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Uncle Ben
06-30-2008, 10:02 AM
Yes, I am stirring the pot but I gotta get this thread going....
Who, on the Rubithon trip, is happy they had 2M? ;)

60wag
06-30-2008, 10:09 AM
The HT I borrowed from Tim was great. I was able to listen in on lots of trail chat while I was walking the trail.

Romer
06-30-2008, 10:11 AM
I am. I was even talking with Matt after we split up on the way home and we must have been 2- to 50 miles apart. The banter on the radio on the way there was fun and crystal clear and there were some situations we were in that the CBs just wouldn't have worked

Hulk
06-30-2008, 10:22 AM
2M makes everything better. At one point, we were hitting Dave Armbruster all the way across Lake Tahoe and over the mountains.

Shark Bait
06-30-2008, 10:24 AM
It was great. Got me pretty quick response on the trail when I broke. I wasn't caravaning out or back with anyone so it was less useful on the road. But I'm still glad I have it.

subzali
06-30-2008, 10:30 AM
I heard someone got hurt and 2m was used to bring in the rescue crew - true?

DaveInDenver
06-30-2008, 10:37 AM
I heard someone got hurt and 2m was used to bring in the rescue crew - true?
True, Uncle Ben called it in I believe, too.

Nakman and I were driving between Reno and Carson City when I heard the in and out signal of Matt. Had both Hulk and I stopped at whatever locations were at that moment, we'd have been talking simplex from highway 389 to probably Robb's Valley Resort through the hills. That was across Lake Tahoe, through the eastern foothills and into the Rubicon River valley up there. Pretty cool. But as it was we were both moving the contact didn't hold out.

Tch2fly
06-30-2008, 10:42 AM
I enjoyed the HT I borrowed from Jeff :thumb: more than enough motivation to get off my butt and get my lic

nakman
06-30-2008, 11:03 AM
It's almost silly to compare the two anymore.. few stories:

I ran into :robbie: one morning who was about to run a mile or so back to camp to catch up with NorCal to get his jacket back.. I handed him the HT and in 5 minutes his jacket was in one of our trucks, no running required. We then proceeded to monitor (and talk to) all of those guys going up Cadillac Hill while we were at breakfast.

Then on the way home still west of Vail we spoke with Ricardo via the Colo. Connection, which was nice to hear a familiar and friendly voice still a couple hours from home. The best part of the road trip is just talking about anything, for hours on end, with the other trucks in the caravan. Keeps you awake if nothing else, and the sound quality is great so it doesn't wear you out like a CB would.

Uncle Ben
06-30-2008, 11:33 AM
I heard someone got hurt and 2m was used to bring in the rescue crew - true?

True! I was walking back from Registration and this older gentleman was frantically working his way north borrowing CB's trying to reach the med crews at the far north side of the springs. The guy was besides himself as he was not able to get help. I heard his panic and asked if I could help. He told me there was a young girl in the water with a badly broken leg and he needed med help. He had the sheet of med info with him so I whipped out my HT from my back pocket, punched in the 2m freq listed, hailed med emergency along with my call sign. I immediately reached one of the EMT's and handed the HT to the guy in need. The information and locations were shared and he handed it back to me, I cleared my station by my call sign and within only a couple minutes we could hear vehicles hauling butt up the road. CB-0 Ham scored huge!

While we were working our way to Buck Island the first night I was chatting with Robbie several times and knew exactly where they were with the FJC group. Same for Thursday when we headed into the Springs. I hailed Robbie later and found he was finally working the FJC's down Big Sluce so several of us hiked to the bridge and welcomed them to camp.

When Sharkbait broke on Caddy the rest of us cleared the trail by getting everyone ahead of Chris up to Observation Point. Chris wanted some of my tools so Root and I grabbed stuff and started hiking back down. Half way in between where we parked and where Chris was broke, Chris pinged us and let us know he was getting fixed and we didn't need to come all the way down. During this whole escapade the folks (including Robbie) that were behind us waiting to leave knew the status because of a couple with 2m that were in the loop of communication.

