For It Steve! :cheer::cheer::cheer:

74fj40
09-28-2012, 01:27 AM
Those tires all look awfully old...

cbmontgo
09-28-2012, 03:56 PM
Might want to get some "before paint" pics and see what kind of rust is/was under there. That would be a big deal to me.

CardinalFJ60
09-28-2012, 06:21 PM
join the "100 - something series club" I kinda have a 100 with my 60 and 40. You need a"102" series set of cruisers. :D

Corbet
09-28-2012, 06:59 PM
join the "100 - something series club" I kinda have a 100 with my 60 and 40. You need a"102" series set of cruisers. :D

But by that thinking my 40 and 80 = a 120 series(4runner). And that just is not right.

Crash
09-28-2012, 07:50 PM
"Gee, Mom, it just followed me home!"
More later.
:D

Corbet
09-28-2012, 08:08 PM
"Gee, Mom, it just followed me home!"
More later.
:D

I need to remember that one...:lmao:

Hulk
09-28-2012, 10:51 PM
:D :) awesome!

MDH33
09-29-2012, 09:53 AM
:bowdown::zilla:

:thumb:

Uncle Ben
09-29-2012, 10:04 AM
That's so awesome! :bowdown::bowdown::bowdown::zilla:

wesintl
09-29-2012, 10:25 AM
lets see your big grin behind the wheel crash

Romer
09-29-2012, 10:30 AM
Nothing like a Red 77 40. Congrats Steve

Crash
09-29-2012, 10:55 AM
Thanks guys. It's been 35(!) years since I last had a 40 and it feels great to have another. Wes, this pic will have to serve for now but the grin is genuine. That's me and RC the previous owner sealing the deal with a handshake. The truck's new name is RC (Red Cruiser) in honor of the vehicle's caretaker of the past 30 years. He's really glad that it is now in the hands of someone who appreciates Cruisers.
The bezel being rotated 180* was the first thing done when we got it home and the next will be removal of the tow bar and trailer hitch. Just what I needed, another vehicle to work on and another MUD forum to follow! :thumb: At least I'm qualified now for the Rising Sun 40s Only trail ride. :thumb::thumb:

MountainGoat
09-29-2012, 11:43 AM
:D Awesome Steve! :D

:zilla::headbang:

Romer
09-29-2012, 01:08 PM
Steve, since your 35 years older, at your age when the sun is hot, really only the cruiser should be topless

cbmontgo
09-29-2012, 01:14 PM
Great news! Congrats!

Crash
09-29-2012, 02:50 PM
Uh, what? Not exactly sure of what you are saying but know this, when I'm topless, Arnold looks on in envy. ;) Arnold Stang, not Schwarzenegger but, hey! :D
Ken, was the 40 you sold a red 1977?

Steve, since your 35 years older, at your age when the sun is hot, really only the cruiser should be topless

Romer
09-29-2012, 05:27 PM
yes it was. Sold it to Tim and then he sold it to guys in Texas. I also had a 1974 FJ40 that I bought used in 1979 and sold in 1984. Back in the day when I could go topless as well :rolleyes: and not make the ladies puke

http://forum.ih8mud.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=36033&stc=1&d=1126490439

RicardoJM
09-29-2012, 05:43 PM
Sweet Steve:D

Crash
09-29-2012, 06:53 PM
yes it was. Sold it to Tim and then he sold it to guys in Texas. I also had a 1974 FJ40 that I bought used in 1979 and sold in 1984. Back in the day when I could go topless as well :rolleyes: and not make the ladies puke

http://forum.ih8mud.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=36033&stc=1&d=1126490439

Well then, you should recognize the truck in these pics. My friend Lee Armstrong was the Cruiser transporter back to Texas and he stayed with us a few days helping to deplete the local brewery stockpiles. That's my garage your old truck is in and by the time we loaded all of the Cruiser parts and cases of beer, the back end was sagging mightily. I helped Lee pick the truck up from Nakman but didn't know that it was yours prior to Tim's ownership. Or, and more likely, I did know that but had forgotten. Thanks for the reminder! :thumb:

Jenny Cruiser
09-29-2012, 07:05 PM
Nice. 77 is a good year! :cheers:

subzali
09-29-2012, 09:46 PM
Steve, when you get a chance post up what the VIN is and/or the build date, see how close it is to mine :cool:

Mine was red originally too :cheers:

Crash
09-30-2012, 10:28 AM
VIN is FJ40251372 - back before a 17 character VIN became standard practice. Simpler times! Build date on VIN plate is June - towards the end of the model year for '77 I guess.

subzali
09-30-2012, 09:44 PM
Yep, almost 20,000 after mine. Yours will be close to Kurt's though.

nattybumppo
10-01-2012, 06:56 AM
Hah! Mines newer!

