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Fishy
10-17-2012, 04:30 PM
A very bizarre and spooky morning. We hit the trail at 8am with about 1/2 inch of fresh snow from last night. It was me and 1 passenger in my truck (also a 100 series owner and this Saturday will be his 1st run with RS.)

As we got farther back on the loop the snow got to be about 2 inches deep and very slick. It made for some interesting climbs and there's not a lot of room for sliding with all the trees along the trail.

About 1/4 mile from the "T" at the far end of the loop, I had my window down to look out the side of my truck and we heard someone screaming "HELP". Just then a guy popped out of the woods in front of us with a tshirt and cotton pants on, his arms inside the shirt. Not a sight you expect to see in 33 degree temps, with 2 inches of fresh snow at 8am with 30mph+ winds! :eek:
It was CHILLY.

He said he was with two other people last night and their truck broke down. He said he left the other two at the truck and went walking to find gas. Really? He had no recollection of where they were or where the truck was. While all this was alarming, he was clearly cold and worn out from spending the night in the woods with no shelter. We gave him a jacket and some water and told him to get in and get warm and lets go find the truck. I said "if you've got people who have been stuck in a truck all night we need to get them help" We asked "Do you want us to call 911?" and he said "No, I think the truck is right up here"
Well, it wasn't.


Then it got spooky. We offered for him to use our phones to call someone. He made a call but no one answered. He left no message and had no other numbers to call. We asked "Do you want to leave a message?" and he said "No, well, the mailbox was full and I don't think they will answer a number they don't recognize". 3 people are lost in the woods and no one will answer a number they don't recognize? I thought it was getting odd and nothing he was saying was adding up or making sense. He asked if we could drive him somewhere off Soda Creek Rd, which I said yes. Some more questions were asked and odd answers given in return. Very odd.

Then we got a return call on my phone from someone he called. The person wanted to know if he had the truck, then they told him the 2 others got the truck started again last night, then rolled it and one of them is injured and in the hospital. I could hear the person on the other end so I knew at least some of the story was legit. Although, why would he ask if this guy had the truck if he knew the truck was rolled and people got hurt? Why wouldn't anyone start looking for this guy if only two people returned from the trip they were on last night and one of them was injured? It was below freezing with snow and howling winds and someone who lives with you never returned from a trip in a truck with no windows or doors and no one is looking for anyone?

Once we got down to the meadow with the picnic shelter he recognized where we were and directed us to where he lived. On the way there, we found the truck. Rolled and damaged. Thankfully, no one was inside or around the truck dead in the snow. We were at least 5 miles from where we picked him up. Finally, we dropped the guy off at the place he said he lived with a group of people, including his girlfriend. She was one of the two he left in the truck the night before. No one came running out to say "I'm glad you're alive" or, "I can't believe you spent the night outside in the cold and snow and wind at 9000 feet in just a t-shirt" Just one guy came out and waved at us as we drove off.

Nothing made sense.

In hindsight, I should have called 911 as soon as we found a guy in a t-shirt who said he spent the night outside. Let alone with two other people somewhere out there. It was all surreal and at the time we were just concerned with getting this guy warm, hydrated and off the trail. It wasn't until we started asking him questions about where the others might be or why isn't anyone looking for you did it get strange. He said he laid down in the dirt after leaving the truck and it started snowing. We asked if he made a shelter and he said no, he just laid in the dirt. He had a lighter but couldn't get a fire started. We asked if the others had any coats or blankets and he said no.

I texted my wife as soon as we found him and told her we found a lost guy in the woods who spent the night in the cold. I told her the name the guy gave us, the trail we were on and where we were taking him. Naturally, she freaked and asked if I called 911. And freaked even more when I texted "not yet". I was just trying to be smart and give someone some information as to where I was....just in case. With all the horrible things we've seen in this state the last few months, I should have been more responsible and thought of my family. I respect our policy about not being armed on any run, and this was the official Pre Run for the SNR.

