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mozes
05-22-2013, 09:37 PM
Anyone planning a run this weekend? im itching to go but am new to area!!

Shotshell
05-23-2013, 06:23 AM
I'm wanting to go run through Slaughterhouse Gulch out by Baily on saturday. Possibly camp out saturday night?
I was wanting to gage interest. Anyone down to go?:dunno:

mozes
05-23-2013, 03:55 PM
I'm definitely interested!

baja1d
05-23-2013, 05:52 PM
Headed to red cone to camp tomorrow afternoon. Call if you want us to grab an extra camp spot 72o-987-42o2

Shotshell
05-23-2013, 08:32 PM
I'm not going to be able to do anything until saturday.

mozes
05-23-2013, 10:23 PM
Im looking for a day run either saturday or monday....

Shotshell
05-24-2013, 03:54 PM
Mozes, do you want to run through Slaughterhouse Gulch on Saturday?
PM me if you do.

Sleepy
05-24-2013, 05:33 PM
I'm thinking hard about it. Do you have a winch just in case and a CB to communicate?

Thanks,

Barry

Fishy
05-24-2013, 05:42 PM
You don't need a winch for Slaughterhouse unless someone gets really crazy and drives off the trail and down the mountain. Its a pretty mild trail.

Uncle Ben
05-24-2013, 05:52 PM
Tempted to try and open Jenny Creek on Sunday. Mild rigs need not apply....

Sleepy
05-25-2013, 01:52 PM
Uncle Ben, you still contemplating Jenny Creek on Sunday? Since today's trip fell through...

Uncle Ben
05-25-2013, 03:24 PM
Uncle Ben, you still contemplating Jenny Creek on Sunday? Since today's trip fell through...

Im still open. Crash showed interest too so Jenny choice for drifts and spring creek a possibility for crowds and rocks.

Sleepy
05-25-2013, 03:35 PM
I'm quite the chicken when the price of failure is death - so if there is snow on any of the ledges - I'll wimp out from Spring Creek. I like it once past those drops ;-)

How far away is Chinamans Gulch?

Uncle Ben
05-25-2013, 03:53 PM
I'm quite the chicken when the price of failure is death - so if there is snow on any of the ledges - I'll wimp out from Spring Creek. I like it once past those drops ;-)

How far away is Chinamans Gulch?

1.5 to 3 hours depending on when you go and where you leave from.

Shotshell
05-25-2013, 06:19 PM
:gaah:Gah! I wish I had better tires already....:banghead:

Shotshell
05-25-2013, 07:22 PM
Uncle Ben, you still contemplating Jenny Creek on Sunday? Since today's trip fell through...

LOL, I finally got my keys back...:o

baja1d
05-25-2013, 07:44 PM
Tempted to try and open Jenny Creek on Sunday. Mild rigs need not apply....

What about Monday? Gotta work tomorrow

Uncle Ben
05-25-2013, 08:31 PM
What about Monday? Gotta work tomorrow

Cant do Monday.

Sleepy
05-25-2013, 08:39 PM
Ok, so let's start working on times and locations. I don't think I have ever been there. How far from I25 and C470?

jps8460
05-26-2013, 12:28 AM
i'll check back later this morning. I might be into a jenny creek run....I'll judge my give-a-crap when we get to the hard parts. My guess is that it will be a little snowy. in which case we could do a left hand run.

rollins pass is probably about 1hr from that intersection, and another 40min to the jenny creek area during this season, just a guess from memory. depends on snow.

Sleepy
05-26-2013, 07:25 AM
Checking to see if a time has been selected.

jps8460
05-26-2013, 09:04 AM
You'll have to pardon me, I was drinking last night. I don't think there is any chance that jenny creek is passible (at least in my rig). We've gotten a whole lot of late snow. I would be open to a left-hand or switzerland run or open to other suggestions.

Sleepy
05-26-2013, 09:08 AM
I'm up for about anything that doesn't have cliffs and ledges. Started to head to Longwater Gulch yesterday, but wasn't comfortable running alone.

Shotshell
05-26-2013, 09:21 AM
I'm seriously considering Switzerland Trail this afternoon. Maybe meeting in boulder around 1:00?
I've got to get under the front of my truck this morning and try to figure out where this mysterious "clunk" sound is coming from.

I'm told a good meeting place in Boulder is The Starbucks at 3033 Arapahoe Avenue, Boulder, CO. This is also immediately next to a gas station, Moe's Bagels and King Soopers.

