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Man Jerk
09-17-2007, 10:35 AM
I am looking for a 1st Generation 4 runner.

Prefer IFS, but would consider a Solid Axle Truck.

Have 3k+ give or take to spend. I'm not looking for a project.

Must be 22RE, 5 speed.
Prefer SR5

Stock, not looking for a modified truck, although I wouldn't refuse anything slightly modified. I'm not looking for a crawler, but a DD. Something the Wife can drive in the winter, and something we can use for camping.

PatrolMan
09-17-2007, 11:15 AM
In regards to the never ending IFS/solid axle debate, if you aren't going rock crawling, get an IFS. There isn't anything wrong with them, they just don't crawl as well. That is all I have had. With lockers they go nearly anywhere. The good news is $ for $, you will get a nicer ride with an IFS vehicle... Just my 2 cents...

Man Jerk
09-17-2007, 11:23 AM
Agreed.

I am more concerned with the overall vehicle condition that I am the front suspension though. If I find a nicer SA truck for the money that I will buy it, and vice versa.

Just trying to keep my options open.

Red_Chili
09-17-2007, 12:02 PM
And should you change your mind, you can indulge your wishes in a couple weekends!
:weld:


There are numerous welders and plasma cutters in the club.
:drink:

Man Jerk
09-17-2007, 12:07 PM
Alright, I edited my post to follow your advise.

Now go find me a 4 runner!!! :D

SteveH
09-17-2007, 02:26 PM
Check the Craigslist in Colo Springs - I recall seeing some there recently.

PatrolMan
09-17-2007, 03:45 PM
Found these... might help.

http://denver.craigslist.org/car/417153196.html

http://cosprings.craigslist.org/car/423908459.html

http://cosprings.craigslist.org/car/393193652.html

Red_Chili
09-18-2007, 08:32 AM
1985 Toyota 4Runner 193K miles 5 Speed
Original 22RE running strong
Clear CO title in hand ready for the lucky new owner!
$2600 OBO Kevin Darn low miles. Looks like a little wheel well rust, you won't find an 85 without it unless there is already bondo involved.
1986 Toyota 4Runner 182k, 40k on rebuilt motor. Runs And Drives.. $650 I smell skanky. That's what a longblock brings in the boneyard :confused:
5-speed manual with power locks and windows, a/c, heat, rear heat, sunroof, quality stereo system, 3-inch lift, cruise control... American Racing lock in hubs for 4-wheel drive good for trail and offroad... 230k miles but still runs great, engine in great condition 18-22mpg... gold/orange exterior, tan/brown interior... slight damage to front bumper and two scratches on driver side and one on passenger side... small omount of rusting above wheel wells... paint beginning to fade an hood... great for all travel, long distance, short commute, offroad, highway... only serious buyers contact for other information $2500 obo
Nice truck, but close to rebuild time (esp. with that K&N IMHO). I wonder what American Racing lock in hubs are? :lmao:

Man Jerk
09-18-2007, 08:45 AM
What could one expect to pay to have a 22RE rebuilt?

Man Jerk
09-18-2007, 08:47 AM
I emailed this guy out of curiosity, but the more I think of it there is no way he's gonna like the offer I would give him.

What say you guys? My guess is it should be more in the realm of $3-$3,500?
http://forum.ih8mud.com/showthread.php?t=169208&highlight=4runner

Red_Chili
09-18-2007, 09:46 AM
That is an exceptional 4Runner with incredibly low miles (which you should CarFax for that reason), the problem is he knows it and then some as you say. You won't touch it for $3K though, and $3.5 is DIRT cheap. $5.5 is rich unless the paint is new, it is rust free (we know it is not), never in an accident, timing chain done, no oil leaks, uber clean inside out and underneath (fat chance, but possible).
Somewhere in the middle is reality IMHO. High 4s max.

It would certainly make a wonderful DD for your wife.

Man Jerk
09-18-2007, 10:02 AM
What would the timing chain service cost, if brought to a dealer.

I know he has had it for sale for a while now. His 'mud ad is dated 7-30, and he does have an old Craigslist ad.

Man Jerk
09-18-2007, 10:20 AM
Waiting back on a call from this one too
http://cosprings.craigslist.org/car/403017274.html

Sounds nice, but it is kind of hard to tell the condition of the exterior and interior from the picture.

Red_Chili
09-18-2007, 11:18 AM
Call Burt on cost, but IIRC about $800 (following the FSM method, replacing the headgasket, which IMHO is the way to do it - and pull the oil pan and clean it out, too!).

The second one looks interesting. I like buying vehicles from fellow pickeypeople.

PatrolMan
09-18-2007, 12:35 PM
When I needed my chain done, I called around just to check parts prices and labor prices. Parts from Burt were by the piece and totalled about $650. That was 5 years ago. To have an independent shop do the job with labor and parts was over $1,500. I opted to do the job myself with DOA kit. Didn't pull the head but did pull the pan. Happy with the job. I know it wasn't 100% correct with the head left on, but for my needs it worked. Besides it was December in the evenings in my driveway. Was in a hurry!

Man Jerk
09-18-2007, 12:42 PM
When I needed my chain done, I called around just to check parts prices and labor prices. Parts from Burt were by the piece and totalled about $650. That was 5 years ago. To have an independent shop do the job with labor and parts was over $1,500. I opted to do the job myself with DOA kit. Didn't pull the head but did pull the pan. Happy with the job. I know it wasn't 100% correct with the head left on, but for my needs it worked. Besides it was December in the evenings in my driveway. Was in a hurry!

For a 22RE??

PatrolMan
09-18-2007, 01:33 PM
Yep, for a 22re. I called multiple places to confirm prices. Dave and I have talked about the DOA problem before. I believe that is what made his engine croak. I have since sold that 4Runner. Didn't have a problem in over 2 years. They were a bit louder. I think the plastic guides soak some of the chain noise. That was my only complaint. I put about 30,000 miles on the chain I think. I don't believe that I would go back to the metal guides. I would use a combination of Toyota parts and aftermarket parts...

Maddmatt
09-18-2007, 03:20 PM
Yep, for a 22re. I called multiple places to confirm prices. Dave and I have talked about the DOA problem before. I believe that is what made his engine croak. I have since sold that 4Runner. Didn't have a problem in over 2 years. They were a bit louder. I think the plastic guides soak some of the chain noise. That was my only complaint. I put about 30,000 miles on the chain I think. I don't believe that I would go back to the metal guides. I would use a combination of Toyota parts and aftermarket parts...

Yeah, that's not a cheap job. When I had my '92 truck (22re) I was getting quotes between $1200 and $1500, and that was, let me think now, over 5 years ago.

Red_Chili
09-19-2007, 07:26 AM
...I believe that is what made his engine croak. ... I don't believe that I would go back to the metal guides. I would use a combination of Toyota parts and aftermarket parts...
I doubt it. Folks have put 100Ks of miles on metal guides.

PatrolMan
09-19-2007, 10:45 AM
I did the chain on my 90 at 180,000ish. No reason to believe it wasn't the original chain set. Also did another chain on a 1986 at 165,000. It really didn't need it but I went ahead and did the job anyways. Again, no reason to believe it wasn't the original chain set. I guess any time that you can get over 150,000 out of parts, you are doing pretty well. I used DOA sets on both engines. Hadn't heard anything bad about them at that point. Dave's is the only one that I have seen in person that has failed. I have heard of a couple others. Not sure how that compares to Toyota failure rate. Everything has a certain percentage rate of premature failure...

Red_Chili
09-19-2007, 11:29 AM
Yeah, let me amend my original statement- I don't believe that metal guides cause engine failures because they are metal guides. They may not have even caused your failure either, Dave: your tensioner appears to have issues (and many of them do. They are, I understand, extremely picky as to fastener torque, and even with care some of them - even Toyota ones - stick. That would have caused any guide to break over time).

I see no issue with 120K-150K service life of plastic guides personally, but many people have been very happy with the metal guides for much longer service life. The real limiting factor, though, is chain life. They don't 'stretch', they wear at all the pivot points and the overall length changes as a result, like a motorcycle chain. Then they start wearing the sprockets on which they ride. The tensioner cannot take up the slack. The guides break, and it goes rapidly downhill from there.

Red_Chili
09-19-2007, 01:23 PM
I have heard of OSK tensioners having issues as well. Nonetheless, your analysis is very believable!

Man Jerk
09-20-2007, 06:14 PM
Any opinions on this one? I think I'm going to look at it this weekend. It's an 86 and they are asking $2800

Well, it's time to sell the winter beater. My wife and I bought this truck during the crazy snow storms we had this last winter, but it doesn't see much usage anymore. We currently have 4 vehicles, and this one has to go. The truck has 242k miles on it. We have replaced the windshield, carpet (there was none), battery, water pump, windshield washer pump, plugs, wires, cap, and rotor. We had an injector flush done, as well as the intake track cleaned, radiator flushed, and ALL lubricants replaced (motor, trans, T-case, diffs). The truck has like new 30" Uniroyal tires with a fairly aggressive tread pattern. Newly installed CD player. The truck has very minor rust went compared to other Toyota trucks that are this old. The rear bumper has been removed since it was bent pretty badly (cause unknown, but it didn't damage the tailgate or quarter panels). This truck has never let us down, and would be a great daily driver, winter beater, or trail runner. Located in Denver, Colorado


http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j279/16sy16/SSPX0139.jpg

Red_Chili
09-21-2007, 08:11 AM
The 22R-E is reliable, but still doesn't last as long as a 2F.
I've heard of 2F rebuilds in the low 100K range, while 22REs in the low 200K range. So I dunno...

Offer 2200.

Man Jerk
09-21-2007, 11:30 AM
Oops, they are asking $2400, not $2800. Bit more reasonable.

Thanks guys for all of your help and opinions. I really do appreciate it. I'll make sure to buy ya'll a round some day.

Hulk
09-21-2007, 11:40 AM
I've heard of 2F rebuilds in the low 100K range, while 22REs in the low 200K range. So I dunno...

I agree. Depends on how they've been driven and maintained. Both are reliable engines.

Offer 1850 and negotiate to 2000.

PatrolMan
09-21-2007, 12:34 PM
I would offer $1800ish as well to settle on $2k. They apparently have too many cars and looks like they live in a condo complex. Likely need to sell it do to condo rules and who knows what else. Be like the Priceline Negotiator!

bskey
09-25-2007, 03:03 PM
If you can get it for $2k, with all the recent maintenance they listed, and a clear title, then I'd consider it a good deal. Stout engine, good drive train, convertable!! Get it before the snow drives the price up!

corsair23
09-30-2007, 02:14 AM
Beatdown83fj60 posted this up in the Craigslist thread...In case you're still looking :)

1985 toyota 4runner - $3200-----------------------------------------------------------------

1985 Toyota 4runner, 1500 miles on new rebuilt engine,new exhaust 2 1/14" tubing high flow cat, and high flow muffler, New every thing under the hood, lots of mechanical work done.

Rare 1985 solid front axle, fuel injected, 5 speed, 4 wheelers dream. Brand new wheels and tires 265/75r15. Body in great shape, interior is even better. Over 3000 put into mechanical work. Does very, very well in the snow. Comes with back seat and (rare!) bolt in pickup floor,also comes with 2" add a leafs for the rear. Great for high schooler or project rock crawler very reliable. http://denver.craigslist.org/car/411087451.html

Man Jerk
09-30-2007, 11:06 PM
I found It!!!

This ad:
http://cosprings.craigslist.org/car/435761321.html

I could not be happier. I paid $1000.

I was just starting to think that I was barking up the wrong tree, and was time to consider something else. I wasn't very happy with anything I had looked at. If I could imagine exactly what I wanted, this is it. The color is even right :thumb:

1986 SR5
3 rust spots, 2 on the passenger rear fender, one on the drivers rear corner. None of them are perforated. The underside is beautiful.

It has every option that I could even conceive. I would be curious to see what was offered for options, because I believe it has every single one.
Air conditioning, cruise control, sunroof, maplights, rear heat, 5 speed, etc.

Interior is in great shape. No rips or tears. A few stains. Luckily I have a friend who is a whiz when it comes to detailing interiors, and he claims he can make it look like new. Good tires too.

Rear bumper is bent. Not too worried about that. Missing the front marker lights and a taillight lens. Has a goofy tube bumper that I'm gonna get rid of. Dash is cracked, I'll deal with that. Needs a radio too.

Gonna start shopping for a motor tomorrow. Just gonna look for a stock motor. Nothing fancy. I'm gonna pull the valve cover tomorrow and see what the cylinder head looks like.

The one pic I forgot, was the one of it sitting in my garage :)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v341/MarkDJ/1986%204%20runner/864runner011.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v341/MarkDJ/1986%204%20runner/864runner012.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v341/MarkDJ/1986%204%20runner/864runner010.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v341/MarkDJ/1986%204%20runner/864runner003.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v341/MarkDJ/1986%204%20runner/864runner002.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v341/MarkDJ/1986%204%20runner/864runner001.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v341/MarkDJ/1986%204%20runner/864runner004.jpg

Man Jerk
09-30-2007, 11:14 PM
Apparently this was one of those Jiffy lube horror stories you hear about. The guy I bought it from has always wanted a 1st gen 22RE 4 runner. He bought it with the motor locked, with the intention of putting a new motor in it. It's been sitting outside his business (he owns a gyro joint) and doesn't have time for it, and needed it gone before it snows.

He was really cool. He asked that I bring it back when I get it running for him to see.

Does anyone know if it is possible to get replacement keys for Yakima racks? I don't have one, and it would be a shame if I had to cut them apart.

bskey
09-30-2007, 11:23 PM
Nice, clean rust free find!!! Now get an engine in that and let's hit the trails!

....why is it these 1st gens never have the factory radio in them?

Vitesse_6
09-30-2007, 11:50 PM
Saw this listing...
http://www.rockymountainextreme.com/showthread.php?t=47315
Sounded good to me but your opinion may differ....

corsair23
10-01-2007, 12:33 AM
Does anyone know if it is possible to get replacement keys for Yakima racks? I don't have one, and it would be a shame if I had to cut them apart.

Congrats on the find :thumb:

I would imagine you should be able to get keys for the Yakima...I know you can for Thule racks. If the Yakima locks are like Thule locks you'd just need to get the number off the lock and probably/maybe :confused: prove somehow to Yakima that you in fact own a Yakima rack with that lock #.

Uncle Ben
10-01-2007, 12:41 AM
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Does anyone know if it is possible to get replacement keys for Yakima racks? I don't have one, and it would be a shame if I had to cut them apart.

Yakama replacement keys... (http://yakima.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/yakima.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=94&p_created=1176419803&p_sid=gQ4693Ni&p_accessibility=0&p_redirect=&p_lva=&p_sp=cF9zcmNoPSZwX3NvcnRfYnk9JnBfZ3JpZHNvcnQ9JnBfcm93X2NudD05Nyw5NyZwX3Byb2RzPSZwX2NhdHM9JnBfcHY9JnBfY3Y9JnBfc2VhcmNoX3R5cGU9YW5zd2Vycy5zZWFyY2hfbmwmcF9wYWdlPTE*&p_li=&p_topview=1)

PatrolMan
10-01-2007, 09:47 AM
When you are looking for the engine for the swap, you may want to consider the Supra swap. I think the actual cost of the engine is a little less if you can find the right car. There is a little more work involved, but I think it would be well worth it. It is apparently almost a bolt in job with some minor mods.

Man Jerk
10-01-2007, 10:26 AM
When you are looking for the engine for the swap, you may want to consider the Supra swap. I think the actual cost of the engine is a little less if you can find the right car. There is a little more work involved, but I think it would be well worth it. It is apparently almost a bolt in job with some minor mods.

I'm going to stay stock with this one. I know that the supra motor is an awesome way to go, but I don't want to put a 2-3" body lift in, or cut the body to make it fit.