One note I have to make is since our club is now Ham equipped the CB's in several rigs are either not working well or in need of maintainance. This is a problem as for example on Caddy Hill, Bruce Schuck our assigned leader, was out of the loop and could not communicate with most of our group. I handed him my HT so he could get info that was being passed first hand but like I have said all along CB are and will be the main mode of trail communication for the masses and being elitist and relying only on Ham will handicap!

subzali
06-30-2008, 12:43 PM
Agreed. Doing wheeling trips this weekend, I was 1 of 1 (out of 8 or so) with ham on one trip and 1 of 2 (out of 4) with ham on the other. There are so many other groups that you could come across, Jeeps, individuals, small groups of friends, that either have family radios or CBs that I still find my CB as my primary use radio. Only during Cruise Moab did I use my Ham more than the CB, and that was only on one or two days. Sounds like Ham is catching on with yotatech.com folks a bit, but I've heard nary a word from other groups I've run with recently. There's still tons of people who don't have a radio PERIOD!

Romer
06-30-2008, 12:57 PM
One note I have to make is since our club is now Ham equipped the CB's in several rigs are either not working well or in need of maintainance. This is a problem as for example on Caddy Hill, Bruce Schuck our assigned leader, was out of the loop and could not communicate with most of our group. I handed him my HT so he could get info that was being passed first hand but like I have said all along CB are and will be the main mode of trail communication for the masses and being elitist and relying only on Ham will handicap!

I had a problem with my CB on Cadillac hill. Turns out I had accidently switched it to PA mode (no PA speaker) so I thought it was dead. :doh: That was operator error not checking configuration before the trail run starts. Figured it out after about 10 minutes when I validated people were talking on the CB when asking over the 2m.

Groucho
06-30-2008, 04:17 PM
One note I have to make is since our club is now Ham equipped the CB's in several rigs are either not working well or in need of maintainance. This is a problem as for example on Caddy Hill, Bruce Schuck our assigned leader, was out of the loop and could not communicate with most of our group. I handed him my HT so he could get info that was being passed first hand but like I have said all along CB are and will be the main mode of trail communication for the masses and being elitist and relying only on Ham will handicap!

In terms of usefullness, reliability, and operator understanding it would seem that Amateur Radio definitely makes an impact in the communication arena. The challenge I see when reading this thread is not that we need to get off of our HAM high-horse, but rather adapt to more of an Amateur Radio mentality of train, educate, and involve. By doing these things and doing them for the scope of trail communications instead of focusing on HAM as the only method will net the most benefits for everyone.

One thing I will point out. After so many years doing radio communications activities, and helping whenever I felt I could, I believe that there is one thing that separates the do's versus the don'ts. HAM radio insists that some sort of elementary understanding of the equipment and functionality be acquired before operation. It also makes aware that there are folks who will be whistle blowers on those who do not operate accordingly. Most folks who have problems with their rigs (CB's in the case mentioned by UB), have sort of a "warm water" approach to their communications equipment. They are not driven to be successful at their communications. For example, at CM2008 I saw someone who I gave several pointers to about maximizing their CB's signal. One of which was to not coil up the coax. This individual had not heeded any advice and had a coil of coax looped around the base of the antenna, so the coax just sat on the roof. Did their CB work? Probably. Would it be what I want to rely on as a trail leader in desparate need of urgent help? Not on your life.

Every time there is a question about radio communications if I can be of some help, I will. I will probably do it until I am blue in the face, even though my help might go on deaf ears. That is what we all need to do. Keep trying to educate, train and involve. If CB is going to continue to be the mainstay of avid outdoor folks, then it is in our best interest to do so. Maybe it will help improve radio communications across the board. We'll never get rid of the bad apples. But maybe we can help those who want to improve get better.

ttubb
07-01-2008, 08:29 AM
Every time there is a question about radio communications if I can be of some help, I will. I will probably do it until I am blue in the face, even though my help might go on deaf ears. That is what we all need to do. Keep trying to educate, train and involve. If CB is going to continue to be the mainstay of avid outdoor folks, then it is in our best interest to do so. Maybe it will help improve radio communications across the board. We'll never get rid of the bad apples. But maybe we can help those who want to improve get better.

It is because of this very professional group that I have purchased a 2m radio, studied for my test and am taking it on July 5th. Thanks for keeping the standards high! Terry :thumb:

Hulk
07-01-2008, 09:34 AM
It is because of this very professional group that I have purchased a 2m radio, studied for my test and am taking it on July 5th. Thanks for keeping the standards high! Terry :thumb:

Good luck!