Any takers?

Fishy
05-26-2013, 09:31 AM
Just to throw a few suggestions out to you guys since it looks like you're looking for something a little more mild. Trying to follow Uncle Ben might prove more than you bargained for!

Metberry Gulch (better than Longwater and open all the way to the river)
You won't be alone. Mild trail with the only obstacles being Chicken Scratch Hill and Metberry Rock. There is an illegal bypass around Metberry Rock, please don't use it. You can also drive around on FS360 which is fun and scenic.

Slaughterhouse Gulch Not as scenic as Metberry but still fun.

Most trails below 9k feet should be open

jps8460
05-26-2013, 09:32 AM
shotshell, I noticed that you have a quote that says "i'd rather walk than drive 2wd stuff (something to that effect)" you do know that Switzerland trail is just a scenic joyride right? Don't get me wrong it's beautiful, but I've done it in my camry (a little rough though).

I'm trying to contact my wife to see when she will be off work. I think we could meet up at left-hand around 3:00 it might be a little crowded though.

shotshell do you need a hand with your rig? shoot me a PM with addy if you need some help. I'm decent with a wrench and have some spare time
.

Sleepy
05-26-2013, 09:34 AM
I'd do Metberry, Longwater, or Hacket Gulch (all 3 probably since it's the same range). Anyone up for that?

Sleepy
05-26-2013, 09:43 AM
Left Hand could be interesting too. I snapped an axle on Fireman's Hill years ago :-) However, that hill is closed now I understand.

Fishy
05-26-2013, 09:45 AM
Remember, Longwater and Hackett are closed at the Teller/Park County lines. Hackett is hard to tell where the closure is (top of big hill where the trail splits) Longwater has a post and cable. Metberry is the only trail open all the way to the river. Doing all three is possible, but depending on how close you are to leaving, you'll do the last one in the dark.

Have fun and be safe!

Shotshell
05-26-2013, 09:53 AM
shotshell, I noticed that you have a quote that says "i'd rather walk than drive 2wd stuff (something to that effect)" you do know that Switzerland trail is just a scenic joyride right? Don't get me wrong it's beautiful, but I've done it in my camry (a little rough though).

I'm trying to contact my wife to see when she will be off work. I think we could meet up at left-hand around 3:00 it might be a little crowded though.

shotshell do you need a hand with your rig? shoot me a PM with addy if you need some help. I'm decent with a wrench and have some spare time
.

My signature "I'd rather walk than drive anything that's 2WD." was born of excruciating frustration as a kid and adolescent when my family refused to purchase any kind of "useful and capable off-road vehicle". And in my trips to Colorado, I saw these guys driving kick a$$ off-road rigs, and I wanted to drive those trails so bad. SO my first vehicle I bought is the truck I have now. I made myself a promise, that I'd never be restrained to the pavement.
I know this might sound a little dramatic, but it's how I feel.

Now, right now I'm running on some worn out tires. So i'm a little hesitant to do anything too extreme. Just wait till I get a new set of tires on her, she's gonna tear Jenny creek a new one. :lmao:

Anyways, I appreciate the offer for help. I'm gonna get under there and drop the skid plates and check every nut and bolt I can find.
I'm really hoping it's just something loose and not something wrong in the front dif. If I can't seem to figure it out, I'll let you know. I was thinking of taking her to Slee and having them look at her.


So, I guess I'm up for anything that Sleepy had just mentioned.
If you guys decide on one, or several, this afternoon, let me know. Sleepy has my number.

Sleepy
05-26-2013, 09:54 AM
I'll go where others go. I'm not self sufficient as a rig yet. No winch, air, spare parts... So I like the safety in numbers :-)

Shotshell
05-26-2013, 09:55 AM
Remember, Longwater and Hackett are closed at the Teller/Park County lines. Hackett is hard to tell where the closure is (top of big hill where the trail splits) Longwater has a post and cable. Metberry is the only trail open all the way to the river. Doing all three is possible, but depending on how close you are to leaving, you'll do the last one in the dark.

Have fun and be safe!

Doing them in the dark? Sounds good. That's why I've got 10 lights on the truck. :lmao:

Shotshell
05-26-2013, 09:59 AM
I guess it sounds like Metberry is gonna be it than? I'm not really familiar with that area. Where could we all meet up at?

Also, I think it's worth noting that, if Google Earth is giving me the right place, it looks like Metberry is burned to a crisp. Yes?

Sleepy
05-26-2013, 10:02 AM
Fishy, JPS - either of you up for Metberry Gulch?

jps8460
05-26-2013, 10:09 AM
yep! when are we leaving/ meeting up. I would like to get back to denver by 6. wouldn't mind doing slaughterhouse if it's near metberry. I'm ready to go

Fishy
05-26-2013, 10:17 AM
I'll go where others go. I'm not self sufficient as a rig yet. No winch, air, spare parts... So I like the safety in numbers :-)

Doing them in the dark? Sounds good. That's why I've got 10 lights on the truck. :lmao:

At the risk of sounding like a douche.....

You guys seem enthusiastic and eager to get out. That's awesome! I'm not sure how many runs you've been on with Rising Sun, but the club always promotes safe, smart wheeling. You and your truck should be in good working order. You should always carry the necessary gear plus be prepared for survival in case of an emergency. Always know the rules of the area (what's closed/open), stay the trail, be able to communicate with others (cb or ham) and most of all, have fun.

No winch is fine, as long as you don't put yourself in a dangerous position to need one. No air is fine as long as you have a place to fill up after airing down. I used a 12v compressor in a bag before I had a Powertank. Know your truck and know the trail. There is no need to even air down for Switzerland Trail.

Clunks and bad tires are never a good idea. Bald tires equal spinning tires. That tears up the trail and destroys the terrain. Clunks before you go equals breakdowns when things get rough.

Again, I don't want to sound like I'm preaching, but people die from going out unprepared. I picked up a guy lost in the woods off Barbour Fork this past fall. He spent the night wondering around looking for a way out after rolling his mini truck. It was snowing and he was wearing a tshirt and jeans. He would not have survived another night.

I have learned so much from being a part of this club. Being safe, smart and prepared will ensure many more fun trips. Sorry for soap boxing.

If you haven't been to a meeting, or aren't yet club members, come check out what Rising Sun is all about! Don't forget, TLCA would love to have you as members too! http://www.tlca.org/
You'll be glad you did!

jps8460
05-26-2013, 10:19 AM
very good advise, thank you. I didn't think that sounded douchy at all.

Sleepy
05-26-2013, 10:31 AM
So Fishy, is that a no "your not going"? :-D

I completely understand where you are coming from. My truck is pretty capable. The other vehicles and skillsets with me determine how hard I can play.

There are tons of things I'd like to add. A flatbed with roll cage for one (why I didn't go to Moab). A winch, air, both are on the list.

With regard to survival, hear ya. Ever heard of "prepping" :-)

Shotshell
05-26-2013, 10:36 AM
Being prepared is definitely important. I always go as prepared as I can.
I think I found the issue with my "clunk" and tightened everything up. Hopefully that won't be an issue any longer.
And my tires are ok, just not for anything like Jenny creek or Mosquito Pass, etc.

So, what's the word? Where are we meeting at?

Sleepy
05-26-2013, 10:37 AM
I guess it sounds like Metberry is gonna be it than? I'm not really familiar with that area. Where could we all meet up at?

Also, I think it's worth noting that, if Google Earth is giving me the right place, it looks like Metberry is burned to a crisp. Yes?

Yes, it was part of the Hayman fire. It's still not very attractive at this point, but is growing back. There are more scenic places to go for sure. But the obstacles are pretty fun to not be hard to get through.

Sleepy
05-26-2013, 10:46 AM
Ok there is a place called Deckers that we could meet. It's basically a fishing shop in the middle of nowhere. See Deckers Colorado in a google search. There is no fuel there, so be topped before you leave any main roads. We could also meet at Crossroads on 285. That's where you take the road south to head down into that area.

My only concern is that it's been years since I've been there. I'm confident in getting us there - just not sure I'll remember the trails.

Fishy
05-26-2013, 10:56 AM
Fishy, JPS - either of you up for Metberry Gulch?

I'm working tonight and can't go. But, here's where we usually meet up.
https://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=CO-67+N&hl=en&sll=39.256814,-105.225248&sspn=0.016981,0.033088&geocode=FW73VgIdVl66-Q&mra=mr&t=m&z=15

Here's an article about the run we did this past winter (shameless plug)
http://www.tlca.org/trails/2013/0506/Rising_From_Ashes.shtml

You can air down at the start of FS360.

jps8460
05-26-2013, 11:00 AM
I have the wells book of the trails. We should get going soon though, we'll be getting home pretty late if we don take-off soon, I'm down with the deckers meetup.

does everyone have CB?