MDH33
10-01-2012, 09:17 AM
At least I'm qualified now for the Rising Sun 40s Only trail ride. :thumb::thumb:

Your timing is good then as that still needs to happen for 2012. Unfortunately, I'm still waiting for knee surgery, so it might be a 40's Only snow run this year. :o

Crash
10-01-2012, 09:25 AM
Your timing is good then as that still needs to happen for 2012. Unfortunately, I'm still waiting for knee surgery, so it might be a 40's Only snow run this year. :o

Snow Run in my new truck? If there is snow on the ground, RC will be in the garage!! :lmao: Have to figure out how to register it as it has been desmogged and I'm not planing on putting smog gear back on it. Any suggestions?
Matt, do you know how many '77s were built?

RicardoJM
10-01-2012, 09:46 AM
Snow Run in my new truck? If there is snow on the ground, RC will be in the garage!! :lmao: Have to figure out how to register it as it has been desmogged and I'm not planing on putting smog gear back on it. Any suggestions?
Matt, do you know how many '77s were built?

Is the tail pipe sniff outfit still operational on the corner of 38th and Federal? The outfit I used on Oxford and Broadway closed a few years ago. If they are still there I would take it in and see how it does. Post a pic of the engine bay; so we can see what issues you might encounter with the visual inspection. This is not really an area that I am very familiar with, but believe you will need to have an air pump (low, front, drivers side) and an air rail (tubes going into the intake) for the visual. I'm sure others with post 75 vehicles will have more insight.

subzali
10-01-2012, 09:46 AM
Snow Run in my new truck? If there is snow on the ground, RC will be in the garage!! :lmao: Have to figure out how to register it as it has been desmogged and I'm not planing on putting smog gear back on it. Any suggestions?
Matt, do you know how many '77s were built?

You'd better have property in a smog-exempt area. That's about your only option.

Just estimating from my build date 10/76 to your build date 6/77, my VIN is 233589. Yours is 251372. That's 17,783. So it would probably be close to 20,000 or 25,000 I would suppose. That's worldwide I think.

Kurt's is a 6/77 and is 252155. So that's 18,566.

Crash
10-01-2012, 10:20 AM
You'd better have property in a smog-exempt area. That's about your only option.

Just estimating from my build date 10/76 to your build date 6/77, my VIN is 233589. Yours is 251372. That's 17,783. So it would probably be close to 20,000 or 25,000 I would suppose. That's worldwide I think.

Kurt's is a 6/77 and is 252155. So that's 18,566.

How does a renter register a vehicle?

subzali
10-01-2012, 11:08 AM
How does a renter register a vehicle?

They tell you when the registration card comes in the mail so you can mail a check to the county :)

rover67
10-01-2012, 11:22 AM
Wow, nice work Steve :)

motivation for me to get mine happy again. It is not quite as non rusty as yours :)

MDH33
10-01-2012, 02:23 PM
Snow Run in my new truck? If there is snow on the ground, RC will be in the garage!! :lmao:

There's always the chance tHat we'll have a nice dry and warm fall/winter, so maybe we'll get lucky and be able to have the 40's Run in nice weather yet this season. :thumb: I'm hoping to have my surgery done mid October, so at least I'll be able to drive again, even if my leg isn't 100%.

Looking forward to seeing RC in person soon.

corsair23
10-01-2012, 03:27 PM
...do you know how many '77s were built?

I'm remember seeing this on RMC's webpage years ago:

http://www.rockymountaincruisers.com/icws351w10/resultsfastFacts.cfm?table=fastFacts&ffid=25&letter=H&title=Did%20you%20know...

Doesn't answer the question on how many were built (worldwide) but apparently under 10K were sold in the US.

Crash
10-01-2012, 05:28 PM
From the site of Jeff's link:
"Back in the 1950's the American Army contacted the Toyota Motor Corporation with a request for a 4WD vehicle to be used by the soldiers and military police stationed in Japan. Toyota took the request seriously. The result: the Land Cruiser, a literally bulletproof vehicle. Down to earth yet with spirited attitude, capable of enlivening the life you're living and the conversation you're having."

I certainly have to agree with the last sentence. Didn't know that the Land Cruiser was created because of a request from the American military.