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timmbuck2
04-06-2007, 08:23 AM
Replacing the damaged leafs on my 73 40 this weekend with used stock replacements. (Thanks Ben!) Any idea where I could find some bushings locally? I will probably swap out all 4 leafs while I am at it, the new used ones look better than the ones on there. I plan on buying all new Skyjackers some day so I will get new brackets and shackles and greasable pins at that time...

Thanks!

T

wesintl
04-06-2007, 08:56 AM
Toyota rubber ones are like $2 a piece.

I'm sure ron at RMC has some in stock.
http://www.rockymountaincruisers.com/cgi-bin/shop.pl/SID=1175871330.1710/page=product.html/product=120

timmbuck2
04-06-2007, 09:07 AM
Toyota rubber ones are like $2 a piece.

I'm sure ron at RMC has some in stock.
http://www.rockymountaincruisers.com/cgi-bin/shop.pl/SID=1175871330.1710/page=product.html/product=120

Tht was my initial plan, they are very close to my house...

Thanks!

T

corsair23
04-06-2007, 09:46 AM
Tim,

If Ron doesn't have any (doubtful that he won't :) ), I've got a baggy full of these (new):

http://www.sor.com/sor/cat289.tam?xax=28474&page%2Ectx=cat289%2Etam

I don't know what size they are but I can look tonight if you are interested. They came with my '76 40 way back when.

Red_Chili
04-06-2007, 10:09 AM
Urethane may hold up better, HTH.

corsair23
04-06-2007, 10:19 PM
Timm,

Did you find bushings? Not sure if these will work but I found the baggies of bushings I have. They are marked 289-40-C...Per SOR they are:

"40 Series S-O-R Poly Bushing-Black graphite impregnated polyurethane-Fits 1958-7/80 40 Series Con-Ferr Shackles, Performance Shackles (#288-80 & #288-81), & Extreme Shackles (#288-92 & #288-94)-Specifications: I.D.=5/8 inch, O.D.=1 inch, Flange=.195-A total of 24 bushings are required for entire vehicle-Sold each"

Looks like I have 16 of them...

If can't use 'em and someone else wants 'em let me know...You could make a small donation to the raffle rig fund :)

(`._.[xtr3m3]._.)
04-08-2007, 09:52 PM
Jeff,

I could really use those. I am going to replace my shackles next weekend. What do you want for them?

timmbuck2
04-08-2007, 10:17 PM
go for it, I already had stopped by RMC before he offered them to me. Thanks anyway Jeff!!

T

corsair23
04-08-2007, 11:10 PM
._.);31695']Jeff,

I could really use those. I am going to replace my shackles next weekend. What do you want for them?

Leif,

If you're sure they'll fit (looks to be all sorts of sizes on SORs page) any donation amount to the Raffle Rig will do :)

They are only a couple bucks a pc from SOR so whatever you feel is reasonable. You can pay me and I'll Paypal the $$ to RS for the raffle rig or you can do it directly yourself.

Let me know :thumb:

(`._.[xtr3m3]._.)
04-10-2007, 02:10 PM
They should work for me. When you be around for me to pick them up?

corsair23
04-10-2007, 02:56 PM
._.);31853']They should work for me. When you be around for me to pick them up?

Leif,

Sent you a PM :thumb:

timmbuck2
04-14-2007, 11:45 AM
OK, next leaf question. :) Got all 4 leafs from lfd270ben from his 40, thanks again BEN!! After some MUD research, I decided to go ahead and take them apart, wire wheel, prime and paint, then use some slip plate. Only issue are the leaf wraps. None of the threads on Mud really mentioned them, just said "dissesemble and paint'. 1 thread said to pry them off, then straighten, drill a hole, then put in a bolt. Has anyone done any of this to their wraps? It took a lot of muscle just to straighten 1 of the arms on each wrap, I can't imagine trying to completely straighten them all. Any ideas? They are looking awesome after cleaning and painting, should get the slip plate early next week. Thanks all!

Timm

ps-any local place I can get new pins? Might as well replace them while I am in there. What grease do you use when re-installing the bushings, leafs, etc?

timmbuck2
04-14-2007, 07:16 PM
hmmm....the leaf wraps are stamped "Made in Canada".....that can't be right for stock springs, can it??

T

corsair23
04-15-2007, 10:00 PM
ps-any local place I can get new pins? Might as well replace them while I am in there. What grease do you use when re-installing the bushings, leafs, etc?

I'm no help with the technical questions so bump back to the top for you. But on 40 parts (local) I always try Ron @ RMC first...He may even have the answers to your other questions as well :thumb:

Hulk
04-15-2007, 11:30 PM
I bought spring pins at Off-Road Ltd (http://www.offroadltd.com/home.htm). They were the only local place I could find them.
14200 E Colfax
Aurora, CO 80011
(1 Block East of I-225 on Colfax)
303-367-9666

Rzeppa
04-16-2007, 07:36 PM
Urethane may hold up better, HTH.Have now had many hundreds of thousands of miles with poly and with stock rubber, and my observation is that yes, poly lasts longer, but not by much. In my observation, geometry (does everything line up just right?) and stresses (stock versus lifted) seems to play a bigger role than material.

Some of these observations are totally A/B (same rig, same suspension, just poly versus rubber) and other observations are at the same time as suspension mods. I have not observed any difference whatsoever in plain poly with grease versus graphite-impregnated poly with grease, and haven't tried graphite impregnated poly without grease. I also haven't observed any noticeable premature degradation of stock rubber with grease versus without grease, as I have read about over the years, although I did try silicone grease instead of dino grease for a couple years on a set of stock rubbers, didn't seem to make a difference.

My recommendations:

(1) Replace the bushings when they seem worn out.

(2) Price being similar, I'd go with poly, but if rubber was handy they seem to work fine. Either are good for 30-100k miles, depending on useage, how far you are from stock, and alignment/fitment.

(3) I don't think poly is worth a significant price premium, and especially graphite-impregnated.

(4) Suspension work is such a large amount of work, particularly for leaf suspension, pay most attention to fitment and alignment.

Rzeppa
04-16-2007, 07:48 PM
Has anyone done any of this to their wraps? It took a lot of muscle just to straighten 1 of the arms on each wrap, I can't imagine trying to completely straighten them all. Any ideas?Heat the right angle bend with an O-A torch (basic blacksmithing).

ps-any local place I can get new pins?spring pins are available at most 4x4 shops and a lot of parts stores. Stock M8 is hard to find but 5/16 fits fine.

What grease do you use when re-installing the bushings, leafs, etc?See my previous post; I now use dino MP after experimenting with silicone grease and seeing no observable benefits after many hundreds of thousands of miles.

Rzeppa
04-16-2007, 07:50 PM
hmmm....the leaf wraps are stamped "Made in Canada".....that can't be right for stock springs, can it??

TA large number of aftermarket brands were made by Belton in Canada. Toyota springs will have a triangle stamping.

Hulk
04-16-2007, 10:11 PM
My BDS Springs were made in Canada as well.

timmbuck2
04-17-2007, 12:31 PM
Heat the right angle bend with an O-A torch (basic blacksmithing).

spring pins are available at most 4x4 shops and a lot of parts stores. Stock M8 is hard to find but 5/16 fits fine.

See my previous post; I now use dino MP after experimenting with silicone grease and seeing no observable benefits after many hundreds of thousands of miles.

no welder or torch for me. (YET...)

Would a combo of my bench vise and a propane torch do any good? Any chance all that heat would damage the leafs themselves? I still have not received the slip plate, so no hurry yet. No engine anyway. :) But the mouse pooooop is gone!!
:beer: :D :hill: :beer:

Rzeppa
04-17-2007, 06:04 PM
no welder or torch for me. (YET...)

Would a combo of my bench vise and a propane torch do any good? Any chance all that heat would damage the leafs themselves? I still have not received the slip plate, so no hurry yet. No engine anyway. :) But the mouse pooooop is gone!!
:beer: :D :hill: :beer:Yes, although if you have a propane torch put a bottle of MAPP gas on it instead, it'll make a hotter flame. No you can't damage the temper in the springs if you're just aiming at the wraps, just try to get the right-angle part as red hot as you can then bend with vice grips.

I wouldn't worry too much about slip plate between the leaves, plain old dino grease seems to work too. Either will wear through fairly quick anyway in my observation and grease is a lot cheaper. It's only the interface between the upper tip of the leaf below and where the tip slides on the upper leaf it mates to that sees any wear anyway, the rest of the interface area in the pack doesn't see much at all.