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nakman
03-04-2014, 09:26 PM
Hey folks,

I'm starting to put together the materials for our Recovery Night meeting this year (April 2nd). Yes we're at Stevenson again on March 5th...

What do you want to cover? Given that this year we're only doing this for one meeting instead of two, I'm rolling Hi-Lift Jacks into the fold.. so feel free to call April Jack-It night, if that pleases you. I'm calling it recovery night.

Anyway, borrowing from last year's material our potential topics are:

- Hi Lift jacks- maintenance, use, storage.
- Spotting - basic hand signals, best practices
- Winching - basic tools, operation, best practices

Some new thoughts I had are:

- Vehicle prep - tires (air pressure), tools, spares, recovery points, etc.
- Fire extinguisher training (I think I could come up with 4 or 5 we could actually discharge).
- How to recover a rolled vehicle
- ????

So post up please... particularly if there's one area of interest you wish you knew a little more about and would like to join a discussion about. And better still, please post up if you're willing to lead one of these discussions.. I am willing to lead any one of the above (a little light on my rolled vehicle experience but I've got a month to work that in :eek:) but I can only lead one topic, so I need your help with the others. We can have any number of topics, again whatever our meeting attendees would like.

Looking forward to your comments/ideas, thanks. I will also mention this tomorrow night at our March meeting. :thumb:

Inukshuk
03-04-2014, 09:57 PM
I'm out. Thursday April 3rd I will be on my way to Moab for TLT and I thought this was about hangovers. :confuse2:

For that recovery, just have the skinny guy push with his fingertips. Works every time.

JadeRunner
03-04-2014, 10:40 PM
Sounds fun Tim. I believe you mean Wed. April 2nd. TLT is the next day so were good to go. Sounds like a good week.

BJTLC100
03-04-2014, 10:46 PM
I like your thoughts and line up for the demonstations, as were done last year, Tim! I am bringing my boys in April,( ages 17 and 14) to help get them get edjamacated on these finer details and nuances, as they begin their off roading experiences! I too, am more in a learning mode, as of yet, so I look forward to everyone's experiences and insights, and look forward to helping teach them in the future!

akingf5371
03-05-2014, 08:43 AM
Tim, what about how to build your own recovery kit? A list of necessities and also a list of nice to haves?

Inukshuk
03-05-2014, 08:47 AM
Sounds fun Tim. I believe you mean Wed. April 2nd. TLT is the next day so were good to go. Sounds like a good week.

I agree with you that he meant April 2. Just poking fun. ;)

CardinalFJ60
03-05-2014, 10:59 AM
I've been there...in my 40, and seen it many times. I'd love to learn the recovery thoughts with two wheels on the road, two off...by the width of a tire. but loose ground and steep incline make it precarious. These pics don't do the ditch, angle and loose gravel justice.

Burt88
03-05-2014, 11:02 AM
I've been trying to make it to my first meeting all winter and was about to make the drive today but this sounds like a better one to attend. It's just been a little hard to get there all the way from Aspen. If it's for sure on the 2nd of April I'll put it on my calender.

Corbet
03-05-2014, 01:05 PM
I will not be present but, how to rig a Hi-Lift for "winching" would be a good topic and cover and come-a-longs with that? If it was not done last year.

I can say from experience, do a couple winching sessions with your Hi-Lift and you'll be at the shop buying a winch real quick. But it does work.

Jacket
03-05-2014, 01:40 PM
I like Shawn's idea, and also in looking at Daniel's picture it could be nice to cover a scenario like how to recover a flop. Part of the fun would be picking someone's rig to rollover in the parking lot...;)

Edit: Now that I read Tim's original post, looks like flop recovery was already suggested. Good idea :)

subzali
03-05-2014, 03:23 PM
Ideas:

Dismantling a hi lift for storage or cleaning.

I have two extinguishers that could be given to the cause. Anybody have a small metal trash can?

imhighlander
03-05-2014, 03:26 PM
Tim, what about how to build your own recovery kit? A list of necessities and also a list of nice to haves?


This would be very helpful for this noob.

Firetacoma
03-05-2014, 04:59 PM
Some day I'm going to make a meeting and actually become a real life member of this club... The darn meetings just happen to fall on the same nights as fire training. Doh!

Anyways, for fire department extrication training we call wrecking yards and they will bring us cars to cut up for the price of the tow back and forth. It might be worth asking one or two if they would be willing to do something similar for the how to recover a flop training... Nothing beats real experience. If you go this route, ask if they'll empty the fluids before they bring it.

baja1d
03-05-2014, 05:01 PM
Hey folks,

I'm starting to put together the materials for our Recovery Night meeting this year (April 3rd). Yes we're at Stevenson again on March 5th...

What do you want to cover? Given that this year we're only doing this for one meeting instead of two, I'm rolling Hi-Lift Jacks into the fold.. so feel free to call April Jack-It night, if that pleases you. I'm calling it recovery night.

