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Boulder Cruiser
09-04-2007, 10:00 PM
Ok so i just bought a 75, The po took the original motor out because of a tick He also removed the stock motor mounts. I wanted to put a 2f into it so i bought a donor 82 fj60, mechanically very sound, its got ps, disks, AC, and a very rust free body (Which if you guys need anything off of it its yours) Ill take pics tomorrow.

Ive never done anything like this so im gonna have lots of questions. To start:

What should i do first?
I was thinking Ps and axle swap first?
What gears are in the 60? The 40 has 4.10's. Can i just use the front axle or do i have to swap out the rear too?
Do i have to get new motor mounts or can i use the ones that are on the 60?
If i Do have to get new ones, any recommendations?

Thats all i can think of right now... Thanks in advance guys :cheers:

Shark Bait
09-04-2007, 10:48 PM
I'll take a stab at this. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, please.

I think you might be able to swap the knuckles out from your 60 to your 40, and be good. Can you use your 40 tie rod on the 60 series steering arms, I don't know for sure. Otherwise, to swap the axles whole you'll have to re-do the spring perches because the 60 axles are wider. There is hardware available to do this. Your 40 should have 4.11 gears in it. Not sure what the 82 has. It might be 3.70.

I'm guessing you can use the front motor mounts from the 60, but if you have to round up some from a 40 somewhere, it shouldn't be too difficult to find. I think there are no rear mounts. The 60 uses a cross member under the tranny/transfer case, IIRC.

I did the 60 PS on my project 40 and would be happy to tell you what I did.

The 40's FAQ (http://forum.ih8mud.com/showthread.php?t=13205) on IH8MUD is probably a great place to surf around a while for more answers.

Shark Bait
09-05-2007, 11:30 AM
I might have some motor mounts in my stash. You'd be welcome to them. Are you coming to the meeting tonight? I can bring them.

You'll need a bell housing for the FJ40 4-speed tranny as well. I can't help you there.

Boulder Cruiser
09-05-2007, 12:19 PM
I wont be able to come to the meeting. But ill be heading into denver some time this week maybe we can meet then?
Cant i use the 4 speed thats on the 60? Everything is there, motor, tranny, t-case. The 60 was running/driving until i took the ps off yesterday

subzali
09-05-2007, 12:23 PM
60 series 2F swap shouldn't be too hard, it's pretty much the same engine. My order:

-Swap axles (both front and rear so that you have the same ratios front-to-rear), but replace the (likely) 3.70 60 series differential with the 4.11 40 series diff.

-Put in the engine

-Do the power steering. Don't know how close 60 series PS gets to motor mounts/engine, but better to have that all in place so you don't get the ps on and then realize the engine won't fit :doh:

-If the 40 still has the stock 4spd the FJ60 2F should bolt right up. You'll need adapters to go from Chevy 350 to Toyota 4spd or from 2F to TH350 (not sure if it's possible, but just throwing it out there)

Man Jerk
09-05-2007, 12:43 PM
How Much do you want for the frame and body on the wagon?

MDH33
09-05-2007, 12:46 PM
FJ60 drive train is going to have a different parking brake than a 40 I believe. You also have to modify the accelerator linkage if I'm envisioning it correctly. You can use the front motor mounts from the 60. Not sure if the trans and TC from a 60 will be in the correct location for the trans tunnel and cross member to line up without modification.

Shark Bait
09-05-2007, 12:47 PM
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Cant i use the 4 speed thats on the 60? Everything is there, motor, tranny, t-case. The 60 was running/driving until i took the ps off yesterday

Yes. You can. But the bell housing for the 60 may not have the holes for the motor mounts you'll need for the FJ40. That's why you may need to track down a FJ40 bell housing and the mounts and the brackets.

60 series 2F swap shouldn't be too hard, it's pretty much the same engine.

