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Inukshuk
09-28-2013, 12:20 AM
What are some of the silliest product warning sayings you have heard or could suggest?

treerootCO
09-28-2013, 09:24 AM
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kurtnkegger
09-28-2013, 09:32 AM
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Keith
09-28-2013, 03:02 PM
Pretty much every product in your house says "Potentially harmful if swallowed. Contact a physician or a poison center immediately if ingested" or some similar variation. It's stupid because it says exactly that whether it is virtually harmless (diaper rash cream) or extremely deadly (antifreeze). If I was in charge, there'd be 3 different warning labels:

1. "This stuff is really pretty harmless. Unless a large amount is ingested, it's not likely to be an issue. If swallowed, and you are worried about it, call the poison center." This would be for stuff like lotion, silica gel, etc.

2. "This stuff could be harmful if swallowed or otherwise used inappropriately. If swallowed, please call the poison center." For stuff like cleaning agents, etc.

3. "This **** will kill you dead. Use extreme caution with use and do not leave it anywhere near children or pets. If swallowed, call your poison center immediately." For stuff like antifreeze, carb cleaner, rust removers with hydrofluoric acid, etc.

nuclearlemon
09-29-2013, 06:54 AM
3. "This **** will kill you dead. Use extreme caution with use and do not leave it anywhere near children or pets. If swallowed, call your poison center immediately." For stuff like antifreeze, carb cleaner, rust removers with hydrofluoric acid, etc.

antifreeze would have to be large quantity to kill you. the old timers way to figure out a leak was to taste it. if it was sweet it was antifreeze. still a lot of old time mechanics alive to tell the tale.

BritKLR
09-29-2013, 09:18 AM
antifreeze would have to be large quantity to kill you. the old timers way to figure out a leak was to taste it. if it was sweet it was antifreeze. still a lot of old time mechanics alive to tell the tale.

LOL.....the old sniff/taste test was still being used by the old time detectives to test cocaine in 87 when I came on. It changed to test kits by the late 80's, early 90's!

Keith
09-29-2013, 09:57 AM
antifreeze would have to be large quantity to kill you. the old timers way to figure out a leak was to taste it. if it was sweet it was antifreeze. still a lot of old time mechanics alive to tell the tale.

I wouldn't say a large quantity is necessary to be fatal, but a taste will definitely not kill you. For a toddler, a teaspoon or more can be enough to cause serious toxicity without treatment

Corbet
09-29-2013, 03:40 PM
Dog prescription warning label.

smslavin
09-29-2013, 07:31 PM
Dog prescription warning label.

:lmao:

that's awesome.

Fishy
09-29-2013, 09:38 PM
antifreeze would have to be large quantity to kill you. the old timers way to figure out a leak was to taste it. if it was sweet it was antifreeze. still a lot of old time mechanics alive to tell the tale.

That's the way my father taught me...... I was scared to death. He was helping me fix my first car (1979 vinyl top Mustang)

I was certain I was going to drop dead right on the spot. I prefer the sniff test over the finger dab on your tounge test now.

I think a child taking a large gulp would be EXTREMELY dangerous though. Same for pets and wild animals.

Shotshell
09-30-2013, 12:04 AM
That's the way my father taught me...... I was scared to death. He was helping me fix my first car (1979 vinyl top Mustang)

I was certain I was going to drop dead right on the spot. I prefer the sniff test over the finger dab on your tounge test now.

I think a child taking a large gulp would be EXTREMELY dangerous though. Same for pets and wild animals.

Folks back home in Texas use Anti-freeze to kill coyotes all the time. Just saying.

Also, when I was a kid, we had this cat, and she got into some anti-freeze somewhere. Ended up with severe neurological damage. It didn't end up killing her, but she always walked sideways after that. :o

nakman
09-30-2013, 10:09 AM
You can skip the speculation and just Google the MSDS and look for the LD50 value. Thanks in part to the Right to Know act, millions of animals have make the ultimate sacrifice to help you make more educated decisions, and what quantity/weight will kill half of the sampled population. This from Prestone...

