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Romer
05-08-2007, 08:53 AM
First off, big thanks to Robbie for fixing my heater hose and Sarah's actuator and thanks to squishey for tightening my front diff bolts.

On the way there the throttle body heater hose sprung a leak and I overheated 40 miles from Moab. I let it coll down, added water and made it in to town. Robbie used some of my spare hose and replaced it. It was well worn near the throttle body connection and sprung a leak.

Sarah's Rear locker would engage, but would not disengage unless you drove it on pavement in Hi for a bit. Robbie figured out that the actuator that came with the locker (Locker was retrofitted) had been assembled back wards. Most likely fell apart when the PO removed it and he assembled it wrong before shipping. It's also missing the O ring. Robbie re-assembled it correctly and I need to take it off again and sand it down and make an O ring with FPIG. Worked great the rest of the trip.

On Cliff Hanger, my front diff started leaking and squishey climbed under and said the front diff bolts where all loose and looked like the gasket had ripped. Tightened them all up and it went to a very very slow leak, one or two drops an hour. I will need to pull the diff to do it right, but since I don't have time to do that before I head out of town, I bought some permetex and rubbed it into the seam along the bottom and the leak has stopped. Hopefully, this will hold up until I have time to address it properly in July. Didn't want to come back to a puddle in the garage or have someone drive it while I wasn't able to watch the fluid.

My subtank setup died on the way to Moab. Pressed the button right before Glenwood and nothing happened. Troubleshot it in Moab and the subtank was full, but the sender is telling the ECU it's empty (connection to ground) Troubleshoot all the wiring and turns out my sender is bad. Disconnected the sender and it worked great on the way home. I'll order a new sender and drop the tank when I get back and replace it.

Oh, I can't forget that I had problems with my camper. I had 110 volts at all of my outlets and it would not power anything. Being an EE, I tore into the wiring and found no issues. Robbie, walked up to the main plug and saw a prong was bent and it was not making good enough contact to supply any current. Thanks Robbie.

The only other issue is Sarah's truck stalled a couple of times while wheeling, never on the road and I have not addressed that one. Any ideas?


Thanks again to Robbie and Squishey:bowdown: We all had a great time and our carnage was realtively mild.

What's your Moab Carnage?

Red_Chili
05-08-2007, 09:12 AM
My rack mounts broke on a Kane Creek pre-run. I had a squeak, looked at the rack, couldn't see anything wrong, it started squeaking to high heaven, I stopped and found my rack somewhat not straight :eek:. Loaded everything back in the rear of the 4Runner, and put the rack in Squishey's bed, all was good but a tear in my soft top and some paint removed from my cab roof.:rolleyes:

I got 2mpg better on the way home, no kiddin'. That rack might not get reinstalled, at least not permanently!!


Oh, I can't forget that I had problems with my camper. I had 110 volts at all of my outlets and it would not power anything. Being an EE, I tore into the wiring and found no issues. Robbie, walked up to the main plug and saw a prong was bent and it was not making good enough contact to supply any current. Thanks Robbie.
In a brief stint as a motorcycle mechanic, I once disassembled a motorcycle only to discover it was out of gas...:hill: sometimes a little knowledge is worse than less knowledge.:lmao:

Hants
05-08-2007, 09:50 AM
Pre-Moab Carnage: I nearly ripped my driver's door off pushing the LX out of the garage 30 minutes before leaving. :o :o :o

Moab Carnage: I had *way* too much fun driving through mud puddles and up the sand hill on Poison Spyder. Ended up packing the trailer plug with wet sand & mud. The resulting short blew 3 different fuses a little down the trail. Brake fuse prevented shifting out of park. I discovered the shifting problem when I parked my front tires on the edge of a 100' drop, then decided it was "fun" but not "smart" to leave my kids and Mary & Jeremy sitting there. With Ben's help, figured out that a pen in the NSS hole was the quickest way out. While we were trouble-shooting at Milt's after the run, Jeff suggested the trailer harness as a likely source. Sure-enough, cleared the sand & mud and the brake fuse quit blowing. Later I figured out the signal fuse was also blown. 9pm that night, on the road home, I was pulled over by Colorado Highway Patrol for no running lights. Drove to Fruita with hazards and found a 3rd blown fuse.

Then, of course, there's the carnage I created in the Busey camp... :o :eek: :bawl:

treerootCO
05-08-2007, 09:58 AM
Count me in for three birfields. Two of them 2nd gen Longfields. I gassed it full lock when I got home and the two I wheeled on Saturday are seconds from failure. One short side inner axle, all four leaf springs, a right rear shock, and my Orion spit out all it's fluid again. I haven't looked for the leak but there was an awful lot on the trailer after the drive home.

leiniesred
05-08-2007, 10:06 AM
Damage:
10 inches of loose chrome fender trim finally got ripped off by the right front tire.

Repairs:
Pounded the fender seam a little flatter in camp.
Set the radiator fan to turn on sooner.
Jeremy helped me wire my tailpipe a little tighter.

All in all, < 5 minutes of repairs on both the trail and highway. Pretty happy about that!

Kipper
05-08-2007, 10:10 AM
I broke a right rear shock, which was my own fault for being in a hurry and waiting until the last second and a front passenger motor mount. my front shackles gotta go, too short and i need anti-inversions bad. other than that the cheap 60 did great.

There are some others in the club I'm interested in hearing about as well that haven't posted up.

wesintl
05-08-2007, 10:23 AM
It's time to rip off all of my rear bumper so I can open the barn doors. The stockers got all jacked up on spike with no step in the middle for support.

Battery juice was on it's way out all week. Sunday am I could start. Green machine hooked up for a jump and I could never get enough juice to crank. I little pull through slickrock to pop the clutch. I still can't get it to turn over :(

subzali
05-08-2007, 11:01 AM
Wow, Mike broke a lot more than I realized. Or are you just doing preventative maintenance because you know your birfs were assembled wrong?

The Brahma didn't break anything that I'm aware of, still some stuff that's gotta get fixed, but very happy with it seeing I was able to do Fins, Hells, Wipeout Hill and Gemini Bridges plus some expedition-style wheelin' with no problems.

I'm interested in hearing Uncle Ben's final diagnosis...

Red_Chili
05-08-2007, 11:08 AM
Count me in for three birfields. Two of them 2nd gen Longfields. I gassed it full lock when I got home and the two I wheeled on Saturday are seconds from failure. One short side inner axle, all four leaf springs, a right rear shock, and my Orion spit out all it's fluid again. I haven't looked for the leak but there was an awful lot on the trailer after the drive home.
Holy moly. Time to take that beautiful FJ40 body and bolt it to a shortened FZJ80 rolling chassis, doncha think?

I'm lookin' for UB's carnage pix. He figgered it will amount to a Long due to hub leakage, and a pinion & ring gear due to pinion leakage. Mebbe more.
Ricecake is now Rice Krispie.

treerootCO
05-08-2007, 11:19 AM
I am worried he bent his front housing as well.:( We are pretty sure a few teeth are missing off the ring gear up front.

Red_Chili
05-08-2007, 11:30 AM
I know a fella who excels at making straight housings out of bent ones.

Rotating pinions too. And marrying Dana ends to whatever centers. And vice-versa. Not expensive either if you bring him bare housings.

RockRunner
05-08-2007, 11:37 AM
Had a little carnage on Friday when I got stuck on the "Escalator", when I slid back into the hole. I got a small dent/tear under the right tail light where I welded a bracket for the spare tire carrier. The spare also dented in my tail gate some and cracked the plastic "handle" on the back of the 4runner. The window survived so all I need is a couple of pushes from the inside to fix it.
A few small scrapes on the rear bumper and left front fender also thanks to the Escalator.

That is it for carnage, was very happy about that and how the 4Runner did for its first time. I don't know how I wheeled before without those monster tires and super low gearing, it made everything seem easy sort of. I still made a ton of mistakes either choosing my line or to much or little throttle but all in all we survived all intact and with a giant grin on my face :D

16 days till I return to Moab for Memorial day weekend, I can't wait to hit the trails again and show my wife and friends the reason I spend so many lonely nights in the garage...........:thumb:

J Kimmel
05-08-2007, 11:40 AM
sheared one of the two studs on the front housing that holds my leaf spring plates on, decided against Pritchett on Saturday just in case, had to be content with BTR on Friday and being a passenger on Saturday :)

nakman
05-08-2007, 12:23 PM
I got a check engine light on the way down Vail pass, P0401, egr. Was on all week (like 1/3 the 80's I passed through tech inspection). I was pointed to a doodad that I need to remove & clean which should correct the problem, tried last night but can't get it loose. Will tackle again...

I've got some rubbing from the 35's, will lower the bump stops in back just a tad so I kiss the inner fender wells less, and thinking of just lifting the front up another 1".. I hit the bolts that hold the flares on with the outer edge of the tire when at full compressing during extreme baja maneuvers. If more lift doesn't work I'll add to the bumpstops.

cruiserdan
05-08-2007, 12:48 PM
Then, of course, there's the carnage I created in the Busey camp... :o :eek: :bawl:

That reminds me. I still have your glass.........:lmao:

Hulk
05-08-2007, 12:50 PM
I crunched the opening on my tailpipe pretty flat -- several times. I just hogged it out with a long breaker bar and it was fine.

The 80 performed flawlessly on the trail.

Hants
05-08-2007, 12:51 PM
Holy moly. Time to take that beautiful FJ40 body and bolt it to a shortened FZJ80 rolling chassis, doncha think?

Or ARB's?

Hants
05-08-2007, 01:08 PM
That reminds me. I still have your glass.........:lmao:

It's a collector's item: Cup-o-endless-margaritas :guapo:

Bring it to my camp anytime -- free refills for life! I'll have a talk with the bartender and make sure he doesn't share too much joy-juice too fast next time :drool:

I'm glad you're chuckling about it now. :thumb:

I was getting worried that I was going walk into the garage one morning and find a puddle of slag where I park my :Princess:. :eek:

corsair23
05-08-2007, 01:39 PM
Carnage? I drive like a wuss :)

Let's see...Thursday on Porcupine I scraped and banged my way all over the place but the only carnage was a semi-smooshed tailpipe and the power coat marks I left on the rocks :hill:

Friday on Fins and Things I had a green 60 roll backwards into me while parked at the potty stop and dent up the brand new ARB :rant: - This was the same 60 that broke a motor mount on Porcupine Rim on Thursday and then spilled ATF all over their cargo area which promptly started seeping out onto the trail. After rolling back into me they promptly left :(

Saturday on Poison Spider more powder coat losses, more tail pipe denting, and a busted gut seeing Leif stick his 40 and then watching Hants and Ben on the sand hill :thumb:

Aside from a now red colored black vehicle, a ton of sand inside, and about a brazillion pieces of cotton I'd say my wuss driving skills did me good :hill: and if only I had not parked behind the 60 :rolleyes:

BTW, how hot is too hot for an 80 engine? Pulling Vail Pass and Eisenhower the best I could muster was 25 mph. It was a long grind with high RPMs and max temp showed 225 degrees. I actually got to see the stock temp gauge move above 1/2 way :eek:

Beater
05-08-2007, 01:59 PM
I'll play:

I shat out my front license plate on rock chucker (the video is quite funny) nicked my winch cable on an optional obstacle trying to out do chris in the fj, and blew a compressor hose on my compressor.

oh, and my interior got dusty

j

bustanutley
05-08-2007, 02:09 PM
Dented my gas tank, (read under the passenger seat)
Popped a bead, front passenger
Broke front leaf spring mount bolt
Front locker is making bad noises

lots of love marks from BFE and escalator from various half flops.

nuclearlemon
05-08-2007, 02:54 PM
hhmmmm....i actually broke nothing this trip. :D

isotel
05-08-2007, 04:25 PM
Well, Somehow my Exhaust Rotated enough to melt my Tail Light.. we Cut it off at camp with a sawzall, Then it proceeded to melt thru my spring bushings.. so we retrofitted the old piece back on at a different angle, and got new bushings at the Moab Outpost

My Truck keept blowing a Code 43 all week, Electronic Spark Controll.. Still haven't figured that one out. Ran like Crap, but did not hold me back

im kinda pissed off, i didint even scrape my new skid plate.. and no body damage to speak of :o

Edit: i almost forgot, on Poisin spider mesa i blew out the pitman arm seal on my PS box.. my Snap ring was jacked, i managed to get it back in, and get it back to town, got a new snap ring and pulled the pitman arm in the checker parking lot and replaced it!

Hants
05-08-2007, 05:01 PM
I crunched the opening on my tailpipe pretty flat -- several times. I just hogged it out with a long breaker bar and it was fine.

The 80 performed flawlessly on the trail.

Sawzall will fix that tailpipe for you :D

corsair23
05-08-2007, 05:47 PM
While we were trouble-shooting at Milt's after the run, Jeff suggested the trailer harness as a likely source. Sure-enough, cleared the sand & mud and the brake fuse quit blowing. Later I figured out the signal fuse was also blown. 9pm that night, on the road home, I was pulled over by Colorado Highway Patrol for no running lights. Drove to Fruita with hazards and found a 3rd blown fuse.

Bummer Hants...I wondered what was up when you stopped on Main St. and said you were going to head to the wash 'cuz the fuse blew again, because your brake lights were still working at that point :confused: . This explains it :hill:. Next time we'll trouble shoot all the lights to make they work :thumb:

MDH33
05-08-2007, 10:13 PM
My rusty old 40 did pretty well. I went pretty easy on it being a Moab noob and my carb loading up caused a lot of stalling so I avoided some steeps that I should have been able to climb otherwise. Time for a rebuild. :)

Damage: One busted exhuast hanger, malfunctioning CB, lost the bolt to my radiator overflow, and sprung a coolant leak from the thermo housing on the ride home.

Upgrades: I upgraded my gas cap to a nice greasy red shop rag after leaving it in the parking lot of the Canyonlands visitor center. ;)

bigbluefj
05-08-2007, 11:16 PM
small list this year : ecm fuse pre run shake down run around town
ice cream scoop out of a birf on hell's thursday
and a fan relay on friday..

kevin:D :D :beer:

Uncle Ben
05-08-2007, 11:27 PM
Drivers side LongField, front ring gear, rear Aisen Hub. I guess I was due! Hopefully I will get that loose nut behind the wheel fixed!

ScaldedDog
05-09-2007, 02:46 AM
My year old Random Technology cat puked it's guts out on a Poison Spider warmup run. Does that count?

Mark

ginericLC
05-09-2007, 08:54 AM
Drivers side LongField, front ring gear, rear Aisen Hub. I guess I was due! Hopefully I will get that loose nut behind the wheel fixed!

On Rice Cake? I thought you were wheeling your 80? If so, why are you running hubs on the rear?

Fixing the loose nut behing the wheel is improbable. I would bet against any long term repair on that one.:)

Red_Chili
05-09-2007, 09:14 AM
No, you didn't hear. It was on Rice Krispies.















Snap, crackle, pop.

All the cool kids run hubs on the rear. Helps for when the line above applies. I'm working on a set so I can join the club!

Uncle Ben
05-09-2007, 10:16 AM
Speaking of cool kids.... I just talked to Bobby and he is sending me out a brand new set of the latest generation of FZJ-80 Longs and inners. He wants me to send him my old ones so he can check out the wear patterns and of course the breakage. I guess, so far, I'm the only one on little bitty 35's that has broken an 80 Longfield! I did come clean on how I did it and he still stood behind them! Now thats what it takes to be in the Kewl Kids club! BTW I demanded to pay shipping as it was only fair!
No, you didn't hear. It was on Rice Krispies.
















Snap, crackle, pop.

All the cool kids run hubs on the rear. Helps for when the line above applies. I'm working on a set so I can join the club!

Uncle Ben
05-09-2007, 10:27 AM
BTW.... When I get my new R&P (it's on it's way) I'm going to get it and 3 sets of Aisens frozen. Just curious if anyone else want to get some chit together to soften the Cryoing charge. I would suspect next week I'll be ready. Just about anything short of a cage, frame or body will fit in Bill's new tank. Lemeknow....:thumb:

Sidenote: I'm dropping by Yotayard today to get a couple sets of Aisens....anybody need anything?

EDIT: YY is out of straight axle Aisens! Anybody have a couple extra they will sell/lend me. I will snoop out more!

Red_Chili
05-09-2007, 11:27 AM
So... what breaks after the bar is raised on the Aisins and the R&P?
You cryoing your axles?

Red_Chili
05-09-2007, 11:30 AM
OK, need some thoughts. I noticed on Gold Spike that my front ARB is reluctant to disengage.
When the wheel is turned, and the locker is not fully disengaged, I hear clicking reminiscent of a birf in extremis.
When it releases, no clicking. When locked, no clicking.
Worries?
No worries?