Anyway, borrowing from last year's material our potential topics are:

- Hi Lift jacks- maintenance, use, storage.
- Spotting - basic hand signals, best practices
- Winching - basic tools, operation, best practices

Some new thoughts I had are:

- Vehicle prep - tires (air pressure), tools, spares, recovery points, etc.
- Fire extinguisher training (I think I could come up with 4 or 5 we could actually discharge).
- How to recover a rolled vehicle
- ????

So post up please... particularly if there's one area of interest you wish you knew a little more about and would like to join a discussion about. And better still, please post up if you're willing to lead one of these discussions.. I am willing to lead any one of the above (a little light on my rolled vehicle experience but I've got a month to work that in :eek:) but I can only lead one topic, so I need your help with the others. We can have any number of topics, again whatever our meeting attendees would like.

Looking forward to your comments/ideas, thanks. I will also mention this tomorrow night at our March meeting. :thumb:


Please pass the info you gather along so that we can be consistent regarding the CM recovery class

baja1d
03-05-2014, 05:08 PM
PM sent

Caribou Sandstorm
03-05-2014, 07:06 PM
I have a pretty detailed slide deck from a few years back, I presented to the FJ Summit crowd. You can have it if you want any AV slides.

Inukshuk
03-05-2014, 10:42 PM
This one was "fun" too :eek:

Corbet
03-06-2014, 07:38 AM
You could hold many a class simply by just following that truck around. :rolleyes:

nakman
03-06-2014, 09:02 PM
Ok yes, April 2nd.. thanks all who continued to add value here despite the small typo. :)

nakman
03-06-2014, 09:03 PM
I have a pretty detailed slide deck from a few years back, I presented to the FJ Summit crowd. You can have it if you want any AV slides.

How about you present it? I'll provide the computer and big screen. :D

BJTLC100
03-07-2014, 01:18 PM
[QUOTE=nakman;247476]How about you present it? I'll provide the computer and big screen. :D[/QUOTE

If there is a presentation, I can also bring a projector we can plug your compter into, and medium sized (2'x3') screen to reflect it upon, drive-in-movie-style.

Who's bringing the popcorn?

Stubby
03-07-2014, 06:14 PM
Can we go over some skill sets that can help me recover my youth ... specifically my youthful lower back? :rant:

nattybumppo
03-07-2014, 08:00 PM
Can we go over some skill sets that can help me recover my youth ... specifically my youthful lower back? :rant:

No but I've been working on a hair recovery plan you may be interested in.

Fishy
03-07-2014, 10:22 PM
As a fellow hair loss recipient and the lucky winner of lower back surgery, this is right in my wheelhouse!

nakman
03-29-2014, 10:34 PM
Just bumping this up as this is happening this week!

treerootCO
03-30-2014, 11:23 AM
Here are a few good tips


Always hook up or in the safest direction if it breaks. I learned this from Nathaniel Miller. In the event the hook breaks, the force sends the hook and rope into the ground instead of into the air. The same applies if the hook is pointed left or right. I attach the hook the way I want it to break. Pointed at the ground or in the safest direction for example.
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Leave the generic tow ropes with metal hooks at home.
36562

Never use a trailer ball hitch as a recovery point (threaded into a 2" reciever using the pin through the fabric loop is fine). It doesn't make any sense but the forces involved will sheer the ball off turning it into a deadly projectile.
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Never saddle a dead horse!
36564

Replace worn or damaged straps, winch cable, etc. We tried to kill BVB this year with this strap. When it broke, it sounded like a gun shot and recoiled into the back window with an incredible amount of force
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treerootCO
03-30-2014, 11:28 AM
Great resources.

TM 5-725
Rigging
http://www.jatonkam35s.com/DeuceTechnicalManuals/Tm5-725-Rigging.pdf

and

FM 5.125
Rigging Techniques,
Procedures, and Applications
http://www.enlisted.info/field-manuals/fm-5-125-rigging-techniques-procedures-and-applications.shtml

treerootCO
03-30-2014, 02:38 PM
Static vs kinetic straps/rope.... use kinetic for pulling/yanking and static straps for winching


This was the day we tried to kill Dan and Kevin. Both trucks had their winches extended as far as they could go.

Keeping at least three wraps on the drum. One wrap across the bottom is even better.

We couldn't quite reach so we used a winch extension that wasn't very long. The winch extension shouldn't have had any stretch to it and we considered it static. Under full pull, the strap broke and recoiled both hooks under both cars.

Lesson learned? Don't winch with anything kinetic, even if you think it may not be. Only use static ropes, cables, extensions, etc.

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jps8460
04-02-2014, 01:45 PM
Bringing a friend Who is brand new to wheeling. I was too late and he bought a jeep. But he also has a rav 4 so I told him he was welcome ....be gentle. :)

MTSN
04-02-2014, 03:20 PM
I'll finally make it to my first meeting tonight :)

Stubby
04-03-2014, 11:26 PM
By the way guys ... I never did get any input on my request to learn about recovering my youth last night! And I heard nothing about your claim (Lars) that there would be some hair recovery techniques discussed too. WTF!!!