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subzali
02-20-2008, 04:11 PM
Who's interested?

I am thinking mid or late March, but what do you guys think about when the best time for this will be (before Cruise Moab)?

timmbuck2
02-20-2008, 04:24 PM
Count me in, will check the schedule when I get home...

corsair23
02-20-2008, 04:29 PM
I'm in, assuming date and time work out. I just realized that we only have a couple months to get ready for CM08 :eek: - So much I didn't get done last year before the trip that still needs to be done...

nuclearlemon
02-20-2008, 04:33 PM
i always have work that needs to be done ;)

RicardoJM
02-20-2008, 05:00 PM
I would be in for a bearing packing party.

MDH33
02-20-2008, 05:11 PM
Absolutely In. :thumb: I need to order some parts from CDan!

Inukshuk
02-20-2008, 05:43 PM
I need to do the real wheel bearings (1993 FZJ80) so I'd be in if we did that. I have never done them.

I have done birfields a few times so I probably could be of some help there and I do have the big socket.

Crash
02-20-2008, 07:08 PM
Don't have any bearings that need to be packed but will do what I can to be there to help. Having been a newb at the WBP get together back in '00, I know how reassuring it is to have an experienced hand guide you through an important fact of Toyota life. Clean snug well greased bearings are cool!

Hants
02-20-2008, 07:57 PM
I'd love to come... I'll be on vacation March 14-28. Outside of that would be my preference. :)

Red_Chili
02-21-2008, 08:45 AM
Anytime other than 3/14-17 will work. I actually DO have wheel bearings that need packing. In fact, a full front axle service and R&R the longfields. Think that might be a bit much? I figger four hours tops.

RockRunner
02-21-2008, 09:19 AM
I am up for it, can always find things to do.

subzali
02-21-2008, 09:26 AM
Well I'm trying to get two things done before CM'08 - the WBPP and the First Aid Class. I don't want them to interfere and the First Aid Class can be open on the weekends of March 22 and 29. So if we do the WBPP in April will that be getting too close to Moab?

As far as what will be allowed, I have been talking with a few people who have warned me about allowing projects that are too involved. Of course it will ultimately be up to the shop owner, but I would feel better not allowing a full front axle service or even a Lockright install, mostly because the front axle service is a full day job and it's messy, and the Lockright install may run into unforeseen issues that would make it take longer than the standard 2-hour job it could be. This isn't really to get every little thing done on your truck that you can before Moab, you have a garage for that. It's about doing tune-up type stuff (with front (and rear full float) wheel bearing packing allowed), maybe having a barbecue, hanging out with friends from the club to do some light wrenching/gawking/bsing and NOT TO GET ON THE BAD SIDE OF SHOP OWNERS! Also if there is a problem that's being chased that it would be helpful to have a few extra eyes on, that is also what this is for. And for the 80 series guys, to show off your mods :p:

Sorry I'm having to put my foot down a little, but since this is the first one we've done in a while I don't want us to get in too far over our heads.

60wag
02-21-2008, 10:40 AM
My bearings are freshly packed, and I'm not going to make Moab this year but I'd be up for the WBPP. I've got a couple of tools made up to press in new bearings and seals if anyone wants to use them.

Red_Chili
02-21-2008, 01:04 PM
...the front axle service is a full day job and it's messy, and the Lockright install may run into unforeseen issues that would make it take longer than the standard 2-hour job it could be.
Front axle service and longfields are no more than 4 hours (more like 3 really) for me, but I will respect your limits. Who is doing a Lockright?

I can do my stuff at home if need be.

subzali
02-21-2008, 01:46 PM
Wow, you're really fast Bill! Is that for both sides? Could I come be a fly on the wall next time you do one, I would really like to know how to streamline the process! I can barely get all the pieces out and back in in that amount of time, let alone clean stuff, replace seals, and repack grease. Am I the only one that takes so long to do this? I know the first time a couple years ago took an excessively long time, but my boss and I did his 60 in about 12-14 total man hours, and I thought that was reasonable! I didn't time myself this last time when putting a new 3rd member in, but I'm still sure I was around the 8-10 hour mark!

I don't know if anybody was planning on doing a Lockright or equivalent, but I am deferring to the experience of, well, experienced professionals, who felt that for the purposes of this "first in a while" event, we should start conservatively and see where it takes us in future years. I know mine was easy, but I remember that I was pretty close on some of the tolerances, which would have taken a lot of work to restore properly if needed - I guess at that point you could always just throw your spider gears back in to get it out of the shop, but I don't really want to go there.