I made a bad choice by not calling 911 right away. Everything about this whole situation points to alerting someone to a very odd circumstance and a story that doesn't add up. I risked a lot by taking someone in to my vehicle nearly 10 miles from the closest paved road. And risked even more by taking a complete stranger with a story that clearly had holes in it to a property out in the middle of no where. But, someone was in need of help, and very cold, and lost, so just plain continuing on was out of the question.

After it was over, I did call 911. I spoke to the Clear Creek County sheriffs department and told them what happened. I didn't feel comfortable not relaying the information. What if those two others never did show up? What if something really terrible happened/was about to happen? What if there was more to the crazy story? I fully understand some people want their privacy and move to places like that to get away from people and government influence, but I felt like I needed to report something.

There is some more to the story. I did speak to the Deputy again this afternoon. There is one person in custody and one person in the hospital. I'll relay the rest on Saturday or at the next meeting. I was glad to have someone else in the truck with me. And, I'm glad I left my kids at home. I would not, under any circumstances have allowed anyone I didn't know into my truck with my kids inside. 911, some water and a warm jacket handed through a window are all you'll get. And if that ain't good enough, then good luck to you and follow the trail that way>>>.

Be smart and safe on the trail. I should have made better choices today and I will in the future.

nakman
10-17-2012, 04:50 PM
Wow!!! Glad you're ok, Stan, I wouldn't beat yourself up too bad though not sure I'd have behaved any differently. Some good points to think about though.


I'm curious where that roll over is.. it is on the loop? Or a different part of the trail? Also, he mentioned he lived on Soda Creek, and you got there in just a few miles? Were you actually able to connect Soda Creek with Barbour Fork, without having to go back down the hill?

Again, wow... :eek:

edit: and I hesitate to say it, but that truck looks a lot like the one we winched back up onto the trail a couple years ago, during the SNR on Moon Gulch.

edit2: probably not the same truck, found some pictures here http://www.risingsun4x4club.org/forum2/showpost.php?p=165613&postcount=20 and here http://www.risingsun4x4club.org/forum2/showpost.php?p=165614&postcount=21

Fishy
10-17-2012, 05:14 PM
The rollover is on the private property just northeast of the picnic shelter. I picked the guy up at the "T" on the far end of the loop. He said he been walking for a long time even before we got to him.

I just sent you a text with a little more info.

Gerdo
10-17-2012, 08:16 PM
Wow, I missed that.

BJTLC100
10-17-2012, 09:06 PM
Intro and Participant!

Hey guys,

My name is Brad, and have been a stalker on this site for awhile and haven't joined because Wednesday nights are crazy for me, but hope to make an upcoming meeting. I have been a long time follow of this site and memeber of IH8Mud for years. I was with Stan today and can attest to everything he said above. One of THE wierdest and in reflecting, most strange and POTENTIALLY harmful moments I have been in. We talked about how good samaritans gone bad, could have been headlines...maybe it's due to all the sad news with kids etc. as of late. I don't know. Good intentions, good deeds USUALLY have a good ending, and both Stan and I happy to report this event and our glad there's no further events to add. To echo Stan, if you are around the fire on Saturday....we'll wrap up the final details with you. Looking forward to meeting all those who will be there on Saturday for the run!

Brad

bomber22
10-17-2012, 09:37 PM
welcome idahospings, probably some folks coming out of the westwinds tavern at 2am, i have done it when i lived up there.mabye even some meth involved, who knows, good thing is everything went ok for the both of you.
as far as connecting barbour forks with soda creek, that is the name of the road you take to get to barbour forks.

Fishy
10-17-2012, 09:50 PM
Now, if this doesn't make the Spooky Night Run a little spookier, I don't know what will.

Clear Creek County Sheriffs department knows we will be out there Saturday night and some of us might even stay the night. I spoke with the deputy just this afternoon.They said they wouldn't be concerned with the area or staying there for the night. There will most likely be plenty of other people camped in the area as well.

