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Red_Chili
09-30-2005, 10:36 AM
WooHoo, finally heard back from Kevin McDermott with the Boulder Ranger District. Cool guy, reminds me of Brant in Clear Creek.

I locked in the date of a week from tomorrow, being October 8, Saturday. Kevin will need a ride (he is pretty unfamiliar with the trail itself, but Cat said we knew all the issues and knew what needed to be done - nice to build a good reputation). He will also need to stow a carsonite driver and tool box.

Now the bad news: I will not be able to make it. I need to help a friend who has never ever gone antelope hunting before, and has no idea how to field dress big game. That would not be a pleasant thing, having no idea. So I don't feel I can leave him on his own with his kids.:eek:

Soooo.... I need someone to step up to the plate and head up this work day. I did want to get it scheduled immediately, because we are close to snow flying and I DEFINITELY want to get work done on Jenny Creek this year.

Who will take the baton?

Red_Chili
09-30-2005, 10:37 AM
Oh, contact info for Kevin, who is in the office Tuesdays and Fridays:

303-541-2540 to confirm with him.

Uncle Ben
09-30-2005, 02:39 PM
Woo hoo! I have it on the calendar and have every intention of going. Being gone this whole weekend could stack unforseen stuff up on next weekend however. Saturdays totally suck for me too right now with 1 kid playing competitive soccer and the youngest in rec soccer. This is very important so I will make every attempt to keep it at the top of the list! :)

bh4rnnr
09-30-2005, 02:53 PM
Ya just had to make it next weekend didnt you :rolleyes: . That's when i'll be in Utah. Dang, next time.

Red_Chili
09-30-2005, 04:19 PM
Hmmm. You, and Ige, and ... Mayhaps I pulled the trigger on the day a bit early.

Well, I placed my bet, I'll let it ride on next Saturday unless NO one can pick up the baton.

So, if no one can do 10/8 but there is a lot of interest in 10/15, and you let me know via this thread over this weekend, I can call Kevin Tuesday and reschedule. But if about three someones can do 10/8, let's gitter done, because the snow flies SOON! Already FLYIN' in fact!

leiniesred
10-03-2005, 04:59 PM
My Mom is in town. I'm going to try to talk her into going up Jenny Creek in my little 4runner.

Also, I think a coworker might be able to bring his FJ80.

nuclearlemon
10-04-2005, 12:32 AM
10/15 works for me

Red_Chili
10-04-2005, 08:33 AM
Let's decide tomorrow at the meeting, if someone from the club can 'take point' on this Saturday, we'll leave it as it is. If not, we'll delay it a week.

Of course, we *could* do both! :cool: There's lotsa opportunities on that trail that we could knock out before snow flies too bad.

Red_Chili
10-06-2005, 09:19 AM
If no one is able to take point on this project and post on this thread by noon today, let's just bump it a week and I'll take point 10/15. Ige, we gotta get you familiar with JC, you'll love it. All them Outlaw Run types will be available too.


Kevin is not really familiar with the trail (hmmm, fairly typical in the Boulder Ranger District? We need to be educators. Waaaaay different than Clear Creek Ranger District, where Brant rides his ATV on all the roads and trails every stinking weekend it seems, I keep running into him. He KNOWS his routes, and works the sponsoring clubs well. CCRD hasn't been in as good of shape in a long time... if EVER. PROUD of that boy. Let's make Kevin into Brant Jr.).

Bobzooki
10-06-2005, 01:54 PM
Unfortunately, I could not possibly do the pick-up in Boulder, and manage the meeting with my guests, etc. The next weekend is much more managable (I think). Sorry.

Bob

Red_Chili
10-07-2005, 08:39 AM
Hey, no worries Bob. It was too much of a push all around.

