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JadeRunner
12-28-2013, 09:27 AM
Let's do another one. I think we have it pretty well dialed in by now. The snow conditions for the run are a mystery at this point. Right now I figure the snow conditions are similar to last year where we made it all to the top of Yankee Hill.

Date: Saturday Jan. 25th, 2014
Meeting Time: 9:00 am - Leave at 9:30

Meeting Place: Cemetery area half mile above (west) of Central City-the normal spot. Meet for Pizza at Beau Jo's for pizza in Idaho Springs after the run. Around 4-5 pm.

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Will will air down and/or chain up (if your using chains) at the meeting place. Most elect to not use chains.

Larger built rigs with winches can leave ahead of the main group closer to 9am. This should be a fairly small group.

Difficulty - this run is open to everyone. You just may not get as far as some. The only requirement is to have hard points front and rear for strapping purposes and of course a strap ready to go. A shovel and additional recovery gear is recommended.

Be prepared to stay warm and dry with winter clothing and boots. It can be really cold and windy up there.

J Kimmel
12-28-2013, 10:29 AM
not sure if I can dress warm enough

baja1d
12-28-2013, 11:33 AM
Yeeee Ha!

Fishy
12-28-2013, 09:23 PM
Looks good for the Fishy Family to be there.

dr350jja
01-04-2014, 09:52 PM
Most elect to not use chains.

Why is that? Pros/Cons??

treerootCO
01-04-2014, 10:10 PM
Depends on the snow conditions. If you need to stay on top of deep snow, no need for chains. We have found that chains in deep snow dig the rig down to the point you are sitting on your frame.

Conditions? Looks good to me. I left the big drift for you Yoder

Last weekend:

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baja1d
01-04-2014, 10:11 PM
Why is that? Pros/Cons??


It's more fun without chains, sometimes there isn't enough snow for chains, & the best reason.... There's easily 10+ rigs available/willing to pull you out when you're stuck!

treerootCO
01-04-2014, 10:16 PM
Last weekend.... playground is open!!

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JadeRunner
01-05-2014, 09:20 AM
Nice work Mike. It looks like it's drifted in pretty good up there.

Chains are good for hard pack icy conditions and not as good for all the other conditions that we usually see. Plus as mentioned not near as fun.

dr350jja
01-05-2014, 10:42 AM
Depends on the snow conditions. If you need to stay on top of deep snow, no need for chains.

But to stay on 'top' of the snow, wouldn't it require floatation type tires? I can't picture skinny tires being on top of the snow.

treerootCO
01-05-2014, 11:21 AM
But to stay on 'top' of the snow, wouldn't it require floatation type tires? I can't picture skinny tires being on top of the snow.

My dad lead the run last weekend with his 40. He is running 33x10.5 BFG ATs and only once did he need a strap or a winch (he could have driven out of that as well but we opted for a winch just to be safe).

cbmontgo
01-05-2014, 05:20 PM
Is this a stocker-friendly trail in the summertime? Obviously different this time of year, but just curious...

Fishy
01-05-2014, 05:37 PM
Is this a stocker-friendly trail in the summertime? Obviously different this time of year, but just curious...

Yes

baja1d
01-11-2014, 05:31 PM
I'll be ready with the new MTR'shttp://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/01/12/je6a2unu.jpg

J Kimmel
01-11-2014, 05:47 PM
No 40?

baja1d
01-11-2014, 07:31 PM
No 40?


Doubt it. Haven't even looked at it since deciding to go for this promotion.

Uncle Ben
01-12-2014, 12:14 PM
Chains do exactly what they are designed to do, provide traction on icy or slick surfaces. That's all good if the snow will support the weight of your vehicle or it's shallow enough to keep you from getting high centered on packed snow. When busting drifts chains will get you very stuck very early on as they will destroy what ever crust in on the drift. Barefoot (no chains) and very low air pressure will make any tire (other than bald) float on most deep snow until forward progress is stopped. The true key is to not spin your tires after you stop forward progress and in fact most of the time if you let the snow gently stop you when you realize your not going to make it and reverse at the point of stopping you will most often back right back off for another try. If you spin after your stopped you will need a strap or some other way of resembling "soap on a rope." :thumb:

AxleIke
01-12-2014, 01:46 PM
But to stay on 'top' of the snow, wouldn't it require floatation type tires? I can't picture skinny tires being on top of the snow.

