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AxleIke
03-04-2008, 12:19 AM
The dilemma.

I have a fully disassembled mini transfer case sitting on my bench.

The last step is to remove the main shaft, which, according to Marlin and others, should be accomplished with a dead blow hammer, carefully and gently.

As you've guessed, no.

As is typical with all things old, this baby isn't budging with a 4lb sledge.

The issue is that the bearing that surrounds said main shaft is stuck nicely, as it likely should be, and that must come out with the main shaft, or so I'm lead to believe.

Any tricks or tips? I don't need the bearing any more, perhaps a long pipe against the bearing to drive it out?

And, if not, anyone in North denver/Louisville/Lafayette have a press?

powderpig
03-04-2008, 06:20 AM
I have Kevin's press at my house in the foothills of boulder if you do not find anything else closer to you. Have you tried a little heat on the case to see it the expansion of the aluminum will release the bearing? Home phone is 303-665-1101

lfd270ben
03-04-2008, 07:29 AM
10 ton press in louisville just pm me your number

leiniesred
03-04-2008, 09:36 AM
12 ton in aurora.

I don't remember ever having to use a press to take a t-case apart. You might be missing a bearing retainer or snap ring somewhere.

AxleIke
03-04-2008, 10:23 AM
Thats what i thought, missing a bearing retainer. But, I've gone round and round the thing, and don't see anything missing. Also gone back over the directions about 5 times, and I didn't miss any steps.

For those who have presses, do you also have pipes, or other hollow impliments to press over about an 11 inch shaft? I may just bring it up and be done with it, as I also need to press off the 2.28 gear, and i have a clamshell for it.

Crash
03-04-2008, 10:38 AM
20 ton (I win!) here in NW Denver near Sloan Lake. Be glad to help if I can.
Steve

Thats what i thought, missing a bearing retainer. But, I've gone round and round the thing, and don't see anything missing. Also gone back over the directions about 5 times, and I didn't miss any steps.

For those who have presses, do you also have pipes, or other hollow impliments to press over about an 11 inch shaft? I may just bring it up and be done with it, as I also need to press off the 2.28 gear, and i have a clamshell for it.

Uncle Ben
03-04-2008, 03:11 PM
20 ton (I win!) here in NW Denver near Sloan Lake. Be glad to help if I can.
Steve

Sorry to burst your bubble sir! Robbie didn't post the specs on mine! :lmao: :p:

Crash
03-04-2008, 03:24 PM
And neither did you, so, on published spec terms, I still win!! Yay me!
:hill:

Sorry to burst your bubble sir! Robbie didn't post the specs on mine! :lmao: :p:

AxleIke
03-04-2008, 03:51 PM
Going over to Robbies tonight unless something changes.

Thank you to all who offered!!!

Hes just closest to me.

Uncle Ben
03-04-2008, 04:07 PM
And neither did you, so, on published spec terms, I still win!! Yay me!
:hill:

OK you win! :rolleyes: ;)

powderpig
03-04-2008, 04:26 PM
Uncle Ben's press is a 60 ton press, Maybe he wins!

AxleIke
03-05-2008, 12:07 AM
All better.

I owe a HUGE thanks to Robbie for graciously freezing his tail off helping me do this, while missing dinner with the family.

Thank you so much sir, I owe you huge. Next NSTBC that we are both at, your meal is on me.


:risingsun


I spent the rest of the evening cleaning the VERY few parts I actually needed from this mess. Struck me as a little funny, but then again, I'd just spent 3 hours around a tub of parts cleaner.

Parts you need

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c263/AxleIke/IMG_2703.jpg

Parts you don't

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c263/AxleIke/IMG_2704.jpg

Again, thank you Robbie.

AxleIke
03-05-2008, 12:08 AM
Oh, and UB's press is impressive to say the least. I'm fairly sure he wins.

powderpig
03-05-2008, 06:07 AM
Yes I did miss a little family time, but in some ways this is more fun. This looks like a fun project and well thought out.
I have a suit(cold weather suit, not a tux) and did not freeze, but I was wondering if you brought enough cloths. Maybe next time it will be inside a comfortable enclosed area that is heated.
UB press makes short work of stuff, When he wants it back I will just have to invest in something similar.
Good luck with the rest of the project AxleIke.

AxleIke
03-05-2008, 08:48 AM
The only thing that was cold was my hands, and I haven't figured out a way to work with small parts and wear heavy gloves yet. I think my attire was decieving. I was wearing a long john shirt, a long sleeved shirt, and a sweatshirt, and then my down coat, as well as wool socks, and long john pants under my carharts. I was nice and warm, excepting the old hands.

Thanks again!

Red_Chili
03-05-2008, 08:58 AM
Hey Isaac, save that output shaft. Not often, but it is a failure point.
Depending on condition, the input bearing is not terribly expensive to replace at this point and can save some heartache later.

AxleIke
03-05-2008, 01:38 PM
Thanks Bill. I will look at that bearing, and save the shaft.

What about the other bearing? I'm nervous about both, but is the other one only used in low range, or do they both spin regardless?

The case wasn't in the best of shape. Its all clean now, but it looks like it saw some outside time. The internals are all good, but those two outter bearing were full of old grease and dirt. I've cleaned them REALLY well, but perhaps a replacement is in order.

Red_Chili
03-05-2008, 02:51 PM
They both spin full time. Only the output speeds change depending on whether the straight-through mesh is engaged, or the low range mesh, to the shaft.
Cheap insurance to replace them! Especially since the dirt problem you describe.

AxleIke
03-05-2008, 06:00 PM
WHEW. 200 bucks to get em both. Yikes. Gonna have to look at them real hard. We'll see.

Red_Chili
03-05-2008, 09:57 PM
Non-Toyota, but same brand, sourced through alternate suppliers. NSK/Koyo, as long as it says that, you are happy.

AxleIke
03-06-2008, 01:08 AM
Ah. Will do!

Thanks.

powderpig
03-06-2008, 06:51 AM
You could try whisler bearing on Hyw 2 in denver. 303-377-3444 You will need to give them the bearing number(full). It may be cheaper source. Kevin's supplier(if you know what I mean).

AxleIke
03-06-2008, 10:09 AM
Awesome! Thanks Robbie.

Although, forgive a noob question, but where do I find the number? Stamped on the bearing?

Uncle Ben
03-06-2008, 10:27 AM
Awesome! Thanks Robbie.

Although, forgive a noob question, but where do I find the number? Stamped on the bearing?

It will be stamped onto the face of the race.

Red_Chili
03-06-2008, 10:51 AM
Give 'em the measurements too for good measure.

Cresso
03-06-2008, 11:05 AM
Is this part of an Orion upgrade?

Red_Chili
03-06-2008, 11:09 AM
Minitruck, d00d. Minitruck.
Marlin Ultimate Crawler.

AxleIke
03-06-2008, 11:35 AM
Okay. I'll get it tonight, give them a call tomorrow.

Thanks guys!!!!!

Cresso
03-06-2008, 01:19 PM
Minitruck, d00d. Minitruck.
Marlin Ultimate Crawler.

Woops. duh. :o

Thanks

AxleIke
03-07-2008, 11:56 AM
Whisler Bearing rocks.

They had the expensive bearing for 25 bucks

Jerry up at Boulder Toy hooked me up on the other one.

Good deal, and cheap insurance. Should have em both sometime next week, in time for install the following weekend.

AxleIke
03-16-2008, 11:41 PM
Thanks all for your advice, and thanks robbie for your aid.

All in over the weekend. Not too many pictures as I had a lot to do, but got most of it done. Taking the drive shafts in tomorrow to get modified and re tubed with some thicker stuff.

Heres some pics.

This is my new crossmember. I shouldn't be able to bend this one. the old skid was 3/16". This is 3/8". My back is noticing the difference pretty acutely right about now.

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c263/AxleIke/IMG_2711.jpg
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c263/AxleIke/IMG_2710.jpg
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c263/AxleIke/IMG_2709.jpg

The beast finally put together.

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c263/AxleIke/IMG_2716.jpg

No install pics. It involved a lot of sweating, grunting, and more than a few banged knuckles.

Installed:

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c263/AxleIke/IMG_2726.jpg

Skid

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c263/AxleIke/IMG_2729.jpg

And underneath. One of those things looks new I believe!

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c263/AxleIke/IMG_2733.jpg

Tested it out. With no oil in the cases, no noise, and no issues. Double low is funny.

Now, I will fab up a cover for the second hole, and build a new fiber glass center console. Found a sweet website with instructions. Pretty simple.

Thanks again!!!!

:risingsun

Hulk
03-16-2008, 11:49 PM
Sweet skid plate!!!!!!!

Rezarf
03-17-2008, 10:07 AM
WOW!

I am going to strap myself to your rig and let you crawl me up obsticles as well! :D

Cool bud, now I know where you've been :D

AxleIke
03-19-2008, 12:25 AM
Nothing like a set back eh?

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c263/AxleIke/IMG_2750.jpg

Possible torn meniscus in my right knee. I don't recommend it.

Still was able to do a few things while crutching around the garage.

Got my cover plate built and installed.

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c263/AxleIke/IMG_2735.jpg

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c263/AxleIke/IMG_2736.jpg

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c263/AxleIke/IMG_2738.jpg

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c263/AxleIke/IMG_2743.jpg

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c263/AxleIke/IMG_2745.jpg

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c263/AxleIke/IMG_2742.jpg

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c263/AxleIke/IMG_2746.jpg

I will be painting the silver part of the shift knobs silver again, to cover the current markings, and then getting my brother, who is quite an artist, to draw on my new shift patterns, then cover with a clear coat. I like the factory knobs a lot better than the crappy marlin ones.

AxleIke
03-20-2008, 12:30 AM
Driveshafts in all their .120 goodness. Now they are as thick as my sliders.

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c263/AxleIke/IMG_2751.jpg

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c263/AxleIke/IMG_2752.jpg

and the thing in action.

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c263/AxleIke/th_MVI_2755.jpg (http://s29.photobucket.com/albums/c263/AxleIke/?action=view&current=MVI_2755.flv)

Shark Bait
03-20-2008, 12:38 AM
Nice work. Where'd you get your shafts?

Rezarf
03-20-2008, 09:20 AM
LOVE IT! Looks great bud :thumb:

AxleIke
03-20-2008, 09:20 AM
Nice work. Where'd you get your shafts?

They are my old shafts. I took them into a guy here in Boulder, and he retubed them for me. The front had to be retubed anyway as it got 7" longer, and I had him do the rear just for grins.

I figure it can't hurt.

Uncle Ben
03-20-2008, 09:39 AM
They are my old shafts. I took them into a guy here in Boulder, and he retubed them for me. The front had to be retubed anyway as it got 7" longer, and I had him do the rear just for grins.

I figure it can't hurt.


Would that be Ron at Driveline Service?

AxleIke
03-20-2008, 10:52 AM
yup.

Uncle Ben
03-20-2008, 11:15 AM
yup.


He's awesome!

AxleIke
03-20-2008, 12:25 PM
Yeah, he was great, and he also did me good on the price. 230 for complete retube of both shafts, and balanced.

Ran it on the road last night, and definetly have the gear chatter that was mentioned. However, Its only noticeable with the radio off, windows up, and above 40 mph. I NEVER drive without the radio, so I'm pretty happy.

Drivelines are both smooth at 75.

And its pretty neat to climb up light posts in parking lots!

Red_Chili
03-20-2008, 12:52 PM
Hey, if you want to take a look at what I ended up with on the Chili for a center console, give a gander sometime. It turned out to be the easiest center console solution (my driveline is 3"+ forward, so there were not as many options for me). It is my third design, so I suppose I worked the bugs out. :D

Plasma rules when cutting sheet steel, you are welcome to come over if you need.

AxleIke
03-20-2008, 01:30 PM
Thanks Bill!

I'm actually going to try to build one using the tricks that the tuner kids use to build sub boxes.

However, if that doesn't work out, I'll be over to see your stuff for sure.

Heres an example. Obviously, mine would be different.


http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj277/TheQDog/100_0041.jpg

http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj277/TheQDog/100_0044.jpg

http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj277/TheQDog/100_0052.jpg

http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj277/TheQDog/100_0058.jpg

http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj277/TheQDog/100_0087.jpg

http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj277/TheQDog/100_0100.jpg

http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj277/TheQDog/101_0110.jpg

Red_Chili
03-20-2008, 01:59 PM
Holy cow, that's slick.

AxleIke
03-20-2008, 02:10 PM
Aparantly not hard either. Just takes patience and sanding.

Essentially, you build the frame, then stretch fabric (usually felt) over it. Staple down the felt. Coat it in fiberglass resin, then fiber glass. Sand until your desired texture is achieved.

Mostly done for custom trunk sub enclosures for show cars.