EDITED: I think next week will work out better, Sunday 1/16 at 9:00 AM at the Rollinsville site, picking up Kevin. I left a message with his voice mail just now. I think that will put us at the trail head around 9:30 AM or so.
Here is a map of Jenny Creek that may help all players find the trailhead if they don't want to meet at Rollinsville-
http://www.4x4trails.net/db_view_trail.php?trailNum=69&PHPSESSID=3fb9fa6650ddb58a7c7bbe01a1dabe73

The yellow marked portion of the route is Rollins Pass Road, which is 2WD. Jenny Creek trailhead starts in red, and isn't hard to miss if you aren't keeping an eye out for the carsonite.

I look forward to seein' y'all up there!

in the 4x4trails page, it refers to snow necessitating taking a bypass, and suggests to treadlightly if you take it.

Oh ... my... *$%^$*&#&#

There are NO legal bypasses, and that is part of what we are going to close with carsonites. If you take a bypass, you are NOT treading lightly. Bypassing snow is a problem on the road, and one that may necessitate seasonal closure just to still have the road open. FYI and sermon mode off.

I sent the dude a tactful email.

[2nd edit] Not only was Scott really nice, he made the edits to the 4x4trails.net site within an hour of getting my email. Way to go, Scott! Good comments added on his page too. [/2nd edit]

Red_Chili
10-07-2005, 12:59 PM
I made edits to the time and place of meeting. Kevin had a conflict Saturday, so though Sundays are tough for me, I scheduled it the following Sunday weather permitting. Meet at Rollinsville, that should be easier for everyone to boot.

See ya there! Be one of the folks who does something about it!

Seldom Seen
10-07-2005, 01:21 PM
I'll be able to make this one, thanks bill for the hard work to making sure this goes off.

Red_Chili
10-10-2005, 08:37 AM
Well, as usual, Nature may have her way with us! But I say it's still on unless I hear otherwise; though we may find Jenny Creek instantly impassable now, we can certainly gander both ends and at least carsonite the very illegal routes at the beginning that folks have created off the main road downgrade to the 4x4 road. Plus, we can review the condition of the mud bogs and maybe do some carsoniting there too. If it's *real* deep, even Rollins Pass Road will be a hoot!

SnowRun, SnowRun,
SnowRun, SnowRun,
SnowRun, SnowRun,
SnowRun, SnowRun,
SnowRun, SnowRun,
SnowRun, SnowRun, ....

Bobzooki
10-10-2005, 10:03 AM
OK, so as you know by now, I live pretty close to Rollinsville.
We got a lot of snow last night - I'm guessing almost 10 inches on my deck of wet heavy stuff. SO - It's looking like this may be very interesting.

I can buzz up there on Thursday, after work, and see how it's looking, and post up here on Friday. I guess I'll run it "bottom up" (the opposite direction from Chuck Wells's book).

Uncle Ben
10-10-2005, 10:13 AM
Well, as usual, Nature may have her way with us! But I say it's still on unless I hear otherwise; though we may find Jenny Creek instantly impassable now, we can certainly gander both ends and at least carsonite the very illegal routes at the beginning that folks have created off the main road downgrade to the 4x4 road. Plus, we can review the condition of the mud bogs and maybe do some carsoniting there too. If it's *real* deep, even Rollins Pass Road will be a hoot!

SnowRun, SnowRun,
SnowRun, SnowRun,
SnowRun, SnowRun,
SnowRun, SnowRun,
SnowRun, SnowRun,
SnowRun, SnowRun, ....

I'm in on this one! Do I need to bring any tools/equipment?

Bobzooki
10-10-2005, 11:01 AM
OH NO!!!

I just realized that next Sunday, I am getting my hair cut off - donating it to Locks of Love www.locksoflove.org

So much for Jenny Creek... This is a coordinated event, with my hair cutter stopping between Wyoming, and Colorado Springs, at the home of a friend in Parker...

:(

Red_Chili
10-10-2005, 01:54 PM
Tell ya what, Bob- give us a recon run and we'll chalk you up as having been there!

Seriously, that would be a bigtime contribution. Let us know if it's even passable. If not... looks like my wife can fill up my weekend schedule. I bet it will be though, at least at the ends.

