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Red_Chili
12-20-2007, 02:48 PM
Thought I would keep the club abreast of a conversation I've started with Pike NF, instigated by a thread on CO 4x4, Jimfoo to be specific.

My email to them:
From: w_morgan@someemailprovider.com []
To: r2_psicc_webmail@fs.fed.us
Subject: Top of the World 4x4 route (Buffalo Creek)
Date: Dec 20, 2007 10:48 AM
Good morning, and Happy Holidays!
I understand that the Top of the World 4x4 route has the possibility of being reopened.
For years I enjoyed following that route on my dualsport motorcycle, and would ENTHUSIASTICALLY
support efforts to reopen it. Undoubtedly there will need to be signage, restoration,
and even some visually agreeable fencing to keep the route sustainable and environmentally
responsible.

I am an enthusiastic supporter of multiple use routes in our public lands, and as
demand increases from the motorized, mechanized, and foot travel users in the front
range, these become even more valuable and deserving of attention. Please include
me as a volunteer to help in the efforts to reopen this route, and I will also bring
this to our 4x4 club's attention for more volunteerism.

As you are aware, the 4x4 community has set a high standard in volunteerism in the
wake of the Hayman fire, leading to the reopening of several lost routes. This
same enthusiasm can be applied to the Top of the World route.

Thank you for the great job you are doing in managing the Pike NF in the Front Range
area! Your work is greatly appreciated.

Bill Morgan
Rising Sun 4x4 Club
Land Use Coordinator
[my address]
Littleton, CO 80120
(303)xxx-xxxx (cell)

Red_Chili
12-20-2007, 02:49 PM
Their reply, same day even!
Bill, thank you for your interest.

Currently the Forest Service doesn't have any plans to re-open the Top of
the World road or the old campground. As you now it was burned over during
the Buffalo Fire and the facilities have been removed. The road is
passable and hikeable, but is not open to vehicles with the exception of a
private landholder for access to his in-holding.

This doesn't mean it won't be open in the future.

Please continue to enjoy your National Forests.

NEAL P. WEIERBACH
Recreation Program Manager
Pike & San Isabel National Forests
Cimarron & Comanche National Grasslands
719.553.1510, fax 719.553.1440
or nweierbach@fs.fed.us

Red_Chili
12-20-2007, 02:51 PM
And my re-reply:
From: w_morgan@someemailprovider.com
To: Neal Weierbach <nweierbach@fs.fed.us>
Subject: Re: Top of the World
Date: Dec 20, 2007 2:43 PM
Thanks for getting back to me, Neal. As you know, the 4x4 community has been heavily
involved in helping stabilize, revegetate, and rework routes in the Hayman burn,
so I wanted to express our interest in doing the same with Top of the World. As
a Land Use Coordinator, I find that it builds links between OHV users, USFS personnel,
and shared environmental values that can pay off multiple dividends as time goes
by. It also sets an example of responsible use and a sense of ownership regarding
our remaining trails and roads - fostering a self-policing attitude that tolerates
no abuse by casual users.

I hope we can be of service in the future, and do please keep me advised as to any
progress in this regard.

Happy holidays!
-Bill

MDH33
12-20-2007, 02:58 PM
Right On Bill. :thumb:

What can you tell us about the route, I'm unfamiliar with it. Any history?

DaveInDenver
12-20-2007, 02:59 PM
I've never heard about that, cool. I ride on the Front Range MTB Patrol (FRMBP), we volunteer our summers to ride the trails within the Buff Creek Rec Area. We've been doing it for 11 years (since the year after the fire) and the USFS is happy with the help. So much so they are building several new trails on the west side of 126. Top of the World is FS538 and sort of an alternate to the first section of the Colorado Trail, so we get a lot of people starting in Waterton and through hiking and biking. Anyway, if it helps, I don't mind doing what I can and if it helps to throw out that the Rising Sun has FRMBP riders might lend street cred to multi-use or whatever.

http://www.frmbp.org/

DaveInDenver
12-20-2007, 03:12 PM
Right On Bill. :thumb:

What can you tell us about the route, I'm unfamiliar with it. Any history?
This was a road that went out to Chair Rocks and a campground before the fire in 1996. People still hike out there and guys do climb over there. It's not far off the actual CT. Here's some photos of the area from a couple of Octobers ago (we did the CT from Buffalo Creek back to Waterton).

Red_Chili
12-20-2007, 07:09 PM
If it is the same location, part of Top of the World also left the S. Platte at an old structure known as the South Platte Hotel behind Sprucewood Inn, thence westerly up the hill. Not sure if that is included. It may or may not happen but I took it as an opportunity to express interest and build a relationship.

subzali
12-21-2007, 07:28 AM
Good work Bill! I was wondering if it was possible to not just have knee-jerk reactions to trail closures but somehow find a way to reopen old treads! This answers my question, thank you!

Dave, that looks like Section 2 of the CT right?

JadeRunner
12-21-2007, 07:46 AM
We used to ride our street bikes to Top of the world for evening rides in the summer in the 80's. It was nice, but I remember it only being a picnic area. That came to a stop for me after I hit a dog at 50 mph in downtown Pine. I did an endo - I was young and dumb.