Chains do exactly what they are designed to do, provide traction on icy or slick surfaces. That's all good if the snow will support the weight of your vehicle or it's shallow enough to keep you from getting high centered on packed snow. When busting drifts chains will get you very stuck very early on as they will destroy what ever crust in on the drift. Barefoot (no chains) and very low air pressure will make any tire (other than bald) float on most deep snow until forward progress is stopped. The true key is to not spin your tires after you stop forward progress and in fact most of the time if you let the snow gently stop you when you realize your not going to make it and reverse at the point of stopping you will most often back right back off for another try. If you spin after your stopped you will need a strap or some other way of resembling "soap on a rope." :thumb:

UB hit this pretty well. But you are correct, skinny tires just don't go that well in the snow. I ran 33x9.50's for many years and I had to chain up when the snow was more shallow, when fat tired rigs rode on top. You don't need flotation tires, just a wide enough tire for your vehicles weight. For most toyotas, a 12.5 tire at 5 lbs of pressure will work pretty well.

If the snow is shallow enough, chains are awesome. You dig down to the very bottom layer, get tractions and ZOOM! you are outta there. But, if the snow is deep enough that you can hit the frame, or sometimes even just over the axles, chains just dig you down that much faster.

The key to snow wheeling is keeping the vehicle high enough to avoid "plowing". Once you are "plowing" the only thing that will get you through is enough momentum to bust through. If the drift is long enough, you often can't get going fast enough to push through.

I'm really looking at these, or some variation thereof, as a really fun addition to snow wheeling:

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AxleIke
01-12-2014, 01:47 PM
I'll be ready with the new MTR'shttp://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/01/12/je6a2unu.jpg

These are good on snow runs. I ran those in a 32 a few years ago, and had lots o traction.

Gerdo
01-14-2014, 02:05 PM
Wish I could. I have had fun in past years. I'll be out of town working.

MisledYouth
01-14-2014, 02:25 PM
I'd love to bring the 40, but I doubt it'll be done by then. If I CAN make it, I guess I'll have to settle for heated seats and a heater that works. Weeeeaaaaak.

treerootCO
01-16-2014, 07:59 AM
Here is a short clip of some wheeling on the same trail 1/1/2014.

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DHwreckage
01-19-2014, 10:09 PM
was just up at yankee hill friday night, so i broke the trail for you guys :cheers:! but ill be looking to make this run. need to break in the new cruiser more!

imhighlander
01-21-2014, 08:09 PM
Hope this isn't a thread jack but what is the lowest psi you can run on a stock, non-beadlock wheel? I'm in an 80 on 285/75/16 with the OEM wheels. Would love to try and make this run but am afraid of getting stuck. (Happened once on Kingston Peak in a wicked drift on the shelf road.)

MisledYouth
01-21-2014, 09:07 PM
Should be plenty of support there to help you get unstuck.

nakman
01-21-2014, 09:20 PM
Hope this isn't a thread jack but what is the lowest psi you can run on a stock, non-beadlock wheel? I'm in an 80 on 285/75/16 with the OEM wheels. Would love to try and make this run but am afraid of getting stuck. (Happened once on Kingston Peak in a wicked drift on the shelf road.)

I would suggest no lower than 15psi, and would probably stop at 17. It's possible to get a bit more traction going lower, but it's not worth the additional potential sidewall damage, IMO... remember there's pokey things down under that snow. Getting under 20 is going to get you pretty squishy as it is, staying towards the back should make sure you "make it" more often than not, and above all else make sure you've got solid recovery points front and back.

A great thing to do while airing down is just hook up a strap in back, put a shackle in the other side, then toss it inside through the hatch. That way should you need a tug in reverse, or should the guy behind you need a tug, you're already ready.

imhighlander
01-22-2014, 07:31 AM
Thanks, and sorry for another noob thread jack. I have stock bumpers and only have the tiedown points on the frame and a receiver hitch with a D-shackle plug. Is this adequate? Hopefully this spring I can weld up some "proper" recovery points to the frame. I'd love to upgrade bumpers but that's too spendy for me right now.

nakman
01-22-2014, 09:15 AM
Thanks, and sorry for another noob thread jack. I have stock bumpers and only have the tiedown points on the frame and a receiver hitch with a D-shackle plug. Is this adequate? Hopefully this spring I can weld up some "proper" recovery points to the frame. I'd love to upgrade bumpers but that's too spendy for me right now.

Yes you will be great. Your best recovery point is the receiver hitch, in fact you don't even need that shackle plug you can just slip the receiver pin through the loop on the strap- that's what I use whenever possible. In front, those loop things should be good, take a peek at them to make sure they don't look too rusty as yes, we had one of those break on a run last year. Definitely don't want to jolt the truck when using those.

When you upgrade, look for the URB- universal recovery bracket. I think Jonesy's sells them? they have a banner here... http://www.jonesysoffroad.com/toyota-land-cruiser-urbs/

or just get a Slee bumper :D. Either way it's worth upgrading your front points at some point, then you'll be ready for anything. And don't sweat the hijack! 4 other people probably had the same question, but were too shy to ask. this is why we have this forum. :cool:

imhighlander
01-22-2014, 12:46 PM
Sweet. Thanks again.

FJCDan
01-22-2014, 02:24 PM
Thanks, and sorry for another noob thread jack. I have stock bumpers and only have the tiedown points on the frame and a receiver hitch with a D-shackle plug. Is this adequate? Hopefully this spring I can weld up some "proper" recovery points to the frame. I'd love to upgrade bumpers but that's too spendy for me right now.

There are always plenty of veterans on this run so you can be positioned between those. As far as tire pressure I have 285 KM2's and I run as low as 10-12 psi and never had any issues. This is great run to learn what your truck will do in the snow. And by the way if you don't get stuck your not trying hard enough. Have fun I know I will.:)

imhighlander
01-22-2014, 08:37 PM
Good deal. Looks like I'm in!

Caribou Sandstorm
01-24-2014, 05:04 PM
See you all tomorrow! I picked up a set of TREDs from Christo today, incase anyone wants to try them out. Figured could be cheap insurance to blowing a 100 series diff...

Shotshell
01-24-2014, 05:25 PM
So work got canceled on Thursday. And I'm sorry, but I couldn't resist the temptation to go do a little pre-run recon in the fresh snow.

Got a couple pictures.

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Most of the way was nice with good traction in the fresh snow. But there were a few slick spots that were total ice. One in particular coming up to the big meadow. But with a little finagling I made it up ok. I didn't go past the big meadow. But somebody had already gone further up the trail early that morning.

Anyways, looks like it's going to be a lot of fun.
See you guys tomorrow. :thumb:

JadeRunner
01-24-2014, 05:39 PM
Looks good Travis. Thanks for the update.

I70 will be backed up pretty good Sat. morning. I suggest going up the canyon on HWY 6.

Beau Jo's called me today and said they had a administration problem with their liqueur license and may not be able to serve alcohol tomorrow. Too late it change the location though. They will supply free pitchers of soda's and tea.

I have my 4runner put back together and ready to roll. Installed new body mount bushings to replace my worn out ones and a 1\2 lift as an after thought.

The JadeRunner has been in the garage pretty much since hunting season so it's ready to get out.

Fishy
01-24-2014, 05:44 PM
I will be late. I coach kids basketball and we have a game tomorrow morning. I'll call in on 2M as I get close.

Any steering linkage issues with the .5" BL Scott? I had to add a steering spacer after doing the 1".

imhighlander
01-24-2014, 05:57 PM
Thanks for the pre-run, Travis. Very stoked about this. I'll see you guys at the cemetery around 9:00.

Matt

baja1d
01-24-2014, 06:37 PM
So bummed that I'm missing the first run of the year... Got study- one more week!

Fishy
01-25-2014, 07:27 AM
Avoid I-70 this morning. Just got these CDOT alerts on my phone.
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Heavy traffic is developing westbound I-70 from C-470 to US 40 Empire Jct.

Info: 511, cotrip.org or CDOT mobile app

Heavy traffic continues westbound I-70 Genesee to US 40 Empire Jct. Current travel time 45+ minutes.

nakman
01-25-2014, 07:52 AM
Have a great day everyone, be safe. I look forward to hearing all about it!

treerootCO
01-25-2014, 08:27 AM
Beautiful day for a snow run.

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Crash
01-25-2014, 09:27 AM
Beautiful day for a snow run.

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Funny! :lmao:

Shotshell
01-25-2014, 08:21 PM
Make no mistake. There was plenty of snow to go aroundů I shoveled most of it by day's endů lol
Fun run, good day.


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imhighlander
01-25-2014, 08:36 PM
Great run today. Thanks for letting me tag along. Looking forward to many more with you guys.

chillbill
01-25-2014, 09:31 PM
Awesome run today guys. I had a great time and learned a lot about my 4Runner. Thanks to Mike and Travis for helping me get through the tough stuff!!