Red_Chili
10-10-2005, 01:56 PM
I'm in on this one! Do I need to bring any tools/equipment? Certainly a shovel and winch! Beyond that, I think a hardhat if you have one (the USFS supplies them though), gloves, good boots, you know, the regular stuff. Mebbe a pick in case the ground is frozen.

Red_Chili
10-13-2005, 05:08 PM
Hey Bob, got a status or conditions report for Rollins Pass? I'd like to confirm or cancel tomorrow (Friday) with the Boulder RD for Sunday's work day. If there's three feet of snow there's no sense in wearing everyone out.

Let us know when you can!

Uncle Ben
10-13-2005, 10:11 PM
Bill et al, It still looks good that I'll make it Sunday. I will bring my ATV, bar (steel kind), chain saw(s), shovels, pics and whatever else catches my eye when I'm loading up. Think of somthin' post it...I probably have it... :eek:

nuclearlemon
10-13-2005, 11:47 PM
woohooo....sunday!!! i can make sunday. i'll bring my shovels, gloves, i can bring a chainsaw too if necessary, but don't know that we'll need more than one.

Bobzooki
10-14-2005, 08:53 AM
woohooo....sunday!!! i can make sunday. i'll bring my shovels, gloves, i can bring a chainsaw too if necessary, but don't know that we'll need more than one.

Oh, yeah! A saw will be a big plus!

The storm dropped several trees, some of them on the road, and one of them, on Jenny Creek Trail, that is very bad-mannered!

Red_Chili
10-14-2005, 09:41 AM
Just talked to Kevin. It's on. Removing fallen trees is well within the purview of trail maintenance; also, it keeps people from making new routes and keeps them on the trail.

Let's rock-n-roll, ladies and gentlemen.

Bring a hardhat if you got one, and eye protection. Also a chainsaw and premix if you gots that. I have a nifty arborist hardhat/face screen/ear protection rig. I also have a pole saw (the gas powered kind, not the arm-ripping hard kind).

Sunday, 9AM, Rollinsville, be there or be square. Jeff, pry yerseff outa that bed.

Bring sunscreen too, it's likely to be warm and high-UV Sunday with all that reflective surface.

leiniesred
10-14-2005, 11:06 PM
hardhat = CHECK!
Can't wait!

Hey should we move this to "Trip Planning?"
There is a chance that not everyone checks the land use forum.

bh4rnnr
10-15-2005, 09:38 AM
Cant make this one, sorry. To many things to do around the house.

Uncle Ben
10-15-2005, 03:22 PM
Just talked to Kevin. It's on. Removing fallen trees is well within the purview of trail maintenance; also, it keeps people from making new routes and keeps them on the trail.

Let's rock-n-roll, ladies and gentlemen.

Bring a hardhat if you got one, and eye protection. Also a chainsaw and premix if you gots that. I have a nifty arborist hardhat/face screen/ear protection rig. I also have a pole saw (the gas powered kind, not the arm-ripping hard kind).

Sunday, 9AM, Rollinsville, be there or be square. Jeff, pry yerseff outa that bed.

Bring sunscreen too, it's likely to be warm and high-UV Sunday with all that reflective surface.


Bill,
Does Kevin still need a ride?

Uncle Ben
10-16-2005, 09:40 PM
Great day today! We were able to start at Yankee Doodle Lake and close routes and carsonite the entire trail! Long day but a good one! Ranger Kevin is a great person to work with! It will be interesting to see what worked and what didn't come next spring. :rolleyes: Thanks Bill for getting this set up! :)

Red_Chili
10-17-2005, 09:30 AM
Well, I'm real proud to be associated with y'all. We had a great turnout and got a BUNCH done. It feels good to be back at work and catch up on my rest time...;)

Pix to come, but all in all we took care of some sore spots on the road. We also kept Ige from rolling. Twice. Barely.

The section of trail that goes in the creek turns out to be on private property, so the reroute will not be that simple. The BRD is pursuing it with the landowner (as soon as they figure out who that is), but we did identify some alternatives that could keep the trail out of the water AND on public land. More to come.

