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suprarx7nut
10-06-2013, 12:21 PM
Hey everyone! I'm just starting to poke around the site and was directed here by a member on ih8mud. I'm hoping you can offer some advice.

I've been enjoying a new (to me) 99 Cruiser for a month now and I'm looking for a trip this coming weekend somewhere interesting and accessible for a solo, stock 100 series with 285/75 (BFG AT's, effectively 33's) and a locked rear.

I'm looking for somewhere on National Forest land within a few hours of Denver so I can do a little target practice (.22 rifle) and hiking/picnic with the family.

Any suggestions? I'm not sure if this is the best section, so please redirect me if need be.

It's getting late in the season so I know some areas may be closing up for the year.

I did Gross Reservoir with a friend earlier this year and that fits my bill (mild trail, forest land open to shooting), but I'd love to explore new areas.

Thanks for any tips!

MDH33
10-06-2013, 01:51 PM
Don't forget that hunting season is in full swing.

Lots of closures up in the Boulder area due to the flooding. Wherever you go, make sure you are up to speed with shooting regulations regarding distance from roads and trails, proper targets, etc. And always clean up after yourself and use common sense and be safe.

MisledYouth
10-06-2013, 03:08 PM
I replied to your thread on 'Mud, but just in case...

I usually head up to Barbour Fork. It's close, but it is pretty popular, and is going to close in the next month or so. Takes off right out of Idaho Springs. Just make sure you find a hill or berm to shoot into.

Bill Moore Lake is another ok spot, just don't mess with all of the old mine buildings up there. A lot of them are active. Bill Moore takes off out of Empire.

Headed up 285 a bit yesterday, if you turn through Bailey and go a bit farther than Wellington lake, there are some good flat spots around there too.

I've also had some friends mention a spot outside of Pine Junction that is an actual range (free), but I've never been there.

suprarx7nut
10-06-2013, 10:01 PM
Don't forget that hunting season is in full swing.

Lots of closures up in the Boulder area due to the flooding. Wherever you go, make sure you are up to speed with shooting regulations regarding distance from roads and trails, proper targets, etc. And always clean up after yourself and use common sense and be safe.

Of course! I make a rule to clean up more than I left behind. My preferred target now is an auto-resetting metal plinking target. No mess left behind and no need to stop to reset targets. :)

I replied to your thread on 'Mud, but just in case...

I usually head up to Barbour Fork. It's close, but it is pretty popular, and is going to close in the next month or so. Takes off right out of Idaho Springs. Just make sure you find a hill or berm to shoot into.

Bill Moore Lake is another ok spot, just don't mess with all of the old mine buildings up there. A lot of them are active. Bill Moore takes off out of Empire.

Headed up 285 a bit yesterday, if you turn through Bailey and go a bit farther than Wellington lake, there are some good flat spots around there too.

I've also had some friends mention a spot outside of Pine Junction that is an actual range (free), but I've never been there.

I'm looking at Bordenville Gulches as well. Looks like a nice area near Terryall with some forest land.

I'm also a little concerned with the whole Govt shutdown business. Is it likely trails would be blocked off or off limits? I understand monuments and such could be closed, but I would think public land wouldn't "close". Then again never underestimate the senselessness of the fed. :/

MisledYouth
10-06-2013, 10:36 PM
Bill Moore and Barbour Fork should be perfect for .22 on steel.

Shotshell
10-12-2013, 11:29 AM
There's a shooting area out by Bailey. Doesn't take too long to get there from Denver.
Head out 285 toward Bailey. Just before you get to Bailey, there is a light where Co Rd 43A "T's" into 285. There's a gas station there ahead and to the right. Turn right at the light and follow Deer Creek Rd for approx. 6.7 miles where the road will "Y" with Deer Creek Rd going left and Co Rd 47/Clark Rd going right. Take Clark Rd to the right. Stay on the main paved road. (it will change names a couple of times) You'll end up being on Shelton Dr. Come to the intersection of Shelton and Neal Rd. Across and to the right there will be a building with a red tin roof. Take a right on Neal and there will be a pond directly besides the road on your left. Take a left right after the pond on Pike Nat. Forest Rd. 108. Follow this road through the woods till you come to a "Y", stay to the left. Continue until the road makes a hard "90" to the left and immediately "T's" into another dirt road. Take a right. You'll drive out through an open meadow and then back into some trees again where there is a turn off to your left. Take this to the left and you'll be at the shooting range.
It can be a little messy as most people don't clean up after themselves.:rant: But it's a safe place to shoot.

