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OilHammer
02-26-2013, 09:31 AM
I'm a little surprised by the window tint in the 2003 100, in that it doesn't appear to be as dark as what was on my LX450. Maybe that one had customer added tint above and beyond, but I didn't think so.

So, I would like to add tint to keep from baking my face on the commute....any idea on how much you can add to the factory tint to keep from going over the 27% law? Any recommendations on a good shop in the Denver area?

Thanks!

Jacket
02-26-2013, 09:38 AM
Are you saying that your driver side window has a factory tint on it? I don't know that I've seen that before.

AxleIke
02-26-2013, 09:48 AM
My 99 has a "factory" tint, which is actually added at the dealership prior to sale. I checked it out with Jerry, and it was on the original sales ticket back in 99 as having "privacy glass" on the front windows. I love it.

That said, I've heard all sorts of differing stories on what is legal and what isn't, but I had 15% on all windows in my old runner, and never had an issue.

Two things I love about tint:
1. Cooler summer driving is a HUGE plus.
2. With my sunshade in, it is nearly impossible to see what is in the front seats clearly through the front windows. A small, but surprisingly effective theft deterrent from my reading on the interwebz.

OilHammer
02-26-2013, 09:49 AM
Yeah, pretty much all glass is factory tinted except for my 40. It's not "dark" by any means, but definitely not clear. I know it doesn't have aftermarket film, as it would be pointless to go that light. My beef is that I can see right through the back and beyond the other side. I couldn't do that on the LX450, so I guess he added tint all around on that one. I know he added it to the front, because it didn't match in color.
So....I need to tint every window in the 100.

60wag
02-26-2013, 10:32 AM
Just because you can see through it doesn't mean it's transparent to IR light. The stock glass has additives in it to help reflect IR heating. Adding an additional film to it may help a bit more but IMHO its more psychological than practical - if it's darker inside, you'll think its cooler which maybe is a good enough reason to add tint. I hate how fragile the stuff is, how hard it is to see out at night, and how some films distort the view through them.

nakman
02-26-2013, 10:41 AM
Barry there's a shop in the building next to Big Choice that did my 100, and I think they did a terrific job. I forget the name... but you can't beat the location. They matched the fronts to the back windows, and also did the windshield in some type of clear film that supposedly blocks 50% of the heat. I did it last fall so didn't have a full summer, but I really did notice a difference when driving around in the day.

Edit: the only nuance I've noticed is with polarized sunglasses, sometimes you can see a little rainbow when looking sideways through the windshield... doesn't impair driving though. Here's a pic:

euroford
02-26-2013, 11:18 AM
Barry there's a shop in the building next to Big Choice that did my 100, and I think they did a terrific job.

that is good info! :beer:

i have NEVER had a cop give me a problem about my blacked out windows. my advice is get whatever makes you happy.

nakman
02-26-2013, 12:05 PM
i have NEVER had a cop give me a problem about my blacked out windows. .

Me either, but it can happen. http://www.risingsun4x4club.org/forum2/showthread.php?t=18787

wesintl
02-26-2013, 12:08 PM
I dunno what the legal limit is but i had them match my 2 front windows to the rest of the side windows and and 4-6" clear bra only to the hood.. not the sides etc. for something like $150 for the quality stuff.

http://americanautoenhancement.com/

they are down broadway

corsair23
02-26-2013, 12:18 PM
I don't know what is on my LX but I doubt it is legal per se. I haven't been pulled over yet but I believe that if I get pulled over for something else that I'd likely get a ticket for the tint. As I recall if you have a certain level of tint on the rear windows then you can't have anything on the front.

I like the tint level during the day in the summer but I'm with Bruce that it is a PITA at night, especially when backing up. On many occasions I've put down the front windows when backing up at night so I could see better.

OilHammer
02-26-2013, 12:22 PM
Barry there's a shop in the building next to Big Choice that did my 100, and I think they did a terrific job. I forget the name... but you can't beat the location. They matched the fronts to the back windows, and also did the windshield in some type of clear film that supposedly blocks 50% of the heat. I did it last fall so didn't have a full summer, but I really did notice a difference when driving around in the day.

Edit: the only nuance I've noticed is with polarized sunglasses, sometimes you can see a little rainbow when looking sideways through the windshield... doesn't impair driving though. Here's a pic:

Ding ding! Sounds like a winner there. I frequently get caught up in Boulder anyway, so I just need to schedule it with them to start at 3:30. haha.
What did that run you? It's been over 24 years since I tinted a car, but back then it ran me $300.

