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RicardoJM
07-02-2008, 12:57 AM
Does anyone going to the meeting today have the SST referred to in this post (http://www.birfield.com/~morgan//tech/axle/part3.html). I don't have one and could use it to separate the birfields from the axles?

subzali
07-02-2008, 06:11 AM
You mean the 1 1/2" sch. 40 pipe? Hardware store man :D

RicardoJM
07-02-2008, 07:07 AM
You mean the 1 1/2" sch. 40 pipe? Hardware store man :D

A new hardware store unit would be missing the cruiser karma that is so vital for getting that nice clean separation of the parts. ;)

Crash
07-02-2008, 08:14 AM
You need one for yourself, Ricardo, and you will be building the tool's own karma as soon as you start using it!

subzali
07-02-2008, 08:28 AM
There's a pipe in a hardware store, with Cruiser Karma already imparted to it, just waiting for the guy with the goatee to come walking down the aisle, pick it up, look it over for length, continuity, and sheen, and take it home with him. This piece of pipe was predisposed for this service by the Cruiser gods, and is just waiting, waiting, watching all others pass by, knowing that a special purpose was intended for it. When someone else picks it up thinking they have need of it, they must put it down, never realizing the special need, always thinking there is some other reason why they do not need to remove this piece of hardware from the store today. And still the pipe waits, knowingly.

You have to have faith bro, you have to enter the karma :D It's out there, it's waiting for you. It knows you're coming :D

4RunrFTW
07-02-2008, 09:18 AM
And the best part is that if you get a nice length of schedule 80 gas pipe, it makes a great cheater bar for leverage. Which will impart even more cruiser karma. :D

wesintl
07-02-2008, 09:23 AM
I don't have one, I always use my jack handle for a cheater. the couple times I borrowed the sst. You could always stop over at hinton and see if they have any scrap or buy a piece. There are other ways to seperate but none work near as well as the sched 40 pipe.

subzali
07-02-2008, 09:37 AM
Yeah, don't waste your time with the vise/drift. I wore myself out for about 45 minutes thinking I was going to hurt the birfield by using the pipe, so I was beating the cage with the drift and a small sledge. Never even got the stupid thing to budge. 30 seconds with the pipe and bang! done.

Crash
07-02-2008, 10:08 AM
Yeah, don't waste your time with the vise/drift. I wore myself out for about 45 minutes thinking I was going to hurt the birfield by using the pipe, so I was beating the cage with the drift and a small sledge. Never even got the stupid thing to budge. 30 seconds with the pipe and bang! done.


You must learn how to properly apply the pipe to safely and quickly separate the birf from the axle. Dean Baranski recently called me to tell of a birf that just didn't want to separate even after a couple of hours of piping, brass hammering and lots of swearing and sweating. He was using the pipe but, it turned out, he was placing the pipe on the ground and then slamming the birf and axle up and down into the stationary pipe. The first set came apart easily with this method but the second just wasn't budging. When I told him to place the unit in the pipe and then slam the entire mess down on solid ground a light went off in his voice and he hung up the phone to give it a try. Called me back about two minutes later to say a couple of good whacks was all it took to get the parts unparted. You just have to be smarter than the pipe!
Whack on, Ricardo!! :thumb:

Red_Chili
07-02-2008, 11:28 AM
FWIW, I use copper pipe. Impossible to damage the steel.

Doesn't make a good cheater bar though... :D

nakman
07-02-2008, 12:18 PM
I use the 1 1/2" PVC, which doubles as an inner axle seal install tool.

subzali
07-02-2008, 12:29 PM
that's a long tube to use to install an inner axle seal! :eek:

Red_Chili
07-02-2008, 12:32 PM
Nakman puts his where a Dana has it.







:lmao:

nakman
07-02-2008, 01:42 PM
Huh? you guys lost me, it's only 12" long... :confused:

subzali
07-02-2008, 01:44 PM
How do you separate your long side axle from the birf then? Are you doing it like the link that Ricardo posted, only with PVC instead of steel pipe? :confused: If so then your axle shaft hits the ground long before the plastic does, hence rendering that method worthless with a 12" piece of pipe...

nakman
07-02-2008, 02:03 PM
How do you separate your long side axle from the birf then? Are you doing it like the link that Ricardo posted, only with PVC instead of steel pipe? :confused: If so then your axle shaft hits the ground long before the plastic does, hence rendering that method worthless with a 12" piece of pipe...

sorry, didn't read the link (edit: and I can't see birfield.com from work, apparently). At home, I put it in the vice. On the trail, I'd slam it against the edge of the bumper, duct tape a rag or an extra glove over the end of the axle to protect it when it hits the ground.

subzali
07-02-2008, 02:11 PM
Now I really don't get it. SOP for a lot of people is to take a 1 1/2" sch. 40 pipe, longer than the long side axle, stuff the end with a rag, put a rag over the top edge, slide the axle inside so the birf rests on top of the pipe, lift up the whole thing and slam it down on the ground. The longside pops off pretty quick due to the mass of the axle but the short side sometimes takes some persuading.

What the FSM recommends is clamping the axle in a vice and taking a drift and pounding it against the cage of the birf to pop it off the axle shaft. I found this to be very difficult (impossible for me), less appealing, and in my view, potentially more chance for damage than the pipe method.

I'm having trouble seeing how you are using a 12" piece of PVC and a vice to get 'er done...or slamming against the edge of a bumper...:eek:

RicardoJM
07-02-2008, 02:24 PM
There's a pipe in a hardware store, with Cruiser Karma already imparted to it, just waiting for the guy with the goatee to come walking down the aisle, pick it up, look it over for length, continuity, and sheen, and take it home with him. This piece of pipe was predisposed for this service by the Cruiser gods, and is just waiting, waiting, watching all others pass by, knowing that a special purpose was intended for it. When someone else picks it up thinking they have need of it, they must put it down, never realizing the special need, always thinking there is some other reason why they do not need to remove this piece of hardware from the store today. And still the pipe waits, knowingly.

You have to have faith bro, you have to enter the karma :D It's out there, it's waiting for you. It knows you're coming :D

Inspired by the prophecy of finding the special pipe destined to be my personal SST and spurred on by this thread I headed out on the quest. In short order I found myself in the hot yard of Atlas/Alititude Steel not the air conditioned hardware store. For it is here that long ago the one with fondness for Red Chili stated in response to the inquiry "where to get steel U-channel?" (http://www.risingsun4x4club.org/forum2/showthread.php?t=2038&highlight=altitude+steel) that this location "has a good selection at a fair price". Which I understood from my interpretation of the ancient scroll to be - goatee guy get off your duff, the place is 3 blocks from the office and your karma infused pipe is probably sitting in their scrap pile right now.

Sure enough a search of the scrap pile resulted in finding a candidate pipe. The pipe was heavily oxidized hiding its shine and luster. I wondered, could this be it? Is this the pipe the cruiser gods had put in place just for me? If only I could get a sign..

Then it happened, after handling the pipe my hands were covered in orange red dust:bowdown:. Orange red dust. Orange red dust on the hands usually accompanies any working session with old FJ40s and truly was the sign I was looking for to tell me I had found the pipe Subzali indicated was out there waiting for me. :thumb:

A quick cut of the saw to remove the portion of pipe that was dented, and a $5 donation to the cash box temple and I now have my SST. :hill:

subzali
07-02-2008, 02:35 PM
What is that I doth hear? The rumble of drums and the tinkling of chicken bones?

Excellent, excellent.

:bowdown: :D

DaveInDenver
07-02-2008, 02:37 PM
See Ricardo, it was out there. Jack London said "You can't wait for inspiration. You have to go after it with a club." Indeed, we all learn daily I guess.

nakman
07-02-2008, 03:11 PM
Now I really don't get it.....

I guess we need to just go wheeling somewhere you can break a birfield, and I'll show ya. :D

subzali
07-02-2008, 03:15 PM
Yeah I know, I'm a web wheeler :D

farnhamstj
07-03-2008, 09:39 PM
Landcruisers haven't had birfields for 10 years. You guys are old school.