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Hulk
04-16-2007, 01:46 AM
I warn you: I tend to ask really stupid questions when I'm new to something. Lot and lots of them. Eventually, I'll know enough that I'll stop.

Question one:
My CSCE (Certificate of Successful Completion of Examination) says that I have earned this new license class:
TECHNICIAN w/HF

Does that mean I have some HF privileges? I thought the technician level granted only VHF and UHF.

Seldom Seen
04-16-2007, 02:04 AM
You get privileges on 10 meter from 28.000 to 28.300 CW, RTTY & data and 28.300 to 28.500 CW and SSB phone. 200 watts PEP. You also get a small sliver of 15 meters, 40 meters and 80 meters IIRC (Nathaniel can fill you in on these) but it's CW (code) only on the lower bands

Hulk
04-16-2007, 12:04 PM
Is anybody running HF in their rigs, or does that require so much antenna that it makes it a logistical PITA? Just curious -- some of the radios, like the FT-8900, offer quad band: the 8900 is a 29/50/144/430 MHz FM Transceiver. The Yaesu FT-100D (http://cgi.ebay.com/Yaesu-FT-100D-AM-Filter-YSK-100-MMB-67-CT-62-More_W0QQitemZ150112661659QQihZ005QQcategoryZ40069QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem) looks way cool as well.

Seldom Seen
04-16-2007, 01:07 PM
The quad banders are FM only. IMHO not worth the x-tra $$. 6meter FM isn't any better than 2meter FM. I know you probably read that 6 is the magic band but most of the action on 6 is on SSB. Currently there are no 6m SSB mobiles 'cept the $1000 DC to Daylight all bander rigs. 10meters on the quads is FM also and our Tech+HF privileges do not allow for FM transmissions on 10.

nakman
04-16-2007, 02:24 PM
Matt, my vote is you should just get a 7800 or 8800. They are perfect radios for what our main need is, and will completely satisfy your immediate need for a radio. And similar to sliders, bumpers, and OME springs.. if you decide to switch up in a year or so I bet you could get 75% of what you paid for it back... or, put the 7800 in the other truck...

I can't remember if the 7800 is a true "dual bander" or not.. but that feature has already been very handy so I'd recommend it.. I know Chris uses it as well, we keep one channel on the repeater, the other on the common simplex freq., can monitor both and switching which one to talk on is just a button. hth...

DaveInDenver
04-16-2007, 04:17 PM
The 7800 is a true dual band radio (in that it receives and transmits on both 2m and 70cm), but only has one tuner. The 8800 has two VFOs, so it can tune two bands simultaneously. I have a 7800 and like it a lot, but having two tuners would be nice. But my $0.02 is that the 8800 isn't quite as friendly to operate while moving, so I decided to live without it. If Yaesu made the 8800 with the lighted buttons and big display of the 7800, I'd think about going that way.

Groucho
04-16-2007, 04:39 PM
Matt,
Just because some folks wanna stick it out with CB(WHY?):dunno:, don't think that there are any dumb questions. My 2M radio has less buttons(3) than my 1978 Realistic CB(4). :D

Technician w/HF privileges means exactly what Brian said. You may operate on certain HF frequencies in specific modes. Ironically, the HF privileges that are most effective right now are the 80 and 40 meter bands, and those privileges are for CW only for the Technician license. It is ironic b/c they dropped the code requirement, but the only real way to do HF as a technician is to use morse code.

The 10 Meter band(where you can talk on SSB phone) will start to open up in the next 2-4 years, and when it does you'll be amazed to talk all over the world with as little as 5 watts. Bruce gave an example in our Ham class of when he was operating in the Cayman Islands during a peak in the sunspot cycle(affects signal propogation) he used a modified CB rig to operate on 10 Meter band(CB is technically 11 meters) and talked all over the world with only 3 watts!

Watch out, folks tend to get bitten by the bug and then they really want to see how cool the entire amateur radio hobby really is and how it has contributed directly to the communication devices we take for granted daily(Cell phone, etc).

Any more questions?


You get privileges on 10 meter from 28.000 to 28.300 CW, RTTY & data and 28.300 to 28.500 CW and SSB phone. 200 watts PEP. You also get a small sliver of 15 meters, 40 meters and 80 meters IIRC (Nathaniel can fill you in on these) but it's CW (code) only on the lower bands

I warn you: I tend to ask really stupid questions when I'm new to something. Lot and lots of them. Eventually, I'll know enough that I'll stop.

Question one:
My CSCE (Certificate of Successful Completion of Examination) says that I have earned this new license class:
TECHNICIAN w/HF

Does that mean I have some HF privileges? I thought the technician level granted only VHF and UHF.

nakman
04-16-2007, 06:35 PM
The 7800 is a true dual band radio (in that it receives and transmits on both 2m and 70cm), but only has one tuner. The 8800 has two VFOs, so it can tune two bands simultaneously. I have a 7800 and like it a lot, but having two tuners would be nice. But my $0.02 is that the 8800 isn't quite as friendly to operate while moving, so I decided to live without it. If Yaesu made the 8800 with the lighted buttons and big display of the 7800, I'd think about going that way.


definitely agree, there's only so much you really want to try to do while driving.... those buttons are small and not lit on the 8800, and kind of a pain. OTOH, you can custom the P1-P4 buttons on the handset to do some common stuff (like scan, adjust output power, toggle between the two bands, etc.) so you can minimize the times you actually have to touch the buttons on the faceplate. I wish those little buttons were backlit like on the 7800... but I'll take the dual tuners! thanks for clearing that up, Dave. :cheers:

Seldom Seen
04-17-2007, 12:13 AM
Matt,
Just because some folks wanna stick it out with CB(WHY?):dunno:

That's a big 10-4 good buddy, I got your back door. What? What? Come back, say again Billy-jo-jim-bob down in Tejas just walked all over you. What? What? Wait let me see if I can squelch them out. Come Back? What? Wait I forgot to turn up the RF gain.

Squeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeelllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll

Woops it's Perry again tring to break in, wonder what he wants.

Squeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeellllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll

Damn it Perry, I told you to fix that thing. Some one roll down their window and shout at him.

Wait I think I heard the tail gunner say some one is broke down, can some one relay up to the leader to hold up, my radio doesn't seem to be getting out.


Yea going to miss all that :rolleyes:

Hulk
04-17-2007, 12:41 AM
The 7800 is a true dual band radio (in that it receives and transmits on both 2m and 70cm), but only has one tuner. The 8800 has two VFOs, so it can tune two bands simultaneously. I have a 7800 and like it a lot, but having two tuners would be nice. But my $0.02 is that the 8800 isn't quite as friendly to operate while moving, so I decided to live without it. If Yaesu made the 8800 with the lighted buttons and big display of the 7800, I'd think about going that way.


Dave, thanks for posting this. I think I need to go to HRO and see the units in person.

Hey, how often are you guys using 70cm, anyway? Any? Is there any reason to get the 7800 over the 2800 if you're not using UHF? The 2800 gives you 65 watts instead of 50 watts, too.

Seldom Seen
04-17-2007, 01:55 AM
Hey, how often are you guys using 70cm, anyway? Any? Is there any reason to get the 7800 over the 2800 if you're not using UHF? The 2800 gives you 65 watts instead of 50 watts, too.

To be honest the only reason I bought a dual band was for the remote mount head unit. I installed it with a 2meter only ant. I recently got a dual band antenna and it has opened up a whole new world. 70cm seems every bit effective as 2meters is around town. There are enough ops on 70 to keep things from getting boring yet it's not as crowed as 2meters esp. at rush hour.

I can definitely see the utility of 70 in the back country for short haul QSOs.

The difference between 50 and 65 watts is negligible, on paper anyway. I have no 1st hand to ofter here, may be Nathaniel or Dave can explain it better. I seem to recall a rule of thumb that to double your range you need to quadruple your power. So if 50 watts gets you 50 miles you need 200 watts to get 100 miles.

Hulk
04-17-2007, 01:58 AM
Brian, what radio are you using? The Kenwood TM-G707A?

Hulk
04-17-2007, 02:05 AM
Anybody use Icom gear? The IC-V8000 (http://www.gigaparts.com/store.php?action=profile&sku=ZIC-V8000) 2M Mobile radio is pretty highly rated over at eham.net (http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/2171).

Big props to Eric Vogt for all the links. :thumb:

Seldom Seen
04-17-2007, 02:18 AM
Yep Kenwood g707a. I like it a lot. Dual band but not a dual deck like Tim and Chris's, but its nothing to toggle between 2 freqs or the 2 bands with the touch of a button.

1 of the reasons I went for it is the buttons (all 4 of them) are back lit

I considered the V8000 and I still might get one to use as a base. The thing that stopped me is, they get exceedingly HOT. I figured since it's DIN height and 1" less than DIN width I could put it under the stereo. I was warned about the heat situation and the lack of air cirulation in the dash.

nakman
04-17-2007, 09:40 AM
I've heard only good about the Icoms, and in fact they're all most likely going to be great. The thing though that clinched it for me with the 8800 is the fact that Chris got one. Not to copy, but for mutual tech support reasons.. if you get a 7800 then you know you can always ask Ken, Bruce, Dan, or Nathaniel (via CM trailer) how to work the thing, or if you get a 8800 you can always ask Chris or me, etc. But if you get an Icom you may be on your own for a while. For the same reasons it would never be a bad idea to get the same radio Brian has, you know he knows how to work the thing. :) just a thought, that's all... I'm sure the learning stage is only temporary.

Groucho
04-17-2007, 09:53 AM
Anybody use Icom gear? The IC-V8000 (http://www.gigaparts.com/store.php?action=profile&sku=ZIC-V8000) 2M Mobile radio is pretty highly rated over at eham.net (http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/2171).



Bruce Miller uses that one in the Prado.

ginericLC
04-17-2007, 10:08 AM
The 707As are on sale right now at aesham.com A link I can't believe I forgot in my list. I can't believe I forgot them.

Hulk
04-17-2007, 12:29 PM
I can see getting into this hobby. Just what I needed: another spendy hobby. :eek: :D

ginericLC
04-17-2007, 12:40 PM
I can see getting into this hobby. Just what I needed: another spendy hobby. :eek: :D

My wife hates HAM stuff. She thinks I'm going to turn into an old man and lock myself in a corner room spending all my time trying to contact strangers just to see how far I can get with the radiation causing me to lose more of my memory. And honestly, when I joined the HAM club her stereotype really was accurate. I was young enough to be the grandson of almost every member. And they were all excited about DX contesting and making foreign contacts. I'm limiting myself to only having HAM stuff in the Cruiser. I think I'm almost done spending. The Antenna and APRS stuff will be all that I need.

nakman
04-17-2007, 12:55 PM
My wife hates HAM stuff...

remember that VW ad where the guy gets his wife out of the house to show her how he can make all the windows go down with the key? that happened to me last night.. I got her out in the driveway so she could see how cool it was to talk across town to all the other hams in the club... totally unimpressed.

Romer
04-17-2007, 01:18 PM
Ahhhh, but hand her an ice cream sandwich from your Engle on a real hot August afternoon far from home and you will make her happy :D

Uncle Ben
04-17-2007, 01:18 PM
Ok....I'll come clean. I think this Ham stuff is way cool and I know if I don't diss it and justify NOT getting into it I can avoid it for a while. I do not need another hobby nor do I need to throw $1000's at another thing I don't have the time for! I had a friend back in Greeley when I was young impress the crud out of me with his communication/"reach out and talk to somebody" equipment. His passion did bleed over on me a tad and got me into kickers and the like but I resisted his 2M passion. The most impressive gadget he had (in my opinion) was a 100' tower with remotely adjustable antenna head couple to a 1000watt kicker and a 23 channel "heathkit" cb base unit that he could "skip" east or west and talk to fellow airwave nutcases in Aussieland. I was always blown away by that!
Looking through the window and watching you guys get into this and seeing and researching the equipment has me interested of course but for now I'm gonna resist and see who is still into it when the novelty wears off. I can resist....I can resist....I can....... :rolleyes: :ranger: :banghead: :homer:

Uncle Ben
04-17-2007, 01:25 PM
Ahhhh, but hand her an ice cream sandwich from your Engle on a real hot August afternoon far from home and you will make her happy :D

Somehow I don't see Michelle getting excited by either the bumping around out to the boonies or the ice cream sandwich. Now hire a baby sitter and go for a very long extended mountain bike ride with a rewarding sunset and a glass of wine with no electronic gadgets for miles and I think you'll see that big grin!

DaveInDenver
04-17-2007, 01:36 PM
It doesn't have to be expensive. A nice 2m mobile set up is only going to be a couple of hundred dollars. Even new, a Yaesu FT-1802M is going for about $150 and single band antenna is maybe $40. Hams are perpetual tinkerers, so finding very good used radios is super easy, saves you a ton a money.

Groucho
04-17-2007, 03:50 PM
I do not need another hobby nor do I need to throw $1000's at another thing I don't have the time for! I can resist....I can resist....I can....... :rolleyes: :ranger: :banghead: :homer:

Just bustin yer chops, oh wise and noble one! :grinpimp:

It doesn't have to be expensive. A nice 2m mobile set up is only going to be a couple of hundred dollars. Even new, a Yaesu FT-1802M is going for about $150 and single band antenna is maybe $40. Hams are perpetual tinkerers, so finding very good used radios is super easy, saves you a ton a money.

Also, ask Sharkbait how much he spent on his homebrew antenna that works AWESOME!

You could also spend $15 on 4" of round plexiglass and 1/8" stainless rod and make a very good 5/8 wave antenna for the FZJ80! Not many additions to a landcruiser can boast having the improvements that Ham has over CB and be less than $200.:kevin:

Shark Bait
04-17-2007, 04:02 PM
Also, ask Sharkbait how much he spent on his homebrew antenna that works AWESOME!


5' of twin lead was about $0.50, Solder an old CB coax cable to it after sacrificing one end, $??. The optional feed line noise suppressor ferrite bead material was around $5.00. The pigtail to go from the larger coax connector to the smaller one on the radio was around $10. That's it! :grinpimp:

Uncle Ben
04-17-2007, 05:07 PM
You guys speak with blinders on! I got into Cruisers by buying a $600 FJ-40 basketcase! I got into R/C by buying my oldest daughter a $49 Nikko! I got into guns with a hand me down .22! I got into drag racing by getting a stock '68 stick shift Chevelle! I got into pull trucking by building a buddies transfer case on his Super Stock Ford F-250! Hell....I got into 4 wheeling by buying a $200 J**p CJ-5! First home theater was a 19" TV and cheap VCR patched into a normal 50 watt stereo! First camper was a free shell on my Chebby P/U! Need I go on? :rolleyes: :blah: :hill:

Seldom Seen
04-17-2007, 05:33 PM
You guys speak with blinders on! I got into Cruisers by buying a $600 FJ-40 basketcase! I got into R/C by buying my oldest daughter a $49 Nikko! I got into guns with a hand me down .22! I got into drag racing by getting a stock '68 stick shift Chevelle! I got into pull trucking by building a buddies transfer case on his Super Stock Ford F-250! Hell....I got into 4 wheeling by buying a $200 J**p CJ-5! First camper was a free shell on my Chebby P/U! Need I go on? :rolleyes: :blah: :hill:

You sound like one of those crusty ol' hams already :D

Get your self a empty Quaker Oats carton, the cylindrical cardboard type. Wind some lacquered wire from an old alternator around it. Add a few old TV tubes. Feed it into a cut down CB antenna and you're all set. ;)

Seriously though, back when Radio Shack used to deal in radios they sold alot of Ham gear. Most of it is still highly reguarded as quality entry level equipment. I've seen 2meter rigs go for as little as $25 on flea bay and QRZ. I lucked out and found a HTX10 (10meter all mode) for $50 when the Radio Shack at U. Hills Mall was closing.

Uncle Ben
04-17-2007, 05:42 PM
You sound like one of those crusty ol' hams already :D

Get your self a empty Quaker Oats carton, the cylindrical cardboard type. <snip>

See.....there you go! Already suggesting high quality, front line, name brand stuff! It just gets worse from there! Then someone discovers that it actually works better if you use the higher cost instant packets...and so on....and so on....and..... :rolleyes: :flamingo: :hill:

Seldom Seen
04-17-2007, 06:07 PM
See.....there you go! Already suggesting high quality, front line, name brand stuff! It just gets worse from there! Then someone discovers that it actually works better if you use the higher cost instant packets...and so on....and so on....and..... :rolleyes: :flamingo: :hill:


:lmao: :lmao: :lmao: OMG that was funny!!

