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MountainGoat
12-05-2012, 09:02 AM
The other day I noticed the tires on my wife's 4Runner were getting a little thin. They are BFG AT KOs 235/85-16s on her stock 2000 4Runner. I checked the mileage since we put them on ...

56,320. :eek:

She's getting a new set this afternoon. :D

I gotta say these tires gave us great bang for the buck. Stock size 265/70-16s are $245 each at Discount Tire. These 235s are only $166. Long live pizza cutters! Literally. :hill:

MTSN
12-05-2012, 09:10 AM
That's pretty awesome. I had a set of BFG AT KOs in 235/75/15 on my XJ long ago, and I think they had about 60k when I got rid of them. The crazy thing was I traded them in on some Mickey Thompson Baja Claws and the tire shop gave me $100 credit for the BFGs because they had enough tread to sell them as used tires! LOL

Fishy
12-05-2012, 09:51 AM
56,320. :eek:

She's getting a new set this afternoon. :D



I bet if you just got her that 100, they'd throw in some new BFG's ;)

I've been happy with mine. They don't look as cool as mud tires, but they ride fine, take me where I need to go and seem to be wearing well. They were pretty good in the snow last year, but maybe not as good as my GY's.

subzali
12-05-2012, 12:05 PM
I don't know if you want to turn this into a tire thread, but I think I'm done with my BFG A/Ts. They get louder as they wear, and I think the rubber compound gets harder as they wear so those last few thousandths take forever to go away. Hence you're riding forever on harder compound that doesn't grip as well.

I've also noticed in the winter that if you get into a sideways slide they will not correct the slide. I feel more stable in my FJ40 with a rear lockright and my Goodyear MT/Rs because as soon as I let off the gas with the FJ40 the sideways sliding stops and I go forward again. Not so with the BFGs.

Not sure what I'm going to go with on the next go-round, don't really need aggressive tires for the Tundra. I think I'm going Goodyear though.

AxleIke
12-05-2012, 02:19 PM
I dunno Matt, I'm not sure that is quite comparable. I wonder if power has something to do with it.

I base that on my two 4runners. In my old 87 (which did have the BFG's) it performed exactly as you describe for your 40. It would start to slip a bit, and I'd let off, and it was very easy to correct. In my 99, it kicks out and doesn't come back around, and that was with a set of nearly new yokohamas. Now, I haven't tried my MTR's

What I started to notice was that the gutless 22re was not able to kick out as fast, so I noticed it way before it got bad, where as the SC'd 3.4 is able to kick the rear end around much faster and by the time I react, there is more movement, and it doesn't come back around as nicely.

Both trucks have a very similar wheelbase, though the tire sizes were different.

That said, I agree with Matt that they seem to lose a lot of their grip as they wear down, and I haven't been running the BFG's on the new truck. I have read encouraging things on line about the duratracs. The MT/R's (new ones) are nice, but they are a bit loud and they are pricey. I may try a set of duratracs next go around just to compare.

Also, if we are turning this into a tire thread (sorry OP), for others, something to keep in mind is that aspect has a lot to do with it as well.

I had 33x12.50 BFG AT's on my runner (old), and that thing would lose grip on rainy wet roads. I switched to a 33 9.5 in the same tire, and it would hold the road really well in both wet and icy conditions.

Just food for thought.

60wag
12-05-2012, 02:50 PM
It think the weight of the truck plays a large role in tire life. I went through a set of BFG AT KOs on the 60 in 25k-30k miles. I went through a set of Cooper STTs on the 80 in 25k miles. I now have a fresh set of Duratraks that are great so far (1000 miles.)

All tires harden with age, some more so than others.

MountainGoat
12-05-2012, 03:27 PM
It's funny you guys mention the BFG automatic hardening feature. My wife just called me after getting the new tires mounted. Her exact words were, "It feels like my truck is stuck to the road. And the brakes work awesome. It's like I got a brake job, too!" :lmao:

She thought she needed brakes because the tires were so hard that the ABS would engage on a hard stop on dry pavement. :hill:

She's ready for winter now, though. Bring on the snow! (After Saturday's Gulches run, of course.) :thumb:

DaveInDenver
12-05-2012, 03:49 PM
I don't know if it's the compound is harder at the base of the tread or the rubber just hardens over time, but I notice this phenomenon, too. I'm a fan of the BFG A/T, but I think my next set will be Yokohama Geolander A/T-S. Crash has spoken highly of them in the past and now that I'm back on 30x9.5-15 I can actually get them.