Also, if you go back out to where Deer Creek Rd and Clark Rd "Y" and continue down Deer Creek Rd all the way to the very end, there's a parking area and the trailhead to Mt. Rosalie.

Now, if you're looking for a good place to bounce around in the Cruiser and have a picnic, there's Slaughter Gulch out there as well. (You can't shoot there though)
To get there, go back out on Deer Creek Rd, and back just before it "Y"'s with Clark Rd, there's a road called Saddlestring Rd. Drive down this road a short piece and it will make a "90" to the left and then there's the entrance road to Slaughter Gulch on the right.

Have Fun. :D

suprarx7nut
10-14-2013, 10:05 PM
Well thanks all for the advice! I ended up in Rock Creek Hills and found a great spot for shooting that was very isolated and scenic.

I saw the 43A turn off mentioned above and also looked into Barbour Fork, Slaughter Gulch and Bill Moore. I've got plans for many more trips in the area and now I've got a handful of recommendations.

I was afraid of getting stuck or only making it partially through the aforementioned trails so I'll have to try those with a buddy at some point so I can at least get bailed out should I take a bad line. I also need some sliders before I get too daring with the princess hundy.

I'll keep an eye out on here for more good adventures. Wheel on, gents. :)

MisledYouth
10-14-2013, 10:09 PM
I took my mom's booooooone stock Xterra up Barbour Fork. Still has the steps attached. Any 100 would be fine. I'm close and would head up with you to give my SCAR a workout but this is my last week of freedom before surgery.

nakman
10-14-2013, 11:13 PM
The one thing with Barbour Fork is it has a seasonal gate... I believe the Clear Creek Ranger district keeps its status updated on their web site? The other two mentioned would only be closed by snow.. usually about the same time for Bill Moore, Slaughterhouse area can be off & on throughout the winter though.

suprarx7nut
11-03-2013, 09:59 PM
Zach, that's great to know about Barbour Fork being easy. I'm relatively new to the trail driving scene and it seems there's a HUGE variance in what is "difficult" and "moderate" depending on the author. I've been using the Funtrek's guides and TrailDamage and so far everything's been pretty easy for the 100, even if they rate it moderate to hard. I need to try out some harder terrain.

Nakman, thanks for the heads up. I ran into a situation today with ambiguous closures and it's made me realize some recon work before the trip online and over the phone can really pay off.

MisledYouth
11-03-2013, 11:59 PM
Had an old Marine buddy in town from Pennsylvania who had never seen the mountains. He's being transferred up to Rock Springs, Wyoming, so he detoured down to Denver. We ran up Leavenworth Creek today because he said he wanted some good views. There was snow almost the whole way, but we easily made it up to Waldorf right at the Argentine trail head. Did a tiny bit of shooting, got run off by the wind after an hour or so, picked up our brass and headed into town for buffalo burgers at Tommyknocker before quickly running up Barbour Fork. More snow on the trail than last weekend, but still easily passable up to the top meadow, which is dry once you break out of the trees. It used to close November 15th, but now stays open until December 1st. Not my favorite, but it's good when you need something convenient.

We ran pretty quickly, so I don't have any good wheeling pics, just our super hardcore reunion photo.

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richietherocket
11-04-2013, 01:28 PM
I was out exploring Pawnee Grasslands yesterday and there is a huge area for shooting inside the park (http://www.fs.usda.gov/wps/portal/fsinternet/!ut/p/c4/04_SB8K8xLLM9MSSzPy8xBz9CP0os3gjAwhwtDDw9_AI8zPyhQoY6BdkOyoCAGixyPg!/?ss=110210&navtype=BROWSEBYSUBJECT&cid=stelprdb5163234&navid=110000000000000&pnavid=null&position=Not%2520Yet%2520Determined.Html&ttype=detail&pname=Arapaho%2520&%2520Roosevelt%2520National%2520Forests%2520Pawnee%2520National%2520Grassland-%2520Recreation). It was off of CR 65 and 69. Tons of people out there shooting anywhere from .22, AR-15's, clay pigeons and handguns. You can setup your own targets and lots of little berm areas. They are also setting up a new shooting area off of CR63 and CR96 (http://www.denverpost.com/ci_23701219/work-begins-pawnee-national-grassland-shooting-range).