I think a smart thing to do would be to place our tents inside of a vehicle circle. I don't like the idea of peope bajaing through the area in the middle of the night drunk or high. A little Land Cruiser protection would stop someone from mowing down a tent.
There is no reason for us to NOT take safety precautions, especially if we have kids with us.

bomber22
10-17-2012, 10:10 PM
if there is anyone else up there,it will most likely be hunters. i don't think they will be out late at night if they want to get their game, but then again mabye they want to get away from their wives and say they are hunting.

Fishy
10-17-2012, 10:17 PM
I'm not worried about the hunters. For the most part, outdoorsman (and woman) are safe, responsible stewards of our public lands. It's the crazies who baja around at night high or drunk that make me nervous.

bomber22
10-18-2012, 12:13 AM
the wife and i might come up, what do we need to bring for food/refreshments, we won't be staying the night, although it would be fun, but i have to work sunday morning. fire wood? this could be a VERY SPOOKY RUN!

Fishy
10-18-2012, 12:27 AM
Extra wood is always welcome. Food is totally up to you. It's a potluck, so bring something everyone can enjoy.

I'll be bringing a Pork/Chicken Green Chili (Gluten Free) and chips, cheese, tortillas. I will have my grill as well. Everyone is welcome to throw something on there.

farnhamstj
10-21-2012, 11:39 AM
Thanks Stan for making this happen. Run was great. Food was excellent. 7 trucks in total.

BJTLC100
10-21-2012, 12:27 PM
Thanks for the warm welcome and great run everyone!

Gerdo
10-21-2012, 09:37 PM
Fishy
The more I think about what you encountered, the more I think about how you may have saved his life. I know that allowing someone into your rig, especially as disoriented as he was, could have been dangerous. BUT some of his disorientation could have been due to hypothermia. Allowing him to warm up in your rig could have saved his life.

Personally I give you an attaboy.

Fishy
10-21-2012, 09:49 PM
Fishy
The more I think about what you encountered, the more I think about how you may have saved his life. I know that allowing someone into your rig, especially as disoriented as he was, could have been dangerous. BUT some of his disorientation could have been due to hypothermia. Allowing him to warm up in your rig could have saved his life.

Personally I give you an attaboy.

I appreciate that, and you may be right. My wife feels like we were there for a reason. Who knows? Leaving the guy there was out of the question. We thought about what could have happened if we weren't right there at that exact time. He was already worn down, and he had about 5 or 6 miles to go still. (If he happened to walked in the right direction)

The sun was getting high enough that he probably would have warmed up even if we never showed up. But, the highs were only in the 40's that day. At that temperature and with the snow on the ground a mere slip or a twisted ankle may have ended his life.

I'm thankful we were there and I hope if meth was involved, this was a wake up call for him.

Glen
10-22-2012, 04:59 PM
x2 what Gerdo said. I think it's likely you saved this guys life. When people suffer from hypothermia they start feeling hot and actually start shedding jackets and clothes. That he didn't have a clear mind makes sense if his core temp was too low.

I wouldn't be surprised if they did something like wheel while drinking and didn't want anyone to find out about it. Hence the questionable information that folks were giving out. It would also help explain the rollover on a mild trail like Barbour Fork.

Thanks for relaying the story. Great story and good food for thought. With hindsight it would have been good to call the local authorities or 911 as soon as you felt things might be getting unsafe. It's pretty common for folks to think that we're bothering LEOs and that we should only make one phone call when we are seconds from something really bad but calling sooner and adding more information later if needed can really help prevent things from turning south.

Really glad everyone was OK, especially your family. Good for you for doing the right thing. The world would be a pretty bad place if people didn't help each other out. I stop and help people often on the trail and pavement. I've lost count but it's easily in the dozens of times and while I may run into a wacko someday I'm already proving the odds of running into a dangerous person is pretty low. There's been more than one time that I stopped to see if someone needed help to find a woman in tears, fearful of a creepo that might do harm. I like that I'm there to help out and be the good soul to help and protect.

I think you helping is something to be proud of. Your kids will likely remember and your courage can become their courage. What you learn from this also is a gift for them.

Good going man!