We signed the creek crossing, reducing the confusion there. We also closed off some unauthorized routes near the mud bog by Yankee Doodle, and again at the SE end of the trail where folks made their own route down the side of the hill. In fact, we were more aggressive at closing stuff than Ranger Kevin was quite comfortable with! :D I learned one thing, if you want to stop and think about something for a while, you'd better make sure Uncle Ben ain't hard at work up the hill or it will be done before you decide what you want to do. Our Kevin is a longtime alum from the University of Gitterdone.
We also cleared several fallen trees that had forced an unfortunate go-around, which was creating a mud bog. Ranger Kevin felt the best about that task, because of the mitigation of impact for one, and because we made the fur fly for another. He said he was not used to having so much equipment available. We did, in an hour, what would have taken Ranger Kevin and eight AmeriCorps kids all day. We also learned about the relative effectiveness of sharp vs. dull chain on a saw, what Poulan really means (keep poulan and poulan because it won't keep running), and the effectiveness of Swedish engineering (using the Mighty Orange Chili, my Husky chainsaw. Made short work of it.)

We would have done more sawing but Uncle Ben took his mighty ATV down the trail and beat us to it. Did I mention our Kevin's work ethic?

We made a difference!!!

nakman
10-17-2005, 02:24 PM
This is great stuff, thanks everyone who made it out! Can't wait to see the pics, and hopefully participate in the next work effort.

bh4rnnr
10-17-2005, 08:41 PM
Glad things went well. Sounds like a lot of work got done :cool: . Lets see some pics already!

nuclearlemon
10-17-2005, 09:14 PM
nope...not until pics for the article are picked out. :D

Uncle Ben
10-17-2005, 09:16 PM
Uncle Ben came to work....thats all. The main crew had plenty of skilled and eager labor so UB just went to the other end and got busy....remember....this is what I do for a living in property management. BTW....it was a sharp, and full chisel chained Husky with me too! There was also a sharp, full chisel chained, 20" Husky waiting as backup in Ricecake just in case! I had fun....anytime you can hop on a toy (or in a TOY) and have fun while "gettingerdone" it's a good day! ;) I only worked at one end....The Chili crew did the rest of the trail! :eek: I was VERY proud of what got accomplished by all!

Again a HUGE thank you to Bobzookie for prerunnung the trail and letting the rest of the workparty know what they could look forward too! It truly helped a bunch! I did follow Bobs lead by offering "red" plastic to the "Ghost of Jenny"....my Grizzly now needs a new tail light lens! Also, thanks to Leinesred for picking up the pieces as I forgot to go back probably because I was happy just to complete the manuver that broke it!

leiniesred
10-18-2005, 09:53 AM
"Me 'n' Jenny's like peas and carrots again." -GUMP

I may not be a smart man, Jenny, but I know what good work is. -Sorta GUMP

Anyway, I had a lot of fun working on Jenny Creek. Yep, there is plenty o' work for everyone on that little trail. But it is good, honest work. Ranger Kevin's positive attitude even when we were doing things beyond the scope of the project and the vonlunteer program was great.

Seriously, how do we get "certified" to run a power saw? I certified Red Chilli and he certified me I think. Iggy, I'm gonna get you a set of files for your saw and show you how to use 'em! No more cutting dirt, rocks and fireplugs with your chainsaw, Iggy! I know the sparks are cool, but it kinda takes the fun out of sawing wood. :) *peace!*

Pounding in carsonite is a great core body and upper body workout. Lin said I looked like superman after just 1 day of practice! Also, You are CERTIFIED an expert carsonite installer after just 1 post!

I'll bring it up at the next meeting, but I think the club should buy our own post pounder and pilot drill unit. Uncle Ben could have used it when we split up to double our effectiveness on our first day out.