-Put in the engine

-If the 40 still has the stock 4spd the FJ60 2F should bolt right up. You'll need adapters to go from Chevy 350 to Toyota 4spd or from 2F to TH350 (not sure if it's possible, but just throwing it out there)

Again, all you should need is a bell housing for an H42 tranny for an FJ40.

What you'll be missing with the FJ60 split t-case is the parking brake assembly. If the PO left you the t-case from the '75 they use that and you're in business.

Boulder Cruiser
09-05-2007, 03:02 PM
Thanks for the info guys, ill start searching for that bellhousing. So i just have to take the bellhousing from a 4speed 40 and stick it on the 60's 4speed right?

I do have the stock t-case should i just bolt that to the tranny or should i just use the parking brake assembly?

Anybody want these wheels? Ill put them in the classifieds to.
There are 4 of them
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c74/Bouldercruiser/fj40136.jpg

Boulder Cruiser
09-05-2007, 03:04 PM
How Much do you want for the frame and body on the wagon?

Ill probably end up just giving it away once i get what i need from it. If you want it you can have it but i dont know how long it'll take for me to do everything.

Shark Bait
09-05-2007, 03:40 PM
So i just have to take the bellhousing from a 4speed 40 and stick it on the 60's 4speed right?

Yes. 9/73-7/80 4SPD Part # 32 in the picture. I have a couple of extra covers, part #34, if you need one.

I do have the stock t-case should i just bolt that to the tranny or should i just use the parking brake assembly?

I would say use the stock t-case from the '75 if you want to use the stock parking brake. I don't think the assembly will work with the '82 t-case.

Another invaluable source for info is www.sor.com. You can find all the parts schematics there. :D

timmbuck2
09-05-2007, 03:41 PM
boy, this conversation sounds familiar. :)

Shark Bait
09-05-2007, 03:43 PM
Anybody want these wheels? Ill put them in the classifieds to.
There are 4 of them
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c74/Bouldercruiser/fj40136.jpg

What happened to the tires? I may need a set of emissions tires here, soon. :)

Shark Bait
09-05-2007, 03:43 PM
boy, this conversation sounds familiar. :)

:lmao::eek:

timmbuck2
09-05-2007, 03:45 PM
if you don't grab those engine mounts, I could probably use them. new 60/2f mounts from CDan were $70 each. Ouch.

The f mounts I have are actually in decent shape if anyone wants them.

Let me know when you are ready to drop the 2f in the 40. I am clueless, but would be happy to help. :)

T

Boulder Cruiser
09-05-2007, 03:50 PM
Those were just a set of extra wheels that came with it, its still sittin on the wheels/tires but i need them to roll it around, once i find a permanent spot for the 60 you can have the wheels/tires.

Boulder Cruiser
09-05-2007, 03:54 PM
if you don't grab those engine mounts, I could probably use them. new 60/2f mounts from CDan were $70 each. Ouch.

The f mounts I have are actually in decent shape if anyone wants them.

Let me know when you are ready to drop the 2f in the 40. I am clueless, but would be happy to help. :)

T

Great ill let you know. Thanks!

Man Jerk
09-05-2007, 04:29 PM
Sent you a pm

Man Jerk
09-05-2007, 04:35 PM
It would be really slick to swap the entire 60 drivetrain in, and use the ruffstuff FJ40 with FJ60 axle kit http://www.ruffstuffspecialties.com/catalog/fj40-soa-kit-using-fj60-axles-with-or-wo-reversal-p-159.html

The Tcase is much, much stronger than the earlier designs. You also get more width for better stability. They are more expensive to adapt crawler boxes and whatnot though.

Edit..

Didn't realize that the 40 was sprung under. Doubt you could get the wagon axles under that without opening up a whole nother can of worms...

Boulder Cruiser
09-07-2007, 02:54 PM
Heres todays progress.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c74/Bouldercruiser/fj40143.jpg
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c74/Bouldercruiser/fj40142.jpg

Some pics for man jerk
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c74/Bouldercruiser/fj40141.jpg
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c74/Bouldercruiser/fj40139.jpg
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c74/Bouldercruiser/fj40138.jpg
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c74/Bouldercruiser/fj40137.jpg

Boulder Cruiser
09-07-2007, 03:00 PM
Im kind of stuck now as to what to do. I took the ps out and the front diff. What should i do with the diff? Can i swap 3'rds and get wheel spacers for the rear? Or can i take the disks off that one and put them on the 40's? Im kinda lost :o

Man Jerk
09-07-2007, 03:16 PM
Easiest would be just to pull everything from the knuckles outward and swap them on to your 40. It might take some grinding on the housing to get the axle shafts in.

Thanks for the pics. Can't wait!

Man Jerk
09-07-2007, 03:21 PM
When you say "diff" or "3rds" are you talking about the entire axle assembly?

If you want to swap the FJ60 axle into the 40 you will be in for a lot of work. The placement of the differential makes it tough to swap in. Typically people have to outboard (move the spring hangers outside of the frame) to get it to line up with the spring perches. It is a great swap since you get more width for stability.

Shark Bait
09-07-2007, 03:29 PM
Easiest would be just to pull everything from the knuckles outward and swap them on to your 40. It might take some grinding on the housing to get the axle shafts in.


This is what I suggested yesterday. I'm sure some of us can help you. Might as well get the front axle service kit (seals, bearings, etc.) from Jerry at Boulder Toyota. Then swap the knuckles, outer axles, brakes and hubs from the 60 front axle to the 40. People commonly use the 60 outer axles and grind their knuckles, but you shouldn't have to do that if you swap the 60 knuckles over.

HTH

Hulk
09-07-2007, 04:20 PM
You probably want to stick with the 40 diffs. The gearing will be 4.11 in the 40 diffs, as long as the 40 is pre-1979. The 60 series had 3.73 diffs -- better for highway driving, not as good for wheelin'.

Boulder Cruiser
09-07-2007, 04:57 PM
Easiest would be just to pull everything from the knuckles outward and swap them on to your 40. It might take some grinding on the housing to get the axle shafts in.

Thanks for the pics. Can't wait!

This is what I suggested yesterday. I'm sure some of us can help you. Might as well get the front axle service kit (seals, bearings, etc.) from Jerry at Boulder Toyota. Then swap the knuckles, outer axles, brakes and hubs from the 60 front axle to the 40. People commonly use the 60 outer axles and grind their knuckles, but you shouldn't have to do that if you swap the 60 knuckles over.

HTH

K Ill do that.......Hopefully :)

Boulder Cruiser
09-08-2007, 06:53 PM
Of these two i need the circled one right?

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c74/Bouldercruiser/fj40146-1.jpg

Shark Bait
09-08-2007, 10:34 PM
Yes. You can separate them by dropping the inner axle through a piece of SCH 40 steel pipe. It'll come right apart.

You'll need some new c-clips (http://www.sor.com/sor/cat080.tam?cart=07I08vzo.jtu&lpg=%2Fsor%2Fsearchresult%2Etam&lpt=1189312294&xax=25591&page%2Ectx=cat080%2Etam) when you put it together. That's part # 55 in the picture.

Boulder Cruiser
09-24-2007, 07:24 PM
Kinda off topic but i got a new truck and i found this military trailer up in fort collins. Anyone know what model this is? Its titled as a homebuilt. Im going to put the 40 on the back burner and clean the trailer up but i did get the disks on the 40.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c74/Bouldercruiser/pants037.jpg

corsair23
09-24-2007, 09:40 PM
Nice trailer...I'd like to have something like that myself :)

Would it be a M101 or M416 or something like that? Basic design looks about right.

Rezarf
09-24-2007, 11:14 PM
Very cool trailer. A few more pics and we can give you a positve ID, it looks like a Bantam... does it have a tailgate? Nice looking cover on it too!

Too cool.

