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mikeyhcrana
06-19-2013, 08:10 PM
The one I just bought. I just registered it yesterday. My wife took it to Water World today, where it was stolen. We all had to pile into my 1980 hilux to get home in my now only vehicle. Please keep an eye out.

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MDH33
06-19-2013, 08:13 PM
WTF! That sucks man! Old Toyotas seem to be high on the thieves list lately. :(

Corbet
06-19-2013, 09:06 PM
that sucks.:mad:

FJCDan
06-19-2013, 09:39 PM
What is going on. we sure have had alot of trucks stolen. Hope you can find it. Sounds like like you were targeted. Those are popular since it was the 1st gen 4runner with solid front axel.

DaveInDenver
06-19-2013, 10:05 PM
One is bad fortune, two is a coincidence, three seems like a trend. This is ridiculous, old Toyotas being targeted. Will watch out.

TIMZTOY
06-19-2013, 10:46 PM
I'm selling mine.
It's a p/u though. Price negotiable.
http://denver.craigslist.org/cto/3871989835.html

And my Lexus ls400 price also negotiable
http://denver.craigslist.org/cto/3880749134.html

Sorry for cheap plug.. But that sucks total donkey doo.
I'd be dead if mine was taken.

What area are most of these being stolen from ?

mikeyhcrana
06-20-2013, 10:10 AM
If I were targeted, I suppose it could have been most likely through this site. I didn't think posting pics of license plates on ones vehicle was so risky. It's easy to imagine the steps I could've taken to avoid this but, too late now. If your vehicle is posted about online and you haven't yet taken anti theft measures, I suggest you do it now because it hurts real bad getting violated like this.

teamextreme
06-20-2013, 02:08 PM
I'm sure it was just a case of bad luck and not any targeting thru the internet. If this was a highly mod'ed truck, maybe. Water World isn't in the nicest part of town and I'm sure thieves just troll thru the lot looking for something easy that they know they can get a few bucks for, your 4Runner fit the bill. Trucks like this are obviously popular to steal though because 1, they're easy to take, no modern anti-theft technology and 2, there is a large demand for them as well as demand for parts they could strip them for.

Any help from Water World security, parking lot camera footage, etc.? What did the cops say? Sucks all around and reminds me I need to add some anti-theft measures to my son's 4Runner before I give it back to him after all the work I'm doing to it.

Fishy
06-20-2013, 04:32 PM
If I were targeted, I suppose it could have been most likely through this site. I didn't think posting pics of license plates on ones vehicle was so risky. It's easy to imagine the steps I could've taken to avoid this but, too late now. If your vehicle is posted about online and you haven't yet taken anti theft measures, I suggest you do it now because it hurts real bad getting violated like this.

What would make you think that one of your 26 posts could lead someone to Water World to steal your truck? This sucks all the way around, but I don't see the connection of this site, your license plate and Water World.

Do you know how your truck was taken? Keys left inside? Window broken? Doors unlocked? Towed away?

mikeyhcrana
06-20-2013, 05:47 PM
What is going on. we sure have had alot of trucks stolen. Hope you can find it. Sounds like like you were targeted. Those are popular since it was the 1st gen 4runner with solid front axel.

I don't think I was targeted, just saying referring to this post, that if I were targeted, anybody else could be too, so we should all take precautions before its too late. Nothing would lead them to Water World that I have posted, they could've found my work or home and then followed it to WW. A long shot, I know.

Any help from Water World security, parking lot camera footage, etc.? What did the cops say? Sucks all around and reminds me I need to add some anti-theft measures to my son's 4Runner before I give it back to him after all the work I'm doing to it.

The police came to WW. I made a report. All the employees I talked to said they never had any vehicles stolen from there in their memory. They are going to review surveillance, supposedly, but they don't expect to find anything usefull unless they get a tag off a vehicle dropping the thief off.

Do you know how your truck was taken? Keys left inside? Window broken? Doors unlocked? Towed away?

Truck was locked. No broken glass anywhere. Jenni still has the keys so either they had one too, or they broke the ignition.

FWIW, if it were a scam, I'm more suspect of Craigslist and the alemeda & federal neighborhood I bought it in.

...and it really bums me out.

mikeyhcrana
06-20-2013, 05:56 PM
...and if you were a thief looking for something particular would not a local enthusiast forum be a good place for intell? And has said forum experienced other recent thefts?

I'm sorry, it doesn't feel very good to even have a doubt that it could be so, and I hate thinking that way. I'm just going to go back and try to resurrect the 89 with a good attitude.

breckrider60
06-20-2013, 11:16 PM
How long ago did you buy it? Maybe the previous owner kept a key and was just waiting for the right time places like waterworld and movie theaters attract theives because they know you will be distracted for a while.

mikeyhcrana
06-21-2013, 12:02 AM
I got a call from a guy who saw my stolen ad on Craig's. He found it at Metal Movers on I-25 & 58th. It's already partially dismantled sitting on a forklift. Going to recover tomorrow.

DaveInDenver
06-21-2013, 06:16 AM
How stripped was it? Seems to me if it was an opportunity theft for parts that they would be interested in good sheet metal, too. At least you know, some of the other guys never found their trucks. It's also curious to me that Metal Movers wouldn't have a VIN check for stolen vehicles similar to what pawn shops have to do.

Squishy!
06-21-2013, 07:48 PM
Huh look for my stolen truck too

Fishy
06-21-2013, 07:54 PM
Huh look for my stolen truck too

Justin.... It might be worth calling over there. Could be the same dudes doing the stealing and bringing them to that place.

thefatkid
06-21-2013, 07:55 PM
How stripped was it? Seems to me if it was an opportunity theft for parts that they would be interested in good sheet metal, too. At least you know, some of the other guys never found their trucks. It's also curious to me that Metal Movers wouldn't have a VIN check for stolen vehicles similar to what pawn shops have to do.

I know western metals will not let you scrap a vehicle without a title. A shady junk yard will always be shady.

Fishy
06-21-2013, 07:58 PM
I got a call from a guy who saw my stolen ad on Craig's. He found it at Metal Movers on I-25 & 58th. It's already partially dismantled sitting on a forklift. Going to recover tomorrow.

What did the police have to say about that?

mikeyhcrana
06-22-2013, 09:45 AM
The window was forced down. My driver window regulator that I got at the junk yard needed to be adjusted some more, I was in a hurry when I put it in. The thief just jammed a random toyota key in the ignition and forced it, it went. The key is still jammed in there. Then they just hopped on I-25, a few exits down.

Metal Movers have fradulent documents they were given. They are now victims too. When I showed up, I expected trouble, and I was upset to find my truck as it was. I can say this much for sure, they were very sympathetic, and helpfull. They did every thing I asked, to make it right. Including a free tow back to my shop lot.

I cannot imagine it would be possible for many to be as lucky as I was. If it were not for a very sharp guy name Charlie who scraps cars using Craigslist for leads, I would be out big time. This guy was at home browsing CL, when he saw my stolen ad, he goes all the way back to the yard, calls me, helps me ID it. I went and met him to say thank you. He has 3 very nice, drivable trucks fror sale under $1000 including one with a 454. and if anybody wants to get rid of a junk car, please use this guy. I got his phone number if anyone wants.

How stripped was it? Seems to me if it was an opportunity theft for parts that they would be interested in good sheet metal, too. At least you know, some of the other guys never found their trucks. It's also curious to me that Metal Movers wouldn't have a VIN check for stolen vehicles similar to what pawn shops have to do.

Just the axles completely stripped to get the diffs. Sawzall looks to have been the tool of choice, and all bearings and hardware was strewn in the dirt. The motor was left running, and a customer actually showed up to purchase it while i was waiting by my truck. No body damage, but after the motor was pulled, it was to be crushed before lunchtime. Nobody cared about the body.

Not much window of opprotunity to recover a stolen vehicle at a crusher. After a few days, one would be searching for parts. Like the huge warehouse they have, with really nice tires. I saw a full, nice set of BFG A/T's 33 12.5 15's, for example. Who scraps that?

What did the police have to say about that?

Basically, they told me to be very care full, and that I was very lucky.

Metal Movers has a huge facility and employs over 20 people. I assumed things were shady at first. I saw their entire facility while I was there, including the church inside where they have televised services, and their community food bank. The move a lot of cars and they move them quick, that is how it works down there. Nobody is perfect, and some mistakes seem like they have tragic outcomes, but people are more important then cars. It is easy to make assumptions about what happened, but they were all very professional to me, and they made it right. I would encourage anybody to go down there if they have parts or used tires for anything you need. They run an open business and it is a very learning expireince if nothing else.

mikeyhcrana
06-22-2013, 09:54 AM
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Squishy!
06-22-2013, 09:59 AM
How sad... I'm glad you got most of it back in one piece. What's left is just parts replacement.

Fishy
06-22-2013, 09:59 AM
Basically, they told me to be very care full, and that I was very lucky.

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Man.... that sucks to hear. I'm still confused on the scrapping part I guess. :confused:

You don't have to fill out paperwork and show some form of ID to scrap a vehicle? Whoever dropped the truck off just had some fake paperwork, and that's all? No leads from there? No video surveillance from the date and time the truck was dropped off?

mikeyhcrana
06-22-2013, 10:03 AM
How sad... I'm glad you got most of it back in one piece. What's left is just parts replacement.

I'm not sad. Please remember how lucky I am. Now I have a reason to build my axles first. I already have a 5.29 diff, and I was parting my 89 too, so i have parts. Also, I have to stress, Metal Movers made it worth my time. What is sad, is, think how many peoples beautiful Toyota's are crushed before they ever know?

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Squishy!
06-22-2013, 10:05 AM
That's mostly what makes me sad. That's probably where my truck ended up...

mikeyhcrana
06-22-2013, 10:06 AM
Man.... that sucks to hear. I'm still confused on the scrapping part I guess. :confused:

You don't have to fill out paperwork and show some form of ID to scrap a vehicle? Whoever dropped the truck off just had some fake paperwork, and that's all? No leads from there? No video surveillance from the date and time the truck was dropped off?

Yes, they have all of that. And I have agreed to cooperate prosecuting. I can't give details but common sense fills in most of the blanks.

DaveInDenver
06-22-2013, 10:06 AM
So the thieves went straight from Water World to Metal Movers? You'd think you'd at least need a title with a matching VIN. When you go in to register a truck and throw money at the DMV, God help you if the pile of paperwork has just one mistake. But try to fence a stolen truck, open arms, no questions asked.

mikeyhcrana
06-22-2013, 10:07 AM
That's mostly what makes me sad. That's probably where my truck ended up...

Me too. we've never met, but I seen your posts and I especially empathize now. I almost feel bad for coming out so well.

Squishy!
06-22-2013, 10:09 AM
Me too. we've never met, but I seen your posts and I especially empathize now. I almost feel bad for coming out so well.

Don't feel bad. I've got another rig and its all just stuff. It sucks but it has only made me more cautious.

mikeyhcrana
06-22-2013, 10:09 AM
So the thieves went straight from Water World to Metal Movers? You'd think you'd at least need a title with a matching VIN.

How about tires alone that could be sold for the price of wieght in scrap. or the brand new registration, on a scrapper? Or the $300 Odyssey battery?

Evrgrnmtnman
06-22-2013, 12:44 PM
I would get a attorney and sue Metal Movers for repairs and damages, sounds like they are liable! Just a thought

MountainGoat
06-22-2013, 02:38 PM
I would get a attorney and sue Metal Movers for repairs and damages, sounds like they are liable! Just a thought

And be sure to show him their website (emphasis provided by me):

"No tires and not running? No problem!
Sell Your Junk Car

Metal Movers will give you cash for your unwanted vehicles - no questions asked!

Call Metal Movers today 303-297-1818 and we will come out and pick up your car or truck for free! We do not turn any cars down, all vehicles accepted!" (http://www.metalmovers.net/colorado/metal-movers-in-colorado.html)

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Fishy
06-22-2013, 03:55 PM
Did it ever occur to anyone that Metal Movers might be soooo willing to help because they knew what they were doing was wrong/illegal? They accepted a stolen vehicle. A simple VIN search would have shown that A: the truck has been reported as stolen or B: The guy selling them the vehicle for scrap was not the actual owner.

Maybe this isn't the case at all, and there's more to this story than what's here. I have never scrapped a vehicle and don't know the "in's and outs" of that process, but there's got to be more than just driving a truck up to the counter and being handed a pile if cash.

Squishy!
06-22-2013, 05:12 PM
I stopped by there and there's no way anything from my truck would still be there and no one was willing to help me much at all in locating a VIN. super sketchy.

mikeyhcrana
06-23-2013, 07:10 AM
Did it ever occur to anyone that Metal Movers might be soooo willing to help because they knew what they were doing was wrong/illegal? They accepted a stolen vehicle. A simple VIN search would have shown that A: the truck has been reported as stolen or B: The guy selling them the vehicle for scrap was not the actual owner.

Bingo

Once you report a vehicle stolen, a simple check on this site confirms whether a vehicle is stolen or not. Mine was listed on there as soon as I made my report. It would be real easy to check VIN's before dismantling begins. That said, nobody's perfect, scrap is a very competitive business, and they did what I asked to fix the mistake. I wish everybody could get their cars back, but this is going to continue as long as people are desparate, and metal is worth more then paper.


https://www.colorado.gov/apps/dps/mvvs/public/entry.jsf

DaveInDenver
06-23-2013, 07:20 AM
Of course they bent over backwards to make you happy, they were caught redhanded receiving stolen property. I understand scrap being competitive but IMO there is a special place in hell for those who facilitate stuff like that. There is no excuse for it. They know that a lot of the vehicles they scrap are stolen and that's why they don't let them sit around. It also irks me that I bet the cops know what goes on but they do nothing about it. There aren't that many places that scrap cars.

mikeyhcrana
06-23-2013, 07:45 AM
Of course they bent over backwards to make you happy, they were caught redhanded receiving stolen property. I understand scrap being competitive but IMO there is a special place in hell for those who facilitate stuff like that. There is no excuse for it. They know that a lot of the vehicles they scrap are stolen and that's why they don't let them sit around. It also irks me that I bet the cops know what goes on but they do nothing about it. There aren't that many places that scrap cars.

I agree completely. The debate gets social & political from here.

It's the system. If police wanted to catch thieves, they could. I bet if I took my smart phone up and down the rows of cars at the pull yourself lots running VIN's, I could find stolen cars. Why couldn't a beat cop do that? Receiving stolen property is as bad as stealing, and it happened. How come the police aren't doing anything? I can't stop this myself.

Ownership is an illusion. All power flows from the end of a gun. The guy with the biggest gun owns everything because he could take anything. One only owns what he has the ability, and will to defend. As people, we have more power when we cooperate. We should be running VIN's when we see suspicious activity, or when buying parts from shady characters. Protect yourself, the ones you love, and each other, we cant expect to be protected by big brother in everything.

baja1d
06-23-2013, 09:28 AM
I'll touch some nerves here I'm sure... It's easy to blame cops, teachers, firemen, or any other public servant. The fact of the matter is that any "public service" job IS short staffed, under paid, and always asked to do more with less. People need to raise their kids right & be involved in their lives. Those that haven't reproduced ought to think about mentoring those that are less fortunate or have POS parents. Society & Politicians need to stop pointing fingers & accept some responsibility.... Don't get me started on video games. Thought I'd chime in on the turn that this thread is taking.

On a lighter note, I'm really glad that you got your RIG back Mike. I hope the that you get HER back to tip top shape & that SHE stays with you for a long, long time. I too think that the scrap yard got off too easy & that you should have your truck back to the way it was prior to the theft.

mikeyhcrana
06-23-2013, 11:30 AM
I'll touch some nerves here I'm sure... It's easy to blame cops, teachers, firemen, or any other public servant. The fact of the matter is that any "public service" job IS short staffed, under paid, and always asked to do more with less. People need to raise their kids right & be involved in their lives. Those that haven't reproduced ought to think about mentoring those that are less fortunate or have POS parents. Society & Politicians need to stop pointing fingers & accept some responsibility.... Don't get me started on video games. Thought I'd chime in on the turn that this thread is taking.

On a lighter note, I'm really glad that you got your RIG back Mike. I hope the that you get HER back to tip top shape & that SHE stays with you for a long, long time. I too think that the scrap yard got off too easy & that you should have your truck back to the way it was prior to the theft.

Thanks Travis.

Public service is our only option, and it's the best option, but public is us. I hope I did the best I could to shed some light on what is happening. The more we know the better we could fight. When someone's rig is stolen, we have to check these places ASAP. I got my truck back due to help from a complete stranger.

o2bin4lo
06-23-2013, 04:12 PM
Trying not to highjack this thread, I think we learned a lot from this unfortunate incident, but how about a thread/sticky on how to theft proof our rigs. Maybe it already exists.
Most of these things are crimes of opportunity so if we can impede the scum in their efforts by making it more difficult, taking more time to overcome the systems we could rest a bit easier. If the scum really want the rig they will take it, and short of claymore mines...
just my humble observations.

baja1d
06-23-2013, 09:44 PM
Trying not to highjack this thread, I think we learned a lot from this unfortunate incident, but how about a thread/sticky on how to theft proof our rigs. Maybe it already exists.
Most of these things are crimes of opportunity so if we can impede the scum in their efforts by making it more difficult, taking more time to overcome the systems we could rest a bit easier. If the scum really want the rig they will take it, and short of claymore mines...
just my humble observations.

Great idea for a thread