There wasn't MUCH trash on the trail, perhaps the snow hid most of it. I think we have a good shot at keeping trash on the trail down. We are going to have to work hard with the Government agencies and possibly private party land owners to get the trail out of the creek to reduce impacts to the stream. The spot where iggy slid in is a perfect example of an area that will need work pronto. How do we get other, "green" organizations involved in our club's efforts to mitigate the effects of motor travel on the road we have adopted? I would love to be able to SHOW them how much we care about this trail. Sure, we used power tools to get the trail back on the original route, but that boggy corner around the fallen trees was going to be a deep mud hole come spring. Now, It'll be a frog pond or something.

OH YEAH! I saw NO bad eggs on the trail on Sunday! The ATV, motorcycle, jeeps, pickups and everything were all very friendly. "Are you guys part of COVHCO?" Is what one guy asked me. The word about working to save our trails IS getting out to other groups!
I told him that the rising sun 4x4 club had recently adopted the trail and were going to do everything we can to help keep the trail open.

Ranger Kevin: Thanks for spending a Sunday with us. Thanks for all the patient map and GPS work. You guys have some great electronic resources. Now, you can use the Rising Sun 4x4 club as another resource to help accomplish the tasks required to maintain a healthy forest that can be enjoyed by a wide range of visiting individuals as well as the indiginous wildlife population. I hope you felt excited by the energy and commitment our group is willing to provide. Feel free to share your experience with your peers and direct managers. Sorry if we are a little TOO ambitious in our efforts.

Ideas:
Informational sign/Kiosk
I want it it say something like:

The rising sun 4x4 club appreciates your help as we try to keep this trail open for everyone.

STAY ON THE TRAIL, pickup trash, confront people abusing this trail.

If you feel you need to go off trail because this trail is too boring or easy,
GO DRIVE/RIDE A HARDER TRAIL!

Physical barriers:
Block access to the mudbog and the new user created routes. Sounds like fencing needs.

SIGNAGE:
Yeah, it is ugly, and takes the fun out of getting lost, but it seems to help the confused, lost, and casual trail abusers.

Red_Chili
10-18-2005, 10:17 AM
...We are going to have to work hard with the Government agencies and possibly private party land owners to get the trail out of the creek to reduce impacts to the stream. The spot where iggy slid in is a perfect example of an area that will need work pronto. How do we get other, "green" organizations involved in our club's efforts to mitigate the effects of motor travel on the road we have adopted? I would love to be able to SHOW them how much we care about this trail. Sure, we used power tools to get the trail back on the original route, but that boggy corner around the fallen trees was going to be a deep mud hole come spring. Now, It'll be a frog pond or something.


One way... attend the monthly Boulder Ranger District OHV meeting. I'm gettin' lonesome up there. It's a great opportunity to participate in a team environment with folks who the OHV community tends to distrust, and who tend to distrust the OHV community. When communication happens, and shared values happen, distrust kinda tends to go away.

nuclearlemon
10-18-2005, 10:24 AM
"

Ideas:
Informational sign/Kiosk
I want it it say something like:

The rising sun 4x4 club appreciates your help as we try to keep this trail open for everyone.

STAY ON THE TRAIL, pickup trash, confront people abusing this trail and let them know what dumbasses they are

If you feel you need to go off trail because this trail is too boring or easy,
GO DRIVE/RIDE A HARDER TRAIL!
.


hehehehehe....fixed it for ya.

leiniesred
10-18-2005, 11:43 AM
yep that is better, Nuclear Lemon!

Bobzooki
10-18-2005, 04:31 PM
I'm proud of you guys!

Because this trail is almost in my back yard, I can visit it just about any week-night. And I WILL carry a camera in the future, and the next time I find some drunk/stoned idiots in the mud-bog, I'll be taking LOTS of pictures, and giving testamony if that's required.

nakman
10-18-2005, 10:07 PM
Quote:
...We are going to have to work hard with the Government agencies and possibly private party land owners to get the trail out of the creek to reduce impacts to the stream. The spot where iggy slid in is a perfect example of an area that will need work pronto. How do we get other, "green" organizations involved in our club's efforts to mitigate the effects of motor travel on the road we have adopted? I would love to be able to SHOW them how much we care about this trail. Sure, we used power tools to get the trail back on the original route, but that boggy corner around the fallen trees was going to be a deep mud hole come spring. Now, It'll be a frog pond or something.