Sleepy
05-26-2013, 11:02 AM
The meeting place you mention is Deckers. That's exactly where I was talking about (without the map). It's 11:00 now. Can everyone make it to Deckers by 12:30? We will start with Metberry and see what time looks like for anything else. I'd rather not consume the whole day either.

Sleepy
05-26-2013, 11:03 AM
I have the wells book of the trails. We should get going soon though, we'll be getting home pretty late if we don take-off soon, I'm down with the deckers meetup.

does everyone have CB?

Yes, channel 19 to start and possible change at Deckers.

Fishy
05-26-2013, 11:05 AM
It takes me about 3 hours to get to the South Platte river at the far end of Metberry. That's from my house in Centennial near Parker/Arapahoe. From HR, subtract 20 minutes.
This is a popular camping weekend, so expect to see others already there or on the trail.

Deckers Store is right in the tiny town of Deckers at the "T" where CO67 and Deckers Rd meet. There is the Flies and Lies fly shop in the same little building. No gas, the store will have basic provisions. This time of the year they have GREAT ice cream too. Any of you coming from Evergreen/Conifer/Foothills would take 285 to Pine Valley Rd/CO126 and come in that way. Southsiders would take 25 South to Happy Canyon Rd, 85 to 67. Deckers store is almost exactly 40 miles from Evergreen or Centennial.
http://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=CO...ra=mr&t

jps8460
05-26-2013, 11:07 AM
I would't get there until about 1pm maybe a little later. Im up in westminster, need to get gas and pack some stuff. If we leave now and do both or all three we won't get homeuntill 6 or so, is that ok (as along as all goes well).

Sleepy
05-26-2013, 11:08 AM
Ok, meet at Deckers at 13:00 Hrs. WooHoo!

Fishy
05-26-2013, 11:09 AM
I would't get there until about 1pm maybe a little later. Im up in westminster, need to get gas and pack some stuff. If we leave now and do both or all three we won't get homeuntill 6 or so, is that ok (as along as all goes well).

Trust me, you will be hard pressed to just do Metberry and be home by 6. You're 4 hours from the bottom of Metberry right now......

jps8460
05-26-2013, 11:32 AM
wow, your right, I was just looking at the map, hadn't calculated it yet. Well, here goes.

Uncle Ben
05-26-2013, 05:55 PM
Got Rollins Pass drifts broke all the way to "the gatekeeper" drift on Jenny Creek! Broke drifts more than 3 miles past the furthest tracks! Epic!

baja1d
05-26-2013, 07:01 PM
Got Rollins Pass drifts broke all the way to "the gatekeeper" drift on Jenny Creek! Broke drifts more than 3 miles past the furthest tracks! Epic!

Nice work, wish I coulda been there

jps8460
05-26-2013, 08:06 PM
Being on a time crunch to make it back by 8, thanks to my wonderful wife for being so gracious. when I learned that my GPS had lead me an an hour out of the way of the trail head. I had no choice but to throw in the towel. Be sure to turn off at Divide.

To those I was meeting, I'm very sorry, I tried to make contact several times. Hopefuly you all found it and had a good time!

the coordinates in Well's book are correct, you just have to use a real map to find it. The "Roads of Colorado" book of maps makes it very clear.

When I arrived at the nice lady's house in BFE, I apoligized and she replied with "did your GPS lead you here?" yes mam, "it's ok, happens all the time, have a good day, ps if your looking for the gulchs trail you're about an hour away in the other direction."

So, guess I should have planned a little better. :) beautiful scenery down there though.

Overall still better than being at work.

Shotshell
05-26-2013, 09:38 PM
JPS8460, We did eventually find Hacket Gulch, and later, Metberry gulch. We had a very similar experience to yours. The GPS kept leading us to private property with locked gates. It was frustrating. Sorry we were never able to link up. It took forever to get to the coordinates you gave us. But I guess you never made it there either. So, all well. Maybe next time.

Anyways, we got to Hacket Gulch and decided to run down it, since we were there. About half way my front left drives shaft exploded out of my dif into a thousand pieces. Managed to tie it up out of the way enough to be able to get out. Sleepy had to pull me out part of the way because my 4WD wasn't working any longer.
It was all fun and games till that happened at about 6. Just made it home at 9:30.
So now, I've got to try and get this fixed ASAP.
I think this will be the 5th or 6th time i've had to replace either one or both front drive shafts. It's just incredible to me how easily all that seems to fall apart. Feeling very frustrated at the moment.

jps8460
05-26-2013, 10:13 PM
Give me a shout early tomorrow if you need some help. I'll pm you my number.
what is you rig? when you say drive shaft, I assume your talking about CV's?