wesintl
12-05-2012, 04:32 PM
It's funny you guys mention the BFG automatic hardening feature. My wife just called me after getting the new tires mounted. Her exact words were, "It feels like my truck is stuck to the road. And the brakes work awesome. It's like I got a brake job, too!" :lmao:

lol :thumb:

RedCreeper
12-05-2012, 05:05 PM
I dont think it was the tires. its that new car smell sensation. lmao I remember when i got new tires for the truck. it was boring. no more swinging around corners. hehe

AxleIke
12-05-2012, 05:43 PM
I don't know if it's the compound is harder at the base of the tread or the rubber just hardens over time, but I notice this phenomenon, too. I'm a fan of the BFG A/T, but I think my next set will be Yokohama Geolander A/T-S. Crash has spoken highly of them in the past and now that I'm back on 30x9.5-15 I can actually get them.

Crash likes those? Huh. That wasn't my experience with them.

That was the set I had on my 99 when I got it, and I couldn't get rid of them fast enough. Worst snow tire I've ever had. I had to drive at 20 miles an hour in fresh snow, not packed, to keep it on the road. On the ice they were just as scary.

However, that was in a 265/70, which is almost 11 inches wide. It may be better on the 9.5.

I will say that they were an amazing dry pavement tire. Couldn't believe how quiet they were. Very enjoyable from a comfort standpoint.

DaveInDenver
12-05-2012, 06:06 PM
Interesting, two trusted opinions. I dunno, probably shouldn't stray from ATs when I have no good reason. It's not like any move is imminent in the next year or two. Several rotations left in the shoes I got now.

AxleIke
12-06-2012, 10:00 AM
Well, worth a bit more research at least. Although, it might be totally different for your truck. The longer wheelbase and lower power of your truck may make a big difference.

This is a good thread. I'll try to update as this winter progresses and I run my MT/R's in the snow. Last year, I only just got the new tires, then broke my leg and couldn't drive a stick so the truck sat for 2 months, and it never really got a good test in nasty conditions on the hwy.

corsair23
12-06-2012, 12:36 PM
I don't know if it's the compound is harder at the base of the tread or the rubber just hardens over time, but I notice this phenomenon, too. I'm a fan of the BFG A/T, but I think my next set will be Yokohama Geolander A/T-S. Crash has spoken highly of them in the past and now that I'm back on 30x9.5-15 I can actually get them.

The :Princess: is running those on her 80...Picked them up from Tim when he took them off his Tacoma. I would agree with Isaac about them. They are nice good weather tires but I wasn't impressed with them at all last winter in the snow. I'm pretty sure they are the same 265/70 size that Isaac was running and although I wouldn't say they were the worst tire I've ever run in the snow, they were actually worse in the snow than the tires that I gave away when I swapped them on. My siped Toyo MTs are much better IMO in the snow. So, I had Discount tire sipe the Geolanders this summer. We'll see if that changes my opinion.

I think this thread definitely points out that tire selection can be very vehicle specific...What might work great on an 80 might not be so good on a 4Runner etc.

Rzeppa
12-09-2012, 02:25 PM
I have also gotten 50k out of a set of BFG A/Ts (235/75R15s on my '76 '40). I also got ~50k out of a set of siped 31x10.50x15 BFG M/Ts, but for whatever reason, when I stepped up to 33x10.50x15 my treadwear went way down, more like 40k. Not sure if that's first gen M/T versus the KMs or something to do with the size?

I really like the Goodyear Duratracs I put on my 60. They are really quiet for how aggressive the tread pattern is, stick like crazy and don't need siping. Hugh at Safari LTD. told me that the oil and gas guys are reporting 70k out of the Duratracs on their pickups around Rifle and Parachute.

The scariest tires in the snow were the bias ply tube type jeep service tires that came on my '71 '40. It took all of about 2 snow storms before those got ditched and I went to radials.

bomber22
12-10-2012, 10:50 AM
i've got the yokoama geolander at-s on my 2000 tundra, 265/75/16 load range D with 52k on them and about just under 1/2 tread left.i work at dia and drive the back road to the north side of the airport[east of 120th and tower],in the winter this road sometimes doesn't get plowed right away, either denver or adams county plows it, but road can get pretty bad. in any case I really like the tires hardly ever brake loose and feel comfortable at high speed. on dry and wet pavement and in the dirt I feel they stick very well to. I would buy these tires again in a heart beat. mabye the weight of the tundra over the mini's makes a differance.:thumb: