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87Xota
07-13-2007, 04:02 PM
My names Terry, I run a bodyshop in Northglenn and Bill has brought me his truck and a donor body and frame. I'll be doing some repairs on the donor body as well as swapping it over to Bill's frame. A complete repaint will be done and Bill's rig will be back as good as ever.

Some of you may have heard of my rig The Xota, I am the crazy guy that put a 4.0ltr Jeep Engine and a XJ front clip on a Toyota cab and modified frame. I don't think Bill knew that when he first considered me for this project, and it's too late now. :)

I'll try to keep the pic's coming as we go thru this body swap

This morning I got the donor body unbolted from the frame
http://thexota.org/d/6262-1/Dsc03433.jpg

I started looking the body over and Bill and I were already aware of a couple of rust spots on the left body side.

As is usually the case with rust repairs, there's more under the surface than you can usually see from the outside. In this case the rust is not too bad, but the quarter has been repaired before, you can see a couple of spots where I ground thru the paint and the pink stuff underneath is body filler. To repair it properly, all the old bondo should be ground off to bare metal.

http://thexota.org/d/6268-1/Dsc03440.jpg

This rust spot is further back on the quarter and even thought it's bigger, it should be easier to repair since there isn't bondo all around it.

http://thexota.org/d/6271-1/Dsc03441.jpg

87Xota
07-13-2007, 04:07 PM
So after speaking with Bill, I ground off the bondo'd area
http://thexota.org/d/6286-1/Dsc03446.jpg

It was laid on way to thick, hard to see but over 1/4" here at the flare
http://thexota.org/d/6274-1/Dsc03442.jpg

Probably about 2 quarters thick all the way across the area
http://thexota.org/d/6280-1/Dsc03444.jpg


I hate to see work like that, i'm surprised it wasn't coming off in big chunks.

I am going to do a little bit of exploratory grinding around the body to see if there is anymore bondo or rust issues. Bill may consider having me splice in a section from his body, or replace the entire outer quarter panel is another option. Or another body may be the answer.

Bill and I will explore his options on this repair and i'll post up more later.

Terry

nakman
07-13-2007, 09:34 PM
Wow!! thanks for posting this up Terry (and Bill) I definitely look forward to watching the progress here.. :drink:

Red_Chili
07-16-2007, 07:49 AM
There may be part of the original Red Chili on the reborn Red Chili's body. Only fitting. Kinda disappointing though, I paid a premium for the donor body. I'll have to negotiate a bit, though the money is going to a good cause.

Yeah, Terry, I placed you as soon as you started to mention the Xota. Actually I thought it was pretty cool, and figured that nothing on the Chili was going to throw you a curve after THAT!

Red_Chili
07-16-2007, 08:07 AM
IIRC someone wanted to see pix of the carnage. It doesn't look bad, really, but the body is pushed down in the rear because the roll bar took some weight along with the Can-Back hoops. So the body is pushed into the frame just a bit.
http://thexota.org/d/6238-1/Dsc03426.jpg

The A-pillar is a bit complicated to fix. The pass. side door was crushed in the hinge area as well, and I get to make a new one. Maybe I can weld better this time?
http://thexota.org/d/6235-1/Dsc03424.jpg

This side *almost* escaped damage, and may donate some parts for the donor body. I have REALLY become a believer in that extra tube the rear bumper uses to locate the upper hinge, I put it there to stabilize the spare, but it has saved my butt (Billy make a funny) many times, including this time:
http://thexota.org/d/6241-1/Dsc03427.jpg

87Xota
07-16-2007, 12:22 PM
Bill decided to go with the white donor body and i'll be posting the body repairs on it as we go

I am starting with stripping down the firewall and engine compartment so that red paint can be sprayed.

http://thexota.org/d/6990-1/Dsc03452.jpg

After unbolting a few things, it's ready for paint prep
http://thexota.org/d/6993-1/Dsc03453.jpg

wesintl
07-16-2007, 12:26 PM
Sweet! Thanks for posting pics. It will be fun to follow the progress :thumb:

87Xota
07-16-2007, 12:26 PM
I already have a pretty good pile of old parts building
http://thexota.org/d/6996-1/Dsc03455.jpg

Red_Chili
07-16-2007, 12:33 PM
Let me know when you want me to bring the fenders and at least a driver's seat by... I can haul all the extry parts either back to Oleg or to the dump for you. As long as they fit in my Taco.

This is EXCITING to watch! Never had a vehicle fixed on the web before. Great way to communicate details remotely!

87Xota
07-16-2007, 01:35 PM
Yeah I like doing it this way, whether i send pics in PM's as we have done or post in a thread, it makes it alot easier to hammer out problems or issues that arise.

Hulk
07-16-2007, 02:24 PM
Really cool to watch this as it happens. Keep it up!!

Red_Chili
07-17-2007, 07:03 AM
We talked about methods of opening up the wheel wells without weakening the structure, having putty on the most vulnerable part of the new well, etc. This is getting interesting. I told Terry if he comes up with a good looking, strong means of opening up the well and extending tire coverage, he is gonna have 4Runner owners lining up to the street over there.

He didn't like my Gorilla Warflares though. Dorky. :bawl: (My words, not his, he is too polite for that...:lol: )

Hulk
07-17-2007, 08:16 AM
Did you ever hear back from the guy from Iceland?

87Xota
07-17-2007, 11:24 AM
We talked about methods of opening up the wheel wells without weakening the structure, having putty on the most vulnerable part of the new well, etc. This is getting interesting. I told Terry if he comes up with a good looking, strong means of opening up the well and extending tire coverage, he is gonna have 4Runner owners lining up to the street over there.

He didn't like my Gorilla Warflares though. Dorky. :bawl: (My words, not his, he is too polite for that...:lol: )

Been working on that for awhile this morning, a little too early to tell if what i'm trying, is gonna look good, but i'll post up some pics later and we'll see what it looks like.

Painter is working on prepping your engine compartment now and he might spray it today.

Also worked on Greg's for awhile this morning and just about got the radiator support swapped over. His is going to get primer late today or tomorrow.

Red_Chili
07-17-2007, 12:46 PM
Bodaggit. Cheeseman is gonna be wheeling before I am!



Mine'll be purtier though. :D

Red_Chili
07-17-2007, 12:53 PM
Did you ever hear back from the guy from Iceland?
Nope. Not in English, not in Icelandic (or whatever...), not nuttin'.

Rezarf
07-17-2007, 04:05 PM
Cool thread, thanks for posting!

Bill, sorry to see the Red Chili shots... RIP. :(

Glad to see you are going to restore her.. ehr, him?.. uhh... it:D

I considered calling my 40 "Lazarus" after raising it from the dead. ;)

Drew

Red_Chili
07-18-2007, 06:42 AM
Red Chili I met its demise, but parts live on in Red Chili II.

This will be Red Chili 2.5! It will be about as far as I want to take an expedition rig. If Terry does what I think he will, mebbe I should enter the CHILI in a hot rod show! (not against the raffle truck of course... then again, it would be pretty cool for Rising Sun vehicles to get first and second, eh! I could live with a second or third... :lmao:)

I expect I will turn into a complete wuss on the trail. "What? Come within six inches of that tree/rock??!? No way. I'll take the bypass.":eek: :lmao:

SROR/AKA 2BAD
07-18-2007, 09:31 PM
i think you need to figure out how 2 tube the inside of the fenders. without the tube being seen ;)

Red_Chili
07-19-2007, 09:31 AM
Terry is working on that. The tube will be exterior though, to gain tire coverage to keep the Beehive State's Finest happy.

Cheeseman
07-19-2007, 10:59 AM
Bill got me to the place he is having his work done. They are pretty good people. I have seen the mock up of the rear fender mod. Looks interesting. It will be fun to see what Bill agrees to.
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Red_Chili
07-20-2007, 09:18 AM
turns out, not likely. Terry doesn't like the way it turned out. In fact, he doesn't like other options either. The wheel well may remain stock but with a 1" BL.
[edit] It's official, new quarter panel even. Bone stock. Just a kudo for Terry, because he did exploratory surgery and feels he should have been more cautious, he is eating the quarter panel, just charging me the labor he would have anyway. :thumb:
Y'all should consider him seriously if you have body work to do.

FWIW, Bradford Auto Body never even called me back and made it pretty clear they were not interested in taking over a job already started.:rant: Didn't even want to discuss it.

87Xota
07-20-2007, 03:49 PM
painter sprayed the engine compartment today

It's RED

http://thexota.org/d/7032-1/Dsc03483.jpg

Before
http://thexota.org/d/6993-1/Dsc03453.jpg

Red_Chili
07-23-2007, 07:16 AM
Doncha just love the web?:rolleyes:
It ain't orangey-pink as it appears above, its VERY RED. And VERY SHINEY.:cool:
Gonna have to steam clean the motor monthly!:thumb:

RockRunner
07-23-2007, 11:05 AM
Doncha just love the web?:rolleyes:
It ain't orangey-pink as it appears above, its VERY RED. And VERY SHINEY.:cool:
Gonna have to steam clean the motor monthly!:thumb:

Better get a nice and powerfull steam cleaner to get all that road grim and de-icer of there :cool: :thumb:

87Xota
07-23-2007, 03:11 PM
Bill we measured your frame this morning and nothing was out of spec. Biggest variation was 3mm and that is well within the specs the factory builds them at.

That doesn't surprise me, one of the toughest frames we ever have to pull, are the Toyota truck frames, they are tough!

I didn't try and pull your spare tire carrier out yet, as I would need to turn it around on the frame rack and clamp it down.

I think i'll get the body off first and then i'll probably roll just the frame over to the rack, saves me alot of work getting access to clamp the frame down.

Red_Chili
07-24-2007, 07:16 AM
Awesome. The batteries are hanging from the rear deck of the body, you probably knew that. Let me know when you pull the body; I want to reroute the battery cables when they are accessible, and I have a new heavier duty solenoid to put in when it is convenient (same location and same bolt holes).

Let me know any questions you have on any of the custom stuff - I know that can be a pain and I can scoot up there to help in the afternoon after 3-ish with a day's notice (so I can drive instead of light rail).

Beater
07-24-2007, 07:20 AM
Gonna have to steam clean the motor monthly!:thumb:

And how is this a change for you?

Red_Chili
07-24-2007, 08:22 AM
Slight increase in frequency...:lmao:

87Xota
07-24-2007, 12:13 PM
Spent the morning on the dash and I got all the wiring looms on the right side of the dash, unhooked and pulled thru the firewall
http://thexota.org/d/7130-1/Dsc03534.jpg

http://thexota.org/d/7127-1/Dsc03533.jpg

Took lot's of pics like these that I can refer to later, so hopefully I get everything back together like it was before.

http://thexota.org/d/7119-1/Dsc03513.jpg

http://thexota.org/d/7123-1/Dsc03516.jpg

http://thexota.org/d/7126-1/Dsc03521.jpg

Red_Chili
07-24-2007, 01:03 PM
The way I did those center switches is a pain in the butt. Don't sweat those too much, I plan on cleaning that up (following the lead of how my son did his, so there, Squishy!). The ARB arrangement is of course designed to be a pain in the butt.

I have Royal Purple PS fluid for when you put that back together (the PS pump is unhappy with anything else). I also have Valvoline synth brake fluid I can bring by, and can bleed the brakes & clutch painlessly if you like. Let me know if I need to pick up any Toy parts, and it occurs to me you will need new PS fluid cooler attachment zip ties most likely unless you can finagle getting the rad, PS cooler, and condenser out in one piece.

P.S. this would be a good time to delete the aftermarket cruise control harness that is no longer in use! It's taped off in the engine bay. Your prerogative of course.

87Xota
07-30-2007, 02:59 PM
I finally have some progress to show

Cut off Bill's sliders so I can get the hoist under the body.

http://thexota.org/d/7225-2/Dsc03564.jpg

Wasn't welded on there very good, it only took about six cut off discs to get them off :p:
http://thexota.org/d/7226-1/Dsc03565.jpg

http://thexota.org/d/7220-1/Dsc03562.jpg

And the body is FINALLY off of Bill's frame, that's Greg's truck in the booth about to get a new coat of paint.

http://thexota.org/d/7229-1/Dsc03567.jpg


I've got so many bodys and frames here in the shop, hope I don't get all confused and put the wrong combination together;)

Red_Chili
07-31-2007, 07:28 AM
Cheeseman, don't you get any ideas about parts upgrades!!

Shark Bait
07-31-2007, 08:16 AM
Which body part(s) is this work costing you guys? :eek: :grinpimp:

Red_Chili
07-31-2007, 11:05 AM
I dunno, let me SIT on it and think a while...

Thank goodness for good insurance. I highly recommend Traveller's, and HRH Insurance Agency here locally.:thumb:
:cheers:

corsair23
07-31-2007, 11:49 AM
It might just be me but the amount of body lift is the last picture seems just a tad excessive :eek: :lmao:

Seriously though, Bill and Terry this is SOOOO :cool: to get to read and watch :thumb:

87Xota
07-31-2007, 01:24 PM
Today I got the old Chili Pepper body onto the donor frame (or Gregs frame or something, I'm easily confused) It still needs alot of stuff removed and put on the new body, but everything underneath is off.

Then I got the new body back on the hoist, and i'm gonna start replacing the quarter panel before I put it on the frame.

http://thexota.org/d/7262-1/Dsc03576.jpg

The factory attaches the quarter panel with spot welds around the perimeter and you can usually find the tell tale circular dimples that need to be drilled out.
http://thexota.org/d/7241-1/Dsc03577.jpg

Here I've marked a bunch of the spot welds. When I drill, i'll use about a 5/16" drill bit and I will only drill thru the top layer of metal, more on that later.
http://thexota.org/d/7244-1/Dsc03578.jpg

I could just go ahead and start drilling, but i prefer to cut the most of the quarter panel off first, and leave just the edges, that makes it a lot easier for me to remove the edges of the quarter panels. no matter how carefully I drill and grind off the spot welds, it usually takes some chiselling and prying to get the edges loose.

Using a combination of a cut off wheel and an air shear, I'll make cuts inside the edges to remove most of the panel
http://thexota.org/d/7247-1/Dsc03579.jpg

http://thexota.org/d/7250-1/Dsc03581.jpg

http://thexota.org/d/7265-1/Dsc03597.jpg

I'll stay close to the edges where I can and trim back to the edges wherever I can't make my initial cut real close.
http://thexota.org/d/7253-1/Dsc03584.jpg

http://thexota.org/d/7256-1/Dsc03587.jpg

Here you see part of the quarter panel and it folds over the tailgate inner panel, once i drill off the spot welds, it will be easy to remove
http://thexota.org/d/7259-1/Dsc03592.jpg

Excuse me if i get too long winded or boring showing this process, some may find it interesting I hope!

Red_Chili
07-31-2007, 01:32 PM
Ooooooooooo yes. VERY interesting. For those who dare to do it at home.

Me, if it is 1/4" thick, I'll give it a go. That thin stuff gets a mind of its own IME.

nakman
07-31-2007, 01:47 PM
Dang, this is cool to watch. :popcorn:

Rezarf
07-31-2007, 02:26 PM
bravo!

Shark Bait
07-31-2007, 04:11 PM
Just think, you guys will be twins when you're done. :eek: :lmao:

87Xota
07-31-2007, 04:32 PM
When I have access I grind off the spot weld and outer layer of metal, if i don't have enough room for the grinder, I'll use a drill.
http://thexota.org/d/7271-1/Dsc03600.jpg

Then I can peel off the strip of metal with a little help from an air chisel when needed
http://thexota.org/d/7268-1/Dsc03601.jpg

Then I prep the surface for the new panel to be welded on
http://thexota.org/d/7274-1/Dsc03603.jpg

Same thing for the top and sides
http://thexota.org/d/7277-1/Dsc03606.jpg

http://thexota.org/d/7280-1/Dsc03607.jpg

87Xota
07-31-2007, 05:40 PM
Now I can set the new quarter panel on the body and mark it for where I want to drill holes to spot weld
http://thexota.org/d/7283-1/Dsc03608.jpg

http://thexota.org/d/7286-1/Dsc03610.jpg

Red_Chili
07-31-2007, 07:35 PM
Wow, you're fast.

Don't forget to clearance the lower corners of the wheel well to clear 35s, I had to clearance the original with a Big Friendly Hammer on the front, a sawzall and POR15 putty in the rear (which is not the best way) - of course you will do it with more finesse!

Did the 4Runner plastic cab panels come off cleanly? Or do I need to order a pair?

Also, curious how you're gonna deal with the inner fender where it was cut... ??? Gonna add material so you can fold it factory style?

Cheeseman
07-31-2007, 09:43 PM
Wow, Been gone for a week with the Boy Scouts training youth leaders and look what gets done. I stopped in the past monday morning and mine was in primer. Now I see he is buffing mine out in the background. The nice thing about Bill's is that his will be running when he gets his back. I will have to transfer all the electical and such over to this nice shiny newly painted body. And then swap it over. I have one of my Assistant Scoutmasters who drinks a mean beer that owns a shop just down the block from my house with lifts so that part will be easy. But we'll see if I can rebuild a 4runner and turn the key. So I'm jealous of Bill but twins, I don't know??? I am very grateful for Bill letting me know about Terry's shop.
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87Xota
08-01-2007, 05:15 AM
Also, curious how you're gonna deal with the inner fender where it was cut... ??? Gonna add material so you can fold it factory style?

The cleanest way is to replace the inner panel, they aren't available new, but the one on the old body is good.

My intention is to do what I would do if it were my own truck, carefully cut out the one from the old body, and install it on the new body.

Red_Chili
08-01-2007, 08:58 AM
Sweet. Terry Dunrite.

farnhamstj
08-01-2007, 09:02 AM
Looking good guys. Great to see the progress.

87Xota
08-01-2007, 12:08 PM
I have most of the interior stripped out of Bill's old body now (Bill's body is old :) )

http://thexota.org/d/7289-1/Dsc03617.jpg

Quite a pile of parts removed this morning. Ever get that feeling that you're in way over your head?
http://thexota.org/d/7292-1/Dsc03619.jpg

Then I did the worlds fastest inner quarter removal, using the torch to cut around the inside edges and the shears for the outer panels.

http://thexota.org/d/7295-1/Dsc03621.jpg

Once I trim the metal off of the wheel house, it will install like a new panel.

I'm gonna have to stop on Bill's now for a day or two, but i'll post pics of the inner quarter work once I get back on it.

ArloGuthroJeep
08-01-2007, 06:47 PM
Looks like enough space to fit some 44's if you just finish off that trim job like that :D

87Xota
08-02-2007, 12:24 PM
I had a little more time available this morning than I thought I would.

So I worked on Bill's some more

Now I will remove the inner quarter panel that needs replaced, I first locate the spot welds
http://thexota.org/d/7323-1/Dsc03626.jpg

Then drill them out with a 5/16" drill bit, I am only gonna drill deep enough to penetrate the top panel
http://thexota.org/d/7326-1/Dsc03627.jpg

After they are all drilled out, I use an air chisel to help me split the panel off
http://thexota.org/d/7329-1/Dsc03628.jpg
http://thexota.org/d/7332-1/Dsc03629.jpg

Some areas that are covered with undercoating are real hard to find the spot welds, but if you use a flat grinding disc you can sand off the undercoating and see where the spot welds are
http://thexota.org/d/7335-1/Dsc03630.jpg

Once the panel is off I prep the weld surface
http://thexota.org/d/7338-1/Dsc03632.jpg

Then I coat that surface, and i'll coat the mating surface of the replacement panel with weld thru primer
http://thexota.org/d/7341-1/Dsc03633.jpg

Then I fit the panel up against the body and mark the locations where I will grind off some of the weld thru primer that I just put on. That weld thru primer protects the metal mating surfaces between the welds, and because it has a high zinc content, the weld heat will not burn it off.
http://thexota.org/d/7344-1/Dsc03636.jpg

Then i will clamp the panel in place, and I am going to fit the outer quarter panel onto the vehicle and make sure this inner panel is properly aligned, before I weld it on
http://thexota.org/d/7353-1/Dsc03641.jpg

After setting the outer panel on, I found that the inner panel needs to be a little higher
http://thexota.org/d/7347-1/Dsc03638.jpg

So I lossened the clamps and raised it up a touch and now the outer panel fits good
http://thexota.org/d/7350-1/Dsc03639.jpg

So now I can take the outer panel back off and weld the inner panel on.

More later

Red_Chili
08-02-2007, 12:30 PM
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87Xota
08-02-2007, 04:51 PM
Then I start spot welding, i've found that if the two panels are clamped tightly together it's alot easier to fill the hole in this thin sheet metal, if it's a spot where you can't get vice grips on it, drill a small hole next to the spot and use a sheet metal screw to draw the panels together, then you can remove the sheetmetal screw and fill that small hole easily.

http://thexota.org/d/7354-1/Dsc03642.jpg

Then spread some seam sealer on the seams
http://thexota.org/d/7359-1/Dsc03643.jpg

Then cover your lousy looking welds :p: and as much of the panel as you want with undercoating
http://thexota.org/d/7360-1/Dsc03645.jpg

And now it's ready for the outer quarter panel
http://thexota.org/d/7363-1/Dsc03646.jpg

Shark Bait
08-02-2007, 08:33 PM
Looks great! How long did that little job take? :rolleyes:

87Xota
08-02-2007, 09:08 PM
Well what you see in todays posts, I have about 4.5 hours into. I also spent about 1.5 hours preparing the replacement inner quarter panel that I torched out yesterday, trimming the excess metal and prepping surfaces.

It's alot of work that I could have avoided, I got a little carried away when I was trying to come up with a better way to open up those wheel wells, and I cut off too much of that inner quarter. But that's the way it goes sometimes. I made the mistake, but I feel good about the way I fixed it.

And it's work that I enjoy. it's nice to get out of the office sometimes and back into the shop.

Red_Chili
08-03-2007, 07:45 AM
We used to call it the management VVO.

Vestigial Vocational Organ.:lmao:

87Xota
08-03-2007, 01:01 PM
Moving on to installing the outer quarter panel

Pretty much the same process as the inner, I coated all the prepped weld surfaces with weld thru primer, fit the quarter on to the vehicle and marked all the spots that need the primer ground off, then pulled the quarter off and ground the primer off
http://thexota.org/d/7366-1/Dsc03647.jpg

http://thexota.org/d/7369-1/Dsc03648.jpg

Then I put the quarter back on the vehicle, clamped it around the perimeter in a few spots, then I started with the bottom and welded a few spots. I will skip around the panel making spot welds, so I spread out the heat and don't warp the panel.

http://thexota.org/d/7375-1/Dsc03652.jpg

I try to always have a clamp tightly holding the two panels together to get a good weld. Welding this thin stuff is tricky, I only weld with very quick pulls on the trigger, and I watch the color of the weld puddle, if it starts to look yellow, I stop until it cools a little but not too much, I try and keep it red so that it all flows together, but not yellow to where it melts thru the metal.

http://thexota.org/d/7374-2/Dsc03651.jpg

Up on top of the panel I really have to do good, this area is in plain view when the top is off, I will grind on those spot welds, but they need to be pretty good before I grind, in order to come out nice.
http://thexota.org/d/7378-1/Dsc03653.jpg

wesintl
08-03-2007, 01:23 PM
:drink: :headbang:

Red_Chili
08-03-2007, 01:40 PM
I think this quarter is gonna outlast the rest of the truck!
How do you prevent water/rust from coming up that bottom pinch weld area? Not Toyota's best design...

87Xota
08-03-2007, 02:33 PM
Shame on you Bill, berating Toyota design :)

It's actually how everybody does pinch seams, but Toyota has a built in drain.

In this picture near the front you can see a circular chanel, that is so that whatever water ends up inside the panel, can drain out. It's a good idea until that channel gets plugged with mud or debris, then water stays up inside that quarter.

http://thexota.org/d/7369-1/Dsc03648.jpg

Now everybody go out under their Toyotas with a piece of wire or a drill bit and clean out those channels that you'll see in several places along the pinch seam. I know you'll be tempted to plug them but don't. Water can get inside that quarter from lot's of places and it needs to be able to drain.

87Xota
08-03-2007, 06:39 PM
Well I turned my bodyman Ruben loose on the rest of the weld up of the quarter panel. He's better and faster than I at it, plus it was hot today and i'm lazy!

Here's the top of the quarter where he welded and then ground the welds smooth
http://thexota.org/d/7387-1/Dsc03657.jpg

http://thexota.org/d/7390-1/Dsc03658.jpg

Then Bill came by and we determined the final body lift heigth
http://thexota.org/d/7384-1/Dsc03656.jpg

Looks like Bill's feeling pretty good about it
http://thexota.org/d/7381-1/Dsc03655.jpg

Red_Chili
08-04-2007, 07:14 AM
Plus getting at the motor won't even require opening the hood! Can't wheel it without rolling you say? Meh. I'm done with that, I'm building me a mall crawler!!!:cool: :hill:

Myredyota
08-04-2007, 09:56 AM
Bill,
You obviously didn't get your body lift from 4Crawler!:hill: What kind of vibrations can you expect with 15" steel body pucks?:lmao:

RockRunner
08-04-2007, 04:24 PM
Are you going to use bead lock rims? Would make it easier to swap out bodies..............

87Xota
08-07-2007, 04:44 PM
I put my Bodyman Ruben back on Bill's today, he'll be repairing the small dents in the rt. quarter and also welding closed some holes.
http://thexota.org/d/7402-1/Dsc03662.jpg

http://thexota.org/d/7405-1/Dsc03664.jpg



I started stripping out the ratty carpet from this donor body
http://thexota.org/d/7399-1/Dsc03661.jpg

So I can cut out the floor for the rear shifter.
http://thexota.org/d/7408-1/Dsc03666.jpg
http://thexota.org/d/7411-1/Dsc03668.jpg



I know Bill's gonna be upset, but now we can get rid of those 15" body spacers and get a more workable 1" spacer on there. Sorry Bill!

:p: :p: :p:

87Xota
08-07-2007, 04:53 PM
There's six, 10mm holes along the rocker for a chrome moulding that is on some 4runners, and those need to be welded closed, there's also the two holes for the rock guard on the rear wheel well and the top one is pretty big, about 12mm square.

Ruben's using a scrap piece of sheet metal that he holds in the hole and welds around half of it, then he can cut off the metal flush with the body, tap it inward a litle, and finish welding around the hole.

http://thexota.org/d/7414-1/Dsc03672.jpg

Red_Chili
08-08-2007, 07:35 AM
Man, this pristine donor body is requiring a bit more work than I had figgered... :(

Don't forget to nibble the floor for the main shift lever too! 3" forward from stock. Hence, the 'creative' shifter angles to miss the radio! I may want to steal some floor pieces from around the shifter from the old body before we recycle it into raw Jeep material (did I say that? I mean, Chevy material, yeah, that's it...), I have an idea for a cleaner shift console this time.

Uncle Ben
08-08-2007, 07:37 AM
Man, this pristine donor body is requiring a bit more work than I had figgered... :(

Don't forget to nibble the floor for the main shift lever too! 3" forward from stock. Hence, the 'creative' shifter angles to miss the radio!

Got second mortgage? :eek:

Red_Chili
08-08-2007, 07:43 AM
Got good insurance coverage. Shouldn't be exceeding it by all that much in fact. Terry is being kind to me - FYI, if you are considering body work this is the place to gitterdun for sure.

Still debating the merits of new beadlock$.

87Xota
08-08-2007, 08:01 AM
Don't forget to nibble the floor for the main shift lever too! 3" forward from stock. Hence, the 'creative' shifter angles to miss the radio!

Ah, I didn't realize it needs to be cut forward


before we recycle it into raw Jeep material

That ones gonna cost ya! :mad:

Red_Chili
08-08-2007, 08:03 AM
DOH!
Ah, but... but... having already been through the fire, the steel graduates to a jeep... Did I spin it better?

I should be a politician. :lmao:

87Xota
08-09-2007, 10:53 AM
Yes you'd make a fine politician Bill (is that something you want to be?)

Anyways, we swapped out the 15" wheel spacers for the 1" pucks

http://thexota.org/d/7417-1/Dsc03673.jpg

And here's the actual ride height and the body being prepped for paint
http://thexota.org/d/7423-1/Dsc03678.jpg

http://thexota.org/d/7426-1/Dsc03683.jpg

In the mean time Ruben is working on the doors, don't know how you get door dings in a truck this tall.
http://thexota.org/d/7420-1/Dsc03676.jpg

AxleIke
08-09-2007, 11:41 AM
Yes you'd make a fine politician Bill (is that something you want to be?)

Anyways, we swapped out the 15" wheel spacers for the 1" pucks

And here's the actual ride height and the body being prepped for paint
http://thexota.org/d/7423-1/Dsc03678.jpg

http://thexota.org/d/7426-1/Dsc03683.jpg


Can i ask why there is only a hub on one side, and not the other here? Or is that just a trick of the light?

Rezarf
08-09-2007, 11:52 AM
Can't wait to see it in Paint!:beer:

Red_Chili
08-09-2007, 12:45 PM
Can i ask why there is only a hub on one side, and not the other here? Or is that just a trick of the light?
Yes, you can ask.























Mario.

Red_Chili
08-09-2007, 12:50 PM
Can't wait to see it in Paint!:beer:
You think YOU wanna see it in paint!!!!!
She sits a bit high when nothing is bolted on!
Regards the door dings- they happened in Red Chili's former life as an SUV. Once I drove it to work and parked, and a woman opened her door into it - BANG! - while I was sitting listening to the radio. She didn't even look up, collected her stuff, closed her door and marched into the office.

When I came around and looked, her door had a nice rockslider-shaped new crease in the edge.:lmao:


OK, OK, the hub- I had it locked on slickrock after a rain, and turned tight. BAM. My wife and I looked at each other, "THAT wasn't good!" we said. Thought I had managed to bust a FRORF chromo rear axle.

Nope- stripped a stock Toyota flange. Replaced with my spare hub and off we went, good as new, splines totally unaffected. Only to roll the next day.

87Xota
08-09-2007, 05:07 PM
My guy's are really moving on the repairs today. The left half door got one hole up by the mirror welded shut, and a pretty good sized dent down below repaired.
http://thexota.org/d/7435-1/Dsc03692.jpg

Bill did the work of turning this door into a new right side half door, we have just a couple of areas that are gorund to metal and need some body work
http://thexota.org/d/7432-1/Dsc03691.jpg

Then the door goes to Jamie and he'll mask and prime the doors, and the hood at the same time he primes the truck side panels.
http://thexota.org/d/7438-1/Dsc03693.jpg

http://thexota.org/d/7441-1/Dsc03694.jpg

Matter of fact I hear the sound of the paint gun in the paint shop so he's doing his first coat of primer now.

I'll have some pic's in the morning I think of some gray parts and panels.

Bill probably doesn't really care if he sees them though, I think i'll make him wait until Monday, told him he would pay for that Jeep comment :thumb:

wesintl
08-09-2007, 05:12 PM
Wow that is fast and looks great. I might have to see if I can come up with some $ to get the 70 some new paint. I think it's time we stick this til it's done...

Shark Bait
08-09-2007, 05:31 PM
This is way cool to watch the progress. Thanks! :clap:

Evrgrnmtnman
08-09-2007, 05:43 PM
Excuse me for asking this! But after looking at the pictures and thinking of the man hours(labor) involved in doing this. Wouldn't you just be better off finding another 4Runner and doing a swap on the parts or buying a new FJ? This just seems like a lot of money for maybe something that get's dinged up again..But that's just my humble opinion.....

Red_Chili
08-10-2007, 08:58 AM
Oh, sure... Monday morning quarterbacking...:lmao:
You should have seen all the cheap flawless bodies I suddenly heard about for $200 after we started this project!:eek:

In fact, what you suggest is what a lot of guys do. However, consider this: we would be talking doing a motor swap with driveline relocation, axle swap, and all the bits I have done to the truck over the last 4 years. Doing this myself would simply not happen in a timely manner, because I no longer have the time (nor the space really). Paying someone else to do it would not be covered by insurance at all, and would be astronomically expensive.

A body swap is much easier despite all the infinite details. Lots of guys take this route too, as did Cheeseman (though he is doing all the swap work hisself:bowdown: ). It may be that mechanical work is not daunting to most of us, while body work is! The dark arts, as it were.

Terry is able to do this mostly keeping with the insurance estimate with some extras that would not be covered, which I expected. The 'pristine' donor body turned out to be needing almost as much work as the wrecked body (except the A-pillar already covered, and the fact that it was 'tweaked' and pushed down to the frame a bit - these can be fixed but corrosion protection will be compromised over the long haul. Not so with the donor body repairs). This was not planned and that chaps me mightily, but is still doable.

My goal is to keep the truck for a very long time, and keep it nice. I have found that I really don't like the scrape-the-truck-up kind of 4-wheeling. I'm a hot rodder/collector with a 4x4 more or less. I like a pristine vehicle. All the little dings, dents, rust spots, non-matching-paint and lousy-bodywork issues (done by moi) will be dealt with and I will have, essentially, a new vehicle which only happens to show 190,000 miles on the odo.

Just a start on its way to 500,000. No kiddin'. And why not? No part on it has 190,000 miles, except the frame.:lmao: All the running gear and wear surfaces are practically new.

It ain't a mutual fund. Vehicles are not investments. It's payment for use and enjoyment, whether new or used.

87Xota
08-10-2007, 09:33 AM
Doors, hood and body are in primer
http://thexota.org/d/7444-1/Dsc03695.jpg

The black paint is what we call a guide coat. The next step will be to block sand the primered panels, by having a guide coat on, wherever there may be a small dent or a low spot, it will show as the area around that low spot will have all the black paint sanded off, and the low spot will still have unsanded black paint.
http://thexota.org/d/7447-1/Dsc03696.jpg

http://thexota.org/d/7450-1/Dsc03700.jpg

nakman
08-10-2007, 09:49 AM
wow. I appreciate the way you've continued to document this process, very cool.

AxleIke
08-10-2007, 10:07 AM
OK, OK, the hub- I had it locked on slickrock after a rain, and turned tight. BAM. My wife and I looked at each other, "THAT wasn't good!" we said. Thought I had managed to bust a FRORF chromo rear axle.

Nope- stripped a stock Toyota flange. Replaced with my spare hub and off we went, good as new, splines totally unaffected. Only to roll the next day.

Wow. That is handy to be able to swap like that. Makes perfect sense.


Excuse me for asking this! But after looking at the pictures and thinking of the man hours(labor) involved in doing this. Wouldn't you just be better off finding another 4Runner and doing a swap on the parts or buying a new FJ? This just seems like a lot of money for maybe something that get's dinged up again..But that's just my humble opinion.....

Sentimental value. I know if i had a policy that would pay to fix my rig, i'd fix it in a heartbeat to keep the original vehicle rather that swap.

87Xota
08-10-2007, 10:09 AM
wow. I appreciate the way you've continued to document this process, very cool.

My pleasure, I've been thinking for awhile that showing the steps of different body repair procedures would be a good thing to do. I've really never seen it documented before. Maybe body shops feel that they would be giving away their secrets. But I don't feel that way. I think it shows how much skilled work there is that's involved in doing this stuff properly.

My painter is now masking to paint the roof and the jams, it's really not possible or beneficial to paint everything all at once, so splitting it up between interior areas, and in this case, also the roof, since the jams flow into the roof, helps us get a better all around paint job.
http://thexota.org/d/7453-1/Dsc03701.jpg

http://thexota.org/d/7456-1/Dsc03702.jpg

I think we acheived the goal of making the new quarter panel spot welds, look like the factory welds, once paint is on it will be very difficult to tell that the quarter was replaced.
http://thexota.org/d/7459-1/Dsc03703.jpg

http://thexota.org/d/7462-1/Dsc03704.jpg

DaveInDenver
08-10-2007, 10:10 AM
Excuse me for asking this! But after looking at the pictures and thinking of the man hours(labor) involved in doing this. Wouldn't you just be better off finding another 4Runner and doing a swap on the parts or buying a new FJ? This just seems like a lot of money for maybe something that get's dinged up again..But that's just my humble opinion.....
Funny, you sound a lot like Bill did when I decided to build an essentially new 22R long block. Just swap it for a 3.4L, he says. Do a patch job rebuild, they said. Turns out I was stubborn and he was probably right. So, I'm not one who'd second guess his decision on this. Man, oh man, if I could back in time 8 months.

Red_Chili
08-10-2007, 10:52 AM
No worries Dave, you didn't make a bad decision, just one among many. You are within a spit of perfect and a good diagnostician will get you to the prize.

I considered buying a new vehicle and starting over, I really did. It would have been a Taco doublecab coilover SAS, built for expedition. But then I realized that no matter how cool it would have been, it would not have had a removable softtop, and it would not have been the Chili. The Chili is about three mods away from the vision I had when I started (on board welder, beadlocks - though I am questioning really why exactly - and hydro assist). Built for serious expedition travel, yet comfortable and capable on the highway with good mileage to boot.

Really, what I have is a vehicle I would have built if I could build vehicles, just using all the best parts Toyota ever made. I like the way their engineers used to think. Elegance and parsimony. Reusability across models. One part many functions. Ease of rebuilding. No one else does it like that. Oddly, Carrie and I kinda did that in rebuilding our bungalow, but that's a different thread. The Buells are built the same way.

But the only new vehicle that tickles my fancy is the 4-door Rubi sitting on 37s with a softtop and built like the Chili - maybe with a different motor (see? It's a disease). Sorry Toyota, time to step up to the plate. The new FJ ain't it.

DaveInDenver
08-10-2007, 11:18 AM
No worries Dave, you didn't make a bad decision, just one among many. You are within a spit of perfect and a good diagnostician will get you to the prize.
Yeah, thanks. The problem isn't so much that I don't know what's wrong but that I unfortunately probably do. Now if only money just grew on trees.

Rezarf
08-10-2007, 02:11 PM
Squirt it! Squirt it! Squirt it! Chili you must be dying to see this... I am and it ain't even my rig.

87xota, what does it take to get a quote? I am sure it involves bringing the truck by, where are you guys at?

Rezarf

87Xota
08-10-2007, 02:35 PM
Squirt it! Squirt it! Squirt it! Chili you must be dying to see this... I am and it ain't even my rig.

87xota, what does it take to get a quote? I am sure it involves bringing the truck by, where are you guys at?

Rezarf

Sure come by and i'll work you up an estimate, if you time it right, you might be the first to see some paint on Bill's rig ;)

10750 Irma Dr. Unit 8, Northglenn, CO

87Xota
08-10-2007, 02:37 PM
Anybody know what the growing season is for red chilis?

I've got one in my shop that's looking a little ripe on the top and sides.

Let's see, I got some pic's around somewhere, where did I put them............

corsair23
08-10-2007, 02:47 PM
LOL....Anticipation has got to be killing Bill...

That old ketchup "anticipation" theme song keeps going through my head...I know that has nothing to do with red chilis but ketchup IS red and through in the whole anticipation thing and there your go :hill:

EDIT: Let's see if this linky will work - Anticipation (http://www.amazon.com/gp/recsradio/radio/B000002I2Q/ref=pd_krex_listen_dp_img/102-0113898-)

nakman
08-10-2007, 02:53 PM
Oh man it's pink! Better delete that picture quick and get it back in the booth before Bill sees it.



j/k :lmao:

87Xota
08-10-2007, 02:58 PM
Oh man it's pink! Better delete that picture quick and get it back in the booth before Bill sees it.



j/k :lmao:

Ooh, I just thought of a good revenge for that Jeep comment of his, and the one written on his bumper.

wesintl
08-10-2007, 03:11 PM
Carly simon.. sweet !

87Xota
08-10-2007, 03:16 PM
Ah there kind of dusty pics, Jamies sanding on the doors and there's lots of dust in the air

http://thexota.org/d/7464-1/Dsc03705.jpg

http://thexota.org/d/7466-1/Dsc03706.jpg

http://thexota.org/d/7468-1/Dsc03708.jpg

Red_Chili
08-12-2007, 08:11 AM
Hardy har har, you guys is mean! ;)

I went by there and blew Terry's strategy of stringing me along... and just stood there taking it in. It looks tall! and a lot more like it does now than it did a while ago... :lmao:

Man o man o man, o boy o boy..... There will be a bunch of work redoing all the custom wiring and I'm sure I'll have to bring the beer and pizza and my memory of what all I had where, and make an evening of it.

Come to think of it, the down side to that is... ??? And maybe I can put things where I *wished* I had put them after I put them somewhere else!

Hey Terry, I had a thought... will you need or want to put the little wheels on that truck to make it easier to paint and sand and buff? Because if you do, it might make a good time to stage putting on the new wheels (yeah, I decided to spring for it). Depending on shipment timing I guess. Just a thought, let me know.

Rezarf
08-12-2007, 11:20 AM
Because if you do, it might make a good time to stage putting on the new wheels (yeah, I decided to spring for it). Depending on shipment timing I guess. Just a thought, let me know.

Can we see a preview teaser shot? :thumb:

87Xota
08-12-2007, 08:35 PM
Hardy har har, you guys is mean! ;)



Hey Terry, I had a thought... will you need or want to put the little wheels on that truck to make it easier to paint and sand and buff?

That might make Jamie happy, but I have a set of 30's at the shop from a Trooper with 6 hole rims, that's probably alot easier to throw on there. And it would make some good pictures!

Rock Dog
08-12-2007, 09:54 PM
I just saw the comment of "twins" and realized that would be the Chili-Cheese Twins :lmao: :lmao: ... And if we all 3 ran together it would be the Chili-Cheese-Dog run...:lmao:

The buildups look great. Makes me jealous... I may have to see about having that rear rust bubbling up in the right rear quarter taken care of.

Red_Chili
08-12-2007, 10:48 PM
That might make Jamie happy, but I have a set of 30's at the shop from a Trooper with 6 hole rims, that's probably alot easier to throw on there. And it would make some good pictures!
No problem... I can grab the tires then.

Chili Cheese Dog run works for me!

Red_Chili
08-13-2007, 09:13 AM
I will show up later today with a good tailgate shell and parts, like a new antenna, some PS fluid, coolant, distilled water, door hinges, half door latch, etc.

Red_Chili
08-14-2007, 01:06 PM
Ordered...
http://www.cwibeadlock.com/outlawC1pol.jpg
:eek::D:D:D:D

15x10. The 8s limit tire width and sit a bit narrow, though they protect the wheel... The 10s expose the rim to rock rash... but with the same backspacing they sit wider and there is less highway sidewall flex, and they happen to match the MT/R mfg. specs better. I went with the protruding bolt heads to limit what hits the rock to a cheapie bolt, mostly.

Then maybe someday I can run 13.5s. If I want.

And, they look a lot like Mickey Thompson faux beadlocks now, don't they? :cool:

Red_Chili
08-15-2007, 11:56 AM
Well, whaddya know. Champion is out of the Outlaw wheels (2 weeks out) so they offered to upgrade me to this:
http://www.cwibeadlock.com/bajaC1pol.jpg
for no extra charge. They ship today.
My artist son liked these much better, so he will feel honored! (He is also the one who wanted me to extend the bed liner down the half doors, so he does have the eye for sure. I should trust him more!)

So far Champion has impressed with their customer service, I must say.

87Xota
08-15-2007, 12:12 PM
Jamie painted Bills doors and now we are hanging them on the truck so we can fit the fenders, and do whatever cutting is needed on the fiberglass fenders, before they are painted.
http://thexota.org/d/7557-1/Dsc03713.jpg

It's pretty typical with fiberglass fenders, for the fenders to need quite alot of trimming along the door edge to get them to fit.


They require a large gap compared to factory fenders, for the door to open without scraping. The top area of the fender bolts on with that gap as needed, but I actually had to trim about a 1/2" off of the bottom of the fender to get it to not overlap the door.
http://thexota.org/d/7560-1/Dsc03714.jpg



A little more work and we should have a nice even gap.
http://thexota.org/d/7554-1/Dsc03712.jpg

Red_Chili
08-15-2007, 12:27 PM
Awesome! I like!!:thumb:
I will bring some junk fenders for parts robbing (corner marker light pocket & rear bracket) this afternoon. I have one in the back of the truck, and Yoda Jim offered me one free if I pull it, on the way over. I expect you need bolts and the rubber dealies the hood rests on?

wesintl
08-15-2007, 01:06 PM
I like those wheels better too. :thumb:

Hulk
08-15-2007, 01:52 PM
I like those wheels better too. :thumb:

X2. Much, much better. :thumb:

DaveInDenver
08-15-2007, 02:41 PM
I like those wheels better too.
Not sure why, but I like the Outlaw II better.

Uncle Ben
08-15-2007, 07:47 PM
Very sweet Bill!

Red_Chili
08-16-2007, 06:38 AM
We got the hood scoop installed last night. Trued up the fenders a bit more, got the brackets off some old fenders so they are ready to install. Terry will hopefully post up some pix.

I am really glad someone of Terry's experience is doing this. These fenders require a lot of fiddling - and they have the reputation of being the best fitting ones! (besides www.toyotafiberglass.com, but he is in Canada, the openings are not larger, and shipping is a killer).

Red_Chili
08-16-2007, 06:46 AM
Not sure why, but I like the Outlaw II better.
I did too, but it does get a bit busy with the beadlock bolts. The Outlaw is clearcoated, which would keep it nicer with less maintenance, but it would be harder to clean. The Baja is polished but easier to keep that way.

Valve stem placement is not ideal on either wheel. They include angled stems. I could have gone with a beadlock that would have protected the the valve stem, but it looked blingy and would not adapt to a chrome ring camo strategy for the Beehive state (a la Uncle Ben).

I could always relocate them like I did with the Eagles. Not hard. Just leaves a funny looking plugged hole. The beadlock does stick out more so that may be enough.

SROR/AKA 2BAD
08-16-2007, 07:39 AM
who's doing your tube work when it's done? :thumb:

looking good bill :)

Red_Chili
08-16-2007, 07:46 AM
Why, I believe YOU might! I have some ideas. Terry offered the use of his tube bender, but I hate to impose on him because he has really worked with me on this. Then again if he charges a nominal fee I might go that way. Not sure yet!

What I was thinking was, bending a new front hoop to replace the squished one. Then adding (maybe in 1.5" tubing, a little smaller) corner protection up front. I ran a support from the rollbar back to the spare tire carrier to keep it from wiggling, but an idea sparked in my mind last night- run tube outboard of the Bushwackers in the rear (thus solving the Bushwacker vulnerability) from the slider up, horizontal, thence down to the bumper slider, and tying a horizontal bar from the fender to the 45* upper hinge support. Voila, solid spare tire, no tie-in to the body, perfect corner protection. Do the same thing on the other side.

(Then get air lifts for all the extra weight :lmao:)
I figured get the rough bends, then take the 'kit' home, notch it and weld away the afternoon.

87Xota
08-16-2007, 08:17 AM
Bill and I worked late last night and we cut a hole in his hood and fit his scoop and screwed it down.
http://thexota.org/d/7568-1/Dsc03718.jpg

http://thexota.org/d/7569-1/Dsc03719.jpg

Fender fit is almost done too
http://thexota.org/d/7574-1/Dsc03720.jpg

Red_Chili
08-16-2007, 09:07 AM
Not red enough... :lmao:

I may just have to build me a new front bumper this winter. Hmmm.

Rezarf
08-16-2007, 09:58 AM
:D :D :eek: :eek: :eek:

Looks stinkin' SWEET! Your son has good taste, the second wheels are more with the times and easier to clean, I would think. I had the outlaws on an old mustang and getting into all the 2 dozen little holes got annoying fast.

I think the whole thing looks AMAZING!

Squirt that thing!:thumb:

87Xota
08-16-2007, 11:35 AM
:D :D :eek: :eek: :eek:

Squirt that thing!:thumb:

I was hoping to get it painted Friday, Jamie was gonna do the last of the primer today, then paint it tomorrow.

But I have to work on the fenders and the right bedside a little more, the area of the wheel well where I have worked the body a little for tire clearance, didn't look quite right, so i'm gonna have to fix that today, and that means we won't be able to get primer on, in time to paint it before this weekend.

So sometime early next week is when it will get sprayed (I hope!)

Terry

87Xota
08-20-2007, 04:35 PM
I've just been told that everything is sprayed now, tomorrow Jamie will buff the quarter panels, then the re-assembly starts.;)

Sorry I can't go in the booth yet for pic's, tomorrow though I'll have some!:thumb:

Red_Chili
08-20-2007, 09:02 PM
AAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!









:lmao:

Red_Chili
08-21-2007, 08:27 PM
Well... The Chili is once again the Red Chili...
I caught Jamie as he was polishing the tailgate. The finish is so glasslike that any slight imperfection is visible - and there are only a couple VERY slight ones. Terry had to point them out to me. Like, fewer than the truck left the factory with in 1987. UH... I mean, the body in 1988. What year is my truck? Who knows any more...

And the UPS guy left a present on my porch...:eek: ;)

Uncle Ben
08-21-2007, 08:52 PM
And the UPS guy left a present on my porch...:eek: ;)

Hope you didn't step in it! :eek: ;)

Rezarf
08-21-2007, 09:19 PM
COME ON! :D

This thread is useless without...

Hulk
08-21-2007, 11:49 PM
And the UPS guy left a present on my porch...:eek: ;)

Wheels? Fenders from Iceland? :D

87Xota
08-22-2007, 05:48 AM
COME ON! :D

This thread is useless without...


Sorry guy's, it didn't get buffed yesterday because Jamie's electric buffer stopped working, all you would see of the vehicle is wet sanded quarters that look very dull red.

I guess I won't hang the doors, until I get the dash swapped out.

But I can hang the fenders and install the hood, so maybe pictures tomorrow!

Bill brought me lot's of mouldings yesterday and some tailamps, and he took away his tires and wheels, we put on my extra set of highway tires and wheels for now.

Uncle Ben
08-22-2007, 06:22 AM
And the UPS guy left a present on my porch...:eek: ;)

:eek: :Princess: :lmao:

Red_Chili
08-22-2007, 06:51 AM
Parts come in at 4WPW today...





Kevin, I don't think that one would go over well at ALL in our household, for SO many reasons... :lmao:

bkg
08-22-2007, 11:11 AM
Looking good, Bill. Did you decide what you're doing w/ the rear fenders yet (did I miss that?)?

Red_Chili
08-22-2007, 12:06 PM
Hey, Brian!
Yes, I did, and no, I don't think you did. Like Moomba on 4x4wire, settled on Bushwackers, which are the parts that were *supposed* to be in today. The 4WPW guy screwed up though, they *ship* today from Bushwacker, so they won't be here until after the weekend. I think Terry was not quite ready to squirt them anywho!

Obviously I will have to protect them (and more than likely the front fenders, though I tend to be pretty good about those. The rears, however, are famous in 4Runners for being vulnerable, as are the rear quarters. I have a scheme in mind.

87Xota
08-22-2007, 12:32 PM
Here's a few paint pic's
http://thexota.org/d/7621-1/Dsc03737.jpg

http://thexota.org/d/7624-1/Dsc03740.jpg

http://thexota.org/d/7627-1/Dsc03741.jpg

http://thexota.org/d/7618-1/Dsc03736.jpg

Shark Bait
08-22-2007, 12:51 PM
He'll have to cover that thing in bubble wrap before he takes it wheeling. :eek: :rolleyes: :D Looks nice! :thumb:

Red_Chili
08-22-2007, 01:01 PM
Steel and clear bra, Chris. Steel and clear bra.

I won't be investigating any pinstripe-alley remote trails like my son and I did at Moab this year, though! Scrub oak does evil things!!

corsair23
08-22-2007, 04:04 PM
Oh my that is purdy :thumb:

I'm basically speechless looking at those pics...I plan on having Terry restore my hardtop but now I'm worried the rest of the 40 just won't be up to snuff :hill:

Beater
08-22-2007, 04:19 PM
pimp

bkg
08-22-2007, 04:36 PM
Steel and clear bra, Chris. Steel and clear bra.

I won't be investigating any pinstripe-alley remote trails like my son and I did at Moab this year, though! Scrub oak does evil things!!

Going to be a mall-crawler for a while? :)

Rezarf
08-22-2007, 08:44 PM
ehhh... it is okay I guess





























































:eek: :D Just kidding! Man, what a RED Truck, great finish and polish work! WOW! :thumb::clap: :woot: :woot:

farnhamstj
08-22-2007, 09:03 PM
That much red makes my eyes hurt. Looking good Bill. Going full exo cage to protect that shine? Maybe some of that canvas side protection like the Hummer's have. Man I wish my paint shined like that, sweeeet.

Uncle Ben
08-22-2007, 09:22 PM
I am really starting to suspect Bill rolled Red Chili on purpose! :eek: ;) :bowdown: :bill:

SROR/AKA 2BAD
08-22-2007, 09:52 PM
pretty awsome work chiliman!!
i'm glad you found this guy and didn't listen 2me. ;)

Red_Chili
08-23-2007, 07:50 AM
Actually, I did go by Bradford Auto Body. They wanted nothing to do with it once they heard about a body swap. Even though they admitted the corrosion resistance would be impacted if they repaired my existing body...:confused:

When I heard about Terry on Colo 4x4, and remembered the Xota, I knew he would 'get it' about what I wanted to do. The thing is, if you are smart about it, you can improve a truck for about what it costs to merely fix it. "About what it costs" being a kinda loose statement, but not out of the park.

I am really starting to suspect Bill rolled Red Chili on purpose! :eek: ;) :bowdown: :bill:
You ever heard about when life gives you lemons you make lemonade?

I admit this is fresh hand-squeezed Antigua lemonade sweetened with raw cane sugar with a shot of very nice genuine agave tequila - but that's what it is. Just FYI, Red Chili II came about because some south of the border gentleman in a borrowed (and fortunately, insured) Ford Explorer decided red lights were optional. Red Chili I died that day, long live Red Chili II.

It's not whether life gives you 6 ft. speedbumps. It's what you let them turn into, I guess. I'm all about redeeming the situation.

And Terry definitely made it possible! :bowdown::bowdown::bowdown::bowdown::cool:

And yeah, Brian, I plan to do only mall crawling. Where is my Mall Rated sticker?

Red_Chili
08-23-2007, 07:55 AM
Oh my that is purdy :thumb:

I'm basically speechless looking at those pics...I plan on having Terry restore my hardtop but now I'm worried the rest of the 40 just won't be up to snuff :hill:
You should see Cheeseman's 4Runner. I wonder when he is gonna pick that thing up? If he leaves it there any longer I'm gonna end up putting door dings in it.:eek:

Red_Chili
08-23-2007, 07:58 AM
pimp:Princess::grinpimp:

bkg
08-23-2007, 09:52 AM
And yeah, Brian, I plan to do only mall crawling. Where is my Mall Rated sticker?

I KNEW it! :p

Darn small tires make that thing look TAAAAALL!

(btw - appraiser is coming out to the house tomorrow to throw down a number on my truck.. :) )

Red_Chili
08-23-2007, 10:00 AM
Those are Xota's 35" street wheels, not that small...:eek:
But lessee... what's missing...
two yellowtop Optimas
one bumper with sliders, a swing out carrier, a gas can and a 35" spare
side sliders
rear seats
spares & fluids in the side panels
side panels
rollbar
Caribou locking toolcase with tools
carpet
topper
tailgate with glass

Yup, that'll bring that baby RIGHT down. Notice the shackle angle? I can promise you that 80* is NOT the normal running angle on them babies.

The whole thing sits only 1" taller than before. :whew!:

Uncle Ben
08-23-2007, 10:11 AM
Yup, that'll bring that baby RIGHT down. Notice the shackle angle? I can promise you that 80* is NOT the normal running angle on them babies.

The whole thing sits only 1" taller than before. :whew!:

NO! I will not look at it again! I'm trying to get some work done here and dark glasses in my office don't cut it! Hope you have installed a auto-dulling system with manual override in the cab so you can turn down that damn shine when on the trail! Dang, even night runs with you will be like driving on the sun! :rant: :rolleyes: :weld: :homer:











;) :hill:

87Xota
08-27-2007, 08:14 AM
Well it's time to start putting it all back together again and hope it runs!

The donor body still had all the dash and wiring in place and it was kind of a good thing, I took apart Bill's truck several weeks ago and it would have been hard to remember where every screw and fastener went.

So now that I am taking everything out of the donor body, it will refresh my memory on how everything goes, I hope!

So the donor body has the dash components all removed now.
http://thexota.org/d/7641-1/Dsc03746.jpg

I laid out all the parts on the floor in the ordor that I took them out. I kept the screws and bolts for each component, with each piece as I laid it on the floor.
http://thexota.org/d/7644-1/Dsc03747.jpg


Then I would just find every piece from the pile of parts that came off Bills truck, and install it in reverse order, and use the fasteners from the donor pieces.

This is where I stopped Friday
http://thexota.org/d/7647-1/Dsc03749.jpg

There's a few wiring connections I still need to figure out, but I took lot's of pictures when I took Bill's apart, so I'll look thru those and that should help.

Red_Chili
08-27-2007, 12:48 PM
And this is the phase that I am more than happy to pay the man to do!
Don't try this at home, professional stunt riders on a closed course, yadda yadda yadda... :blah:

Rezarf
08-28-2007, 09:42 PM
I am always amazed at the guts of a vehicle.

Looking forward to the final finished product. Great job!

Uncle Ben
08-28-2007, 10:43 PM
And this is the phase that I am more than happy to pay the man to do!
Don't try this at home, professional stunt riders on a closed course, yadda yadda yadda... :blah:

Dashes are actually fun! I used to enjoy doing them when I worked at FOMOCO. Everybody was scared of them so I got all that came through. They paid very well and after a couple you learn some good time saving tricks! I haven't done one in 15 years since...prolly would kill me now! :lmao: :cool: :thumb:

87Xota
08-29-2007, 05:33 AM
I always kind of liked dashes to, even though I don't fit under them very good.

I worked pretty much all day on Bill's yesterday, but not much photo worthy work to see. Alot of wiring and routing, swapping seat belts, drilling and mounting some of Bill's accesories, installing the column(again)

All the pic's I took during disassembly, really saved my butt yesterday. There's 4 or 5 wires that I couldn't unplug and had to be cut, they were wrapped up in the looms for the computer and went across the dash to the vehicles stock wiring looms, there were a couple that were the same color, but the pictures really helped me figure out where I had originally cut them in relation to the wiring looms, so then I could hook them back up properly.

I used solder and heat shrink to make a good long lasting connection.

There's only 2 wires under hood that i'm having trouble figuring out, all the other wiring is attached.

I also swapped over the two rear wiring looms from Bills truck, they might have been the same on both vehicles, but I know Bill's are correct so I used his.

I did find one interesting difference, the door jamb switches for the dome light, were different on the two bodies, the donors switch had a slightly wider terminal, then Bll's did. So they had to be swapped too, weird!

Today I plan on installing the throttle cable, e-brake handle & cable, and then i'm waiting on Bill to bring back the cleaned up A/C evaporator box, then the rest of the dash can go together.

This thing may be ready to run early next week :)

Red_Chili
08-29-2007, 08:26 AM
Got the AC evaporator in the truck in the parking garage, along with one seatbelt latch thingie that somehow ended up in my garage. FORGOT the positive post though dagnabbit!!! I need to make a short 1/0 cable to go to it anyway though. I think I may have the parts hanging around or can swing by the store.

87Xota
08-30-2007, 05:25 AM
Yesterday I did get the upper dash in and gauge cluster, throttle cable, e-brake, spreedo cable, and later when Bill brought me the evaporator case, I got that installed.

Bill did a few hose stretching modifications so that the A/C hose to the evaporator would reach the new body lifted position ;) , he also installed his rear under mounted batteries, and he helped me figure out a few wires I wasn't sure about. So we powered it up, and we had power at the column, dash lights work, etc.

Found one wire to the starter wasn't connected to anything up by the inner fender. Took me forever to find where it went, turned out it was spliced into the stock wiring loom and it had pulled out so cleanly, that there was just a little hole in the tape. So I hooked that back up and now the starter engages.

I just need to hook up the fuel hose underneath, and then I can see if it will start.

Maybe today i'll have it running :thumb:

Red_Chili
08-30-2007, 07:20 AM
WooHoo!
I have the pretty new driver's seat to bring - in plastic so it won't get dusty. Also the positive post and some 1/0 and crimp ends so the power connections will be uber clean. And my BFH-powered megacrimper and some lovely red shrink tube to seal things up against galvanic corrosion! Friends don't let friends do copper sulfate.

I know you can't stay late tonight and neither can I, but I can get up there around 3.

Red_Chili
09-06-2007, 08:07 AM
The Chili moved under its own power last night! :thumb:

It should be less than a week now before I write the big check and the Chili comes home to Casa Morgan. Of course, then I get to redo all the custom wiring, do Herculiner on the floors, put in the freshly cleaned carpets and new-to-her seats, assemble the new soft top, replace the front main leaf springs...

Gotta be done by the end of September. Gotta slay me some turbogoats!

RockRunner
09-06-2007, 01:21 PM
Bill,

How did the seats turn out? Did they clean up nice? About two weeks after you bought them a guy contacted me from Pirate asking to buy them, never fails. Hopefully they will serve you well, can't wait to see the "red cherry" in person.

Also, if you find a way to really get your soft top tight across the top let me know. Mine sags a little in the middle pooling some water on top.

Red_Chili
09-07-2007, 10:27 AM
I tried to clean them and realized I could spend about $40 in cleaner and end up with crap, or spend $25 with the fine Mexican folks down at Scrub's Carwash and have them turn out nice. So I did, and they did. They do a nice job down there on the South Side Scrub's Carwash. Thanks for selling me those!

They also cleaned my removed carpet for $16, well well worth it.

My old softtop kinda had low spots in the middle. It never hurt nuthin'. I've not yet assembled the new one, as Terry's shop tends to be really dusty with all the sanding and stuff. Same with the carpet.

Red_Chili
09-10-2007, 11:33 AM
She's running... She has new front main leafs... the dash is in (minus all the geegaws I pulled out beforehand)... she is sitting on her final wheel/tire configuration... getting close!

Shark Bait
09-10-2007, 12:04 PM
She's running... She has new front main leafs... the dash is in (minus all the geegaws I pulled out beforehand)... she is sitting on her final wheel/tire configuration... getting close!

Pics?

isotel
09-10-2007, 12:15 PM
this is one SWEET Runner.. i Love it

When do we see it hit the trail for some Mountain Pin Stripping? lol

Uncle Ben
09-10-2007, 12:45 PM
She's running... She has new front main leafs... the dash is in (minus all the geegaws I pulled out beforehand)... she is sitting on her final wheel/tire configuration... getting close!

She? Dude.....you just don't learn do ya? :rolleyes:;)

Red_Chili
09-10-2007, 01:31 PM
I expect Terry will post pics of her after tonight. All the nasties had to get done before installing doors, fenders, windshield... which remain undone as of this moment to my knowledge.

Red_Chili
09-11-2007, 07:10 AM
Spy photo, lousy phone camera... proof that Terry actually works! He is running the die grinder. What you cannot hear is the evil gutteral laugh. He's getting into it.

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We are starting with Bushwackers, then modifying them.... more to come.

With those safety glasses he looks like that nasty bad character that Vin Diesel played whose eyes glowed funny...

87Xota
09-11-2007, 05:16 PM
Long time no posts, sorry about that guy's.

Now that i've been working on Bill's truck for awhile, i've become a heavy drinker :beer::beer::beer: and it just really slows things down.

I spent alot of time on the wiring and trying to get this thing running again. I just about gave up, there was 4 or 5 wires that had to be cut that were part of the custom built wiring loom, many of them were the same color, red.

And one circuit, I never did find the original wire in the loom, it was a battery power input to the computer, I finally ended up running a new one to the underhood fuse box.

But Bill helped out by coming up with a wiring scematic that showed what voltage each pin on the computer shoud have, when I found that I didn't have battery power to one of the pins, I ran power to it, then I was getting spark and injector pulses but no fuel, then Bill and I found the wiring underneath that appeared to me to be just undercarriage lamp wiring, but the fuel pump power circuit was in that small loom, once we got that connected, it ran, Yeah!!

So I lost a week or two on that problem, and all the little things that are a killer on these jobs.

But now all the wiring is wrapped up and the dash is back in

http://thexota.org/d/7692-1/Dsc03759.jpg

Last night we first fitted the flares and then drilled many holes in those freshly painted pristine quarter panels. Bill has decided to install Bushwacker flares :rolleyes:, since the stock bumper and side moulding are a thing of the past for Bill's truck, we had to remove about 4 inches of flare and then glue the bottom back on, for the rear portion of those flares to line up with the bottom of the quarter panels.

http://thexota.org/d/7689-1/Dsc03756.jpg

Today i've benn filling the gap with bondo and they are ready to go to the painter now.

http://thexota.org/d/7686-1/Dsc03755.jpg

Today the new windshield and mouldings were installed
http://thexota.org/d/7695-1/Dsc03760.jpg

The whole truck is a real dusty dirty mess right now, but I am close to having all the body panels back on, maybe by the end of the week I can get some full vehicle shots :) with everything installed and cleaned up.

Just a little bit longer is my new mantra!!:p:

farnhamstj
09-11-2007, 06:42 PM
Why would you put those f'ugly things on that beautiful truck? I thought they were only for covering rusted out wheel wells. What next some diamond plate on the lower 8" of the body.

Uncle Ben
09-11-2007, 07:52 PM
Why would you put those f'ugly things on that beautiful truck? I thought they were only for covering rusted out wheel wells. What next some diamond plate on the lower 8" of the body.

Not just that but I bet he'll be packing a gun too! :p: :flipoff:

treerootCO
09-12-2007, 12:08 AM
Your ass end usually gets wider as you age. Once Bill gets her some exercise on the trail, instead of letting her sit in the shop all day, those flares with get shaved down in no time. :p: I am not worried about Bill, my Leupold Mark 4 is sighted in for 2000yards. I'll see him long before he sees me...;)

Looks great, keep the pics coming.

Beater
09-12-2007, 06:31 AM
those are his "curb feelers"

Red_Chili
09-12-2007, 06:53 AM
No, those will be protected by my curb feelers.
So Farnham just wants me to prove him wrong, eh! No problem.

And yeah, I am usually packing my .44Mag just for, um, 'plinking'. But the inaugural run looks to be, in part, hauling a couple .300WSMs, a .308, and a .243, mostly shooting Winchester Ballistic Silvertips in the Wyoming Vermin Reduction and Freezer Filling Program.

Treeroot, you can be sighted in for 2000 yards (with bipod and prone no doubt), but you gotta be able to take a standing shot at a running target at 400 yards and hit it for me to be skeered!! :lmao:

Red_Chili
09-12-2007, 07:08 AM
But seriously, the tires now stick out about 6" total with no flares. That will garner me mud all the time at a minimum, and irate motorists and constabulary harassment almost certainly. That is why I went with glass front fenders, and that requires rear fender extensions of some sort. After extensive searching, the Bushwackers are about the best (and almost the only) option.

Farnham, you may not like them in general, but you have not seen the finished product. They rather rock.

Red_Chili
09-12-2007, 12:10 PM
*I* don't think it looks too bad, really. YMMV.
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87Xota
09-12-2007, 02:45 PM
Here's some pic's to keep the boss happy;)

Sorry about the blatant promotionalism :o

http://thexota.org/d/7701-1/F1.jpg

http://thexota.org/d/7704-1/F2.jpg

http://thexota.org/d/7707-1/F4.jpg

http://thexota.org/d/7710-1/F5.jpg

Red_Chili
09-12-2007, 04:12 PM
:Princess::boozer::drink::party::drool:

The Chili is dead. Long live the Chili.

wesintl
09-12-2007, 04:14 PM
SCHWING.. I like the new hood scoop :thumb:

Hulk
09-12-2007, 04:31 PM
Man, that thing is schweet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

corsair23
09-12-2007, 04:40 PM
Wowzers that looks nice :thumb:

87Xota
09-14-2007, 01:27 PM
Thanks everyone, for the compliments!!

I'm not a big fan of Bushwacker flares, I never really liked the looks of the pockets.

But I think these look pretty good on Bill's truck, and he certainely needs the coverage. And something that sticks out almost as far as the front fenders, helps it look good from the back.

http://thexota.org/d/7768-1/Dsc03773_001.jpg

http://thexota.org/d/7724-1/Dsc03772.jpg

http://thexota.org/d/7716-1/Dsc03768.jpg

Red_Chili
09-14-2007, 02:02 PM
Terry, you oughta be proud. Superb work.

Red_Chili
09-17-2007, 06:50 AM
More superb work: I took it to John's Sunroofs for clear bra, they managed to squeeze me in after another shop where I had an appointment had run out of clear bra film and could not do my truck. Darrel, the owner of John's (John is his father in law, and Darrel bought the business years ago) came in especially to do my truck because of the complex curves in the front fenders.

Here he is hard at work:
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Applying the film to the door lower part (I got a lot of rock chips there before):
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The rear fender flare is not as complex as the front, but still needed some careful work:
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He scores the plastic but does NOT perforate it, nor does he touch the paint beneath it. He said a lot of young guys just razorblade the film and cut into the paint :eek:.

For the front fenders, he had to inject alcohol beneath the film in one location, then suck the fluid out to remove an air bubble. It came out perfectly.

In fact, he is really picky about his tools and won't use a knife that doesn't feel *just* right. And he did not mind my watching him work. I've found that guys who are confident in their work don't mind spectators.

The most interesting part of this whole process has been finding people who excel in their trade!

Romer
09-17-2007, 06:57 AM
Looking great Bill.

87Xota
09-17-2007, 08:03 AM
Glad to see you got that done Bill, that should really protect against rock chips.

How far up on the fenders and flares did he go?

Red_Chili
09-17-2007, 09:18 AM
Up to where the body takes a bend inward. Took it right to the corner of that bend. That is where I have had the most rock chips from my piss-poor sorry paint job that I put on my half doors, so I wanted to protect the wonderful paint you guys did.

Darrell complimented your paint job, BTW. And he is an old hot rodder and mighty picky.

I will be seeing him for a security system here shortly.
______________________
On another note:
In putting on the new Can-Back (do I have things to be grateful for or WHAT!!?!? Can-Back is back in business and operating under a new owner), I ran into some issues. Can-Back's new owner did some redesigns starting with what little documentation they had from the old company (long story there), and some of them did not work out on the first run.

Can-Back's retail arm is TruckCandy.com (http://www.truckcandy.com/TC/CanBack/canback.htm), so I called them. They are sending out an already redesigned rear bar for the rear flap as soon as it is produced, and even loaning me a tool to reseat a nutsert that is not quite in place - with a return label to send it back.

Sure, I realize in this day and age most would just return stuff to WalMart if it isn't just right, but I appreciate their support and find it entirely reasonable and exactly what I wanted and needed.

Just a plug for good customer service. Shoot 'em a call. The new top is beeeeyoooteeeful.

farnhamstj
09-17-2007, 10:48 AM
Ok Bill, flares don't look that bad. That's one fine looking rig, now just keep the rubber side down. Looking forward to seeing it with the new top, and in person. If I look toward Denver at about 6:30 am I can see the shine from that paint job all the way up here in Vail, amazing.

Uncle Ben
09-17-2007, 12:16 PM
Just did a Google Earth of Denver and noticed an differant kind of interest spot....I zoomed in and discovered it wouldn't let me find out what the spot was....then I realized it was no interest spot it was just a recent satellite picture of Littleton and the new spot is Bill house....amazing! :eek::eek::lmao:

bkg
09-19-2007, 12:56 PM
Love the 3M bra material...

But darned if that doesn't solidify the "mall-crawler" status. :p::p:

Red_Chili
09-20-2007, 09:58 AM
:lmao:
Only because you've only seen it on mall crawlers!
Fact is, I put it on the rocker panels because of pix of me offroad, and remembering all the gravel pits down there. So... I gotcher mallcrawler right here, buddy!

Evrgrnmtnman
09-20-2007, 10:13 AM
:lmao:
Only because you've only seen it on mall crawlers!
Fact is, I put it on the rocker panels because of pix of me offroad, and remembering all the gravel pits down there. So... I gotcher mallcrawler right here, buddy!

How come you just didn't Diamond Plate the sides to give you extra protection against bigger rocks?

Uncle Ben
09-20-2007, 10:18 AM
How come you just didn't Diamond Plate the sides to give you extra protection against bigger rocks?

Unless he messes up and turns too soon he shouldn't be close to the landscaping rocks at Park Meadows! :lmao: :lmao: :eek: :bolt: :bowdown::bill: :hill:

Evrgrnmtnman
09-20-2007, 10:23 AM
Unless he messes up and turns too soon he shouldn't be close to the landscaping rocks at Park Meadows! :lmao: :lmao: :eek: :bolt: :bowdown::bill: :hill:

Your Right! Didn't think about that and if he stay's between the rows he'll probably be okay. I guess he has armor underneath for the speed bumps.

87Xota
09-20-2007, 10:54 AM
That's harsh, Bill you better come do 21 road with us to redeem your reputation as a real wheeler. It's only sheetmetal afterall :)

You might get to winch out a Jeep or two and I know you'd enjoy that :thumb:

See you Oct. 13th & 14th.

Uncle Ben
09-20-2007, 12:37 PM
That's harsh, Bill you better come do 21 road with us to redeem your reputation as a real wheeler. It's only sheetmetal afterall :)

You might get to winch out a Jeep or two and I know you'd enjoy that :thumb:

See you Oct. 13th & 14th.


:confused: Why would Bill be shopping at Forever 21? :rolleyes::hill:

RockRunner
09-20-2007, 03:36 PM
Up to where the body takes a bend inward. Took it right to the corner of that bend. That is where I have had the most rock chips from my piss-poor sorry paint job that I put on my half doors, so I wanted to protect the wonderful paint you guys did.

Darrell complimented your paint job, BTW. And he is an old hot rodder and mighty picky.

I will be seeing him for a security system here shortly.
______________________
On another note:
In putting on the new Can-Back (do I have things to be grateful for or WHAT!!?!? Can-Back is back in business and operating under a new owner), I ran into some issues. Can-Back's new owner did some redesigns starting with what little documentation they had from the old company (long story there), and some of them did not work out on the first run.

Can-Back's retail arm is TruckCandy.com (http://www.truckcandy.com/TC/CanBack/canback.htm), so I called them. They are sending out an already redesigned rear bar for the rear flap as soon as it is produced, and even loaning me a tool to reseat a nutsert that is not quite in place - with a return label to send it back.

Sure, I realize in this day and age most would just return stuff to WalMart if it isn't just right, but I appreciate their support and find it entirely reasonable and exactly what I wanted and needed.

Just a plug for good customer service. Shoot 'em a call. The new top is beeeeyoooteeeful.


Bill,

What part are they replacing in the rear? I am very unhappy with the way the rear is sealed. For the money I spend I really do not like the top. It sags on the roof line, the side windows have no protection from the middle bar so it scratches the window in a day. Put up the sides and the back and you have ten little draw strings flapping in the wind.

In my opinion they should have taken their time and really finished the product. Adding some refinements to fix some of the problems I mentioned before. Not to mention that the rear window/tailgate cover rides up so you still get air into the cab.

I do have to give them props on the customer service part, I ordered mine and was told 5 days delivery. ten days later nothing. I called them on Monday and on Friday I had a Stainless Steel top on my 4runner. I bought the regular steel model.

I guess I need to call them and ask what is up with the rear of the top.

PS I used some hockey stick tape on the middle support so the window won't scratch as much.

Beater
09-21-2007, 06:40 AM
cool thing about 21 road is you can bail out whenever you want... he could pucker and tuck tail at any time! bonus!

Red_Chili
09-21-2007, 06:53 AM
Bill,

What part are they replacing in the rear? I am very unhappy with the way the rear is sealed. For the money I spend I really do not like the top. It sags on the roof line, the side windows have no protection from the middle bar so it scratches the window in a day. Put up the sides and the back and you have ten little draw strings flapping in the wind.

In my opinion they should have taken their time and really finished the product. Adding some refinements to fix some of the problems I mentioned before. Not to mention that the rear window/tailgate cover rides up so you still get air into the cab.

I do have to give them props on the customer service part, I ordered mine and was told 5 days delivery. ten days later nothing. I called them on Monday and on Friday I had a Stainless Steel top on my 4runner. I bought the regular steel model.

I guess I need to call them and ask what is up with the rear of the top.

PS I used some hockey stick tape on the middle support so the window won't scratch as much.
Most of your complaints have always been true of the Can-Back. It requires adjusting to get the top snug and level, mine is. Regards scratching the windows, I used pipe insulation (like for a rollbar) to protect mine originally and will use it again.

The rear is a changed design, and I too do not like it. When I called about it, they told me they had also heard back from others and had redesigned the rear closure. They are shipping me the new rear design gratis, but even so, I saved the snap strip from the old top and will likely put in the snaps myself and reuse it. The bonus of the redesign, being able to open the tailgate, would be nice on a pickup but is actually harder on a 4Runner as there is no exterior latch. So they need to rethink that one. It creates production issues no doubt, as they would not be able to use the same rear flap for any minitruck cover if they made a special one for the 4Runner. Oh well.

They also ran into an issue with the angles of the ends of the cab adapter piece - as soon as I started to tell them, they knew exactly what the problem was, and what I had done was exactly what they will do in the next run. They apologized and explained how it happened, and it makes sense (part of the problem is an undocumented customization the old Can-Back company did to fix it, on an aluminum piece. The new one is steel. They should have tested it on an old 4Runner, but... I can spot them that. Simple mod).

Regards rolling up the sides and having the straps hanging (is that what you mean by draw strings?), I just tuck them in themselves and have had no issues. ScaldedDog put snaps on his, so he doesn't even use the buckles anymore. I kinda like the buckles so they work for me.

One of the nutserts was not fully seated. They send me a tool gratis to fix it since I had already mounted the top, then a label to send it back. Perfect.

I think it's the best top out there for an early 4Runner, and I loved my old one in daily use. The new one is nicely done, and I can fix what bugs me. Not bad for an early production run. I'm grateful I could get a replacement!!

Red_Chili
09-21-2007, 07:07 AM
Your Right! Didn't think about that and if he stay's between the rows he'll probably be okay. I guess he has armor underneath for the speed bumps.
OK, the truth is out. Never gonna wheel again. Just a show truck. I fess up.
6206

With an onboard microwave.
6207

And hubcaps to hide the beadlocks.
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So quit picking on me!!!
6209

Evrgrnmtnman
09-21-2007, 08:54 AM
Have to admit! That sho is a pretty rig to have to get messed up on a trail. Maybe Stevenson Toyota will let you park that next to the FJ40 on the showroom floor. At least have your insurance adjuster with you on the next ride! NICE RIG!

bkg
09-21-2007, 08:54 AM
So quit picking on me!!!
6209

Awwwww.... :Princess: :D

Looking good, Bill. And the more I think about it, the more I like the idea of the 3M material. It's spendy, but I think it will be worth it. I'll have to investigate using that when I re-work my Runner.

Red_Chili
09-21-2007, 08:55 AM
Yup. Ugly and fun are unrelated.

Red_Chili
09-23-2007, 07:10 AM
Well, I got tired of the 'improved' Can-Back rear panel closure system with the tube. I appreciate how well it will work with a pickup, it will be a great idea when they get the bugs worked out. For a 4Runner though, since the tailgate latch is INSIDE, it just makes life harder and it doesn't seal particularly well (that may change with their redesign).

So I learned to install snaps on canvas and reused the snap rail that Terry kindly saved from my wrecked tailgate! My wife was laughing at me after I invented a snap crimping tool from the hammer tool that came with the kit, some quality grinder time, a leather punch tool and a small C-clamp :lmao:. It works FABULOUSLY now. I guess I had a pretty funny expression on my face as I was showing her how I figured it out, and how well it worked. Who needs drugs, when you have homemade TOOLS!!!!

Hulk
09-26-2007, 12:56 AM
I invented a snap crimping tool from the hammer tool that came with the kit, some quality grinder time, a leather punch tool and a small C-clamp. It works FABULOUSLY now. I guess I had a pretty funny expression on my face as I was showing her how I figured it out, and how well it worked. Who needs drugs, when you have homemade TOOLS!!!!

http://rustybrain.com/haha/worthless.gif

Beater
09-26-2007, 06:45 AM
My wife was laughing at me after I

this seems to be a common statement from you..... (and me)


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Red_Chili
09-26-2007, 08:05 AM
We are an endless source of bemusement to our SOs.
;)

Pix? You mean like this?
http://redchili.smugmug.com/photos/200659792-M-1.jpg
This is the new interior, with Herculined floor and wells, and indoor/outdoor carpet in charcoal from Home Depot. The side panels were preserved from before, gray indoor/outdoor carpet over plywood, secured with stainless fasteners and nylocks, with two access doors per side allowing use of the quarter panels for storage. The toolbox is from Caribou Luggage, makers of motorcycle saddlebags for dualsport bikes - extremely durable modified Pelican cases. I can attest that the tools stay put even in a rollover.

http://redchili.smugmug.com/photos/200659768-M.jpg
Side shot. The Bushwackers balance the glass front fenders pretty well IMHO.

http://redchili.smugmug.com/photos/200659688-M.jpg
Gnarly front shot.

Best I could do with a cellphone. I guess I need a cam for Christmas this year.

Hulk
09-26-2007, 10:47 AM
Cool. You should take a shot of your custom snap installation tool, too.

Red_Chili
09-26-2007, 10:58 AM
It's a small C-clamp, with the little hammer tools that came with the kit! (and a little grinder time on the hammer tool so it fit in the swivel foot of the C-clamp.)

Couldn't be simpler. The hallmark of a decent tool.

MDH33
09-26-2007, 12:12 PM
Looking better than new Bill! :thumb:

Hope to see it on the trails soon.

RockRunner
09-26-2007, 02:46 PM
Nice job Bill, I hope mine can look half as nice as yours does now.

I will have to call Truck Candy to get some info on the back stuff.

Good idea with the C clamp tool, i may have to steal it. Of course we may take the top of for the winter since I can't park it in the garage.

wesintl
09-26-2007, 02:58 PM
WoW... so it's done?

Uncle Ben
09-26-2007, 09:38 PM
Nice Jeep! :eek::lmao::bolt:

Rezarf
09-26-2007, 09:42 PM
OH MY GOODNESS!

Looks amazing! Bill, give us a good sunlight shot, I know it is "red"er than that!

Drew

SROR/AKA 2BAD
09-26-2007, 10:35 PM
bill,
these guys did an awsome job!!!!!!!

how would you like a rare and unavailable 4runner lic plate lamp for your tire carrier?

i have 6 on hold at a local toy dealership ;)
let me know, it would trim out the chili 2 perfectly :thumb:

Beater
09-27-2007, 06:40 AM
since when do you have a pop up? was that what it took to get carrie to go hunting this year?

Red_Chili
09-27-2007, 06:56 AM
Thanks, gentlemen! (you too, UB).

I have a license plate lamp already, didn't wanna get tagged for something silly like that. Justin doesn't though! (Calling all Littleton cops...)

I'll try to get some good hunting shots, but I'm pretty sure the red will be toned down by Wyoming buckskin colored dirt. And mud - it's supposed to rain while we are there.
We've had that popup for maybe 15 years. I've even repacked the wheel bearings. Once. :eek: (we don't actually use it much though.) And yeah, it did help. So did inviting one of the guys' wives to go this year. Hint, they went to college with one of the Weatherbys. Yeah, THOSE Weatherbys. He got a lot of nice hand-me-downs.

Tom, I can certainly install snaps when you and I have a moment that happens to intersect. Just pick up one of those snap kits at Ace (General brand).