Are you running really deep gears (4.88, 5.29)?

Do you have a gigantic lift?

Shotshell
05-27-2013, 09:57 AM
Give me a shout early tomorrow if you need some help. I'll pm you my number.
what is you rig? when you say drive shaft, I assume your talking about CV's?

Are you running really deep gears (4.88, 5.29)?

Do you have a gigantic lift?

'03 Tacoma, V6, Stock gears, 4" lift.

And yes, it's a CV. :(

Sleepy
05-27-2013, 10:40 AM
Ironically Shotshell, it was those same breaking CV's that caused me to swap to a solid axle front. There is supposed to be a company making stronger ones now - I'll try to find where that was since it would be much cheaper to get stronger CV's.

I'm happy, at least I got to climb Hacket Rock. Brings back tons of memories. When we finally got out, I realized the turn that I missed to get us back to the gulches without anybody trespassing :-)

At least people were trying to be helpful. I'm sure everyone coming up to your gate gets old...

All in all, it was a good day. I got to spend the whole day with my son.

Now to get a new microphone for my CB so someone can understand me.

Shotshell
05-27-2013, 10:49 AM
Sleepy,I love your rig. That thing rocks.

As soon as I got up this morning I started looking into solid front axle swaps. Turns out iI'm gonna be into it for ~$6000 if I go that route. Which mean it won't be happening any time soon. :( But I know that's what really needs to happen if I'm going to be serious about off-roading.

Thanks again for pulling me out of there yesterday.:D

Sleepy
05-27-2013, 11:29 AM
Thanks for the compliment. No problem getting out - we all go in, we all come out :-)

I hear you on the axle swap cost. To be honest, find a used 84-5 4runner and work up from there. It already has all of the basics you need and you can keep the milder truck for snow and work. All in hindsight :-)

Shotshell
05-28-2013, 07:47 PM
I may have figured out why my CV axle pulled out this weekend.
I got a new one installed today. And while I was under the truck checking it out, I noticed that the two bolts that attache the rear of my front differential were not just loose...but MISSING all together. So, Apparently when the company that installed my lift were installing it, they must have either not tightened them down properly and they vibrated loose, or the bolts were never reinstalled during the rebuild.
Anyways, looks like it definitely helped to cause the problem. That's probably my mysterious "clunk" sound as well.
Also, looks like the bracket that the differential bolts to got bent this weekend as well. So now that I have two new bolts from the dealership, I can't install them because I can't get the holes to align. And for some reason Toyota decided it would be a good idea to engineer the bracket to be installed with an 11 or 12 mm hex key bolt. :dunno:
So now I'm having to wait till I can find one of those.

Also, turns out that I crushed the case for the actuator on the back of the differential up against the frame. So now I've got to find a way to fix that. A new one is $350.00 Holy Crap!

What a mess.... :gaah:

Sleepy
05-29-2013, 07:50 PM
Here's an article about the run we did this past winter (shameless plug)
http://www.tlca.org/trails/2013/0506/Rising_From_Ashes.shtml

You can air down at the start of FS360.

So Fishy, is that your vehicle in the tlca article?

Fishy
05-29-2013, 08:00 PM
So Fishy, is that your vehicle in the tlca article?

It is....kind of. I've done a lot to it since then.
My wife saw the article and said "Your truck looked so blah back then". She's cool.

Shotshell
05-30-2013, 12:01 AM
Here's an article about the run we did this past winter (shameless plug)
http://www.tlca.org/trails/2013/0506/Rising_From_Ashes.shtml

You can air down at the start of FS360.


I read another thread that you posted, Fishy, about the annual "Run on the Gulches Run" or something along those lines. :D Is that still in the works for this year again?

Sleepy
05-30-2013, 09:24 AM
It is....kind of. I've done a lot to it since then.
My wife saw the article and said "Your truck looked so blah back then". She's cool.

I'm with her - it looks pretty good now. I was thinking that it basically looked stock in the pictures. It's amazing what resources (time and money) can do :-)

subzali
05-30-2013, 01:56 PM
Got Rollins Pass drifts broke all the way to "the gatekeeper" drift on Jenny Creek! Broke drifts more than 3 miles past the furthest tracks! Epic!

We got that far in April last year!