One way... attend the monthly Boulder Ranger District OHV meeting. I'm gettin' lonesome up there. It's a great opportunity to participate in a team environment with folks who the OHV community tends to distrust, and who tend to distrust the OHV community. When communication happens, and shared values happen, distrust kinda tends to go away.
I'll second that. Go attend a ranger meeting, and you can personally interact with at least one very active Sierra Club member. Definitely worth the effort!

nuclearlemon
10-18-2005, 11:04 PM
I'll second that. Go attend a ranger meeting, and you can personally interact with at least one very active Sierra Club member. Definitely worth the effort!
too bad they hold it at the wrong time of day...i don't get off work until 7 :(

Seldom Seen
10-19-2005, 02:48 AM
I'll bring it up at the next meeting, but I think the club should buy our own post pounder and pilot drill unit. Uncle Ben could have used it when we split up to double our effectiveness on our first day out.



Great idea, went a head and started pricing them out. Over $300 for the set :eek: I think we have enough skills and resources with in the club to make a set, that is if the USFS "certifies" them and all (OSHA applies to volunteer labor too ;) )

leiniesred
10-19-2005, 09:22 AM
Thanks for finding the price on the units, Seldom.

I was thinking about the pilot pounder...Where we are usually putting in posts, we can drive. We have 4,000+ pounds of truck right there. There has to be a simple way for us to use our heavy trucks to dig those pilot holes!

Red_Chili
10-20-2005, 08:57 AM
I for one would be more than happy to donate $10 or $20 toward these tools. I'd bet about 20 people or so would do the same!

Then we could just pick up carsonites at the RD, or just buy a box of carsonites and get the stickers and numbers from the RDs. I think we would have to have a CCRD cache, and a BRD cache, just to be accountable to the RDs with where each is used - or maybe that just doesn't matter to them.
Thoughts?

leiniesred
10-20-2005, 09:46 AM
After all, I'll probably use it! -LeiniesRed

60wag
10-20-2005, 10:51 AM
Is it Ok to be installing carsonites without the FS rep there to approve it? At the end of Sunday's run, the carsonites we put in would have been a bit different if Kevin hadn't been there.

Uncle Ben
10-20-2005, 12:16 PM
I for one would be more than happy to donate $10 or $20 toward these tools. I'd bet about 20 people or so would do the same!

Then we could just pick up carsonites at the RD, or just buy a box of carsonites and get the stickers and numbers from the RDs. I think we would have to have a CCRD cache, and a BRD cache, just to be accountable to the RDs with where each is used - or maybe that just doesn't matter to them.
Thoughts?


I'll do $20.

nuclearlemon
10-20-2005, 08:33 PM
Is it Ok to be installing carsonites without the FS rep there to approve it? At the end of Sunday's run, the carsonites we put in would have been a bit different if Kevin hadn't been there.
i think it depends on the ranger. we did argentine pass by ourselves. brandt told us where his truck would be, we got the tools, hit the road, when we were done, we put everything back in his truck.

leiniesred
10-21-2005, 08:49 AM
I'm sure it would be cool for us to replace/repair missing or damaged posts without approval. New posts, yeah, I'd feel better with a Forest Service rep present.

Seldom: I didn't turn on my track log so I have very little GPS data to share with you. In fact, just 3 data points.

Next time, I'll be sure to mark EACH PLACE we:

1: Install a carsonite post
2: do more than a few minutes of work on the trail.

This might help the FS know what we did, where we did it and when we did it.

-LeiniesRed

Red_Chili
10-21-2005, 10:26 AM
I think Kevin may be concerned we are too aggressive with closures (oh, the irony...) and would want to monitor us. But recording the GPS locations of any and all work should allay his concern.

Especially ironic is the fact that Kevin is jumpy because of COHVCO possibly filing suit, for pities' sake. I told him if they ever gave him grief for closing an illegitimate trail or way, just let me at 'em!