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Red_Chili
06-18-2007, 08:58 PM
What is the reasonable limit on wheel backspacing for a solid axle minitruck? My axle is 3" forward of stock, for turning clearance, BTW. It currently has 3.75" BS wheels, I am considering 2.25" or 2" for a wider stance.

Anybody running these? I know it throws the steering geometry off a tad, but the Chili is remarkably stable at speed. We're not talking THAT much width addition. Also remember, it is a floating rear axle (bearing strength).

ScaldedDog
06-19-2007, 12:13 AM
Hey man. It looks like you're getting things back together. I ran 1.5" spacers (adapters) up front on 3.5" backspace wheels (effectively the same as a 2" BS, with one exception I'll get to in a second) for years. It sure makes steering difficult if the front locker is on! If you're thinking of running spacers plus 2" BS wheels, better include ram assist in the budget.

A lot of the Pirate guys run 2" BS wheels and, IIRC, the wheel itself is actually turned inside out on a lot of them. That translates into the weaker inner bead seal becoming the outer seal, which is a bad thing, unless you're thinking of beadlocks, in which case it's good thing. If you're not, though, I'd stick with adapters. Of course, you could take some of that shiny body money and spend it on something really shiny, like diamonds. :D

Mark

J Kimmel
06-19-2007, 07:54 AM
I think 2" is the shallowest you can get, anything under 3.5" is a reversed shell, which yes Like Mark said puts the inner safety bead out. Google it, or better yet look in the FAQ in the Toyota section on Pirate4x4. I can't remember if they are more prone to losing inner beads...I *think* that reversed wheels are.

FWIW I ran 1.5" spacers like Mark had for 3-4 years also, mostly DD as well. I found the key was install, drive a little bit, pull of wheels and re-torque and re-install wheels. If I didn't(PITA I know) the spacer would come loose. I'm sure its harder on bearings, but with the way we use our vehicles I was in the axle more frequently than your standard 40-50K service interval :)

Good luck!

Red_Chili
06-19-2007, 09:25 AM
I'm running the normal 1.5" spacers to match the rear IFS axle width already. I'm considering Champion beadlocks. Sounds like 2" might be pushing it, maybe 2.5" would be a good choice or whatever is available in that range.

Yeah, someday, a ram assist is in the queue, but an on board welder is higher on the list! CarQuest BlueLine bearings, the budget line, often happen to be Koyo bearings (exact same PN as the Toyota OEM bearing$). So yeah, axle service ain't no thang.

J Kimmel
06-19-2007, 10:21 AM
the nice thing about assist is you're only talking a couple hundred bucks, you've already got a fancy pump and resevoir right?

Red_Chili
06-19-2007, 01:53 PM
Yup, all part of the evil plan...:D

Red_Chili
06-19-2007, 10:37 PM
Anywho, so I will be having the rear fender wells enlarged and going with ~2" backspaced beadlocks and 'glass front fenders, extended. The problem is, rear fender coverage. Bushwacker Cutout flares *might* work, but will require some juggling; they are really intended for the stock opening despite the name.

What options are there besides the cutouts?

Then I had an idea, bordering on sacrilege....:eek: what about stock TJ rear flares? Anybody got some layin' around in decent shape?

I'd be grateful...:clap: Maybe that is the direction I should go. All my Jeep buddies can laugh at me then... I will DEFINITELY have to paint over my bumper decal.

bustanutley
06-20-2007, 12:03 AM
3" is the max without reversing centers

Hulk
06-20-2007, 02:40 AM
Flares: go Icelandic, baby!
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Here's the web site (http://www.brettakantar.is/).

Hulk
06-20-2007, 02:43 AM
I think he does speak English. Here's his e-mail address:
gunnaringvi@brettakantar.is

Red_Chili
06-20-2007, 08:58 AM
Great.
Which one of these is "4Runner Flares"? http://www.brettakantar.is/img/linkAdala.gif (http://www.brettakantar.is/?) http://www.brettakantar.is/img/linkFyrira.gif (http://www.brettakantar.is/?pid=fyrirtaekid) http://www.brettakantar.is/img/linkVoruska.gif (http://www.brettakantar.is/?pid=voruskra) http://www.brettakantar.is/img/linkMynda.gif (http://www.brettakantar.is/?pid=myndir&iUndir=20) http://www.brettakantar.is/img/linkSambanda.gif (http://www.brettakantar.is/?pid=samband)
:eek: :lmao:

I emailed him...

RockRunner
06-20-2007, 03:28 PM
Bill, I am running the 1.5" spacers up front with 2" BS on the rims. It tracks very nice and am able to run 8" rims with the same overal width as I would if I was running 15x10 with 3.75 BS. You are more than welcome to come over and try a wheel or two to see how it looks and or works.

Red_Chili
06-21-2007, 10:41 AM
Thanks, Tom! Hey, you're running steelies though, right?

I feel like a bit of a moron- you guys were trying to tell me 2" BS is not available in alloy. The Champion beadlocks are all 3.75, she said I could send her any alloy wheel and they would beadlock 'em, but 3" BS is all I can find, and the cost for 3/4" seems hardly worth it. I considered the Stauns, and functionally they make a WHOLE lot of sense, but I like the idea of function + bling (don't be givin' me no grief here...), and since I tend to tear up wheels on the rocks, a replaceable ring protects the valve and can be renewed if needed... Could use small adapters (spacers) in the rear, and larger ones in the front. Haven't had issues with adapters.

I guess another thought is going with 15x10s. 3.75 on a 10 nets a bit more width, and if I am correct, results in a bit more road stability due to the sidewall, no? Running 8s now. Drawback being, running low pressure puts the rim right against rocks on any side load. No?

RockRunner
06-21-2007, 04:38 PM
Thanks, Tom! Hey, you're running steelies though, right?

I feel like a bit of a moron- you guys were trying to tell me 2" BS is not available in alloy. The Champion beadlocks are all 3.75, she said I could send her any alloy wheel and they would beadlock 'em, but 3" BS is all I can find, and the cost for 3/4" seems hardly worth it. I considered the Stauns, and functionally they make a WHOLE lot of sense, but I like the idea of function + bling (don't be givin' me no grief here...), and since I tend to tear up wheels on the rocks, a replaceable ring protects the valve and can be renewed if needed... Could use small adapters (spacers) in the rear, and larger ones in the front. Haven't had issues with adapters.

I guess another thought is going with 15x10s. 3.75 on a 10 nets a bit more width, and if I am correct, results in a bit more road stability due to the sidewall, no? Running 8s now. Drawback being, running low pressure puts the rim right against rocks on any side load. No?

I am running steelies with the valve stems moved to the middle.

I looked into the Stauns and may go with those, they work great from what I have read and seen.

My deal with going with the 2" BS is that the inside of the tires do not rub at all on the truck. I could maybe go up to 15" wide tires and still have no problem rubbing the inner fender well.

Not sure about the low pressure and 8" rims, the wider the rim the straighter the sidewall, so with 8" rims you have more of a bulge that protects the rim but leaves the sidewall exposed.

Just go fo rthe in between rims, 15x9 with 2.5" BS I believe Walker Evans makes them, may be 16 or 17' rims..............very pricey and very bling!!:thumb:

Red_Chili
06-22-2007, 12:05 AM
I'm guessing Champion beadlocks are 15x9... seeing as how they start life as 15x8? The thought just occurred to me.

Uncle Ben
06-22-2007, 08:36 AM
I'm guessing Champion beadlocks are 15x9... seeing as how they start life as 15x8? The thought just occurred to me.

Beadlocks are different as yes technically when they are created the bead moves out 1/2 - 3/4" but the width will vary depending on tire used. For instance a set of TSL/Bogger/SX's will stick out nearly 1.5" further so that would make the wheel a 10.5 wide.

Cheese
06-25-2007, 09:29 PM
Glass and flares? Let it ride.

I have never seen an AL wheel with 2" BS.

My OMF beadlocks started out as 15x7's and are just over 8 with a lock. I have Diamonds so no spacers up front.

Not sure how much good going to a 9" wheel is going to be by the seat of the pants from the driver's seat if you keep the same BS.

Assist without spacers makes a really nice steering front end.