Resistance is futile, you will be assimilated

Hulk
04-17-2007, 07:55 PM
Just dropped off a load of cash at HRO. I bought:


Yaesu FT-7800R 144/430 MHz transceiver
Diamond NR770HNMO (in black) fold-over antenna (about 38")
Comet B-10NMO short antenna (about 11.5") for around town
Diamond K400 mount for the back hatch
13.5 feet of cable (with NMO base) to connect my antenna to the transceiver


I still need to get some of that 6-wire modular cord to run my faceplate up to the front. I plan to put the unit behind the rear plastic wall in my 80, so no kids will be able to spill their Sprite into it.

Also, I need to get power to the back. What gauge wire are you guys running? I might also put a 12-V outlet in the back at the same time. I do have a 300 watt inverter -- maybe I should just install it behind the panel like Nakman, and be cool like him.

ginericLC
04-17-2007, 09:11 PM
See.....there you go! Already suggesting high quality, front line, name brand stuff! It just gets worse from there! Then someone discovers that it actually works better if you use the higher cost instant packets...and so on....and so on....and..... :rolleyes: :flamingo: :hill:

Isn't that how you got the 80. By the way you are always welcome to share some of my higher cost instant packets! I'm already shopping for them for Rubithon. What can I say, I'm a sale shopper!:)

Hulk
04-18-2007, 01:10 PM
So my next question is power. I want to run power all the way back to the rear of the 80, to one of the side compartments.

1. Where do I tap into power? I want continuous power, not switched. I have an aux fusebox on the firewall of my 40. Do I need to do the same thing for my 80? What have you guys done?

2. Wire gauge recommendations? And where are you getting the wire? Do I just run positive and ground to the chassis in the rear?

3. Are you guys running all the wire under the carpet? I'm betting this is easier than removing the headliner. Is there a special flat wire that works under the carpet?

Shark Bait
04-18-2007, 01:22 PM
Matt,

Does a power line not come with the radio? We attached the feed and the ground, both fused, directly to the battery on mine. www.westmountainradio.com has some cool stuff for power. If you mount the radio in the rear, which I'd like to do eventually, you'll need a remote speaker cause the speaker is in the radio. www.dxengineering.com and www.powerwerx.com have some cool stuff, too.

Romer
04-18-2007, 01:26 PM
I have an aux fuse block above my brake cyl in the engine bay. I run all the stuff I want constant power to from it.

I have 3 extra power outlets (Engel Frig, PocketPC, Other toys), CB, Ham radio and one other thing? ( I have a 6 fuse box).

Each item on it's own circuit. The spec on yaseau said it consumes 10Watts of power max.


I ran 10 gauge wire from the fuse block back for the rear power outlets and also for the ham radio. 10 Gauge is rated to carry 14 Amps and this is conservative (don't get sued rating).

I run 8 Gauge from the battery post to the fuse block.

I run 12 -14 gauge for the CB (Can't remember)

If you take the trim off the kickpanel and the floor trim that sits under the dorr when closed, you can run it back easily at the edges so you can have easy acccess. I have all the wires going back on the pass side under the trim (not carpet) and it's no issue.

I find a good ground for stuff in the rear of the truck and connect a lug there to eleiminate ground loops. Need to valiadte with an ohm meter.

Feel free to come over tonight and I'll show you. I should be in the garage putting the Dual filler neck in to finish my subtank install.

Romer
04-18-2007, 01:27 PM
Matt,

Does a power line not come with the radio? We attached the feed and the ground, both fused, directly to the battery on mine. www.westmountainradio.com (http://www.westmountainradio.com) has some cool stuff for power. If you mount the radio in the rear, which I'd like to do eventually, you'll need a remote speaker cause the speaker is in the radio. www.dxengineering.cmo (http://www.dxengineering.cmo) has some stuff, too.


I have the drawers so I am alittle different, but mounted on top of the drawers with the speaker up seems to work. I don't think I'll need a seperate one, but I ran the wire under the trim in case I change my mind.

DaveInDenver
04-18-2007, 01:32 PM
Each item on it's own circuit. The spec on yaseau said it consumes 10Watts of power max.

That's not right. My FT-7800R draws almost 8 amps when transmitting at 50W on 2m. I think you misread it. It's probably 10A max, which is about 120W of energy. Just on RX my radio uses almost 10 watts.

Romer
04-18-2007, 01:34 PM
I meant amps max. Thanks for the clarification. Wire is speced to amps. These radios got me thinking about pooowwweeerrr:D

And I'm a EE:rolleyes:

Hulk
04-18-2007, 01:35 PM
If you mount the radio in the rear, which I'd like to do eventually, you'll need a remote speaker cause the speaker is in the radio.

I'm going to attempt to use the speaker under the steering wheel as my remote speaker. I don't think it's hooked up right now. I may replace the speaker itself if it's crappy, which it probably is.

Mr. Toyoda put speakers in some weird places if you ask me.

Seldom Seen
04-18-2007, 01:45 PM
Maximum length in feet for car wiring

Wire Gauge Current Load in Amps @ 12 Volts DC
_________4A____ 6 A____ 8 A____10 A__ 12 A____ 15 A____ 20 A____ 50 A
20 AWG__ 26'___ 17'____ 13'
18 AWG__ 37'___ 25'____ 18'____ 15'_____ 12'
16 AWG__ 56'___ 37'____ 28'____ 22'_____ 18'_____ 14'
14 AWG__ 90'___ 60'____ 45'____ 36'_____ 30'_____ 24'_____ 18'
12 AWG__ 143'___95'____ 71'____ 57'_____ 47'_____ 38'_____ 28'
10 AWG__ 227'__ 155'___ 113'___ 90'_____ 75'_____ 60'_____ 45'
8 AWG___ 363'__ 241'___ 181'___ 145'____ 120'____ 96'_____ 72'______ 29'
6 AWG___ 585'__ 390'___ 292'___ 234'____ 194'____ 155'____ 117'_____ 46'
4 AWG___ 925'__ 616'___ 462'___ 370'____ 307'____ 246'____ 185'_____ 74'
2 AWG___ 1515'_ 1009'__ 757'___ 606'____ 503'____ 403'____ 303'_____ 121'
1 AWG___ 1923'_ 1280'__ 961'___ 769'____ 638'____ 511'____ 384'_____ 153'
0 AWG___ 2427'_ 1616'__ 1213'__ 970'____ 805'____ 645'____ 485'_____ 194'

Calculate the current load and find the next highest on the top row. Go down that column until you find the length you need to run. The wire gauge required is shown in the far left column. The maximum lengths are based on a 1/2 volt drop over the indicated length. To be safe, always choose one wire size larger than you need for the required current carrying capacity and length. For example: You’ve calculated 10 amps load, over a length of 15 feet. The chart shows that 18 AWG is suitable. Choose 16 AWG to allow an adequate margin for safety.

ginericLC
04-18-2007, 03:19 PM
I'm going to attempt to use the speaker under the steering wheel as my remote speaker. I don't think it's hooked up right now. I may replace the speaker itself if it's crappy, which it probably is.

Mr. Toyoda put speakers in some weird places if you ask me.

I used those speakers. Clip the capaciter so you get full range. I actually wired both my front lower dash speakers in series to create an 8 ohm load. Check your radio to see what the ohm rating is for speaker output. These speakers work well and since I was using an aftermarket deck they were bypasses anyway.

Hulk
04-25-2007, 11:30 PM
I have an aux fuse block above my brake cyl in the engine bay. I run all the stuff I want constant power to from it.

I have 3 extra power outlets (Engel Frig, PocketPC, Other toys), CB, Ham radio and one other thing? ( I have a 6 fuse box).

Each item on it's own circuit. The spec on yaseau said it consumes 10Watts of power max.


I ran 10 gauge wire from the fuse block back for the rear power outlets and also for the ham radio. 10 Gauge is rated to carry 14 Amps and this is conservative (don't get sued rating).

I run 8 Gauge from the battery post to the fuse block.

I run 12 -14 gauge for the CB (Can't remember)

If you take the trim off the kickpanel and the floor trim that sits under the dorr when closed, you can run it back easily at the edges so you can have easy acccess. I have all the wires going back on the pass side under the trim (not carpet) and it's no issue.

I find a good ground for stuff in the rear of the truck and connect a lug there to eleiminate ground loops. Need to valiadte with an ohm meter.

Feel free to come over tonight and I'll show you. I should be in the garage putting the Dual filler neck in to finish my subtank install.

Ken, are you going to be around this weekend? I want to come see your wiring and fuse box.

Where did you buy the fuse box? Online? I want to have the parts in hand for my radio install this weekend.

In my 40, I have this fuse box (http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product/10001/-1/10001/91545/10001/295/124/9) from West Marine (the 6 fuse one), which fixed all my electrical problems. I don't remember it being $43 bucks, though! :eek:

Hulk
04-25-2007, 11:37 PM
Maximum length in feet for car wiring

Wire Gauge Current Load in Amps @ 12 Volts DC
_________4A____ 6 A____ 8 A____10 A__ 12 A____ 15 A____ 20 A____ 50 A
20 AWG__ 26'___ 17'____ 13'
18 AWG__ 37'___ 25'____ 18'____ 15'_____ 12'
16 AWG__ 56'___ 37'____ 28'____ 22'_____ 18'_____ 14'
14 AWG__ 90'___ 60'____ 45'____ 36'_____ 30'_____ 24'_____ 18'
12 AWG__ 143'___95'____ 71'____ 57'_____ 47'_____ 38'_____ 28'
10 AWG__ 227'__ 155'___ 113'___ 90'_____ 75'_____ 60'_____ 45'
8 AWG___ 363'__ 241'___ 181'___ 145'____ 120'____ 96'_____ 72'______ 29'
6 AWG___ 585'__ 390'___ 292'___ 234'____ 194'____ 155'____ 117'_____ 46'
4 AWG___ 925'__ 616'___ 462'___ 370'____ 307'____ 246'____ 185'_____ 74'
2 AWG___ 1515'_ 1009'__ 757'___ 606'____ 503'____ 403'____ 303'_____ 121'
1 AWG___ 1923'_ 1280'__ 961'___ 769'____ 638'____ 511'____ 384'_____ 153'
0 AWG___ 2427'_ 1616'__ 1213'__ 970'____ 805'____ 645'____ 485'_____ 194'


This was so helpful that I made it pretty in Word and saved it as a PDF. Thanks, Brian!

corsair23
04-26-2007, 12:25 AM
Matt,

Christo sells 2nd fuse boxes (can't remember how much though) that mount to the rear heater as shown in this tech article: 2nd fuse box (http://www.sleeoffroad.com/technical/tz_interior_fusebox.htm)

I did some searching online on the inline fuse he shows in the picture on the tech article and found NW Power Products website. They have a downloadable catalog (http://www.wranglernw.com/t-download.aspx) that you can peruse to get some good ideas for "stuff".

I have no idea about their prices as I haven't ordered anything from them but the catalog gave me a lot of ideas. My plan is to install the 2nd fuse box as shown in the Slee tech article but I'll be using 4ga to feed it. Probably overkill but 6ga doesn't seem to exist anywhere and 8ga seemed too small based on the chart found on page 30 of the NW Power Products catalog. I forsee powering the CB, power outlets, maybe an inverter, and who knows what else off it so figure I'd plan big just in case :thumb:

I also found a place online (I like to home shop :hill:) that seems to be good for cable, connections, etc. especially if you can find what you need on close out. They sell a bunch of different manufacturer's stuff like Street Wires. Checkout Mitek Factory Outlet (http://www.mitekfactoryoutlet.com/products/brand.cfm?brand=9), especially the closeouts. No clue if the pricing is good but I got real tired of driving around looking for what I needed/wanted. If you (or anyone else) orders from them once you get your order ready call them for a shipping quote. The online "store" stated it would be like $93 for shipping :eek:. I called and the lady told me the online 'estimator' sucked as it just did a percentage. They boxed up the stuff and UPS ground shipping ended up being $15.

Won't help you with what you want to do for this weekend but just some thoughts for future. I've got all the crap now to do a bling 2nd fuse box install but no time to get it done before Moab so it'll have to wait :(

Romer
04-26-2007, 07:32 AM
Matt I'll be home after 4:30 today until about 7:15, drop by. Mine was a cheap fuse block from pepboys I think. It has a 6 power prongs each with a fuse slot.

You have my cell.

Could meet over lunch if you want to.

ginericLC
04-26-2007, 09:17 AM
This was so helpful that I made it pretty in Word and saved it as a PDF. Thanks, Brian!

Matt,

Put that up on TLCA.org in the Tech Section. Very useful info.

This is the one I use http://12voltguy.com/catalog.0.html3.0.html I bought it at a local Schuck's (Checker,Kragen). I have mine mounted on the DS upper kick panel. I run a fusible link prior to it going the fuse panel.

Romer
04-26-2007, 10:37 AM
The one I have looks very similar to the one on the left