Very fun place to drive offroad, see some wildflie, shoot and make a day of it. Took about 2 hours from Littleton to get up there via I-25 and going through Carr back towards the NW entrance.

MDH33
11-04-2013, 02:52 PM
Moderators, I would vote to delete this thread. I feel its a very bad idea to promote shooting on our ohv trails. There are already enough trashed areas on the forest that are likely to be shut down. Lets not have the trails we work hard to keep open get turned into trashed shooting areas.

nakman
11-04-2013, 03:42 PM
Moderators, I would vote to delete this thread. I feel its a very bad idea to promote shooting on our ohv trails. There are already enough trashed areas on the forest that are likely to be shut down. Lets not have the trails we work hard to keep open get turned into trashed shooting areas.

I believe every poster on here has made a point to mention picking up after themselves, even picking up more than themselves... aren't we about promoting responsible use? How about move it to the hunting/fishing section though... I ain't a mod in these parts.

ianacole
11-04-2013, 03:45 PM
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Is that a SCAR and Osprey can?

suprarx7nut
11-04-2013, 05:37 PM
Moderators, I would vote to delete this thread. I feel its a very bad idea to promote shooting on our ohv trails. There are already enough trashed areas on the forest that are likely to be shut down. Lets not have the trails we work hard to keep open get turned into trashed shooting areas.

As another person stated, it's all about using the land responsibly. Plenty of people hate off road drivers for similar reasons you may frown upon shooters. They ruin trails, they drive off the trail ruining surrounding area, they're loud, obnoxious, they get stuck and cause problems, etc...

Our job as responsible land users is to do the things we like to do while maintaining the land and keeping it nice for those after us. That applies to shooting just the same as wheeling.

I'd encourage more people to take up responsible target practice in the national forest just as I'd encourage them to take up responsible off roading.

If you're being responsible with shooting you pick up your brass, shoot into safe backdrops, leave no trash (targets or otherwise), use biodegradable pigeons and such and stay away from trails or buildings. A responsible shooter will leave little evidence they were shooting.

Don't let the bad few represent the entire crowd.

MisledYouth
11-04-2013, 07:31 PM
Moderators, I would vote to delete this thread. I feel its a very bad idea to promote shooting on our ohv trails. There are already enough trashed areas on the forest that are likely to be shut down. Lets not have the trails we work hard to keep open get turned into trashed shooting areas.


We may as well delete all the trip reports while were at it. Some may argue that you enjoying the trail is leaving the area trashy. C'mon man. You're responsible when you're wheeling right? Well, not everyone is. I'm responsible when I'm shooting, but that doesn't mean everyone else is. All we can do, whether shooting or wheeling is to leave the area cleaner than you found it, and try to correct those using their vehicles or guns irresponsibly.


Also, it is, in fact, a SCAR 17 and a .45 Osprey on an FNP45 Tac. Gotta keep them skills sharp in case someone manages to fix up my neck and I can go back to work in the hot, dusty part of the world. They do not clean up their brass over there. :D

MDH33
11-05-2013, 08:21 AM
Let me start by saying that I'm a gun owner and I like to target shoot (at a shooting range) and I hunt in the National Forest. I also have a little experience working in the National Forest and have seen what popular shooting areas have turned into (garbage dumps) and I have seen how a lot of the public responds to target shooting on the Forest.

You guys are taking my comment personally and missing the point. What I am saying is that by being out there on busy trails shooting, regardless of how responsible and squeaky clean you are, you are advertising the location as a shooting range to everyone who passes by. Once that starts, the less responsible people will start showing up and bring along their refrigerators, TV's, car doors, exploding targets, etc.

In addition, the areas you are recommending are very busy areas for all sorts of recreation, including camping. There are few things that will upset people more than having someone start shooting near the areas they are recreating. It is also likely that depending on your proximity to others, you are shooting illegally.

I seem to remember Rising Sun had some discussions about target shooting on club runs some time ago. Maybe this discussion should be brought up again. Especially if threads advertising "OHV trails for target shooting" are going to be featured prominently on the forum.

bomber22
11-05-2013, 10:42 AM
i agree with martin.

nakman
11-05-2013, 10:58 AM
Martin thank you for bringing this up... as it's important to refresh ourselves on these issues from time to time, which often lead us even revisit our policies through intelligent discussions like this one. You bring up a good point about camping... I agree it's a bummer to camp next to someone who's plinking cans. Unless I'm doing the plinking, then it's a bummer to camp next to a lame quiet family.. which to me just validates our continuing mission here of promoting responsible shared use.



My recollection about prior discussions on club runs was more about open carry & concealed carry, less about target shooting. Our bylaws do a pretty good job clarifying our position.



Article VIII Safety

Section A. Requirements for Club Functions

1. Intoxicated or otherwise impaired persons shall not operate any vehicle at Club events or functions. Furthermore, the Club assumes no responsibility or liability for their care or actions by them that may result in accidents, losses, injury(s) or death while participating in a Club event or function.

2. Rising Sun is a 4WD club, not a gun club. We acknowledge that some members may have the legal right to carry concealed weapons. In these cases, the laws of the state supersede our bylaws, and our members may carry concealed weapons if they are legally authorized to do so. Members who have earned this privilege should keep their weapons concealed at all club events, unless a legitimate situation arises in which a firearm is needed. In all other regards, Rising Sun members should not bring firearms to club events. Open carry of firearms is expressly prohibited for all members in order to maintain a family friendly environment.

The point is, if you're going out shooting then it's not a club event. And if you're on a club run the expectation is we won't see any guns. Or beer, for that matter.


I'll ask the mods to move this to our hunting/fishing area, as it's more appropriate for there anyway.

bomber22
11-05-2013, 02:02 PM
I agree with nakman

JadeRunner
11-05-2013, 06:21 PM
I also agree with Tim's assessment and was going to suggest we move this to the hunting sub forum. I consider this a special interest topic as it relates to our Toyota 4x4 club. And as Tim pointed out in our bylaws shooting should not occur on our runs.

Fishy
11-05-2013, 07:17 PM
I also agree with Tim's assessment and was going to suggest we move this to the hunting sub forum. I consider this a special interest topic as it relates to our Toyota 4x4 club. And as Tim pointed out in our bylaws shooting should not occur on our runs.

That brings up another question.

Any member has the privilege of organizing a club run. Do we discourage members from posting up a "Does anyone want to go and let live rounds go downrange?" thread in the Upcoming Events section? We also have non-RS members that join us for club runs and post on the forum (all welcome and encouraged)...... Do we ask that they not organize events or look for shooting partners on the site? I don't really have an opinion either way on this. All I care about is that it's done safely and responsibly.

I thought I remember seeing one or two of those this summer?

And FWIW, MisleadYouth is a Marine and therefore a Brother of mine. Although I've never met him, I can assure you he cleaned up his brass and shot responsibly.

bomber22
11-06-2013, 01:32 AM
I have 2 or 3 drafts I was going to post, but It is like beating a dead horse.people are going to shoot/target practice wherever they want. please not on the trails listed before,the more other people see that they can shoot there the more brass that our club will have to pick up.I grew up in clear creek county[empire to be exact] and they would shoot at the old dump,meeting place for the bill moore lake run, not sure if you can shoot there any more. I can talk to my uncle and find out where he shoots, he lives in empire. just my 02 worth.:beer::beer:

Snowrun
11-06-2013, 09:36 AM
If you guys are just looking for a place to shoot. I am always up to taking a couple guys out to Colorado Rifle Club. The range has one of nicest 1000 yard ranges around. It is so much easier to shoot out there, and not have to worry about all of the rules,regs and hikers you have to worry about in the national forests.
I think the only things restricted is full-autos and 50BMG. (We have other places we shoot them)

PM me if you are interested and we can exchange contact info. That way we don't use the RS forum for arranging anything.

It would not be club sponsored event.

nakman
11-06-2013, 10:15 AM
I don't believe it's appropriate, or practical, to try to restrict what potential gatherings can and can not be posted up. People here meet up for breakfast, to go shopping, help each other move, just as often as they meet to wrench, wheel, or camp. Nothing wrong with that. The only line is, if the gathering involves guns, alcohol, or let's just say for the sake of discussion anything outside the scope of Toyota 4x4's, then it's not a "club event."

If I were to arrange a shooting expedition, I probably wouldn't post up about it... but that's because I already know who I'd want to go out with, already know where to go, and would likely coordinate that through email or phones, or even PM's here. Just like John did above ^^ I appreciate the discretion, and suspect the majority would agree that yes, that's the way to go.

However I could also see if I were new in town, new to the hobby, or new to Toyotas, then heck it would seem totally appropriate to try to make some new friends who share my same interests. And it is. And when that happens the ensuing posts that follow from folks making their case to pick up your trash, stay on the trail, respect other people, etc. are also completely appropriate, and welcome, and actually why we're all active here in the first place right?

I'm a obviously huge advocate of our site here, our club, and the contributions we are making in our community. I love Toyotas, like driving them, modding them, fixing them, buying and selling them, couldn't begin to list the amount of things to that end that I've learned from this group. Add to that list how I've learned to weld, how to cut tile, wire a house, jet a motorcycle carb, and configure a mail client- probably even a longer list than the Toyota stuff, all learned from the friends I've made here. This is also where I met the friends who taught me to shoot a handgun safely.

I appreciate everyone who's posted here, great discussion, and again just reminds me what a terrific group of folks we have here.

AimCOTaco
11-06-2013, 10:15 AM
That is a gracious offer! Gun folks are some of the best folks you'll meet and Toyota gun folks are in a class all their own.

suprarx7nut
11-06-2013, 11:54 AM
However I could also see if I were new in town, new to the hobby, or new to Toyotas, then heck it would seem totally appropriate to try to make some new friends who share my same interests. And it is. And when that happens the ensuing posts that follow from folks making their case to pick up your trash, stay on the trail, respect other people, etc. are also completely appropriate, and welcome, and actually why we're all active here in the first place right?

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I appreciate everyone who's posted here, great discussion, and again just reminds me what a terrific group of folks we have here.

Wow, good discussion once this got moved into hunting. My aim wasn't to talk so much about firearms, but here we are.

Nakman, well put. When I started this thread I had no intention of promoting a place for others to shoot near campers/recreators or turn a piece of forest into a dump. Conversely, I was looking to see what areas were around that would not create the problems listed above. Those here I would expect to be responsible and to have helpful tips to keep newcomers, like myself, in areas that are safe, shooter-friendly, and hopefully not trashed by anoyone; camper/shooter/off-roader/hunter.

For those discouraging gun talk or target practice places consider this:
Would you rather people go out and completely wing it? Would you rather people go on a random trail and wander until they find a spot they think might be a safe place to shoot? I wouldn't. I would much prefer to reach out to a community where folks can share what areas work well for target shooting and what areas do not. There are very few designated shooting areas published by the various forest areas (which is unfortunate), yet there are thousands of good spots and even more bad areas.

For reference, where I ended up going in the Rock Creek Hills trail network I didn't see a single other person/car within 5 miles or so. That for me, is the ideal place. Remote, safe, significant backdrop and somewhere we can enjoy our common interest; wheeling a Yota.

I wasn't aware of restrictions on "gun-runs" so that's good to know. Going forward I'll make sure I'm not portraying any kind of "club gun-run". I don't think this one was perceived as such, but please correct me if I'm wrong. :dunno:

Happy wheeling and responsible use. :thumb:

nakman
11-06-2013, 12:05 PM
Great stuff man, and happy to have you! Do you have a Supra, btw? twin turbo? :)

suprarx7nut
11-06-2013, 01:17 PM
Great stuff man, and happy to have you! Do you have a Supra, btw? twin turbo? :)

Supra, yes. Turbo, yes. 1990 7MGTE 3L turbo, 330k on the chassis/body/interior which needs some freshening, but the engine is relatively new/rebuilt. I made a complete wire harness a couple winters ago and rebuilt the engine a few years prior.

It's not a rocket ship like many of the modified newer Supras but it's still an absolute blast. After nearly 7 years it still makes me giddy every time I roar up the on-ramp. :)


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