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subzali
10-17-2007, 07:32 AM
Background: last winter I was trying to drive my red truck so that I would get good gas mileage and since it's more comfortable than my 40. With the deep snow that lasted a long time it became pretty frustrating because I always had to be careful about where I parked, hills etc. Being 2wd it's pretty worthless in the snow. However, it's nice to drive when there's not snow because it's zippy, reliable (22R-E), small, maneuverable, has payload, and has good heat, a/c, p/s etc. So this summer it hasn't been a problem. But, I took my red truck to the mountains Sunday to find the Kite Lake Trailhead near Alma. As soon as I left the pavement, there was about 3-4 inches of fresh snow on the ground. I was able to make due for a little way but eventually came to a hill that I couldn't get up, and had to just made my way back down. As I was driving home I couldn't help but be bothered that the feelings of helplessness in the snow were coming back, and so I started thinking...

I've wanted a diesel Cruiser for a long time. For many reasons. But mostly because something like a BJ60 (readily available to import from Canada) is more comfortable than my 40 for road trips, has p/s, has a higher payload capability (I do haul stuff once in a while), gets around 24-30 mpg from what I've heard, and, once turbo'd, has decent power. It's also a Cruiser, and I've learned a lot about Cruisers from my 40, and it's pretty cheap (4-5K for a decent one). So I'm thinking - maybe I should bump up my timeline a bit (because it's GOING to happen, it's just a matter of when) and start thinking about getting one maybe even before this winter gets out. I would use it as a daily driver, ski trips, climbing, camping, Utah, whatever - all purpose. The only other vehicle that I would really consider is a Tacoma (probably late 90s or early 2000s 4-cyl) due to the gas mileage constraint - an 80 would be nice but it just isn't that good - my dad's gets max like 17 or 18, and only 14 or so when I drive it :rolleyes: :D. Really a Taco doesn't have any appeal for me personally though, so I'm having a hard time justifying the extra $$ that I would need for it. So I just wanted to bounce ideas around, especially with guys and gals in the club that understand the addiction :hill:

What do YOU think I should look at?

Uncle Ben
10-17-2007, 07:52 AM
So I just wanted to bounce ideas around, especially with guys and gals in the club that understand the addiction :hill:

What do YOU think I should look at?


A man in your place in life should be looking here. (http://www.floridabikinis.com/)

DaveInDenver
10-17-2007, 08:00 AM
So I just wanted to bounce ideas...
So that link wasn't just a coincidence?

MDH33
10-17-2007, 08:25 AM
A man in your place in life should be looking here. (http://www.floridabikinis.com/)

So that link wasn't just a coincidence?


:lmao::D


Seriously though, I think a BJ60 would be a great daily driver. Or even a deisel 70 series if you could find one (about the same cost as a Tacoma). I love my 60 for most driving situations, camping, skiing, road trips. It's just the crumby gas mileage that makes it "unperfect".

subzali
10-17-2007, 08:28 AM
Sorry UB, that won't help me get to the mountains :D

It was funny though ;)

FJBen
10-17-2007, 08:37 AM
I can tell you my next logical step. TROOPY. Diesel, LHD, 40 appeal, WAY more room, still top removable. and FULLY backed by the :Princess:

I agree about the mileage, and I don't ever drive anywhere. I would like something we could camp in, wheel, tow a very small trailer and mileage would be nice :D

I think the BJ60's are bargain I think in the diesel world. Go to canada eh!

acon40
10-17-2007, 09:01 AM
I am kind of in the same boat. I want a diesel.

Option 1. Now to swap it into my 80 I am looking at current bill of 12-14k. This gives me my current 80 in the 20mpg rang.

Option 2. Go and snag one from Canada....parts will take time to get but look at 5-10k for a nice rig that is toyota diesel.

Option 3. VW Golf TDI (just the car I like). Wife has one. I am constant at 50mpg and I can get a 99-02 style for about 6-10k.

As much as I want to do the diesel swap, to me the VW seems to be the best option. I save money to travel around, I have a car I can service at many dealers or the such and overall less parts struggle. Don't get me wrong, I love the cruiser. I love my 80, but for every day stuff I am more then fine in a little zippy VW. Just the same logic as Romer to extent I suppose.

See if I dig into the 80 and swap stuff around, I feel this will turn into my old jeep. 85% of the year its in parts being worked on. I miss that truck since I never got to enjoy it and I was to wrapped up in it. Yea, a second TDI adds a third car, but it's fun to change up. I bought the cruiser knowing I had to give things up in terms of mpg or the such, but at the same time I have the option in snow or bad weather now to have a way around. Of course, to each their own and what works for me may not work for others.

wesintl
10-17-2007, 09:18 AM
gets around 24-30 mpg from what I've heard

22-23, you might get 25 if going down hill all day. 30 is imperial.

subzali
10-17-2007, 10:11 AM
Hm...in the Legendary Land Cruisers documentary Marv Specter had a BJ40 he said got around 30...maybe he was talking imperial, but I was figuring around 24-25 top end.

Question for 60 series guys/gals: is the 60 a fairly decent (read: quiet-ish, warm, comfortable) for on-road use? Or is it not much better than my buckboard 40? Is a Tacoma really *that* much better?

Rezarf
10-17-2007, 10:26 AM
Matt-

If you are going to go to Canada to buy a cruiser, get one that is obviously different. I vote for a bj70 or similar, you can still get the desiel, but have a much more unique cruiser that still meets your criteria.

And, when you need to sell it, you can sell it to me :D

Either way a desiel makes a lot of sense.

CardinalFJ60
10-17-2007, 10:42 AM
...and saw lots of cool Prados (looked like 70 series wagon) diesel of course, and plenty of diesel 40s.

I'd go that route, still a cruiser, and the cool factor is off the charts.

subzali
10-17-2007, 11:28 AM
I guess a 60 is a STEP for me - trust me I have ulterior motives but they require me to wait for a few more years so there aren't any gray areas to deal with. Much more desirable trucks on my radar for the future, but I figured a Canadian-spec 60 would be good for getting my feet wet with Toyota diesels and the general importation process.

Rezarf
10-17-2007, 11:57 AM
Over 25 years old and drive it home...

Ask Jeff Zepp.

MDH33
10-17-2007, 11:57 AM
Question for 60 series guys/gals: is the 60 a fairly decent (read: quiet-ish, warm, comfortable) for on-road use? Or is it not much better than my buckboard 40? Is a Tacoma really *that* much better?

My 60 is like a Cadillac compared to my 40. I've driven it on 2500+ mile road trips several times since I've owned it and it's a pleasure to drive. Not fast, but comfortable and reliable. I also like the huge cargo area in 60's. The seats lay flat and you can easily stretch out in the back or fill it with gear.

If you want to test drive mine, check out the interior, etc. let me know.

Jenny Cruiser
10-17-2007, 12:46 PM
I'd like a diesel as well and have been thinking much the same thing as Matt. If I could have anything I'd like an HDJ80 turbo diesel, but I know that's not likely to happen. I'll prolly end up going with a crew cab 4cyl or SC'd Taco.

But, if I do the math I'd be happier with another locked 80. I could get one for about half of what I'd prolly pay for a decent Taco. The savings plus grin factor would more than offset the additional $ sucked down an 80's tank. An 80 is the only vehicle I can see myself owning/driving indefinitely.

What to do...:confused:

subzali
10-17-2007, 02:22 PM
I'd like a diesel as well and have been thinking much the same thing as Matt. If I could have anything I'd like an HDJ80 turbo diesel, but I know that's not likely to happen.

What to do...:confused:

What 'til 2015 :D

treerootCO
10-17-2007, 02:36 PM
Diesel Fj45LV? I can get you a shell for around $4,500.

Bruce Miller
10-17-2007, 02:38 PM
The Specter Off Road classifieds show two 1985 BJ60's for sale, both in California. The silver one looks very clean.

Hulk
10-17-2007, 02:44 PM
The Specter Off Road classifieds show two 1985 BJ60's for sale, both in California. The silver one looks very clean.

Nice. Here's the link (http://www.sor.com/sor/showclassphoto.tam?xax=964&key%2Ectx=castle%2Ejeff%40gmail%2Ecom%2D09%2F16%2F07%2D09%3A43%3A26&year%2Ectx=1985&model%2Ectx=BJ60&city%2Ectx=Berkeley&state%2Ectx=CA&backto=%2Fsor%2Fclass%5Fresult%2Etam). $15k though, not $5k.
http://www.sor.com/sor/photos/castle.jeff.jpg

Hulk
10-17-2007, 02:45 PM
What's the difference between an HJ60 and a BJ60? They're both diesels, right?

subzali
10-17-2007, 02:52 PM
B is 4 cyl like Wes', H is 6 cyl like Jeff's old truck. I think the H generally came with an auto in the Canadian market. I'm not sure if the B came with a 4 spd, 5 spd, or both depending on the model year.

wesintl
10-17-2007, 03:12 PM
I think you would like THIS (http://www.custom-cruisers.com/Clubfzge/trans79.jpg)

Bruce Miller
10-17-2007, 03:21 PM
The 1985 BJ60 will have an H55F 5 speed transmission with a split transfer case. It will have a 3B, 4 cylinder 3.4 liter engine. It will get good fuel economy but won't have much power. A nice truck to commute in or drive around town in. The HJ60 has a 6 cylinder 2H, 4 liter engine and either an H55F or an A440 transmission. Same power as the BJ60. Both are easily turbocharged which makes a huge difference in performance. An AXT turbo kit is about $3K to $3.5K out of Australia. The $15K asking price for the silver BJ60 is a little on the steep side, maybe $5K too high.

MDH33
10-17-2007, 03:41 PM
Head to South America and bring one of these home with you:

http://www.brian894x4.com/BJ55LP2BL.jpg

:thumb:

treerootCO
10-17-2007, 03:44 PM
Don't rule out the '86 Fierro :D

FJBen
10-17-2007, 03:58 PM
Don't rule out the '86 Fierro :D


DEFINITELY don't rule out the "sports cars" of the 80's ;)

http://64.17.190.253/1987%20Fiero%20GT%206-24-06%20%201.jpg

nuclearlemon
10-17-2007, 05:32 PM
outside of the worn seat and crappy power, i loved roadtripping in my 60. far more comfortable and quiet than the 40

Hulk
10-17-2007, 06:08 PM
i loved roadtripping in my 60. far more comfortable and quiet than the 40

That's what I thought about Shark Bait's pig when I rode with him in Moab. Much more comfortable ride in every regard compared to my 40.

treerootCO
10-17-2007, 06:49 PM
http://denver.craigslist.org/car/449458559.html

subzali
10-19-2007, 07:10 AM
Yesterday was a good Cruiser karma day - saw a 40, 60, two 62s and an 80. Must mean I'm supposed to go for it :D

MDH33
10-19-2007, 08:27 AM
Yesterday was a good Cruiser karma day - saw a 40, 60, two 62s and an 80. Must mean I'm supposed to go for it :D

Bio-diesel LHD 70, go for it indeed:

http://rockies.craigslist.org/car/444866804.html

if you don't jump on it, I might have to.

:thumb:

FJBen
10-19-2007, 08:58 AM
Bio-diesel LHD 70, go for it indeed:

http://rockies.craigslist.org/car/444866804.html

if you don't jump on it, I might have to.

:thumb:

Niiice! I'd be all over that...if I had money :lmao: Hey subzali...you can buy it, and I'll trade you my 40 :lmao::thumb:

subzali
10-19-2007, 09:05 AM
A plain-jane 70 isn't on my radar currently...plus I've gotta save some :twocents: up too :eek:

subzali
10-19-2007, 12:15 PM
The HJ60 has a 6 cylinder 2H, 4 liter engine and either an H55F or an A440 transmission. Same power as the BJ60. Both are easily turbocharged which makes a huge difference in performance. The $15K asking price for the silver BJ60 is a little on the steep side, maybe $5K too high.

I didn't know that the HJ60 came into Canada with a 5 speed, I thought they were all autos. Well now I'm gonna redirect my focus on the HJs, as the BJ was just to get the 5spd.

I agree, $15K is a little steep due to the only difference is that they are already in the US rather than in Canada.

treerootCO
10-19-2007, 12:21 PM
Why not put a Duramax into an Fj45LV?

http://www.risingsun4x4club.org/forum2/showthread.php?t=5048

wesintl
10-19-2007, 01:16 PM
I don't recall the #'s but they are split between the auto and 5 speed and there were way more bj60's than hj' iirc. The 3b is sleeved so you can really rebuild it alot if needed. I think it's easier to turbo yourself unless you buy the turboglide kit. There is a tad more hp with the hj but not that noticable IMHO. It's been a while since I drove a plain jane hj though. Personally I think the B series is the way to go for what you want.

subzali
10-19-2007, 01:51 PM
Hm...I'll have to look into more of that stuff, thanks for the heads-up on rebuilds. I'll have to see how complicated turbos are for both, and check availability on 5spd HJs. Since it's a Canadian truck the 21/25 year rules don't really apply right? I'm pretty sure that's what I've been hearing.

Sorry 'Root, I think LVs are cool but I'd rather have the removable top of the 47 series...

treerootCO
10-19-2007, 02:05 PM
Would you change your mind if it was free?

Rzeppa
10-19-2007, 02:07 PM
FYI, most all BJ70s that are still left in the GWN are either rust buckets or way overpriced (not to mention the loonie is now more than $1 USD). Same with the BJ60s. There weren't as many HJ60s as BJ60s according to my buddies up there, and most of them are rust buckets too. The 60 series has that frame-rot issue at the rear crossmember. Actually, from the rear axle rearward is a huge rust problem on 60s, especially from up there.

Trivia: the BJ60s were all 12V and the HJ60s were all 24V. IIRC, BJ70s were 12V in 1985 and 24V in 1986 and 1987. Over on the diesel list there have been many threads over the years about one battery draining faster than the other due to imbalanced charge and discharge.

FWIW, my 1997 HZJ75 had the 1HZ diesel, not the 2H. Overhead cam and all that, very different engine other than they are both inline 6s. Very smooth, quiet diesel, extremely reliable. Not any more power than a 2F but torque to pull the statue of liberty. If I had another one I'd definitely turbo it to be able to go up the passes at a reasonable speed. Because the injection is entirely mechanical, there's no compensation for thin air.

I'm still looking for a clean FJ60 for my wife, waiting for a good deal to come along. Sure, they get crappy mileage (fully smogged), but they're a lot cheaper than a BJ or HJ60, and finding a clean, rust free one here is a lot cheaper than bringing an oil burner in from the GWN.

subzali
10-19-2007, 03:08 PM
'Root, I don't have the room man :(

Jeff, you're very right about the rust, and therein lies the rub: I've heard that oiling the frame yearly is about the only thing that has kept some of these vehicles from dying a slow rotting death, and a couple I've seen have actually had that done and are in goodish condition, but you're right - it's hard to find. And the Colorado weather doesn't help all that much either unfortunately once I get it down here...