ACUTE TOXICITY VALUES:
Ethylene Glycol:
LD50 Oral Rat: 4700 mg/kg
LD50 Skin Rabbit: 9530 mg/kg

Diethylene Glycol:
LD50 Oral Rat: 12,565 mg/kg
LD50 Skin Rabbit: 11,890 mg/kg

So with the presumption that your body is like a rat, and you weigh about 80kg (176.37 pounds) you'd need to ingest 4700*80= 376,000mg, or 13.26oz., to die about half the time.

For a 9kg kid of pet (20 pounds), the math works out to just under 1.5oz. Yes pretty serious.. :eek:

Keith
09-30-2013, 02:41 PM
OK, this is actually what I do for a living, so here's more than you wanted to know about antifreeze...

The problem with antifreeze is that it contains ethylene glycol (EG). Diethylene Glycol is found in some brake fluids and some manufactures put a little bit of it in their antifreeze. Methanol is found in windshield wiper fluids amongst other things. Some antifreezes do contain methanol but it's not very common. The concentration of EG in antifreeze is usually about 95%. For the sake of this conversation, we will assume antifreeze that is 95% EG and ignore the other components for the sake of simplicity.

The metabolites of EG cause kidney failure and metabolic acidosis (lowering your blood's pH). Either will kill you eventually without treatment, but the metabolic acidosis will kill you a lot more quickly, so that is usually the cause of death. If you survive the metabolic acidosis, you may live to experience the joys of needing dialysis 3 days a week for the rest of your life.

Now, as for an amount that will cause problems up to and including death. We usually worry about a blood concentration of > 25 mg/dl. Some examples:

For 95% EG in a 70 kg (154 lbs) person, that would be about 14 ml, or half an ounce. So, is tasting a drop off your finger going to be an issue? No. Is taking a swig from the gatorade bottle your redneck brother-in-law uses to store his antifreeze going to be an issue? Probably.

For 95% EG in a 10 kg (22 lbs) toddler or small dog, that would be about 2 ml (less than half a teaspoon). So, if a toddler licks it off his finger it's probably not going to be an issue, but if they drink it from a container or even slurp it off a garage floor, it's gonna be a big problem.

The good news: with prompt treatment (getting to an ER within about 6 hours of ingestion is usually sufficient) EG poisoning is rarely fatal. There are actually 2 antidotes available (good old ethanol being one) and with appropriate treatment, people are usually discharged in a few days with no permanent complications.

Important advice: Don't try to figure this stuff out on your own. If you have reason to believe you or anyone you know has ingested more than a taste of antifreeze, call your local poison center at 1-800-222-1222. If you think a pet is at risk, call the national animal poison center at 1-888-426-4435

Sorry for the thread drift...

nakman
09-30-2013, 03:09 PM
Very interesting, thanks! I've got some used anti-freeze on the garage floor in a milk jug, this motivated me to get rid of that. :thumb:

OilHammer
09-30-2013, 09:42 PM
Oddly enough, there is no warning label on the side of my .45 or 9 mil.
I'm surprised it isn't on the grips or permanently painted on the side of the barrel in white.
I fully expected, "While this device contains lead, it is not a pencil. Do not attempt to write your name with this device."

Inukshuk
09-30-2013, 10:46 PM
Folks back home in Texas use Anti-freeze to kill coyotes all the time. Just saying.

5 gal pail, peanut butter, antifreeze = mouse trap

too bad the critters can't read warning labels.

great contributions! None of them really work for the project I have, but great read!

Corbet
10-01-2013, 08:56 AM
Lets get this back on track...

Inukshuk
10-01-2013, 11:48 PM
Yikes!

BritKLR
10-04-2013, 09:53 AM
Here's your sign.....

http://www.travelchannel.com/interests/road-trips/photos/worlds-wackiest-road-signs?affiliate=blocker&omnisource=SEM&c1=Slideshow_Computer&c2=Outbrain&c3=Slideshow&c4=Worlds-Wackiest-Road-Signs

PabloCruise
10-04-2013, 02:06 PM
Very interesting, thanks! I've got some used anti-freeze on the garage floor in a milk jug, this motivated me to get rid of that. :thumb:

Me too. Parts store won't take it with the oil they recycle.

Where do you take yours?

PabloCruise
10-04-2013, 02:07 PM
Radiator cap on the 40, "KEEP THIS CAP CLOSED USUALLY"

DaveInDenver
10-04-2013, 02:36 PM
Me too. Parts store won't take it with the oil they recycle.

