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farnhamstj
12-15-2007, 08:52 AM
My tires, Nitto TG 297 75 16 have 37k on them and are getting down to 1/8-3/16 tread. I figure I can drive them another 5-7k. They definatly are not as good in the snow as the last 2 winters. Would you wait 'till spring and replace them then? or suck it up and replace them now. Think I'm going BFG AT 295 75 16. at $194 each. That new BFG m2? won't be available untill 10/08 can't wait that long. Kind of want a mud tire but seems like they all blow on icy pavement. :blah::blah::blah:

Rezarf
12-15-2007, 09:48 AM
My tires, Nitto TG 297 75 16 have 37k on them and are getting down to 1/8-3/16 tread. I figure I can drive them another 5-7k. They definatly are not as good in the snow as the last 2 winters. Would you wait 'till spring and replace them then? or suck it up and replace them now. Think I'm going BFG AT 295 75 16. at $194 each. That new BFG m2? won't be available untill 10/08 can't wait that long. Kind of want a mud tire but seems like they all blow on icy pavement. :blah::blah::blah:

I think only the 15" rims are delayed in being released, I think the 16s should be around. Have you checked locally? Reviews are making them seem like they are a good tire.

Romer
12-15-2007, 10:10 AM
The BFG AT Ko's are a great tire. We have them on 3 of our vehicles. Great snow and wheeling tires.

My truck has Toyo MTRs because I wanted something a bit more aggresive offroad. These are awesome in the snow, but wear a lot faster than the BFG AT KO.

We put together this FAQ on tires thats really generic to any 4WD. Maybe you will find something useful here

http://forum.ih8mud.com/showthread.php?t=114057

AxleIke
12-15-2007, 10:33 AM
I'm pretty sure the smallest you can get on the KM2 right now for a 16 is a 315. I know for a fact that the 315s are out and being sold.

The AT's are a good tire. I'm hearing that the Nittos are a better street performer though. Offroad the BFG seems still to have a slight edge, but most are claiming that the Nitto is far superior onroad.

Just my internet webwheeling experience though. I've only ever owned BFG's and love them.

Corbet
12-15-2007, 10:39 AM
I don't share Ken's opinion on the BFG AT's. Personally I would never run them again. I do not like them in the snow. They are good when new but after 5-8K they loose their grip. Also suck when the temp drops down like today.

I've spoke with a number of people running the DC Fun Country II's up here and they seem to like them in the snow.

Did you not like your Nitto's? Why won't you buy them again?

I'd also replace them now if you use the 100 as the family truck.

Red_Chili
12-15-2007, 11:48 AM
Though this varies from what some of you cruiser guys claim, I find my MT/Rs to be superior snow and ice tires without siping even. It's what sold me on them. I find BFG AT KOs to be just OK in comparison. Not bad, but not as good.

It must be a cruiser thing. I wouldn't understand. :lmao:

BFG MTs (the design only recently replaced, can't speak to the new ones) suck until siped.

Just saying that MTs do not necessarily suck on ice, and if they do, sometimes fixing that is simple.

AxleIke
12-15-2007, 12:05 PM
I think it has to do with power, personally.

Seems everyone who has big power has issues with the BFG's. Not always, but seems to be the trend.

Let me put it this way. In order for mine to loose traction, on any icy or slick surface, I have to do one of two things. I have to put it in 2wd, down shift, and gun the motor to 4k to get them to kick out in the rear. OR, alternatively, I have to get a bit of speed, and then STAND on the brakes to slide out. In 4wd, on empty roads and streets, I've played around a bit, and the thing will not lose it.

I'm telling you, 95 horse is where it's at. Just enough power to go forward, but not enough to break anything, or lose control.

Red_Chili
12-15-2007, 06:31 PM
Well...
with BFG MTs, my powerhouse 3.0 4Runner (Red Chili I) had no problem scaring the crap out of me. Especially when trying to stop! Siping made them behave. Like, right about how MT/Rs behave *without* siping.

subzali
12-15-2007, 07:11 PM
I *love* my MT/Rs in the snow/ice. Can't say enough about them. 'Cept I don't drive the truck enough to worry about mileage. I think I'm averaging 4-5K a year so obviously YMMV.

Convert
12-15-2007, 08:00 PM
BFG MT/R's have served me well over the years. Ice ,Snow,Mud and Rocks they seem to hold up very well and provide good traction in most conditions. I have had them siped and not siped and prefer them unsiped. (spelling?) I am looking at looking at Swamper Trex MT's and BFG KM2"s when I go to 35"S
Just my 2 cents
Dan:thumb:

corsair23
12-16-2007, 01:24 AM
Get some new tread for the winter and keep the old ones. Throw the old ones back on next spring and wear 'em out over the summer, then switch back to your new tires :D

FWIW, I REALLY like my Toyo MTs (siped). They've been great in everything from the blizzards last year, through Moab and the summer, and so far this year. Biggest con is how heavy they are.

My :Princess:'s 80 will need new tires in the not too distant future but since her 80 is strictly an on road vehicle I'll probably give the Bridgestone AT REVOs another go. I had them on both my old Durango and Liberty and they did just fine. I was contemplating the BFG ATs but there seems to be no consensus on those for a heavy vehicle like the 80. I'd put the Toyo MTs on the 80 in a heartbeat if it weren't for the weight and $$ factor.

On a side/funny note I saw a vehicle the other day with Michellin LTXs that had been siped. Those suckers come from the factory with pretty serious siping as it is. Seemed like overkill but who knows...

ScaldedDog
12-16-2007, 09:14 PM
The BFG AT Ko's are a great tire.

x2, at least on my tow rig. Even with 40K on them, I was the first one out of the hood when it snowed 30" last December. (Having an 8000lb truck helps.) I much prefer my new E-rated ones to the D-rated ones for towing, though.

Mark

AxleIke
12-16-2007, 09:15 PM
Well...
with BFG MTs, my powerhouse 3.0 4Runner (Red Chili I) had no problem scaring the crap out of me. Especially when trying to stop! Siping made them behave. Like, right about how MT/Rs behave *without* siping.

Yeah, I've heard the MTs are much worse. Never driven them. Only the AT's.

farnhamstj
12-16-2007, 09:21 PM
Loved the Nitto's for the 1st 30k. Got the nitto's from Discount tire and couldn't have been happier with them(nitto and Discount). But it's 100+ miles from my house. Big O just opened 5 min down the road. I had bfg at on my taco and liked them. fj40 had BfG MT, horrible on icy pavement. I think I want something more agressive and would buy that new m2 based on the marketing materials I've read so far, some might call them reviews.

Hulk
12-16-2007, 11:30 PM
My BFG ATs are getting towards the end of their life, but they've still been solid and grippy in the recent snow and ice. I've been surprised and pleased.

Spiderlegs
12-17-2007, 11:40 PM
Green Diamond may or may not have the size you are looking for but are one of the coolest tires available. Sold Through Big O and also their Wholesaler which is Performance Wheel and Tire. They have only a few different tread designs but the cool factor is the thousands of industrial diamonds molded into the tread for added traction. Do a search of Green Diamond tires. I am putting them on everything I own that they will have a size for.
Neil O'Malley

Corbet
12-18-2007, 09:49 AM
Too bad the largest tire listed on Green Diamond's website is 265/75r16

Magoo
12-19-2007, 12:58 PM
dont leave out the cooper stt's.i had em on my taco last winter and LOVED EM!they went everywhere i pointed the truck.deep snow,ice,rain.great tire, i will be putting them on the 85 hopefully.

subzali
12-19-2007, 01:15 PM
Goodyear Wranglers worked pretty well on the 'burb last winter coming back from Ouray in the thick of the first big snowstorm. Got back into town with 18" of snow on the road and just kept driving through everything.

wesintl
12-19-2007, 01:19 PM
What's the tire ben has on his 100, gy a/t extreme? I've always been impressed with where they go offroad and of course it's on the street and goes skiing alot. I dunno if he would recommend them or not.

powderpig
12-20-2007, 05:02 AM
Well I was looking for the Yokohama IT and they no longer make them in the 315 size, I am bummed. Sean (mtnrat) in Fernie BC spoke highly of them, and how great they were in his conditions. If the Green Diamond tire was in the size I would pop for a set. Wanted a deticated snow and ice tire for the wife to have on the cruiser. So I am looking for a decitated snow and ice rated tire for driving up and down the hill. Any how If i find what I want I will let you know. The ice is finally off the road (sunshine canyon) and down to dry pavement. But the dirt roads up here are still snow packed. What I found interesting is the roads have never been plowed around flatirons school(were ty goes to school). Just the main drags and no other roads. It has been a fun mess to drive around in. later Robbie

Corbet
12-20-2007, 10:45 AM
Nokian makes the Vatiiva in a 315/75r16

powderpig
12-20-2007, 08:48 PM
Yes I had heard of this tire as well. It is only a AT, not a snow and ice tire. But the tread is really nice with lots of sipes. It does chart out as a 34.8 tire with out load. It is a nice choice, with a quote of $247 on the rim. I will look a bit longer for other options. Thanks for pointing it out. later Robbie

Nay
12-20-2007, 11:48 PM
Trxus MT's are unbelievable in the snow, including icy hardpack. Good soft compound and a ton of siping on the inner treads. I won't run anything else - BFG AT's are not anywhere near this class of snow performance.

powderpig
12-21-2007, 05:25 AM
Been there, done that. They sucked for keeping balanced and were real heavy. Sucked some fue ecomany. I had days of the flat spotting real bad, never could get a real good tire pressure. I tried these when they first came out and the quailty control may not of been as good. But for a daily driving tire, it is not what I want. I have 36'' swampers for the hard stuff, do not need to try them again. I know Kevin has used them with great success, but only get about 20k or so out of them, That is not real good for a daily driving tire. Good choice for you maybe, but does not fit my needs. Thanks Robbie

farnhamstj
12-21-2007, 07:38 PM
Almost went into the back end of an Audi yesterday. Turned left going less than 5 mph, truck no turn, heart rate hit max rate. Time to buy. I'm going bfg AT. Gotta be a good hwy tire, and everything runs well in Moab. I'm trying to get them on before snow and pizza.

Uncle Ben
12-21-2007, 08:04 PM
Been there, done that. They sucked for keeping balanced and were real heavy. Sucked some fue ecomany. I had days of the flat spotting real bad, never could get a real good tire pressure. I tried these when they first came out and the quailty control may not of been as good. But for a daily driving tire, it is not what I want. I have 36'' swampers for the hard stuff, do not need to try them again. I know Kevin has used them with great success, but only get about 20k or so out of them, That is not real good for a daily driving tire. Good choice for you maybe, but does not fit my needs. Thanks Robbie

My buds in SD swear by the Cepek Fun Country ll's for all terrain and snow tire. I will be running them next summer for my dd light wheeling tires.

Bikeman
12-22-2007, 10:37 AM
So far in the snow and ice, the Maxxis Bighorns have done pretty well for being a MT.

farnhamstj
01-02-2008, 03:17 PM
Done today. BFG AT ko 295.75.R16 D $200 each. Ran great the 5 miles I drove them home. Get to test them for real sat at Snow & pizza. Big-O sent me on my way with 47psi each. Very happy with the service. Let my kids roll 21's around the store and climb all over the bling rims without giving me a lecture. Gave kids baloons, even replacements when they went to the ceiling. Even got 2 littl'o stuffed toys to play with. Even have road side assistance if I get a flat. I'll call them from the top of Battlement Mesa next flat just for a laugh.

nuclearlemon
01-02-2008, 04:52 PM
I wish i had the money to get rid of my gy mtrs...i hate these. i've had good luck with bfg's except for their stupid new "rim protector". won't run them again until they get rid of that. thinking toyo's, but i'll have to check out that green diamond.

PabloCruise
01-02-2008, 06:00 PM
Well...
with BFG MTs, my powerhouse 3.0 4Runner (Red Chili I) had no problem scaring the crap out of me. Especially when trying to stop!

fj40 had BfG MT, horrible on icy pavement...

I've got the old style BFG MT's - 33x12.5

Day after Christmas was fairly slick up here. I was heading out of the neighborhood, the 40 was stone cold, I was in 2nd gear going slow to warm her up.

A small-ish dog darted out in front of me, I hit the brakes - all 4 lock up.

Long story short, I ran over the dog with the rear wheel. :(