Jacket
02-21-2008, 03:25 PM
Count me in

nuclearlemon
02-21-2008, 05:33 PM
Wow, you're really fast Bill! Is that for both sides? Could I come be a fly on the wall next time you do one, I would really like to know how to streamline the process!

I don't know if anybody was planning on doing a Lockright or equivalent, .

after the first birf cleaning, it goes a lot quicker. if you do it every couple of years, there's not much to clean and air tools let you zip right through it.

as for the lockright, you just missed it...i just put one in the pig a month ago. didn't check the tolerances though...never done that when i've put in drop in lockers.

Rzeppa
02-21-2008, 05:50 PM
Who's interested?

I am thinking mid or late March, but what do you guys think about when the best time for this will be (before Cruise Moab)?
As I mentioned at (January meeting I think?) I'll be happy to coordinate, we just need a shop and date. Matt, I got your PM via email, since my PM box is nearly full I'll reply via email.

Rzeppa
02-21-2008, 05:57 PM
Absolutely In. :thumb: I need to order some parts from CDan!
Normally we do a group buy through the dealer who is sponsoring our meetings. The discount we receive is equivalent to most all of the out of state cruiser vendors. The coordinator (I have volunteered for this) buys the parts, picks them up from the dealership (or parts store for grease and fluids) and then is reimbursed at the WBPP by the individuals who the parts are for. We always try to support the dealership who supports us.

However, participants are welcome to bring their own stuff. Obviously Stevinson isn't a Lockright dealer, and there are some types of other projects where the parts aren't available through the dealer.

Assuming we can get a shop to host the event, I'll post up a more detailed description of what a typical WBPP entails in a new thread.

Rzeppa
02-21-2008, 05:58 PM
I need to do the real wheel bearings (1993 FZJ80) so I'd be in if we did that. I have never done them.

I have done birfields a few times so I probably could be of some help there and I do have the big socket.

They are the same design as my HZJ75 was, and I've worked on the rears of FJZ80s a number of times. I'll be happy to show you how it's done.

Rzeppa
02-21-2008, 06:05 PM
As far as what will be allowed, I have been talking with a few people who have warned me about allowing projects that are too involved. Of course it will ultimately be up to the shop owner, but I would feel better not allowing a full front axle service or even a Lockright install, mostly because the front axle service is a full day job and it's messy, and the Lockright install may run into unforeseen issues that would make it take longer than the standard 2-hour job it could be. This isn't really to get every little thing done on your truck that you can before Moab, you have a garage for that. It's about doing tune-up type stuff (with front (and rear full float) wheel bearing packing allowed), maybe having a barbecue, hanging out with friends from the club to do some light wrenching/gawking/bsing and NOT TO GET ON THE BAD SIDE OF SHOP OWNERS! Also if there is a problem that's being chased that it would be helpful to have a few extra eyes on, that is also what this is for. And for the 80 series guys, to show off your mods :p:

Sorry I'm having to put my foot down a little, but since this is the first one we've done in a while I don't want us to get in too far over our heads.

I've done Lock Right installs in under an hour.

When I dove into my 71 at ORS, we discovered the growl and rear drum rubbing I was experiencing was worn carrier bearing in my rear diff. Mike and I rebuilt the diff in less than a half day's work, I had a full diff rebuild kit on hand so there was no problem there.

The rule of thumb is that whatever project you have in mind should take less than a half day. Thus, a normal front axle service easily falls into this category, however that doesn't include knuckle bearings, which can easily run a full day from drive-in to drive-out.

Again, I'll post up a full run-down once we're sure we have a shop lined up.

Romer
02-21-2008, 07:08 PM
Thanks for doing this Jeff and Matt


You guys setup the shop and any time in March or early April should work.

Inukshuk
02-22-2008, 12:46 AM
They are the same design as my HZJ75 was, and I've worked on the rears of FJZ80s a number of times. I'll be happy to show you how it's done.

Jeff - That would be great and fun. I recall you working on the HZJ75 at CM after shearing something on Poison Spider.

Red_Chili
02-22-2008, 08:43 AM
I can always do one side at a time. I just need to get the new Longfields in, the old ones are clicking and Bobby Long says that's bad. Not much leakage from the axle shaft seals - but I have the new space-age Marlin seals, so why not? I don't have much trouble with the knuckle bearings, I rarely find the shims need re-shimming. I need to reset my toe, too, gonna go 0* to 1/8" toe out.

subzali
02-22-2008, 08:45 AM
a normal front axle service easily falls into this category, however that doesn't include knuckle bearings, which can easily run a full day from drive-in to drive-out.


Okay, that makes more sense - doing the knuckle bearings does add significantly more time, especially if you have to clean up the housing etc.! :eek:

Again a lot of this will depend on the shop owner, so we'll see. Thanks for the input everybody, I'm excited about this! :thumb:

Red_Chili
02-22-2008, 09:12 AM
My four hour estimate for myself included knuckle bearings. The only difference is pounding out the races, and pounding in new ones. Then setting shims.

MDH33
02-22-2008, 10:20 AM
Will there be time to repack my knuckles and replace my front pinion seal and nut?

Red_Chili
02-22-2008, 10:22 AM
FWIW, you can reuse the nut and Locktite it on reassembly. Makes it easier to get the preload the same. Unless you forty fellers use spacers, then it's all good.

subzali
02-22-2008, 10:54 AM
Front pinion seal and nut - absolutely. 40s have shims (under the yoke) so you just crank it down and stake it.

subzali
02-25-2008, 01:38 PM
Okay, so this is coming together a little bit at a time. Going to try and get an answer beforehand from the shop what will be allowed and what won't be, but also going to have the leaders looking at their watches and making sure everything's going smoothly, which is not anything new for this event anyway.

Thinking of a Saturday early in April, will have to confirm with the shop, but maybe April 5? Does that sound like it might work for those interested in coming?

Mendocino
02-28-2008, 08:37 AM
I'm in for this day assuming I don't have to travel.

MDH33
02-28-2008, 09:27 AM
Thinking of a Saturday early in April, will have to confirm with the shop, but maybe April 5? Does that sound like it might work for those interested in coming?


Wife's birthday is April 5, so I guess I'll be doing this solo at home another day.

subzali
02-28-2008, 09:42 AM
We can do it the week before or after, I just wanted to throw a weekend out there to get people looking at their calendars. Nothing is set in stone yet, seeing as we may not have a First Aid Class since nobody is signing up, there may not be any interference with other events so we have a few free weekends to choose from.

Jacket
02-28-2008, 09:52 AM
Early April looks good for me right now.

So how exactly does this work? If you are a first timer, can you bring your own rig and get help as needed, or is it better to be an "assistant" for someone else's truck so that you can learn the ropes.

MDH33
02-28-2008, 10:08 AM
We can do it the week before or after, I just wanted to throw a weekend out there to get people looking at their calendars. Nothing is set in stone yet, seeing as we may not have a First Aid Class since nobody is signing up, there may not be any interference with other events so we have a few free weekends to choose from.

Okay, cool. Any day but April 5 I can make work. :thumb:

subzali
02-28-2008, 10:32 AM
This is a day to bring YOUR truck in to work on stuff while old-timers stand by ready to assist you. It is an opportunity to wrench with fellow gearheads, bs, have an opportunity to use a lift (first come first serve in most cases in the past) and a parts washer. In fact, you don't even need to have to or want to do anything on your truck - you can just come to hang out, check out other peoples rigs, watch as the more experienced work their way through more complex jobs, or just do a tuneup on your truck. Those who come are expected to provide their own tools, or if a specialty tool is needed try to secure one beforehand; the 54mm nut tool, for example, is owned by many people in the club and no doubt there will be more than enough present or you could borrow one from someone who can't make it that day. I don't know what other kinds of SSTs could be needed (80 series rear wheel bearings for example?), but if you have a need I'm sure someone in the club could fill in that need for the day.

Bottom line: if you have simple maintenance needed to be done on your truck - great, bring it in! If you don't - great, come anyway and hang out! :thumb:

I'm going to have signup sheets at the next meeting so that I can gauge what people will want to be doing and I can secure parts from our friendly local Toyota dealer, and then have an invoice at the WBPP for reimbursement.

RockRunner
02-28-2008, 10:52 AM
I called the Do It Yourself place and they can't help us out. They said that they would loose to much money.

I can do it on Saturdays as long as I am not traveling.

subzali
02-28-2008, 11:02 AM
What was that place called Tom? CIS? Thanks for chasing that up

(`._.[xtr3m3]._.)
03-07-2008, 11:41 AM
I am in. Early April would be great.

MDH33
03-07-2008, 12:30 PM
Hey Matt,

I forgot to catch you at the meeting about sign up sheets for this. I am still interested depending on the date. I need to repack my bearings, put in a new front pinion seal, and top off my diffs and trans/tc.

Crash
03-07-2008, 12:34 PM
Anyone that is planning on doing a front axle service at the WBPP or anytime soon, for that matter, should check out Marlin Crawler's inner axle seal: http://www.marlincrawler.com/htm/axles.htm
I installed a pair in December and they seem to be what the doctor ordered for long-term sealing action. This is the seal that fails causing soup in the front steering hub and grease all over the inner side of the tires. OEM are a good alternative and aftermarket, in most cases, should be avoided like the plague.

Red_Chili
03-07-2008, 12:46 PM
+1, that seal rocks. They are going in the front. Unfortunately, since my rear axle install would reverse them, they would not be holding oil in on the good side, but what was designed to be the outside.

Probably still work though.

Impossible to push them in too far, too. And, if your shafts are grooved, these touch the shaft in a slightly different location.

subzali
03-10-2008, 04:50 PM
Okay everybody, I think we have found what/where this is going to happen. After receiving around 10 "NO"s, I talked it over with Christo again today and we will be pleased to spend the 2008 Wheel Bearing Packing Party at Slee Off Road in Golden! Thank you Christo for helping us get this done! The day that will work the best for him is Saturday, April 5, so everybody look at your calendars and let's get a head count of who is in! I will need to be ordering parts soon, so please get back to me soon! Even if you're not sure if you can make it but you have something you need to do, order parts anyway because then they'll be there when you need them, whether or not you make it to the WBPP!

So here's the deal: Slee Off Road has two lifts, with enough floor space to fit an additional 2 or maybe 3 trucks, depending on what's being done. If it's nice weather then the workspace can be extended outside, but being that time of year we can't count on it until the day of.

Again I want to stress that this is a club wrenching event more than it is a "I need to get as much done on my truck in one day while I have access to a lift" event. I am loving the fact that Jeff, Steve, Bruce and others have stepped up offering help to the newer members, to help them figure out their rigs and to show the true spirit of Cruiser-headedness - no doubt they could be using the time to do some of this service stuff on their trucks as well! :thumb:

Romer
03-10-2008, 05:39 PM
Thanks Christo and Matt.

Inukshuk
03-10-2008, 11:58 PM
I really hope to make this work! Matt - do you have hours scheduled?

Thanks Christo!

corsair23
03-11-2008, 12:17 AM
Thanks Christo and Matt.

x2

Christo, is it safe to assume that you will be open is case some of use want to buy a few "knick knacks"? :D

sleeoffroad
03-19-2008, 03:08 PM
x2

Christo, is it safe to assume that you will be open is case some of use want to buy a few "knick knacks"? :D

Nothing is ever safe around here :D

I guess I could open the cash register :D

subzali
03-19-2008, 03:12 PM
To recap:

SUBJECT: 2008 Wheel Bearing Packing Party
LOCATION: Slee Off Road in Golden! Thank you Christo for helping us get this done!
DATE: Saturday, April 5
TIME: Don't have that nailed down yet, but probably get started at 8 or 9 AM. The jobs need to be done or close to done by 12:30 or 1:00, because food will have arrived by then and then CLEANUP begins so that we're out of there at a reasonable time in the afternoon.

So here's the deal: Slee Off Road has two lifts, with enough floor space to fit an additional 2 or maybe 3 trucks, depending on what's being done. If it's nice weather then the workspace can be extended outside, but being that time of year we can't count on it until the day of.

Again I want to stress that this is a club wrenching event more than it is a "I need to get as much done on my truck in one day while I have access to a lift" event. I am loving the fact that Jeff, Steve, Bruce and others have stepped up offering help to the newer members, to help them figure out their rigs and to show the true spirit of Cruiser-headedness - no doubt they could be using the time to do some of this service stuff on their trucks as well! :thumb:

I have been talking to participants via pm about what jobs are being planned, if I have missed you let me know and we'll figure it out. If you do not post in this thread or pm me then two things won't happen: 1) We won't order parts for you if you need them because 2) We won't know you're coming. We are going to be ordering parts soon, so if we don't have the jobs pretty much figured out then let me know!

We've got a good lineup so far, with full floater rear bearing packing happening, front bearing packing, and engine tuneup planned. We're pretty full, but if you want to come to watch/heckle/help or whatever then everyone is certainly welcome to!

For those who are coming: bring your tools and SST's, we need a timing light and vacuum gauge as well (please post if you're bringing it, I have two but would have to get them to somebody), drain pans and some kind of floor cover for the work you are doing would be nice - Christo will clean the floor beforehand so we want to make sure we leave it in the same or better condition! Just like when we're on the trail!

Rzeppa
03-22-2008, 07:46 PM
we need a timing light and vacuum gauge as well I have both; do we still need them?

subzali
03-23-2008, 09:37 AM
Yep, we will need them. Thanks Jeff!