Where do you take yours?
Larimer County landfill, you can drop it off at the hazardous waste building.

http://www.larimer.org/solidwaste/hazardous_waste.htm

rover67
10-04-2013, 09:17 PM
Look it up but I read somewhere antifreeze was a flush down the toilet thing. May be totally off.

nakman
10-07-2013, 10:45 PM
found one.
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/05/20/4ajy9u8u.jpg

simps80
10-07-2013, 10:56 PM
Man thats a fast baby..check out the motion lines!!

AxleIke
10-08-2013, 08:28 AM
OK, this is actually what I do for a living, so here's more than you wanted to know about antifreeze...

The problem with antifreeze is that it contains ethylene glycol (EG). Diethylene Glycol is found in some brake fluids and some manufactures put a little bit of it in their antifreeze. Methanol is found in windshield wiper fluids amongst other things. Some antifreezes do contain methanol but it's not very common. The concentration of EG in antifreeze is usually about 95%. For the sake of this conversation, we will assume antifreeze that is 95% EG and ignore the other components for the sake of simplicity.

The metabolites of EG cause kidney failure and metabolic acidosis (lowering your blood's pH). Either will kill you eventually without treatment, but the metabolic acidosis will kill you a lot more quickly, so that is usually the cause of death. If you survive the metabolic acidosis, you may live to experience the joys of needing dialysis 3 days a week for the rest of your life.

Now, as for an amount that will cause problems up to and including death. We usually worry about a blood concentration of > 25 mg/dl. Some examples:

For 95% EG in a 70 kg (154 lbs) person, that would be about 14 ml, or half an ounce. So, is tasting a drop off your finger going to be an issue? No. Is taking a swig from the gatorade bottle your redneck brother-in-law uses to store his antifreeze going to be an issue? Probably.

For 95% EG in a 10 kg (22 lbs) toddler or small dog, that would be about 2 ml (less than half a teaspoon). So, if a toddler licks it off his finger it's probably not going to be an issue, but if they drink it from a container or even slurp it off a garage floor, it's gonna be a big problem.

The good news: with prompt treatment (getting to an ER within about 6 hours of ingestion is usually sufficient) EG poisoning is rarely fatal. There are actually 2 antidotes available (good old ethanol being one) and with appropriate treatment, people are usually discharged in a few days with no permanent complications.

Important advice: Don't try to figure this stuff out on your own. If you have reason to believe you or anyone you know has ingested more than a taste of antifreeze, call your local poison center at 1-800-222-1222. If you think a pet is at risk, call the national animal poison center at 1-888-426-4435

Sorry for the thread drift...

Alternatively, you can buy the propylene glycol antifreeze. Lower melting point and you can drink it.

AxleIke
10-08-2013, 08:30 AM
Best warning saying I ever saw was on on a Chain Saw:

"Do not attempt to stop chain with hands or genitals".

Now, you KNOW that someone must have tried both of those for it to make the warning label.

AxleIke
10-08-2013, 08:33 AM
Pretty much every product in your house says "Potentially harmful if swallowed. Contact a physician or a poison center immediately if ingested" or some similar variation. It's stupid because it says exactly that whether it is virtually harmless (diaper rash cream) or extremely deadly (antifreeze). If I was in charge, there'd be 3 different warning labels:

1. "This stuff is really pretty harmless. Unless a large amount is ingested, it's not likely to be an issue. If swallowed, and you are worried about it, call the poison center." This would be for stuff like lotion, silica gel, etc.

2. "This stuff could be harmful if swallowed or otherwise used inappropriately. If swallowed, please call the poison center." For stuff like cleaning agents, etc.

3. "This **** will kill you dead. Use extreme caution with use and do not leave it anywhere near children or pets. If swallowed, call your poison center immediately." For stuff like antifreeze, carb cleaner, rust removers with hydrofluoric acid, etc.

Agreed.

Problem is, you would go bankrupt from lawsuits. Turns out, we live in a country of idiots. Relying on someone to read a label let alone use common sense is going to get you sued, and possibly held criminally liable, depending on what you are selling. So, they have to put on the most dire warning they can, because it covers their rear ends.