View Full Version : Red Cone July 20, 2013

07-20-2013, 10:06 PM
It turned out to be a fun run with beautiful weather. Started off a bit interesting as the Conoco was closed due to a fire or something inside, maybe a power outage. Noticed it was open on the way home.

While we were waiting for everyone to show up, many classic cars drove by us on their way to a car show in Bailey. It was nice to watch.

We hit the trail and started up. There was an area that had washed out and Sarah popped a bead on one of her tires. Doesn't look like it was damaged, so should be an easy fix. We replaced the tire and she drove out of the rut.

Then a motorcycle was trying to make its way around us and kept falling down. He ended up falling over and damaging Stan's front bumper with his feet. He was in over his head. He ended up going back down and waiting for us at the entrance to Webster pass to exchange info with Stan so he could take care of the damage.

We had lunch in the meadow under a bright sun and warm weather and then proceeded to the top. There was another dirt biker who seemed to be in over his head on the way up.

As you make your way out of the meadow and can go left for more challenging and right for easier, Stan heard a noise as he went through the challenging route. After making it to the top he noticed a clunk when he got up to above 10 mph. He was still driving ok so we wanted to see if we could get to pavement before we started working on his truck.

We came to the entrance to Webster and there was too much snow to make it through. Everyone wanted to skip the mess on I-70 so we grabbed pic and shovels and cleared enough snow to get by. Dave Kaiser spotted me through as I was the largest vehicle and that would mean everyone else could make it through

We returned to 285 via Webster

We then started looking at Stan's truck. I drove it a bit to check it out. It always made a clunk with the rotation of the tires. When you applied gas the torque would make the clunk louder. When you popped it into N, it would make the clunk softer, but not softer then in gear without gas.

We placed it up on jack stands and the front diff would move when you moved the tires. Didn't seem right to us. Stan removed the drive shaft and it still made the clunk. He then removed the drive flanges and the clunk went away. He was able to motor home at normal speed with the center diff locked.

We are not sure if the diff got loose (Has diff drop kit) or the front diff broke some teeth. The 100 series is known for a weak front diff gear, that's why many of us put in a front locker. The locker itself makes the diff very stout.

I know Stan feels beat down, but they guy who damaged is fender is going to fix it and he now has an excuse to install lockers and still has a drivable truck in the mean time

All in all a good day wheeling. I did forget my camera, so these pictures are from my iphone. I know there are better ones out there

I made some new friends in the club

We had 7 trucks
Sarah and Jacob in her 100
Dave Kaiser
Tom Bourne and his wife
Travis (Shotshell)
Stan (Fishy)

07-20-2013, 11:01 PM
It wasn't the most fun I've ever had. The dude on bike was cool for driving all the way around on Webster and waiting for me. He said he took down my plate info after I drove off. We had agreed to meet up at the meadow to exchange info, but he said he was too beat down to continue. He fell into my truck, then fell on the trail. I helped him up and back on the bike.... But he decided not to go on. It was a real stand up thing for him to do.

After changing Sarah's tire in the dirt, I thought I would have made a nice deposit in the Good Karma Bowl..... But my truck clearly disagreed. Thanks to Dan and Travis for helping me and Romer for following me home.

This is the 3rd time I've pulled a driveshaft and flanges on a 100 as a trail fix, but the first time on my own truck. The 100 drives VERY different in 2wd. It's a "10 and 2" operation at 50+ mph down the canyon.

I did my best Uncle Ben impression with the drive shaft for a picture. I think Travis has it. I call it "Ode to UB"

I'm still not happy..... I was beat down today and I'm not looking forward to spending that kind of $$.

07-20-2013, 11:18 PM
Sorry you had a poor day Stan. We enjoyed hanging with you

Here are a couple more pics to maybe brighten your day:D

You can see Dave Kaiser spotting Sarah through the snow. I know, poor iphone picture

07-21-2013, 09:27 AM
Father and daughter in the first shot...Mother and son in the second...

07-21-2013, 10:23 AM
I had a great time. This Run is one of my all time favorites.

I know that sickening feeling when something breaks on the trail. I hope Stan can get everything back together soon.:thumb:

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Mt. Of The Holy Cross, from Red Cone.
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Hard at work, for the benefit of all.:thumb:
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And here is Stan's "Ode To UB". Classic. :thumb::beer:

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07-21-2013, 10:43 AM
Yes this was a fun trip, All in all it was a great day. Alot of traffic on the trail. Big back up on that first washout. White j**p with 35's and looked like 50 psi in the tires. then are quick trail repair to get Sarah's tire changed. Great team work everyone. Sorry about your truck Stan, not a good day for fishy. Pic's as soon as I can get them uploaded, alog with GO Pro video.

07-21-2013, 10:44 AM
Thanks to Ken for organizing the run. Beautiful day!

The snow crew and supervisors.

A shot of Sarah navigating past the snow at the top of Webster.

Stan's fender :eek: Ouch! :(

07-21-2013, 11:01 AM
It's my ring and pinion that went. 100% sure now. That left side climb isn't overly difficult, but there are some really big rocks and I'm not sure what I could have done differently.

I was slow climbing over the large boulders at the top, I *think* what I did was hang up the rear a little, and when I added power to climb, the right front went in the air, ATRAC searched for power at the same time as the right front tire hit the next big rock and grabbed. I thought I heard plastic rip or snap. That was the pinion gear spinning.... The 35's I have coupled with the lower psi and big lugs of mud tires were just a little too much. They grab a little too well and unfortunately, the weak link in the 100 is the ring and pinion.

Pretty easy to figure out now, I was frustrated yesterday and didn't take a minute to think about what I needed to do to figure it out. Isolate the problem first which is what I did by pulling the drive shaft, then the flanges. Then work down the list of possibilities.

When I grab the tail flange of the differential and spin it, every rotation has a bind that I can get through by turning a little harder (that would be the broken teeth on the pinion gear) and at 4.1 turns of the flange, it totally binds up. That would be the broken teeth on the ring gear meeting the broken teeth on the pinion gear. 4.10 gears. That's where my break happened. Or, another way to think of it would be $700 for every turn of the pinion gear (insert crying face)

I'm going to drain the fluid today and see what I find, but I know what it's going to be..... teeth. It's a really bad time for this to happen.

07-21-2013, 11:07 AM
Thanks Dave for spotting us through the shelf on Webster Pass! I'm not a huge fan of shelf roads, and even less of a fan of shelf roads made narrower with snow and ice. It's good to have a familiar face out your front window that you can trust. Dave has a very trustworthy and friendly face! :D

07-21-2013, 11:48 AM
Ouch and ouch Stan! A motorcyclist's boot did that to your fender!? :eek:

07-21-2013, 11:56 AM
Ouch and ouch Stan! A motorcyclist's boot did that to your fender!? :eek:

Yeah.... I think he was in over his head and it was a rough ride. The trail seemed a bit rough to me too. A lot of loose talus and rock. I pulled over to let him pass and he got in the throttle and must have bounced off a rock and the bike just tossed him. I'm not sure why he wanted to throttle so hard through there? His bike and the heels of his boots smacked my fender and he hit the ground pretty hard. I jumped out to help because I though he was hurt. He fell a few more times trying to ride away. Just too much wrist twisting for that kind of terrain.

07-21-2013, 12:38 PM
Looks like a fun outing. Still have yet to do that trail.... Man I need to get up to the mountains...

Stan, sorry to here about the accident. Glad the guy was cool about it.

Jenny Cruiser
07-21-2013, 05:47 PM
What was the guy riding that he was having such a hard time on the trail?:confused:

07-22-2013, 07:41 PM
What was the guy riding that he was having such a hard time on the trail?:confused:

Honda 650, I think. Looked brand new. Also looked like it weighed a ton. :hill:

07-22-2013, 09:24 PM
^^Where's all those great pics?

07-24-2013, 11:25 AM
An XR650 is truly a handful on those boulders. AMHIK. A KDX220, not so much. Bah-RINGdingdingding...

Stan, sounds like a good opportunity to buy some pizza and have a club 'rebuild a 100 front diff' party. It's how I did my first R&P (for Squishy's truck) and I learned a lot.

And SAVED a lot too.

I have some tools (inch lb. torque wrench, press) you would need that you are welcome to borrow. Never done a 100 front diff but SOMEone has. Maybe even Squishy.

[edit] wish I could have gone along, looks like fun. Ah, well, too busy building a tack shed, running underground plumbing and wiring...