But wait, they didn't tint the rear? Why does your early one look so much darker than my 03?

nakman
02-26-2013, 12:52 PM
was about $220, iirc... and darker tink just one of the many advatages of the early model years... i got a rear locker too :)

AxleIke
02-26-2013, 01:03 PM
Barry there's a shop in the building next to Big Choice that did my 100, and I think they did a terrific job. I forget the name... but you can't beat the location. They matched the fronts to the back windows, and also did the windshield in some type of clear film that supposedly blocks 50% of the heat. I did it last fall so didn't have a full summer, but I really did notice a difference when driving around in the day.

Edit: the only nuance I've noticed is with polarized sunglasses, sometimes you can see a little rainbow when looking sideways through the windshield... doesn't impair driving though. Here's a pic:

They did my old 4runner too. Great shop, but yeah, I can't remember the name either. Did a fantastic job that held up to a lot of abuse, and never bubbled.

Rzeppa
02-28-2013, 11:28 PM
I hate tinting and my AZ sourced 60 is tinted like crazy. I peeled the tinting off the driver's side window and now there's some filmy stuff (tech term) left behind. Not quite adhesive and resistant to everything I have tried to get it off. Any suggestions for making my windows clear again?

rover67
03-01-2013, 08:28 AM
I hate tinting and my AZ sourced 60 is tinted like crazy. I peeled the tinting off the driver's side window and now there's some filmy stuff (tech term) left behind. Not quite adhesive and resistant to everything I have tried to get it off. Any suggestions for making my windows clear again?

WD40? Dosen't that work on most sticky stuff?

Goo-Gone?

I just saw this on the internets after a search.. seems like a neat trick. A lot of folks talk about ammonia being the trick.

"Take a black Garbage bag, mix up amonia and water 50/50 in a spray bottle, wet one side of the black bag, wet the tint, stick the bag to the glass (wet to wet), let sit in the sun for about 30 min to 1 hour, then peel off the tint and use a cotton towel and the sprayer to wipe off the remaining adhesive."



I love tint. We sleep in the rig a lot and especially at night it keeps people from being able to see the shenanigans inside. It also makes life in general during the day a touch more private.

Mine on the 60 is finally starting to peel at the egdes.... so i'll be looking up the places above to re-do it.

OilHammer
03-01-2013, 09:13 AM
Razor blades are the easy way to remove it from all but the rear window. Don't use a razor on the defroster lines!
Use a quality scraper handle, brand new blade, and change the blade often. Obviously, if you nick the blade, it's going to scratch your glass, so don't do that!

After 10 years, my tint finally failed on my old Acura, and that's exactly what I did to get it off. It did take a couple hours, and lots of vacuuming later, but it worked just fine.

Rzeppa
03-01-2013, 08:24 PM
Let me reiterate:

I have peeled the tint off one window with a razor blade scraper and it left some kind of coating behind, not quite adhesive but kind of cloudy. My guess it used to be some kind of adhesive many decades of AZ sun ago.

The following has been tried and doesn't do a thing:

Razor blade scraper
Goo Gone
Window Cleaner
Ammonia
Paint Thinner
Acetone
Paint Stripper
Xylene

I have not tried power tools (like with a 3M wheel) nor have I tried inorganics such as HCl. I haven't tried steel wool nor have I tried sandpaper. I have not tried heat, as from a torch or heat gun. As far as organics, I have not tried toluene or gasoline, diesel, kerosene or alcohol.

farnhamstj
03-02-2013, 10:14 AM
my wife says to try these Mr clean eraser (http://www.walmart.com/ip/Mr.-Clean-Magic-Eraser-Original-Household-Cleaning-Pads-8-count/21998562?findingMethod=rr)

OilHammer
03-02-2013, 09:31 PM
Have you tried cleaning it with a ball peen hammer yet?

J Kimmel
03-03-2013, 08:51 AM
WD40? Dosen't that work on most sticky stuff?


"Take a black Garbage bag, mix up amonia and water 50/50 in a spray bottle, wet one side of the black bag, wet the tint, stick the bag to the glass (wet to wet), let sit in the sun for about 30 min to 1 hour, then peel off the tint and use a cotton towel and the sprayer to wipe off the remaining adhesive."






you'll want to use a razor to scrape off the goo, but this is the method I learned from a very good friend who tints for a living.

kurtnkegger
03-03-2013, 10:46 AM
Jeff, this might fall in to the paint stripper catagory...but I've had decent results using graffitti remover to soften some materials that other chemicals wouldn't touch (like concrete floor patch removal from a metal blade)

Rzeppa
03-04-2013, 06:05 PM
Have you tried cleaning it with a ball peen hammer yet?

:lmao:

The only mechanical method I have tried so far is wiping with chemicals such as goo gone and ammonia based window cleaner, and solvents.

:rolleyes:

Rzeppa
03-04-2013, 06:07 PM
you'll want to use a razor to scrape off the goo, but this is the method I learned from a very good friend who tints for a living.

The thing is, it isn't sticky, it is hard as a rock. Most likely from decades of Arizona sun and heat. That may well be why the usual methods mentioned on web sites have not done a thing.

Rzeppa
03-04-2013, 06:08 PM
Jeff, this might fall in to the paint stripper catagory...but I've had decent results using graffitti remover to soften some materials that other chemicals wouldn't touch (like concrete floor patch removal from a metal blade)

In the list of chemicals I tried were aircraft paint stripper. Didn't do a thing for the film that was left after I peeled the tint off, but....I can't remember :p:

corsair23
03-04-2013, 06:34 PM
Did you see Farham's suggestion? Those things seem to take off just about anything, including stuff you don't necessarily want taken off :hill:

Rzeppa
03-04-2013, 09:34 PM
Did you see Farham's suggestion? Those things seem to take off just about anything, including stuff you don't necessarily want taken off :hill:

I did, but I am unsure about using abrasives. There must be a better answer with chemistry?

bomber22
03-05-2013, 07:00 PM
i just did the front windows of the tundra, i used a heat gun to help loosen the film and the glue then used goof off and 0000 steel wool to clean the glue off then cleaned the windows as required with viniger/water mix and paper towel worked really well.

Rzeppa
03-05-2013, 07:29 PM
i just did the front windows of the tundra, i used a heat gun to help loosen the film and the glue then used goof off and 0000 steel wool to clean the glue off then cleaned the windows as required with viniger/water mix and paper towel worked really well.

Is goof off different than goo gone?

bomber22
03-05-2013, 10:26 PM
not sure, i bought the spray can type at home depot.

OilHammer
03-06-2013, 10:53 AM
Goof off I think is xylene, at least the old one was IIRC....and goo gone is citrus based with a little petroleum.
Xylene is far more toxic, probably causes cancer in lab rats, and therefore, actually works.

Rzeppa
03-07-2013, 06:33 PM
Goof off I think is xylene, at least the old one was IIRC....and goo gone is citrus based with a little petroleum.
Xylene is far more toxic, probably causes cancer in lab rats, and therefore, actually works.

Xylene was one of the organics I tried that didn't do anything. Anything that causes lab rat cancer is usually better than stuff that doesn't, but in this case I was disappointed. I have not tried toluene yet though.

SteveH
03-08-2013, 09:31 AM
I had '76 Ford pickup with the crispy, rock-hard window tint glue. I used a single edged razor blade and it took quite a while, but I got it off. Ammonia cleaned up the residue.

I'm sure it's possible, but I can't fathom an adhesive on glass that won't relent to a new, sharp single-edged razor blade, held at a narrow angle of incidence to the glass. Maybe a fairly aggressive scotchbrite pad would work, but you'd be risking scratching the glass with most of them. Maybe call a window-tint shop and ask what they use in worst-case scenarios?

Goof Off contains xylene, acetone, alcohols, and a mixture of various other solvents. This is why it works so well, but also why it eats into nearly any plastic on which it is spilled.

kurtnkegger
03-08-2013, 09:49 AM
What about good old fashioned steam? That may soften it up enough to scrape?

bomber22
03-08-2013, 07:54 PM
have you tried the method i did yet?

Rzeppa
03-09-2013, 06:41 PM
have you tried the method i did yet?

No, but the heat gun part of that might be a really good idea. I assume that this (as Steve described) rock-hard used-to-be adhesive might be softened with the heat. And Steve, I do have a straight-edge razor scraper which is what I used to get the original tint itself off, so maybe just being real patient and using a bunch of heat might be the answer.

Heck, maybe even a torch if used carefully? When I was trying to get the old weatherstrip off the doors of my 40 I tried all kinds of mechanical methods with varying degrees of success. When I finally got out the torch I just burned and melted it all off, not unlike old rubber suspension bushings.

Of course it has crossed my mind to simply take it to a window tint shop and pay someone to take it off....

J Kimmel
03-09-2013, 06:46 PM
and they will wet the windows down with 50/50 water and rubbing alcohol and put a black trash bag over it, let it bake in the sun for a couple hours and scrape away with a razor ;)

rover67
03-09-2013, 07:48 PM
Yeah, have you tried the trash bag trick yet? seems like it'd soften the hard as rock glue.

I mean it'll be warm in a few days again right? Give it a whirl.