Oh, yeah, my O-rings allow gear oil to spray inside my hood. Annoying, but not urgent. When I get a round tuit. Seems to be a short service life IMHO.

Uncle Ben
05-09-2007, 11:43 AM
So... what breaks after the bar is raised on the Aisins and the R&P?
You cryoing your axles?

Axles are 300M heat treated Cromo! The weakest link on an 80 is the high pinion 8" third member. Eventually I will get a diamond front axle housing and use a rear 80 e-locker in the front and sell the mini truck chit to someone with a lighter more appropriate suited vehicle. Hopefully, even frozen and heat treated Aisens will still be a "fuse!" My parts failure wasn't due to weak parts but rather too much go-pedal available. If I can get the loose nut behind the steering wheel tightened up I should be fine! The good thing about what happened was showing others my "secret" line's and enjoying the driving abilities of the great group of folks in my group! It was also quite impressive how well my 80 did in locked rear wheel drive only with the occasional 3/4 turn of one front wheel assistance when absolutely needed! I have no complaints as my "Desert Run" group was a fine bunch of true wheelers! :thumb: :thumb:

BTW....speaking of awesome wheelers....please tell me someone got a vid of Chili owning the Potholes! That thar is some well earned bragging rights!

Uncle Ben
05-09-2007, 11:47 AM
Here ya go Billy....

http://www.myrtlewoodgallery.com/tuitround.jpg
OK, need some thoughts. I noticed on Gold Spike that my front ARB is reluctant to disengage.
When the wheel is turned, and the locker is not fully disengaged, I hear clicking reminiscent of a birf in extremis.
When it releases, no clicking. When locked, no clicking.
Worries?
No worries?

Oh, yeah, my O-rings allow gear oil to spray inside my hood. Annoying, but not urgent. When I get a round tuit. Seems to be a short service life IMHO.

Red_Chili
05-09-2007, 11:47 AM
I feel confident in speaking for Squishy, that he would like to be first on your list for that FJ80 front diff.
RE: its replacement, a Currie 9" HP would make it simple with your steering. Try to break THAT big boy!

You're too kind, UB. The potholes were the result of excellent spotting. Thanks!

Very impressive watching you do Buttscratcher in 2WD!!!!! I remember my wife kinda freaking out first time we did it. Now, it's like nothing. But in 2WD? VERY impressive.

Red_Chili
05-09-2007, 11:49 AM
Here ya go Billy....

http://www.myrtlewoodgallery.com/tuitround.jpg
:lmao::lmao::lmao::bowdown:

ginericLC
05-09-2007, 04:23 PM
Speaking of cool kids.... I just talked to Bobby and he is sending me out a brand new set of the latest generation of FZJ-80 Longs and inners. He wants me to send him my old ones so he can check out the wear patterns and of course the breakage. I guess, so far, I'm the only one on little bitty 35's that has broken an 80 Longfield! I did come clean on how I did it and he still stood behind them! Now thats what it takes to be in the Kewl Kids club! BTW I demanded to pay shipping as it was only fair!

Are there pictures of where this carnage took place? I'm having a hard time imagining how you managed to do this. I've been a subscriber to the theory that if you stuck to 35s you'd be pretty safe on even stock birfs if they were in good shape.

I have a set of hubs in my stash that I really don't have for sale but if you can't scrounge some up locally let me know.

wesintl
05-09-2007, 04:38 PM
Are there pictures of where this carnage took place?


The only place you can do 75-80 on the trail :lmao:

Uncle Ben
05-09-2007, 05:19 PM
Here is a good description of where this happened ....

The trip to our lunch stop took us on a section of trail called "High-speed Mesa" which is a flat expanse of sandy dirt road. I guess it gets its name from the fact that those tackling the "Golden Spike" trail drive like hell to quickly get to the fun obstacles of that trail.

....taken from this (http://www.off-road.com/4x4web/travels/moab-special/poison.htm) article.... :rolleyes: Not really hard to understand .....bored, ported, polished, balanced and supercharged 1FZ being controled by old senile fat man, leaving ground by unexpected berm, landing drivers wheel first on second unexpected berm go boom! Any questions? :rolleyes: :kevin: :birf: :rip:
Are there pictures of where this carnage took place? I'm having a hard time imagining how you managed to do this. I've been a subscriber to the theory that if you stuck to 35s you'd be pretty safe on even stock birfs if they were in good shape.

I have a set of hubs in my stash that I really don't have for sale but if you can't scrounge some up locally let me know.

Rezarf
05-09-2007, 05:31 PM
Not really hard to understand .....bored, ported, polished, balanced and supercharged 1FZ being controled by old senile fat man, leaving ground by unexpected berm, landing drivers wheel first on second unexpected berm go boom! Any questions? :rolleyes: :kevin: :birf: :rip:

:bowdown: :lmao: :eek: :D

Anyone get a video? That would be sweet!

nakman
05-09-2007, 05:32 PM
Well I'm glad :kevin: didn't :flop:, that's more than even :robbie: can fix...

treerootCO
05-09-2007, 06:34 PM
Well I'm glad :kevin: didn't :flop:, that's more than even :robbie: can fix...

that's awesome!

stagecoachco
05-09-2007, 08:38 PM
BTW....speaking of awesome wheelers....please tell me someone got a vid of Chili owning the Potholes! That thar is some well earned bragging rights!

I just posted the Chili in Potholes video. I also posted Uncle Ben being dragged over Golden Spike. You can hear the "snap, crackle, pop" of his rig!!! I also got Squishy's very squishy mini on Golden Spike up.

Chili on Potholes (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNxr1k-cwmw)

Rice Crispy on Golden Spike (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dILsuDY9TQ)

Squishy on Golden Spike (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BaFGrDKZf9M)

Rzeppa
05-10-2007, 12:27 AM
Other than a cracked frame which Peter Straub graciously welded up with Marc Ritchie's onboard welder (steering, who needs stinking steering?!?!?!?) my other issue was a rear bumpette bent to almost match the other one. Left side, Steelbender Cruise Moab 2000, right side Hell's Revenge Cruise Moab 2007. Priceless.

Red_Chili
05-10-2007, 07:52 AM
I just posted the Chili in Potholes video. I also posted Uncle Ben being dragged over Golden Spike. You can hear the "snap, crackle, pop" of his rig!!! I also got Squishy's very squishy mini on Golden Spike up.

Chili on Potholes (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNxr1k-cwmw)

Rice Crispy on Golden Spike (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dILsuDY9TQ)

Squishy on Golden Spike (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BaFGrDKZf9M)
BODAGGIT!!!
Dadgum blocked YouTube at work.....
Can anyone open, save as, and send them to me (zipped, pls)? w_morgan at sprynet dot com. If you can, let the board know so I don't end up with 500M of the same thing over and over.:lmao:

corsair23
05-10-2007, 12:24 PM
Bill,

I didn't think you could save/dl YouTube videos? :dunno:

Hulk
05-10-2007, 12:25 PM
It's possible... Look for a Firefox plugin.

stagecoachco
05-10-2007, 07:02 PM
Chili, let me know if you still need the vids sent. I can send them from my computer (and they will be better quality than YouTube)

Tony

stagecoachco
05-10-2007, 07:10 PM
I went ahead and sent you the potholes vid via yousendit.com (ftp site) since it is so big. I will send Squishy's vid via email.

subzali
05-10-2007, 10:03 PM
It was sad seeing Uncle Ben's rig in that condition, having to get strapped across the Crack. :(

Uncle Ben
05-10-2007, 10:51 PM
I have to agree! On the other hand I was definitely due! Ya gotta have issues once in a while so you respect the fact that nature is stronger than machine! It has been quite a while since I was at the tight end of a strap (snow not included)....I deserved every inch of it! Now that thats over and after my fresh hardware shows up in the brown truck hopefully I will be the other end of the strap again for a long time! :bowdown: :birf: :kevin: :thumb:

Red_Chili
05-11-2007, 09:20 AM
I went ahead and sent you the potholes vid via yousendit.com (ftp site) since it is so big. I will send Squishy's vid via email.
Thanks, man! Great pothole vid, nicely edited. Really underscores UB's flawless spotting.

Kevin, yer gonna have a bulletproof 'minitruck' front diff when you are done I bet. Quick healing to Rice Krispies!