Drew

Boulder Cruiser
09-25-2007, 08:13 PM
Here are some more pics. It does have a fold down gate. I think your right Drew, it does look like a Bantam (from the few pics on google)
The cover is made of plywood it has metal top and roof rack kind of thing. The top is removable, what do you guys think should i clean it up and keep it on or toss it and get a cover made? There isnt any rust through, just some surface rust inside. Im going to rhino line the inside and paint it a military green. The po owned since 1970, and used it to haul food from denver to his corner store up by this lake.
I paid $400 too much?
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c74/Bouldercruiser/pants042.jpg
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c74/Bouldercruiser/pants041.jpg

wesintl
09-25-2007, 09:13 PM
good deal.. it's either a bantam or willies..

Boulder Cruiser
09-28-2007, 04:48 PM
Here's some progress on the trailer. I still have to rhino line the inside and i want to move the jerry cans down a bit. Whats the best way to make a cover?
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c74/Bouldercruiser/pants046.jpg
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c74/Bouldercruiser/pants044.jpg

Rezarf
09-30-2007, 01:36 PM
Great looking trailer. I would move the cans down as well. Most folks are making a steel lid with gas struts to raise it up like a hard cover for a truck bed.

You can still get a sweet canvas/vinyl cover off ebay for those as well. It all depends what you want to do with it.

Very cool man! FWIW, I think 400 is a great deal. These things are seeing a huge increase in popularity lately.

Drew

corsair23
09-30-2007, 11:37 PM
x2....If you ever come across another let me know...Something tells me Drew isn't going to give me that trailer he is building once he is done with it :hill:

I want something I can pull behind my 40 with the RTT mounted on top.

Boulder Cruiser
10-01-2007, 12:00 AM
Ill let you know if i see any. There is one on cl im not sure the model but the link is at the bottom. I want to put a RTT on mine as well but dont want to spend a 1k on one since i wouldnt use it that much. I keep reading about people on mud getting them for $350-400, i can only find a couple brands and there like $1500. If i could find one for $350-500 range ide take it. Anybody got any links?????
http://denver.craigslist.org/for/436232730.html

corsair23
10-01-2007, 12:35 AM
Thanks!

As for the RTT, here is the MUD review thread:

http://forum.ih8mud.com/showthread.php?t=108461

I'm not sure what the new ones are going for but the $350 ones were previous model close out deals that a few of us snatched up.

You might try PMing Jenny Cruiser as he was selling some and might have one left or know of one. Also, you might find someone here that bought one and now doesn't plan to use it and would be willing to sell it to you...The one I bought is still sitting in my garage, waiting to be used...I opened it once in the garage if that counts :) - They are "Mombasa" RTTs

.

Uncle Ben
10-01-2007, 07:29 AM
I have one exactly like the one Jeff just posted up I will sell. PM me if your interested. It is still in an unopened box!

Boulder Cruiser
10-01-2007, 07:56 PM
So thanks to kevin (uncle ben) I got the RTT today, i made a rack, rhino lined the lid and mounted the tent, it looks sweet. Everything is pretty much done now i just have to get some gas sturts, i tried to use some spares i had from a 40's tailgate but there not strong enough. Its to late to take pics but ill take some in the morning. Oh and Kevin thanks again for bring the box cutter back :cheers:

Uncle Ben
10-01-2007, 08:58 PM
So thanks to kevin (uncle ben) I got the RTT today, i made a rack, rhino lined the lid and mounted the tent, it looks sweet. Everything is pretty much done now i just have to get some gas sturts, i tried to use some spares i had from a 40's tailgate but there not strong enough. Its to late to take pics but ill take some in the morning. Oh and Kevin thanks again for bring the box cutter back :cheers:

You are welcome, I think you will be happy with the RTT. Even though this thread is yours you still need to create a trailer one and of course......

Rezarf
10-01-2007, 09:15 PM
Sweet! Can't wait to see it... that is a hint:thumb: